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variously evil!Elves meet Elspeth
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He hates the Sun.

She tried arguing, once, that the Sun wasn't actually a Noldorin invention, that it rose after the Noldor'd left, that the reasons he had to hate the Noldor were not reasons to hate the Sun. That'd been years ago. After she'd noticed that he hated being argued with, before she'd realized that provoking him was not actually a good idea.

 

He hates the Sun and so the forest is sorcerously shrouded in darkness, but sometimes if she's sweet enough with him she can get permission to ride, and she can find spots where he was careless with his sorcery and she can blink longingly at things she thinks are sunbeams. 

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"- yeep!" says a voice.

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She stops the horse at once. She looks around. 

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The owner of the voice is very warm and short and she's got an ankle-length braid of hair that shines just barely copper in the dim light and her clothes are bizarre. She gets to her feet with a curiously perfect smoothness.

She maintains what appears to be no private thoughts nor concept thereof; she fairly blazes with presence and self-advertisement. Aredhel can within a moment conclude her name (Elspeth) and surprise and the fact that they won't have a shared language and that Elspeth has noticed her and the horse but is trying ways to contact her family before addressing that. The long-distance telepathy doesn't work and the technological device won't work and now she's trying to signal the precog via circuitous route. And her wolf is going to be frantic.

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Aredhel decides she likes anyone whose first thoughts on landing somewhere exceptionally far from home are that their wolf will be frantic. Also likes her in general. Is she a kid? She has to be, or a race of very small people - not any race Aredhel's seen, not running that body temperature -

- she should probably stop reading her if she just doesn't know how to keep her thoughts private -

Hi, she says. Aredhel, technically queen of Nan Elmoth whoopdie-fucking-doo, what are you doing here?

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Elspeth actually gives off the impression of being old, but in a bizarre sideways way, as though she can't lay claim all the years in her head.

- hello, she says. Elspeth Cullen technically princess of the Golden Empire, I seem to have had a magical accident.

It's not osanwë. She's doing something else.

She's telling the truth.

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Weird.

 

Okay.

Does accident mean you can't go back? Because this is a shitty place for you to be and I can't recommend anywhere else in the world either.

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The people whose magic produced the interaction that sent me here aren't present. They may be trying to reproduce it to get me back but I don't know how long to expect that to take if it's less than ten seconds, which apparently it is.

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Great. I probably can't keep your existence from coming to the attention of my husband, and he's going to be intrigued, and then we're going to have a problem. The forest's enchanted to be impossible to leave but I think I know a way around that but I have a baby at home, I can't leave him and I can't get him out of the fortress. I can probably kill my husband but then there'll just be a civil war and my son'll be of great interest to everyone fighting in it. What've you got?

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I don't know how I stack up physically against your species, you don't smell the same as anything we've got at home. I can incapacitate most people nonlethally or technically-nonlethally at range for hours, once per target unless I get the technically-nonlethal result, that varies by species too. I can unreliably produce sourceless truth but I've got nothing right now. What's the problem if your husband notices me?

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He'll take you prisoner. He'll be friendly about it for as long as you play along. I'm expecting we're disable-able genuinely nonlethally from what you're communicating of the relevant species difference - we're immortal and mostly thousands of years old - and either way a couple hours would be enough time to correct the nonlethalness.

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Being thousands of years old will probably help but memory crispness is probably also a factor. I am pretty hard to hold prisoner by the standards of my world but the magically inescapable forest may be a problem.

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We don't have perfect memories, no. Very good, not perfect. I am getting the impression you're physically stronger than us, which will help a lot, but he has magic. 

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What does it do besides make inescapable forests?

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Confuse you about the passage of time, mean that you don't move in the ways you intend to, make things that can go badly in fact go badly. 

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I may be difficult to confuse about the passage of time. No special defense against the other two.

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Okay. You can also just hope he's not particularly interested. I can - try - on that front.

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Why can't you get your son out of the fortress?

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I mean, shitty thing to do, I'd stab my husband in his sleep but running away with his child is pretty awful - and if I were willing to do it anyway there are a lot of people who'd stop us and then he'd send an army after us and I know people who'd protect me but, ah, not for free, and there's a chance the King'd take it as an excuse to invade Nan Elmoth - to avenge me, you know - 

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Child custody seems like a greater entitlement than not being stabbed in one's sleep.

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Really? Not here, there are people who murder their enemies rather unflinchingly who'd still not take their children as hostages. 

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I'm not saying I don't know anybody who makes a great parent who wouldn't have been perfectly reasonable to kill under certain circumstances but I was not getting a 'great parent' impression.

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He mostly doesn't bother the baby. He doesn't want to name him until he's twelve.

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This doesn't improve my assessment. You'd know better than I would, of course.

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I don't exactly have lots of fantastic options here. Blasting the city and running might end up being more appealing than going home and hoping he can't be bothered to find you, but it's not going to be good.

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No way to convince relevant parties not to start a war for you?

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I'd be the pretext, not the reason. And none come to mind.

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Okay, is there a way to win it quick and clean and with a stable endpoint?

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I like the way you think.

 

Uh, if we kill the right people in the fortress on the way out and then I go to the King and offer to give him whatever public statements and whatever opening he wants if he lets my brother conduct the sack of the city it'll be as clean as you can get.

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How clean is that? I'm assuming my mother's usurpation was probably exemplary even compared to other planets' histories of warfare.

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How many people died? The King actually only killed ten, taking power, but two of them were my parents so I am not inclined to be too impressed with his restraint. My brother'll take the city cleanly, in the sense that no one who isn't holding a weapon will die, but I don't know how much people will want to fight back.

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Fewer than ten in the initial sweep, a few more than that in enforcing unpopular laws. Why are these people waiting for a pretext to go to war in the first place?

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My husband's country is technically a sort of protectorate of Doriath and the King can't afford a fight with them. Doriath won't help Nan Elmoth if they're invaded for my husband having kidnapped and forcibly married me, but if the King did it just because my husband's undercutting his relations with Belegost then they'd probably wade in.

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I might like to know more about the geopolitics here but I don't know how long we have before I'm spotted.

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Dunno either but I can turn around and go home and keep talking while you hide or whatever you want to try, the palace is only ten miles' ride from here.

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I don't have that projective range.

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Meaning the 'I am telling the Truth' thing won't be in effect? Because it's really useful and soothing but I can fill you in on geopolitics quite effectively without it. My range is hundreds of miles with people I know and you are - very knowable - so I bet I could reach you at almost that much already.

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My telling the Truth thing is in effect however I communicate except in writing but I can't use it as a form of communication in its own right that far away.

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I'm both reading and sending, though I've been trying not to read everything since I noticed you didn't seem to have private thoughts. 

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Oh, like her dad. That's fine, that doesn't bother Elspeth. Incidentally I'm a terrible repository for secrets and if mindreading is common here that makes me even worse at it than usual.

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Yeah, everyone can do it. The King likes asking oaths you're not keeping thoughts tucked away from him. I wasn't really thinking we'd be keeping a lot of secrets. 

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Wow, my mother would hate it here. Anyway, I can scurry up a tree and learn about geopolitics until we have a plan?

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Better than nothing. And your mother's smart. There's a lot to hate.

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Elspeth scurries up a tree very nimbly.

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Wow, wish I could do that.

 

She starts riding home.

Okay, big picture: the continent is called Beleriand. A few hundred years ago it was ruled by Thingol and Melian in Doriath. They were in the middle of wiping petty-Dwarves off the face of the planet and they don't have the best relations with regular Dwarves either but they're all right except for that. There were a bunch of minor communities only nominally Thingol's to the northeast and northwest of him, and the Laiquendi to the east and the Falathrim to the west. 

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Elspeth's with her so far. Wondering vaguely what the difference between petty and regular Dwarves is but assuming it's not relevant to the story.

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So the Enemy comes, sets up camp in the north, rallies all orcs everywhere to his banner, begins capturing and enslaving everyone. Wipes out most of the northwestern communities and the entire east, has the Falas in bad straits, Doriath's holding on because they have powerful magic. 

Now there's the Noldor. We lived in Valinor, which is the continent just over. Before the Enemy arrived here he destroyed the Trees so nothing could grow in Valinor anymore, killed the old King, sparked a civil war, and took some powerful magic weapons. That's the civil war that the current King ended, the minute his father got killed, by assassinating a select few people and forcing loyalty oaths at swordpoint from a lot more, and then with a united host fought his way out of Valinor, landed here, conquered back everything the orcs had taken - Valinor had more advanced weapons - and then found the Enemy beyond his capabilities. So he settled down, started building, plans to absorb the whole continent politically and then take the fight back to the Enemy. Men came across the mountains in desperate straits because the war's even worse over there, and he made them all his vassals and is I think taking advantage of how rapidly their population increases, compared to ours. 

He's - very straightforward to work with, he makes it clear what will make you his enemy and that that's not to your advantage. He also murdered my parents and keeps my brother chained to his wall, so.

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Elspeth is now wondering if there are enclaves of not being fucked up, because she can match most of this but she could also talk all day about perfectly lovely bits of Earth. The not-fucked-up is probably less relevant to the story.

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Uh, I think some of the Dwarven kingdoms are perfectly nice internally, and Valimar's very strict but in a way that'd mean nearly none of this could happen.

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Not exactly a stirring recommendation, but she did say she couldn't recommend any parts of the world. It's probably a good thing Jake isn't here, he's already presumably beside himself with worry but at least it's vague. That's four species here, Elves and Dwarves and Men and orcs, which is sort of as many as Earth has if you count hybrids as their own thing. She's still not sure what the Enemy is exactly.

