belmarniss and hagan do stuff
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"I think it's that they start having opinions and getting excited and interacting."

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"Well, you can come back and check that out. When you're sixth circle or whatever."

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"I think she'll be cute once she can have opinions!"

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"They have opinions really early! Mostly about whether you should feed them grapes and whether you should hold them, but opinions are a very early baby development."

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"I mean slightly more interesting and coherently expressed opinions. I can't tell if she wants grapes."

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"I wonder if it's sort of self-reinforcing, they're not interesting so you can't tell what they're communicating so they're not interesting..."

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"Maybe? I think it'd be less of a species universal if it were simple to interrupt the feedback loop though."

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"I'm sure someone tried meditating on the merits of babies at least once in surface elves's thousands-of-years-long population decline."

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"We met a surface elf at the Worldwound who figures he can design babycare golems, save the elves. I hope he's wrong, though, because he was a jerk and I bet his golems would be jerks too."

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"They'd have to be configurable to work at all though!"

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"Well, I hope someone else figures it out first, who isn't a jerk."

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"And then Osirion can sell 'em to Shazeuni drow - how is that going?"

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"Mostly all right. Kicked off a debate about the curfews, because the drow prefer to shop at night, so more stores are staying open, so it's more inconvenient that women can't go out."

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"Especially since the drow who want to shop are themselves going to be mostly women, though I guess they could be sending errandboys."

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"They mostly get the exception for casters but at some point it's awkward having a rule with that many exceptions, you know. Better to just stop it."

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"Well, I'm glad that's working out."

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