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Vala. They're immaterial and as far as we know indestructible and they're also - like, everyone else has some common elements to how they think and process and what their goals are. The Valar and Maiar are just kind of - different. Nothing they do makes much sense from our perspective. There are fifteen and most of them rule Valinor, not kindly but not heavy-handedly, but this one wants to do more mass murder and torture than the others would allow. Or different mass murder and torture. They don't really care what he does to orcs but they get upset if he touches Valinor or their favorite Elves.

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Elspeth tentatively rounds to 'god, in like the pagan sense'.

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Yeah, that fits even closer than you're thinking, Yavanna's the Vala of plants and Aule of ores and metalworking and Orome of the hunt and Manwe of the airs and birds and Varda of the stars and so on. The Enemy's the Vala of bad things, pretty much.

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The difference being that Zeus and so on don't exist, but it's still nice to have a reference.

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The Enemy definitely exists. And it's important to stop him. The King enjoys riding into orc villages and killing everyone in them far too much but it's not like I think he's wrong.

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Assuming the orc villages are military targets one way or another sure.

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All orcs are sworn to the Enemy. So even if right now they're just raising their children and doing their laundry in the stream, if the Enemy orders them - and he can do that at a range of several hundred miles - they'll murder you tomorrow. And even if they spend their whole lives doing nothing but raising their children, the Enemy doesn't want millions of orc children because he thinks orcs are cute, he wants millions of orc children so he can torture and kill everyone else.

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That'd be 'or another'. Maybe Addy and the other witches will figure out a way to come here and the entire thing can be over, if the gods aren't too godlike compared to vampires.

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That'd be great. 

 

Not sure what you'd do with all of us afterwards, but still.

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Well, Mama is pretty humane with all the vampire ex-serial-killers. It'd probably depend on what Aunt Alice said about the future.

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The King would be a saint if it happened to be to his advantage. So there's that.

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Mama's standards are lower than that. Couldn't call Addy a saint by any stretch of the imagination.

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I hope your friends find you. We probably shouldn't plan on it.

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Elspeth is planning to assume that they will try indefinitely, that everybody but Jake will cope if they fail indefinitely, and that she shouldn't assume it will be anytime soon that she sees rescue.

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Okay. That's everything I can think of about the local geopolitics. Want to murder our way out of here and try to make the ensuing war clean, or hope you can find another way out?

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Elspeth has never actually killed anyone. Even in the dubiously nonlethal mnemic blast fashion; she only knows she can do that because Addy did.

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Okay. We don't have to make a decision right away or anything.

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Elspeth has hit a person with incapacitating memories and then let someone else kill them, that's happened. Maybe she should sit here until she gets some sourceless truth about whether Aredhel is legit or not. Or she could try the thing that doesn't work very well even for all Addy's coaching with the analogies, but, well, it doesn't work very well.

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I can come back and swear to things, if you want to learn enough of my language for that to work.

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Elspeth should certainly learn the local language but doesn't actually know how/that oaths work in the first place.

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When we give our word - spoken aloud - it's binding. Forever. Using it to promise to do things is really dangerous and stupid but using it to promise 'I've been telling Elspeth only the truth and everything I'd expect her to find relevant' is safe, it doesn't commit you to future actions. Of course, I guess I could be lying right now about that fact.

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That would be the issue, yes. It's possible Elspeth's magic will go all delighted over another form of truth magic and she'll know a real oath as soon as she hears one or something; failing that, analogies or waiting for soothsaying.

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Which usually takes how long?

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Analogies are easier when she knows a person because she has to draw the analogy in terms of what would make an idea make sense to them if Elspeth said it. It'll probably take a while. Sourceless truth is totally unreliable and it was probably dumb to have her near magic experiments just in case she had a bolt from the blue about them.

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Well, you have until my husband finds you. And a while after that I guess if you want to just play along.

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What would she be playing along with?

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He'll probably hit on you. Nicely, for as long as you're playing along. He doesn't even acknowledge being the reason the forest's enchanted, isn't it terrible how we're all trapped here, let's ride along and try to find a way out.

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Elspeth wonders what happens if she claims to be taken. She has never had to actually claim to be taken to fend off an advance before; Jake is monogamous by obligatory species feature and she's monogamous to the extent she's gamous at all through lack of interest but people usually don't hit on her and the ones that do take a bare no for an answer.

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Well, he's never going to see you again, is he.

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Not unless Elspeth's family find her, and they'll be looking, and has she mentioned she can't keep a secret, okay she technically can but she's really bad at it and it involves making sure every single thing she says to the person she's trying to hide from is at least technically false so they don't know what it sounds like when she says true things.

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He knew taking me might start a war with people significantly closer and more obviously inclined to murder him at the slightest provocation, and he did it anyway.

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If playing along means pretending to be attracted to him or something Elspeth is going to be really bad at it. So, so bad at it. If it means actually sleeping with him and he reacts badly to "no" that would be the point where Elspeth would no longer need oathful confirmation that he should be deluged in too many memories for his brain to handle.

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Okay so I'd better start planning for breaking our way out of here, then, even if the timing's inconveniently dependent on how long it takes my husband to get impatient. If you kill him and we don't immediately leave there'll be a civil war and my son'll be a pawn in it. So please do let me know when you do so we can get out.

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Elspeth can do that. If Aredhel wants to see if the truth magic thing happens they could also do that; it'd be faster if it worked.

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,,,sure.

She turns around.

Rides back to where Elspeth is.

"I swear that everything I've told you today has been true, and that I haven't withheld things to mislead you."

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Elspeth talks to herself.

Magic is delighted.

Okay, I believe you. Who do I need to blast?

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...depends whether it's effectively fatal. If it is, then we can probably keep it down to around two hundred people, if not I'd rather blast the city and then slit a dozen throats.

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I only have a couple hundred yards of range. And this doesn't work twice on a single person and does leave them with lots of random people's personal memories.

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Okay. Ride as far in as we can bluff, take down the guards when we can't, get my son, take down the guards going out, there are a dozen specific people who need to die and I can point them out to you, head for the borders and attempt the strategy I think I have for getting through the enchantments, if they don't collapse once my husband's dead.

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Elspeth hops down from the tree. Okay.

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I'm sorry.

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Will the guards actually have to die die or can they just lie there processing memories if it turns out Elves can do that?

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Only a dozen people have to die die if it turns out Elves are not erased by the memory-blast trick.

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Okay. Should I sit on the horse with you or just go on foot?

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I get the sense you can keep up?

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Unless your horse is a lot faster than any horse on Earth, yes.

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Then just run alongside, probably.

It's significantly faster than any horse on Earth. She can still keep up easily.

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Elspeth wonders why this horse is so fast. It's a good thing for this purpose she's not a full vampire, animals hate full vampires.

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Raised in Valinor. Valinor makes everything stronger and healthier and longer-lived.

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That's an interesting effect. Addy would want to know all about the local magic; Elspeth kind of does too but mostly for practical reasons.

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Valar can do all kinds of things but lots of their effects amount to making their territory more something and in Valinor's case that's more alive, vibrant, strong, healing, blissful, etcetera. The kinds of magic Elves can do are songs and enchanting metal. Enchanting metal takes months for simple things and years for complicated ones and decades for the real triumphs of magical engineering - Aredhel's husband does magic swords that are sapient - and songs have near-instant effects but they only last while you're singing.

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Elspeth wonders if she should expect to be able to do any of these things. Probably not. Someone would've noticed if singing were magic at home, probably.

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Probably. Magic items should work just fine for her. They can ransack the armory for some weapons if Elspeth wants them and some rings that glow in the presence of enemies and so forth.

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Might be useful if it won't compromise their escape. Elspeth doesn't want to have to bite everything that might need holes in it.

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I'm a good shot and mediocre with a sword but if your main advantages over us are strength and speed you'd probably want a sword or something. Or a mace but you don't strike me as the bludgeoning weapon type.

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Elspeth's never tried to wield a weapon before. Would've been pretty useless against anyone she couldn't casually overpower untrained with her bare hands. She doesn't know if she's the bludgeoning weapon type. If some of the swords are sapient maybe one of them will like her or something.

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Maybe. 

I really am sorry.

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As far as I know none of this is your fault. Elspeth is now addressing herself again. Memory is hunting down information on sword use, she has to have somebody who's picked up a sword in here, there we go, sword information processing underway.

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Nah, but, like, your life was nice and now everything sucks and we're about to make it suck more. I know the feeling. I don't like being a part of it even if it's not my fault.

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That's fair. Well, last time my life suddenly started sucking it all turned out to be an improvement in the long run.

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Oh?

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Yeah, for the first few years of my life my mother and I were constantly on the move hiding from the previous shadow government and then they found us so she had to take over the world and that worked out pretty well.

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I'm glad. 

 

 

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No guarantee this will turn out the same way but it's vaguely encouraging.

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I think things are likelier to turn out badly if we go into them intending to take over the world. The King'll notice and not be amused.

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I don't intend to personally take over the world. I run public relations, not any of the administrative stuff.

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Okay. And I guess if your mother's people come and find you they'll be powerful enough that it might not matter.

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She will probably not try to take over the world unless Aunt Alice says she can do it.

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If she has enough power to make it look to the King like it'd be a close fight she can also just ask him to swear to be less awful in exchange for being left alone, I expect he'd agree to that.

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Might do. There's plenty to do back home and a substantial improvement here for negligible time investment would probably appeal.

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That would be a good thing for us to be intending to do, if we want to go anywhere near the King.

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I can only intend things so confidently on Mama's behalf, but noted.

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If you think you'll be able to truthfully tell your mother that that seems like a good way to make things lots better here without requiring a ridiculous amount of work, think that'll do.

They encounter some people. "This is Elspeth," Aredhel says impatiently. "She was expected, do you pay any attention to orders at all? We're going back to my home. Ride along with us, we require an escort."

Elspeth did not think she was expected, and everyone present can read Elspeth's thoughts. 

Expected by my husband, not by her, Aredhel tells them privately. 

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Elspeth can't understand the local language yet. She is however totally Elspeth.

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That'll have to do.

Their commanded escort is more resentful than suspicious. They ride on in. They have to switch to memory-dumping people as soon as someone thinks to ask Eol, but hopefully they'll be close before it comes to that.

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Elspeth is mostly thinking about swords. She wonders what sapient swords are like.

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And there it is. The gates open for them. The gatekeepers look confused by Elspeth and consider putting the gates back up.

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Elspeth is just following Aredhel's lead here.

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Aredhel is lying as aggressively as possible considering the person she's lying about has no private thoughts. I found her in the forest. My husband asked the guards to bring her in. She's not dangerous, she's barely out of childhood, I don't know why she's that warm but it's hardly going to burn you, I promised her I'd show her the armory. By all means call Eol down here, he'd be delighted to see us.

They get warily waved in.

They're about a hundred meters past the gates when someone says, "wait, stop, our lord doesn't know anything about this!"

Elspeth, guards out, now. 

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Have a few thousand years' worth of assorted memories.

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Armory's on the left, let's go.

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Elspeth runs for it. Hi swords. Any swords want to leave with her?

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One of the swords introduces itself as Anguirel and will totally accompany her.

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Elspeth swipes it - what else should she take in Aredhel's opinion?

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Armor won't fit her and is probably going to be too much of a hassle, she can grab a bow if she thinks she'd be supernaturally fast at learning to use it, those weapons over there are poisoned be careful, there's more guards at the door can Elspeth drop them -

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She can. She grabs a bow, it's not going to encumber her too much and she's probably got some archery in here - anything else -?

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Let's go get my son.

She looks at the guards on the way out and stabs two.

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Elspeth is not going to eat them this is not the time and she's got a perfect record and she will get squirrels or something on the way out.

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Uh. Hadn't actually picked up on that until now - I got that your mother prohibited eating people but not that it was super tempting -

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It's not for me. If I was a full vampire it'd be worse.

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But most of the people who might take over the world are?

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Yes, but they're expected to control themselves these days. Most of them would need to hold their breaths around exposed blood, though I'm not sure if they'd react the same to Elf blood as human.

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Well. I guess we're mostly also terrible and have even less excuse. 

Up the stairs. Her son looks three or so. Lomion, baby, be quiet, we're leaving, please be quiet...

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Well, three if he were a human, couple months if he were a half-vampire. It's important, Elspeth adds to the child helpfully, because he will believe her.

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And now they're carrying him. She knows the ways out that'll have the fewest guards - three here, two there - there's someone around this corridor that needs to be definitely dead -

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Elspeth blasts as-needed.

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She tries to make sure Lomion mostly doesn't see people dying violently. Falling over is okay. It has occurred to her that people Elspeth blasts may be beyond even Mandos, may be erased truly irrevocably, but she didn't mention this to Elspeth because it's not as if there's a convenient alternative. 

Eol's waiting at the bottom of the stairs. 

Him, she says.

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Him Elspeth has fewer qualms about.

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And stab. 

And more guards. And the horses. Let's go.

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Elspeth is still faster than a horse - My sleep schedule will adapt to the time zone eventually and then I will fall asleep almost unavoidably for a period of time every day. Can't stay on a horse easily asleep. I think we take one horse and you'll have to hold me on it if I crash while we're still in here.

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Gotcha. The baby sleeps too. We might be out of here in a day, if I get lucky.

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And Elspeth falls into step beside the horse, racing through the forest.

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Plan is to claw their way through the enchantments, now that she knows how they work. The trees are threaded to each other to redirect you in circles. There's some give to it. Find threaded trees. Insist on going between them. Twist it, and twist it, and twist it until the threads are trying to hold the whole forest in one spot.

They ride for hours. She sings over osanwe to her son.

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Elspeth introduces herself to her sword. What is it like to be a sword?

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Being a sword in an armory is pretty tedious. Being a sword running through the forest is pretty great. It'll be better if she knows how to use him, does she?

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She's working on it. Here's what she's got. None of the people in her memories had smart swords, though, so perhaps that is different, and also on her world swords are mostly a human thing so the tactics aren't adapted for her strength/speed/agility/sensory acuity.

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Her sword is delighted to work with her to figure out the best swordfighting tactics for a half-vampire! Elves do have superior-to-humans strength, speed, agility, and sensory acuity, but they don't even come close to equalling her on any of those but the last.

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What a helpful sword. She hopes she doesn't ever need it - sorry sword - but it will be nice to have an option that doesn't involve sinking her teeth into things if situations call for violence.

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She'll probably need it! Most people around here should really be stabbed. He'll also cooperate with sparring.

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Sparring could be interesting.

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After about eight hours of riding she says that she thinks she's getting somewhere. 

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How does this inescapable forest even work, anyway?

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So she explains how the enchantment chains the trees together so trying to travel between them lands you somewhere else, and what she's trying to do.

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...would it by any chance help if Elspeth asserted that there was enough space between various trees?

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Yep. That might help.

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How would I say it in your language?

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"There's space to pass between these trees."

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Elspeth repeats that. She has reason to believe her senses are lying to her; she can talk through that just like she could if it were one of Zafrina's illusions.

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Brilliant. That'll speed it up - can you do those trees right there, those trees over there -

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Elspeth can do that! She can repeat the sentence over and over.

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And suddenly there's sunlight streaming through some trees. Aredhel is delighted. Those trees, those trees -

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There's space between them! Elspeth says so and if Elspeth says so it is because it's true.

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And they're clear.

They're on an open plain, hilly, mountain ranges to the north, forest to the west. 

We head east, she says. And you meet my cousins.

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Okay. I'm really surprised I've stayed awake this long and now there's a visible sun I'm pretty sure my sleep cycle will snap to it. Early evening is most likely when I'll fall asleep.

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Okay. We can be in Himlad by then at this pace, we can sleep over there.

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Okay, good.

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You doing okay?

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Depends on what you mean. She's usually not awake this long, she's hungry and hasn't seen any squirrels yet, she's worried about Jake and her family, but she's not failing to hold together or expecting to have that problem.

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I can ask Tyelcormo to shoot you a deer or something before he comes by.

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She could eat a prekilled deer and it'd probably be a little tastier than whatever the Elves would be eating but 'recently dead or with its heart still beating' is really the optimal condition for an animal to be in if she's going to drink its blood and not just eat the meat.

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I can ask him about a live deer.

 

Tyelcormo? It's rude but she thinks he'll get over it.

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Yeah?

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Need a favor. I'm in your debt etcetera etcetera but actually I'm expecting you'll take this one to your brother. I've been in Nan Elmoth for twenty years. I wasn't allowed to leave.

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Oh, fuck.

Nah, let's just go burn the place to the ground and tell the King afterwards.

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I'm married and have a son.

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Well, he's going to be the only survivor.

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I thought you'd say that. Can you come pick up me and the person who helped get me out, and then we'll talk about it?

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Coming. But there's not much to talk about.

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Can you also talk a live deer into coming along? My companion drinks blood.

 

And to Elspeth, okay, food and rescue on the way.

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Thanks.

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Yeah. He currently wants to murder every single person in the kingdom but if I can't talk him out of it I can at least get a message to the King.

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If Elspeth weren't likely to fall asleep any moment it might be more relevant that her sword thinks she's stronger than an Elf and she could probably prevent somebody from wandering off to commit mass murder. Since she is convincing him is probably the way to go.

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If you killed the prince Tyelcormo you'd also have to kill, like, everyone, they'll come avenge him. Or are you just planning to wrestle him? That might do it. I think I can be persuasive, anyway.

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Elspeth was not planning to kill him. If she's planning to kill somebody her physical strength is pretty irrelevant.

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Okay. Well I'll try talking to my cousin and if that fails I'll try to stall so you can wrestle him. 

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Nod.

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Lomion's sleeping. She slows down.

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Elspeth matches her. Continues telepathying sword stuff with the sword.

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He shows up with a live deer mostly because it's an interesting challenge. He does have Himlad mobilized to go wipe Eol's shithole forest off the map, and says so when he finds them.

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Elspeth chomps the deer. It doesn't last long. She does not want the entire forest wiped off the map, that seems disproportionate. Aredhel's awful husband is already dead and Elspeth's willingness to help hinged on the expectation that the subsequent war would be clean.

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"I promised. Look, just tell the King, he'll be delighted. Save your energy for the Enemy."

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"Fine. You want an escort up to Himring or you want me to tell him from here?"

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"Elspeth and the baby need to sleep. And I do want to talk to him in person, or expect he'll want to talk to Elspeth, anyway. I have some conditions on his present."

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"...careful, okay?"

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"Trust me, I have a very good sense of what your brother is like."

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Having drained this deer of all its blood, Elspeth is now very sleepy. Yawn.

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You're safe here, ah, Elspeth, was it? No wars starting overnight or anything.

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It's Elspeth, she agrees. That's good.

And she flops on the ground and sleeps.

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You sure -

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...that I don't want everyone in the city murdered? Yeah. It'd be satisfying but she'd be upset and she's super powerful and also I get why she'd be upset, it's not like most of them could have done anything. Sweet of you, though.

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Wish I'd found out sooner.

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Would've been nice. It's okay.

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And they spend the night talking through what she missed, and singing, and worrying about the fatherless baby.

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Elspeth wakes up early in the morning.

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We're getting escorted off to talk to the King, that okay?

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Yeah.

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Need more deer or anything?

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I don't really need an entire deer every time. I should have something at some point today but it doesn't matter exactly when. I could just eat some of the deer now.

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That'd probably be most convenient. 

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So Elspeth eats some raw deer, and then follows where the Elves lead.

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The Elves lead north, through some populated valleys, across a river, and then the terrain gets drier and sparser and hillier and there's a foreboding fortress on the horizon.

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This whole place is so low-tech. It's weird. She isn't sure she likes these people enough to unpack any memories of how to make anything they don't have. In her own right she doesn't know the engineering for anything much.

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Yeah, it might help against the Enemy and that'd be really good but I wouldn't expect the King to stop at that. 

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Elspeth's a terrible repository for secrets but she doesn't have to sift through Aro's payload for inventors and physicists and scholars he ate once, executed long ago. So she doesn't. She thinks about swords with her sword.

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And she tries to be totally calm about this and assume that the King's too careful to just seize Lomion and then laugh at the idea she meant to negotiate with him.

And they approach the foreboding fortress.

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Do you want me to hold him?

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I don't think he will. He doesn't usually throw his weight around to start out, and my request of him is reasonable, and he'll want to size up you before he does anything conspicuously awful in your presence.

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Okay then.

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Which means, since you're powerful and useful and would disapprove, he probably won't be awful at all. I just don't want to lean too much on the assumption. 

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Reasonable enough. Elspeth knows lots of people who are fine as long as they're getting what they want by being fine.

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Well, there are some things he wants that aren't compatible with being fine. But for the most part, yeah, exactly.

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Elspeth isn't positive she has enough clues to actually put that together but she has enough to make wild guesses.

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She'll probably figure it out if the King agrees to Aredhel's terms.

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Probably has something to do with keeping Aredhel's brother chained to a wall.

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How good at guessing she is.

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Anyway. Hello fortress.

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They are expected; they are parted from their weapons and escorted in to meet the King.

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...taking Elspeth's sword away kind of makes her strictly more lethal but okay.

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The guards take this very seriously but nonetheless no guests with swords in the throne room, sorry, arbitrating that on an individual basis would waste a lot of time and there's a war to conduct, about to be two of them.

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Sure, makes sense.

This throne room has an actual throne that someone sometimes sits in probably because the locals are not vampires and find sitting restful.

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It does. 

Aredhel kneels, and coaches Lomion into the best approximation his toddler knees can manage.

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Elspeth doesn't particularly know if imperial princesses are supposed to kneel to kings. She will if he wants her to she guesses but she suspects radiating the opinion that it's very silly will defeat the point.

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There's no protocol for imperial princesses, he says agreeably, and once we pick one it will certainly have to be one you don't find silly. Welcome to Himring. I've heard what's going on but would hear it firsthand.

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Well, Elspeth can just condense her entire experience since she has arrived here, calibrated for human-brain-speed just to be safe, and fling it at him, if he likes, how's that.

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He blinks.

He goes still for a few seconds.

He beams at her. That's astonishingly useful. Thank you. I'd set some people to working on sending you home but we don't even seem to have the relevant kind of magic. You want me to take Nan Elmoth with as little violence as possible, and Irisse asks that I give the assignment to Findekáno in exchange for her help communicating to everyone relevant what grievance exactly prompted the fight?

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Irissë?

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Nan Elmoth bans our native language. Irisse's my name in Quenya, Aredhel's Sindarin. The King's scrutiny almost but not quite tempts her to lisp the last word.

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Oh. Then yes, Elspeth is not sure why he had to ask for clarification, Elspeth doesn't usually have to repeat herself. She really ought to learn the local languages. The telepathy will probably speed it up, it's so nice that everyone has that.

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I was clear on what you were asking but can't put 'burst of memories' into the formal record. I would be happy to see the conquest of Nan Elmoth occur with as little bloodshed as possible. Irisse, can you write to Doriath?

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Happily, your grace. May I speak with my brother?

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I'll ask him.

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Elspeth wonders vaguely how he's going to conduct an invasion chained to a wall. Presumably they will have to let him not be chained to the wall at least temporarily.

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He'll be under very restrictive oaths. But he'll ride out with the army.

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It's nice that these people have ways to verify honesty but the other thing mostly reminds her of this one witch with the compulsion power who died with the Volturi. He was a creep.

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Send me all about that? We don't have your world's magic.

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If she wraps up everything she knows about witchcraft and sends it at a human safe speed it will take days and days, she has Addy's memories and they're up to date, but he can have a summary of Pyotr's power, only worked some of the time and Addy never did figure out why but when it worked people who he told to do things just did them.

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The Enemy employs oaths that way. I do not. 

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Well, Elspeth now knows that he wants her to think that he doesn't do that.

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He likes her. 

He has a place arranged for Irisse and her son, and a place arranged for Elspeth where live animals can be easily brought, and he sets Irisse to the letterwriting and then goes to speak to Findekáno. 

 

Irisse is safe. 

From who?

She was in Nan Elmoth. Eol married her. She murdered him.

Hmmm.

She wants to talk with you, and she wants you to be the one to go take over Nan Elmoth for me. She thinks you won't cause unnecessary bloodshed. 

Findekáno is quiet for a moment. What is your will, my liege?

You swear to take my ends as your own until you next return to me, and then you go collect me Nan Elmoth. Or I have Tyelcormo do it.

All of your ends, not just with respect to the campaign?

Yes.

I'll swear it for all of your goals that I currently know of, with the qualifier that I will not swear additional oaths while under the influence of that one and if I learn of new ends of yours I won't take them as my own.

Thank you, Maitimo says, and kisses him. He grits his teeth. He usually does that. When Maitimo doesn't want him to do that he asks his cousin to swear himself temporarily in love. 

 

And an hour later Findekáno comes to find his sister and Elspeth.

 

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Elspeth can't talk to her sword from where she is, and has been unpacking memories in real time to occupy herself. She will take ages to run out like this, playing through the lives of random Roman peasants. Pity it's so Eurocentric. She's saving Aro's lunches from his rare trips to other continents for special occasions. Who's this guy?

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One of Maitimo's ends is learning more from the stranger; therefore he wants that too, just as much. Hello, he says. You must be Elspeth, and it's nice to meet you but I am actually mostly looking for my sister who apparently commissioned me to conduct a war. Have you seen her?

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Last I saw her she was writing letters - Impression of the place.

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Thank you. 

 

He finds Irisse. 

Hey.

Hey, she says. I'm not even sure how much it's you but I had to try.

It's me, he says. Maitimo's war but my - way of thinking, Maitimo's steering but on a course I got to choose, it will be as clean as anyone possibly can make it. I appreciate the thought. Congratulations on making it out.

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Thanks. Means I shouldn't tell you things, though. Can I have a hug?

 

They hug.

I don't want to make you lie to me, she says. So I'm not going to ask anything or volunteer anything you'll be obliged to cover for - uh. If you were really here you'd want to meet your nephew. He's sleeping, but...

 

Findekáno is delighted by his nephew. 

 

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Someone brings Elspeth some medium-sized live animals a while later.

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That's nice of them. She drinks up. Since she's not venomous the meat's not going to be poisoned for anyone else who might want it.

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Good to know. They'll make sure not to waste it. The King would love to talk with her at her convenience.

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Now's fine, where is he?

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Smaller, less dramatic room. It still has places to sit, since Elves are not vampires and need to sit down occasionally. He waves at her. 

Hello! I am rather desperately curious about your world. Do you have a summary for that, or should I pepper you with questions?

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I have a summary designed for humans from my world who didn't know vampires and magic existed, but not one designed for Elves.

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I am happy to start with that if it's what you have convenient.

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Normally it's distributed in pamphlet form because there are more humans like that than there are chunks of Elspeth-time and because some people find her a little overwhelming on top of the whole "vampires are real" thing but she has all the content memorized and can translate it into language-independent meaning pretty easily. Vampires and werewolves and hybrids and their traits and history and the Golden Empire and eating people and forcibly turning them are both illegal now and this is the form you'd have to fill out if you wanted to be a vampire except that's moot here because Elspeth's nonvenomous.

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And I'm not at all sure that would work normally on Elves; for one thing, when tortured we can usually just choose to stop having our body, and we can be brought back from being dead.

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It's entirely possible Elves can't turn into vampires. Werewolves can't either, at least not active ones, for different reasons, and neither can hybrids for still other reasons.

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Okay. How vampires in your world fight wars is therefore not very plausibly helpful to us; I am very interested in how humans do it.

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Yeah she still does not think she likes these people enough to dig up any engineering. Now she is contemplating Jasper's Civil War days. There was a lot of malaria going around.

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Is that likely to change if I provide you with suitably shown-true information about the Enemy, and promise only to use weapons you give us against him?

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Maybe if the promise was really airtight.

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You might have to learn our language, or really trust at least one person who speaks it, to be satisfied with the wording of such a promise. But if that's a promising avenue then I want to tell you about the Enemy. Is now a good time, or are you still acclimating to around here?

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She totally wants to learn the language, it shouldn't take her long, she has a perfect memory. Now seems fine, she wasn't doing much active acclimation before.

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Language first, or Enemy first?

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There doesn't seem to be any obvious reason they couldn't happen simultaneously what with the telepathy.

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"Okay." He translates while he speaks. "Did Irisse tell you about the Valar and the Maiar? They existed before the world itself and they tell us that they created it. One of them is named Melkor and he destroyed what the others created, but at the time the world had no people except the other, also indestructible, Valar and Maiar on it so this was as I understand it not a very big problem.

Melkor'd messed up the major continents tremendously and there was very little alive on them except his monsters and the things his monsters ate, and the other Valar got tired of working with him and retreated to Valinor, which they built to their precise preferences. It's exceptionally pretty. " He sends memories.

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"It is pretty," she agrees in a fairly precise copy of his accent.

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"Oh, you might be as fast with languages as my father! I never imagined that was possible."

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Did he have an eidetic memory?

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"No, just a very very good one and a passion for languages and lots of knowledge of syntax generalizations across languages so he could make inferences quickly."

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"I have lots of languages," but I haven't considered linguistics per se very much.

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"If that brain dump turns out not to be fatal to us I expect he'd be very sad he couldn't get it on purpose."

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Some people did want it on purpose. It does contain a lot of genuinely personal information, some about people who are still alive and aren't as cavalier as I am about mindreading, so I'm not casual about it now that I'm not trying to take over the world. I got all the languages out of it, though.

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"Well, my father is dead, so it's not really possible to teach him the languages. Maybe someday."

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Elspeth nods. She can resurrect dead people but only with a combination of human (?) sacrifice and the person to be resurrected having been a vampire who Aro or Addy downloaded at some point, no point there.

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"The Valar can resurrect dead people. Possiby not if you overwrote them with memories, but certainly if they died as my father did."

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It's a pity that the people she blasted could have been okay if she hadn't done that even if Aredhel had stabbed them anyway, but she hadn't been going in assuming that this was an option in the first place. Her memory-overwriting is the only method for it at home and she didn't know the Valar could do that.

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"Yeah, I can't imagine how you would have, and it doesn't sound like the two of you used it needlessly anyway. The Valar might be able to help them anyway, I am not at all sure it's beyond them. Unfortunately we can't take our world's method of resurrection to your world even if we find a way to send you back. The Valar don't do mortals - our humanlike people."

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"Don't or can't?"

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"They would say 'can't'. I'm not actually sure."

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Well, Aro's dead, no way to back them up now even if Addy and a bandolier of witch toes shows up with perfected interworld travel in the next five minutes.

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"I think our world's magic can fix immortality, but it'd be a centuries-long project for anyone who isn't my father and I have the engineers working on the war instead."

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Mama's trying to make everyone at home immortal but has to balance that against blood supply and not disrupting literally all the cultures in the world and turning into a vampire hurting like crazy so it's time-consuming to roll out. The synthetics still taste awful.

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"I doubt our solution will have any of those drawbacks, though it also won't come with the benefits of being a vampire, and it won't be ready in time for anyone currently alive unless you decide to win me the war after all."

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Elspeth is not sure she contains enough information and power to singlehandedly win a war against an evil god.

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"We are winning as it stands. We've had him besieged in the north for centuries. I am sure that the inventions that'll level Angband and destroy him are in our power, it's just going to take another few centuries. He's asked us for peace terms, several times. I think he also believes we're winning."

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Where did they fail to come to agreement on the peace terms?

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"We didn't go to negotiate with him, he can't be trusted."

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Then it's sort of hard to know if his suing for peace says anything about the balance of power. Are leveling Angband and killing him supposed to be one and the same?

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"No, killing him will be harder. Levelling Angband will stop him torturing people and breeding monsters, though, so it's a good step, and if they catch it right we can also destroy his body and make it really hard for him to reconstitute a new one, buying us several centuries."

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"A lot can happen in several centuries. With a united populace and a lot of resources going to magic and science, I am very sure it can be done."

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He can probably convince her to unearth a nuclear physicist but he might have to stop keeping a dude chained to his wall because if that's anything like what she speculates it's less defensible on every level than vampires forcibly turning their mates and if it doesn't turn out she has even that much leverage he's probably not the right person to tell about nuclear physics, there are probably other people who would like to know about nuclear physics.

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"I would very much like to know about nuclear physics. But if you'd rather tell one of my brothers about nuclear physics that'd be entirely acceptable. Findekáno's commanding the war in Nan Elmoth."

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She was assuming he was originally intended to go back to being chained to the wall after that. She was also assuming that people who are not (related to / tacitly endorsing / possibly just as fucked up as) King Chain A Guy To The Wall exist and might like to know about nuclear physics. Aredhel said some Dwarf kingdoms were nice internally.

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"Okay. I swear not to chain him to any more walls if you teach our engineers the things known to your nuclear physicists."

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He didn't really think chaining him to a wall was the exact specific problem, did he? Metonymy should be obvious both because Elspeth and because mindreading.

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He was not confused about what she meant, no. 

You can go talk to him, ask him what he wants.

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This might be a stalling tactic. A stalling tactic would be pretty smart honestly because Elspeth is not a suitable repository for secrets and trying to be is very difficult. She will probably have to run off into the wilderness if she decides he's doing that. She's faster than a horse, at least. Could also be a diversion. Might be able to get Findekáno to say anything.

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"I'm not stalling. If you're trying to take a stand on his behalf you don't do him any favors by going off secondhand reports. We really need to win this war and we'll both live if your condition for that happens to be 'never speak again' but neither of us will be happy about that. I swear I haven't threatened him with retaliation if he speaks his mind or anything like that."

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Elspeth is probably ill-served by not knowing more about how oaths work. Maybe her sword knows how oaths work. It's probably a disinterested party.

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"It would surprise me a bit if it did, not itself being an oath-swearing species of person, but you are welcome to ask it. Or go around meeting our neighbors and asking them, I can give you a map and it sounds like you wouldn't be in substantial danger. All of them will tell you that Findekáno could have sworn never to speak ill of me or something. I can swear myself that he never so swore to my knowledge, but if that's not good enough then I guess you will just have to decide what's best for him without consulting him."

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Elspeth can think of all kinds of things that would have that effect without being literally that.

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"I swear that to my knowledge he hasn't sworn anything that'd stop him from accurately representing what he wants."

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Then she'll talk to him, she supposes. She should still fly less blind in general. A map would be useful.

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A map! And an offer of some translators - "who I swear I've chosen only because they're good at translating and should work well with you" - if she wants to go talk to people who don't speak Quenya, not that other languages should take her much longer. There's an ambassador from Tumunzahar right here in the city, too, if she'd like to meet him. 

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Sure why not.

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"Thank you."

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Insofar as she has provided him with anything of value yet she supposes he's welcome.

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"You have good priorities and sensible questions and I have faith we'll come to an agreement for nuclear physicists eventually."

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She wonders how much of that is flattery but it doesn't seem likely to matter much.

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"I swear that while I do like most people I meet you struck me at once as one of the people I like most of everyone I've met."

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That's interesting. Why?

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"The making yourself known. I would like to have the relationship with myself and my goals that made that work for me. It's extraordinarily compelling. And it makes you very reassuring to be around; it is clear what you want and what you care about and how people can do right by you. A lot of people are very hard to do right by. And, like I said, very sensible priorities and good judgment."

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Elspeth has had to talk to people who were put out about forcible turning being illegal before but none of them ever complimented her priorities while she did it.

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"Given the information you have your demand makes perfect sense and you're going to get more information. I don't really have grounds for a complaint."

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She laughs a little. "Okay."

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He points out to her where all of the people she might want to talk with are, and then leaves for a meeting.

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Elspeth goes looking for the nearest person-she-might-want-to-talk-to and introduces herself.

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The ambassador from Tumunzahar is delighted to meet her. He's about three and a half feet tall and very bearded. Her translator - mind-affecting magic categorically does not work on Dwarves, they can't sense her truth or talk with her telepathically, so she needs a translator - communicates that the ambassador regards meeting her as a good use of his time.

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Elspeth will pick up more of the language over the course of the conversation but there's no substitute for volume of vocabulary and nobody has offered her a dictionary to read (...is there one around?) so translator it is. Hello ambassador. Elspeth is from another world and curious about local politics!

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Sure! There are two major Elf kingdoms - the Noldor and Doriath - and lots of Men also live in the Noldorin kingdom. There are seven Dwarven kingdoms and they trade with the Elves, because Elves haven't got much common sense and need to trade for lots of things. He talks about commodity prices in earnest and at length.

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In what way do Elves not have much common sense?

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Elves hadn't invented currency until the Dwarves explained it to them. Elves are really annoyingly fastidious! Oaths! Oaths are dangerous and kind of ridiculous. Soul-bonding! Dangerous and kind of ridiculous. The King murdered half his own family! Dwarves select their leaders by popular vote and they have term limits and things. Elven leadership wields absolute power, that can't be healthy. 

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Many human governments back home have the voting and term limits thing! Elspeth's mama wields absolute power but a popular vote by vampires would have eating people and turning them against their will legal so that's a special case in Elspeth's opinion. She likes the truth oaths, they are a little bit like the thing she does that the Dwarf cannot receive. Which is sort of like her mama, the immunity to mind magic thing, but she can make an exception for Elspeth as needed.

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Yes, vampires sound like a case where the normal incentives don't produce very good results. He's very curious about Elspeth's world and how Elspeth's mother ended up running it.

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Elspeth can deliver a history lesson! She has literally written history textbooks on this topic.

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The history lesson is very appreciated! The Dwarf ambassador would be delighted to pay her in history lessons of his own, though he has not written any textbooks. 

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That would be lovely.

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So he tells the story of the founding of his Dwarven kingdom, and the story of how the Noldor swept in on stolen boats and conquered the whole aboveground continent from the Enemy.

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Elspeth is not sure why an evil god uses armies of orcs. Vampires are probably a step or two down from evil gods in terms of power, and do not use armies of humans, and this is not just because vampires are traditionally secret from humans.

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Yeah. The Elves might be underestimating their Enemy because defeating his ground troops was so easy for them.

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Does the ambassador think it would be a good idea to level Angband in spite of that?

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Oh, definitely. Angband breeds orcs and then the orcs march out to their inevitable violent deaths and also the Enemy tortures prisoners in various horrifying ways but uniformly so, when released, they beg the first people they see to kill them. So levelling it seems entirely reasonable.

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That's good to know. Should she trust the Elf King with things that might let him do that or should she maybe tell somebody else?

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Well, who else would she tell? The Dwarves would be happy to trade her for knowledge but they are not going to level Angband, they don't get involved in military operations and they are not about to decide to do so even if handed the weapons, let alone if handed the knowledge that a massive public works project will eventually get them the weapons. Doriath won't do it. Suppose she could try deposing the Elf King and hoping the Elves pick a better king next time. The Elf King's personal pet seems to have a good head on his shoulders and not be particularly mass murdering, maybe someone should put him in charge.

 

(Elspeth's translator looks unhappy.)

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Would Elspeth's translator care to register an opinion?

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She would rather not translate treasonous conversations and is going to have to tell the King about them. Elspeth should avoid discussing killing the King or who to replace the King with after killing him or things in that vein. 

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Elspeth can't even keep a secret herself, she would not expect it of the translator. The ambassador's not going to be in trouble, is he?

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No, of course not, the King knows that Dwarves disagree with him about all kinds of things. 

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Then there shouldn't be any problem. Anyway in a bit Elspeth will know enough Quenya to have any treasonous conversations she may wish to have without help.

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The translator doesn't look thrilled at that prospect either.

 

Does she want to meet anyone else?

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Sure, who's next?

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Findekáno? Another Dwarven ambassador? Some historians and journalists?

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Findekáno's not out conquering yet?

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They just got the news a few hours ago, he's presumably going to ride out tomorrow and he can't be in a terrible rush because he stopped in to greet his sister and play with his nephew.

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If he'd like to talk to Elspeth she's game.

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Adopting Maitimo's ends as his own is always odd because Maitimo wants him, very very badly, in a way that honestly defies all reason, because forgetting ethics it seems like it would just be convenient to have a lover who, well, loved you. But Maitimo wants him and that means currently he very badly wants to be Maitimo's.

He'd be delighted to talk to the princess Elspeth, by all means invite her in. 

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Here's the princess Elspeth. Except for the Dwarves all these people can read minds and it's convenient like her father is convenient and sometimes Addy too, communicating is effortless as thinking, in this case thinking about her leverage and what she ought to do with it.

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Oooh, maybe get him to focus more resources on mortal child mortality, the rates are very worrying and it's not very strategically relevant so it gets neglected. Or you could get him to liberalize some of the laws about dissent and a free press, without the war on there's no excuse for people being afraid to put whatever they please on a broadsheet.

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...she'll make mental notes of those things. Also she's sort of a doctor, she has many fewer reservations about teaching people doctoring. Is he just very selfless about the being chained to a wall thing.

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Maitimo's ends as his own. There's not even any internal screaming, just his mind set to figuring out what to say -

I love Maitimo and I want to be his and I wish he'd be possessive in some way that didn't frighten people but I could leave if I wished to, and I don't, and I could ask him to cut it out if I wished to, and I don't.

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Seems to upset his sister.

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Homosexuality is taboo. Used to be illegal, before Maitimo became King.

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...that was not the part that seemed to upset his sister but she wasn't broadcasting everything like Elspeth does so maybe it was operative.

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I think that's the reason she refuses to believe I'm okay and making informed decisions, yeah.

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Huh. Okay. Public health stuff, free press. Elspeth runs through some other virtues of properly run societies in her head so he can suggest things this one is missing.

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No, we're doing pretty well on most of that. If I think of anything else while out on the campaign I'll have someone write you. 

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How long do you expect it to take?

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A week for the fighting to be over, then we have to set up hospitals and distribution centers and policing and a functional state, I may be down there for a few years. It is very unwise to take over countries haphazardly.

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Nod nod. There was a lot of work to do when Mama took over the vampire shadow government and that wasn't even a real country and she was able to retain most of the personnel.

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I don't get the sense from my sister that I'll be able to do much personnel retention. I'll of course aspire to it. But if it takes ten years to get Nan Elmoth really firmly integrated into the empire with free travel to and from everywhere else, it'll be worth spending those ten years up front. 

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Even really old vampires aren't usually that casual about spending a decade on a thing.

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I think I'm a lot older than what you're thinking of as a really old vampire.

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Possible. Stefan and Vladimir are a little over three thousand years old and they're the oldest ones with whom she's acquainted.

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I am coming up on three thousand and the King's older than that. Old Elves are eight, nine thousand. The Queen of Doriath is millions of years old.

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That might be it then. That and vampires are really static as people and have a hard enough time adjusting to new status quos, let alone temporary changes.

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Elves don't have that problem! I am looking forward to a decade of nationbuilding. I will miss Maitimo but once it's safe he'll probably visit.

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That'd be sweet if it weren't for the thing where Findekáno is under a horrifying motive-altering oath that would have completely escaped her if not for good old unreliable sourceless truth what the fuck.

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He blinks at her.

He has no idea what to say but that's a disaster he needs to come up with something -

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He tried to slip that past her, right under her nose - she struggles with her magic in case she can fix it like she could make progress on Chelsea's victims maybe maybe maybe -

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Please don't do that. It's not going to work and it's a little upsetting - Maitimo, Elspeth's upset, please come help me -

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She can't anyway, she's not getting any sourceless truth about what he wants when he's not under oath and can't try asserting it at him - should she go - she's not in personal danger of this one, she can't swear oaths like that, her word is true but it can't strangle her, but what can she even do here if he's going to try to finesse her like that with an informational advantage she can only surmount when facts come out of the ether at random -

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Destroy Angband. It's really really important, it is not worth risking anything else over -

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Then it should not have been worth risking Elspeth deciding Maitimo is impossible to work with should it.

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Obviously not!!!! He is an idiot and I am furious with him for it and deceiving you today is by far the greatest evil he's ever done and I will go yell at him all evening, but Angband is no less important for that!

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Everything this person says or thinks is contaminated and she doesn't even know all the details of how, she has the sense of the oath but does not know enough to guess its implementation. She hisses.

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Thousands of people are being tortured, are you really going to decide you won't help them because of one? Who's not in fact being tortured, I might add?

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I. Cannot. Trust. You.

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Right, which is why I am proposing arguments that can be evaluated on their own merits.

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No they can't. All of my information here is filtered. All of it. And this can obviously cause me to miss things. I'm not usually among a species of mind-readers and I know how far selective truth can go. Convincing doctors she was old enough to be one of them - calling her gift into service to support a fake name just close enough - she's got such a trustworthy face and people will believe anything she says if it's not literally false, if they haven't heard her speak with ringing honesty before, and she can't usually control who else a person talks to and wedge most of them into motive altering oaths -

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He sits down and buries his head in his hands. Fuck. Yeah, I see why you don't - it's not nearly that bad but of course I'd say that - Maitimo, come the hell over here whatever you're in the middle of, she doesn't trust me, we need you -

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Well, she can't trust Maitimo either but she mistrusts him differently.

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And he walks in, and Findekano leaps to his feet and glares at him. How could you? How could you risk two hundred years of war just for us? How could you even think about it?

 

I know, he says. I know. I'm so sorry. Elspeth, what do you want to know? "I swear to tell Elspeth the truth without omitting information she might find relevant."

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...hiss. Easy to know how to do right by her, is it - she wants to know what every single person she comes into contact with has sworn - this is possibly even more important to sussing out what's going on than it is at home to know who everybody's mate or imprint is - (she misses her wolf -)

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He hugs Findekáno. They actually sort of cling to each other. Then -

"Findekáno is permanently sworn to protect me with his life, to do me no violence and not permit anyone under his command to do me violence, and to obey any just order I give. For the duration of the campaign in Nan Elmoth he is sworn to take my ends as his own, which means he wants everything I want. Most of my people are sworn to obey orders they can obey in good conscience and resign if they cannot, and not to harm me or permit harm to come to me, and not to serve the Enemy."

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Hiss.

What's the content of 'just'.

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"Intent of the speaker. He said it, so -"

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"Unjust orders would be orders to coerce oaths from people, or to ask oaths of people already under mind-altering ones, or to kill civilians, or torture someone..."

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It probably wouldn't actually be that hard to kill Maitimo without Findekáno obstructing her very much but she has no idea what that would do to the oath or the politics and she has still never actually killed anybody all the way herself -

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"Then we have a lovely civil war that kills a hundred thousand people, and the Enemy probably wins, are you insane?"

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No she is poorly informed. She doesn't even know if Maitimo's oath to be truthful with her leaked onto his - his - she can't even dignify this arrangement with vampire terminology whatever the surface similarities -

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"Mind-controlled sex slave," he says curtly. "His oath to tell the truth doesn't affect me - for that matter, I'm sworn to the ends he had when we made that agreement, so if he changes his mind about what he wants I cannot similarly change mine - but I'm happy to give you an oath that I'm telling the truth, too. I swear that I am not lying and am not deliberately withholding information you'd want. If you murder the King there will be a civil war and a hundred thousand people dead is a conservative estimate and it's not at all obvious to me that whoever ends up in charge would be better than Maitimo at conducting the war against the Enemy, which really is all that matters."

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Fine, she won't murder the King.

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"Thank you."

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"Do you think you can work with us, or do you want an escort to Tumunzahar?"

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Undecided. Also she's not sure what she thinks of that dichotomy as presented.

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There's also Doriath, but if you dislike us you'll loathe them. And the other Dwarven kingdoms' locations I'm not at liberty to disclose. Please don't go meet the Enemy to get both sides of the story or anything. Running off into the wilderness is also an option. 

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What's so bad about Doriath? Do they have an entire mind-controlled-sex-slave institution going?

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They used to hunt Dwarves for sport but I think they've cut that out now. I don't think they've cut it out with the slavery. Their King and Queen have an arrangement reminiscent of ours, though, yes.

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She is totally advising her mother to take over the world if this is ever feasible advice to deliver.

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Do you actually have any complaints about the priorities or internal affairs of this kingdom or its treatment of any of its citizens other than Findekáno? Because those I'd take quite seriously.

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Well, Findekáno did mention a couple of things and who knows what else he hasn't decided to tell her even if now it would have to be because he doesn't have a good enough model of her interests.

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I would love to do something about child mortality if you can dig up the memories of some doctors for our healers to start working with. I think I have a sufficiently good model of your interests that I'd know by now if anything else about this nation was likely to be upsetting to you. Hmmm - oh, we don't have as much freedom of movement as you'd like because the Enemy likes kidnapping people so they are not allowed to leave for dangerous places until all of the strategically relevant things they know are out of date. This has only come up a handful of times.

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Not come up because people don't try it because they know they're not allowed or because everyone is so thrilled to be here.

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Well, people find the possibility of capture and eternal torture by the Enemy very deterring in its own right. But I think most people do not desire to leave and wouldn't even if it were safe. And they aren't under any oaths that'd affect their judgment there. 

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Conservative option is probably dumping medical school on some local healers and absorbing more information from a broader base of sources.

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Thank you. We appreciate it.

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It is vaguely shameful to have his appreciation but okay.

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I'm guessing you do not want another list of people I think you should get in touch with?

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She has to find healers somehow and she did like the Tumunzahar ambassador and have a supposedly treasonous conversation with him but yeah.

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All right. 

Findekáno, can you spare an hour from the planning, I need you -

Yeah, of course, he says. Good skill, Elspeth, we're lucky to have met you.

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Ick.

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You really should have been more discreet, then it'd never have been known to her as something to look out for.

 

Truth powers! Maitimo grumbles. That's really not fair. Anyway, if she teaches the Dwarves nuclear physics we can trade them for it.

And if her mother shows up?

She seems poised to murder me and try to keep the country together herself. It won't work, but I don't know how to convince her not to try it -

I can swear to kill myself if anyone kills you to try to free me?

Crossed my mind, yeah, but it'll have to wait until Nan Elmoth's taken care of -

 

It's not as if Maitimo's usually attentive to what Findekáno wants, but with this particular oath he doesn't need to be. Findekáno will be just demanding enough to make Maitimo feel like he's fucking a person, since that's what Maitimo wants - what both of them want - and then he will hand his private thoughts to Maitimo and be as delighted about that as Maitimo is.

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Elspeth lets herself out and wanders the halls radiating an interest in meeting healers please.

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She is directed down to the palace healers.

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Whose state of knowledge she assesses and then she's got several sets of medical school memories buried less deep than most of her payload to translate into local terms and transmit.

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They are efficient and friendly and grateful.

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And eventually she has to sleep.

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Live animals will be brought by for breakfast! The army will be riding out in a few hours to go conquer Nan Elmoth!

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Lovely.

She goes back down and dispenses doctoring information.

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They're going to have trained doctors heading to all the mortal settlements by the end of the month, at this rate. They're requisitioning materials they'll need by the crateful.

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That's good at least.

She listens with half an ear for more Quenya vocabulary and for anything else she might want to know.

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They don't talk politics; they mention the King only when they're requisitioning something quite expensive and are expecting to need his approval to handle it. When the impending invasion is discussed it's just to say that the King's consort will do a good job, he always does.

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Consort's a nice word for it.

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Well, the King is the law. Peculiar tastes but everyone involved seems happy, so who are they to judge?

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Oh yeah mind control can be real pleasant Elspeth would know it's so cozy.

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It is very understandable for her to feel that way! More doctoring?

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Yeah.

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After the day's work someone awkwardly catches her eye and smiles at her. King or not, he really shouldn't, should he? Everyone adores him and sometimes you wonder if you're going crazy.

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Elspeth doesn't adore him. Not adoring him is not a sign of going crazy.

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I had noticed. You've been simmering with it all day. Thank you for helping us with public health initiatives despite not liking the King.

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You're welcome.

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Do you need a hug or something?

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No thank you but it's nice of you to offer.

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Okay. See you tomorrow.

 

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Med school takes a long time but a lot of that is memorizing vocabulary and pharmacology and organic chemistry that isn't immediately useful here, and bedside manner and hospital procedure that's redundant with what they already have. Elspeth condenses what she knows that will do them any good. By the time she's done she's fluent in both Quenya and Thindarin and still quietly simmering with disgust at the King all the time. It's not like equally terrible people aren't around at home but they're under control and he's out of it and Elspeth can't fix that.

She doesn't know yet if her family will ever find her. They still might.

And if they do she doesn't want it to be any harder to get him under control than it has to be.

Maybe she should go to Tumunzahar.

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As grateful as everyone is for her medical help they are kind of relieved by the time she's done. It is uncomfortable to be around someone constantly simmering with disgust at the King. Tumunzahar's lovely, she'll like it there. 

 

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Well they could try having a less disgusting King but apparently that would be too hard. If she leaves does she get her sword back? It has probably been bored.

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The King is the only one who can possibly win a war against the Enemy. It might seem reasonable to Elspeth to propose they have a civil war rather than let the King be vaguely abusive towards his consort but she is not one of the people who'd die in that civil war, now is she. Also, Findekáno is very much pre-any-oaths on the record as not wanting a civil war over him. 

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Which is very noble of Findekáno to be sure and she therefore did not put her fist through the King's face she's so restrained.

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Yeah, maybe she should go to Tumunzahar.

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Does she get her sword back? Unless it's, like, bonded with somebody here, it's a sapient sword and she isn't planning to kidnap it against its will.

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It's pretty bored and is delighted to travel with her. How was the palace, how were the Elves.

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The Elves can all read minds and that's lovely in her opinion and they brought her food and were mostly pretty nice but the King is morally bankrupt! Off she goes.

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Can he stab the King? He's never stabbed a King, it sounds exciting.

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This would apparently cause larger problems than it would solve, alas.

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Says the King?

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Say lots of people.

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Who work for the King, though?

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Well, work for him or are around him, but they're the ones who would be flung into a civil war and people who are not nearby might not care as much about the civil war thing.

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So if the King dies there'll be a civil war? And there's an Enemy nearby who doesn't seem to have many scruples, and who could probably assassinate the King on account of being literally an evil god? It seems very irresponsible for the King not to have planned for this.

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That's a pretty good point, although the evil god has not assassinated him so far so maybe there is some non-obvious reason he can't do that.

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Or maybe him dying would not be as much of a blow to his cause as his people all think.

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That's possible, but the person on whose behalf she would be inclined to maybe kill him seems to think it, and it seems presumptuous without a really solid reason to think so to use her judgment over his there.

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Shame about him being mindcontrolled. 

 

The sword is a bit sour about not getting to stab anyone, with all these bad people around.

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Well, maybe somebody who needs stabbing will come along later.

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Great! 

 

It's three days' travel by horse to Tumunzahar; she's faster, but she'll probably want to sleep over somewhere halfway through.

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She can just climb a tree or something and wedge herself between branches unless someone thinks that would be a terrible idea.

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They're happy to offer her a bed but have no objections if she prefers sleeping in trees.

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She's used to beds but trees aren't uncomfortable or anything and carrying a bed seems unnecessary.

Off she goes.

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It's a populated area. Full of pretty Elven villages whose inhabitants regard her a bit curiously as she runs by. Farther south there are human settlements, less pretty, more crowded, where she is regarded even more curiously.

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Running literally all day is boring. She pauses to say hi to some humans.

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They're nervous. "Hi!"

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She's not going to hurt them, there is no need to be nervous. They can't read minds so she projects that a little bit. "My name's Elspeth."

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"You run really fast."

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"I get it from my dad."

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"Where are you going in such a hurry?"

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"I'm on my way to Tumunzahar but I'm not in a hurry, exactly, that's just how fast I go when I'm trying to get somewhere."

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"Wow. I'm Alois, nice to meet you. Running that fast you'll be in Tumunzahar in no time."

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"It's nice to meet you too. I'll be there tomorrow, probably. I do have to sleep."

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"Want to get lunch while you're here? We just got a delivery from the Elves, there's plenty!"

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"I've already eaten, but thank you anyway!"

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"Okay. You're not an Elf, are you? You don't look like one and they don't run like that."

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"I'm a half-human, half-vampire from another world," Elspeth says. "I got stuck here in a magical accident and my family haven't found me yet."

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"I'm sorry. That sounds really scary."

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"It's not great. They might not ever be able to reproduce the accident controllably enough to come get me and I'm planning to assume I'm here for the long term."

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"Well, it's a pretty nice place to be. We're winning the war."

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"At home we don't have a war," Elspeth says, "but winning is better than losing if you do have to have one."

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"And the Elves send pension gifts and food every month, sometimes twice if it's been a good month."

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"Pension?"

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"After you've served your term in the army, you don't have to work for the rest of your life! You and all your kids get everything you need!"

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"How long a term is it?"

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"Seven years."

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"Does everybody join the army?"

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"Pretty much everybody, unless they're blind or crippled or something. It's a much better deal than working your whole life."

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Nod. "The pension applies to your kids but not indefinitely?"

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"Until we turn eighteen! Then we can enlist or find a way to support ourselves."

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"What do people who don't enlist tend to do?"

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"Work for the Elves, mostly. They pay well. 'specially if you're pretty."

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"If you're pretty?"

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"Elves get, like, soulbonded forever when they sleep together. So they hire Men. Elves are pretty, it's good pay, if you want to avoid the army you're set for life that way."

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"Oh. That's interesting. A couple species from my world have a thing like that but they don't have to have sex first, just see people."

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"...that sounds super inconvenient. What if you ended up with someone you couldn't stand?"

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"Depends on which species is doing the thing and who they're doing it with. Two vampires, it's always reciprocal in the first place and filters for personality compatibility. If a vampire mates to a human they can turn the human into a vampire and then it will be, although my mother made it illegal to do that without the human's consent so now they have to be very careful to make a good first impression. If a vampire mates to a part-vampire like me though, it's all down to the personality filtering and that doesn't always work. Werewolves don't have personality filter at all and there's no reciprocity guarantee no matter who they're stuck on but they'll try really really hard to be good for that person, whatever it takes; I have a wolf back home. It's still awkward sometimes if they imprint on a lesbian or something though."

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"Huh. I don't think there's any of that at work with Elves - like, if one Elf forces another, they're still soulbonded, they don't need to be compatible at all. That's punishable by death, though, and doesn't happen too often."

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"Well, it would be strange if they were exactly like vampires."

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"The vampire way sounds kind of terrifying but at least it doesn't end with anyone alone and magically in love, I guess."

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"It does if somebody dies. Vampires are pretty hard to kill but it's not impossible."

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"Oh no. Elves whose partner is dead are pretty mopey."

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"I bet vampires are worse."

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"Yeah probably. Especially since Elves don't die forever."

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"In some really limited circumstances vampires can come back but it's not something most people can expect."

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"Elves have it really good. Lucky them, yeah?"

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"I really like being a half-vampire, personally, but the extra immortality fallback would be nice."

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"Is the thing where everything you say kind of rings a half-vampire thing or a you thing?"

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"Just me. I'm a witch. On my world a bunch of vampires and hybrids and some humans are witches and have unique powers. Mine's telling the truth."

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"It makes you seem really - nice, I dunno. Trustworthy. I bet the Elves liked it. They're weird around humans because we can't promise we're not lying. Or we can, but we could lie with the promise."

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"I can't swear oaths like they can either, but maybe they did like it particularly for that reason. I found it really convenient that they could read my mind. My dad's witchcraft is mindreading and it makes it easy to communicate. The Dwarves can't be affected by my magic at all but they seem nice for other reasons so I'm going to go there."

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"Well, have fun!"

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"Thanks!"

And she's off again.

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And eventually it's sunset. There are some nice trees around.

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She goes up a tree. She drapes herself between branches securely. She goes to sleep.

When she wakes up she listens and sniffs around for edibles.

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The area has squirrels! She can go munch one.

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She wants two, but two will do. She takes off towards Tumunzahar again while she's skeletonizing the second one.

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And by midafternoon she's on the stone Dwarf-road that leads its way out of the Noldorin empire and to an elaborate metal door in the rock.

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Knock knock.

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It opens. There are several Dwarves. "Hello?"

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"Hello. My name is Elspeth. I'm from another world and got stuck here in a magical accident. I've been staying with the Noldor teaching them things my civilization knows about human medicine but I don't get along with the King and I liked the ambassador from here that I met."

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"Welcome to Tumunzahar. We are always happy to have guests. Are you interested in selling knowledge of human medicine and other human inventions?"

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"Yes."

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"Excellent! I can put you in touch with people who will be able to evaluate medicine, and depending what other inventions you are interested in selling, people who will be able to evaluate those. Come on in."

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In she goes. "I have a magic that allows me to transmit information vividly and efficiently but it doesn't work with Dwarves. If you have non-Dwarves here that might matter."

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"There are ambassadors from the Elven kingdom and occasionally we get some Men but I don't think we have any at the moment. Do you need the lights?" It's dark.

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"I can navigate by sound if necessary but I don't see in the dark very well."

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"We don't mind lighting it for guests! It is well worth the expense in terms of making them more inclined to stay awhile."

 

They light it.

It is spacious, spectacularly done, and full of bustling Dwarves.

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"It's pretty."

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"Who would you like to sell knowledge to first? Medicine? You could hold a talk and charge for tickets..."

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"Is that how it's usually done?" Elspeth asks. "I'd be happy to give talks, and medicine I have all fairly organized because I was recently talking about it."

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"You could give it away for free, but that'd be an odd thing to do, because then you wouldn't have a good way to get information about how much value you're creating."

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"It's more common where I'm from to write books than to give lectures," Elspeth explains. "That might be because we have an easier time distributing books."

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"You would need a lot of capital to fund the printing of a book, and even if we exported it to all seven kingdoms there'd probably only be a few thousand people interested in purchasing it. Does your world have more people, or cheaper means of writing books?"

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"Both by a lot."

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"That would explain it," he says happily. "If you don't find a lecture objectionable I think that's the format that suits the situation best."

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"Okay. How do I go about arranging that?"

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"I can arrange and advertise it for you! Typically an event planner takes ten percent of the proceeds from organizing an event like this."

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"That sounds like a lot but I'm not sure I'm calibrated for local event planning."

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"You are welcome to walk around asking people if they'll do it for you for less!"

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"Is it not weird to ask random passersby things like that? At home I'd probably go to someone who specifically advertised event planning."

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"We have books of that content but I don't know how many of them are printed in Quenya."

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"I know Thindarin too. But not your language."

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"We don't teach our language to outsiders. I'll find you an advertising book written in Quenya, I'm sure there's one somewhere."

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"Okay. Thank you."

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And he finds her an advertising book in Quenya. It has a section for event planners. Their rates vary, but 10% is at least the modal commission.

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Huh, all right. - What other sorts of things are advertised in here?

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Places to stay! Food! Shipping! Books! Apprenticeships! Weapons and armor! Clothes!

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Is there an obvious way to get blood short of leaving every day and hunting?

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Dwarves don't keep animals for agriculture, or advertise a service involving live ones, no.

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Oh well. She can eat regular food and go out sometimes to hunt.

She accepts the event planning offer from the random Dwarf.

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The random Dwarf books her a packed hall of people interested in a lecture on medicine.

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And she lectures them on it! She is not sure how much of it applies to Dwarves, but some of it may.

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And they can sell products to Men, so it's useful for that, too!

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Yes, there is that.

Hopefully after this is all squared away she can rent a place to sleep and expect to be able to buy food of some kind in the morning?

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She has more than enough money to rent a place for a while and get food every morning, delivered if she likes.

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Maybe once she's better acquainted with the selection. If they don't keep animals it may be hard to find high-protein stuff.

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Very good! Sleep well!

 

The army reaches Nan Elmoth that evening. It's in disarray at the murder of the King and several candidates for his successor. There is resistance, but not very much of it. Findekáno is happy.

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Elspeth tells the Dwarves about printing presses and plastic and photography and tries to meet the right people to figure out whether and how to give them physics too.

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She can talk to the governing council, if she has something that'd require a public works project. They are not big fans of public works projects, though.

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Why's that?

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When you abandon markets as a way of solving problems you run into all kinds of trouble, and when you have powerful governing councils, powerful enough to coerce everyone into paying for large public works projects - well, she mentioned that she didn't like the Elf King, didn't she.

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Yes. There's other cases, though, like her mama having to enforce laws like 'don't eat people' and fund projects like 'make everyone immortal'.

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Fair enough, but Dwarves err very strongly on the 'no powerful governments' side. And private investment can solve immortality if there's a demand for it.

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Anyway, funny they should mention her not liking the Elf king because she didn't like him and yet she does contain potentially war-ending information.

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She must really dislike him because the Elves would pay spectacularly well for war-ending information.

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Her concern is not remuneration, it's thinking this is not a guy who should be able to blow things up that effectively.

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Fair enough. Men might constitute a market for ending the war? They make up most of the foot soldiers in it.

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Elves could get the information from them pretty easily, is her impression, and: not a guy who should be able to blow things up that effectively.

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Okay! They're interested in blowing things up for excavation and mining purposes, there'll probably be buyers here.

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...okay, she can tell them about dynamite, but that's not really Angband-leveling stuff.

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Her interlocutor does not anticipate a market for Angband-levelling stuff.

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She'd give it away if she thought she could give it to somebody who'd level Angband and not be evil.

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She can probably find someone who will level Angband in exchange for Angband-levelling stuff and the knowledge of how to build it, if the trade's that straightforward.

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Level Angband and not share the knowledge around at any price, that's the sticking point.

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Also probably doable, though that won't stop anyone from reverse-engineering it, if that's possible.

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Not once it's exploded!

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In that case it is his tentative expectation that she could find someone interested in building a Angband-levelling weapon and not telling anyone how to do it.

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Like who?

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She should probably put out an advertisement.

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...okay, she'll do that then.

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She gets lots of people interested in building Angband-levelling weapons.

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...and not telling anybody how? That's important.

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Yeah, definitely, they are all happy to be the only person who knows how to build them. A monopoly!

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Selling the things would also be a problem.

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...so just drop the one on Angband and then promise never to build them again? That is a much less appealing contract.

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Markets in everything, they said, it'll be great, they said -

- fine, she would like to make the following obscure purchases. And rent some more space. She will give so many lectures to pay for it.

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They're happy to accommodate her on that. 

 

She has her space. She gives her lectures.

Some Dwarves ask her if she's aware that some other Dwarves sold that list of obscure purchases to the Noldor, because that is a thing that happened. 

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...she wasn't aware of that. She will tip her informant generously for the identities of those Dwarves.

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She can get a list of Dwarves who are selling information about her activities here to the Noldor!

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Marvelous.

 


Dwarves are immune to her witchcraft. They are not, presumably, unaware of her reputation even sans magic for being carelessly, tactlessly, honest and guileless and open.

How does she go about being near some subset of these Dwarves to describe what she's doing with her shopping list?

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Her informant laughs. One of the fellows happens to be his partner's partner and they all get dinner once a week, would she like to come?

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That would be lovely!

So Elspeth goes to dinner and she nibbles on the dinner and she talks like she's drunk in a barful of her bestest friends all of whom are fascinated by nuclear physics, and she lies and lies and lies and lies. At home she'd get this ingredient from moon rocks, but the locals haven't traveled to the moon! It's faster to get it this way through following that procedure than flying to the moon here and the moon rocks might not even be the same. Uranium's radioactive and that activates by proximity certain properties of this other thing!

And none of the Dwarves can hear her magic screaming or feel it shrinking her aura down to nothing.

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And all of the Dwarves are politely fascinated and by the end of the conversation vaguely harboring ambitions to go to the Moon!

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Elspeth's never been, herself. It's important to remember there's no air there.

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Does she know how the people from her world did it?

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Rockets! But she's not going to give a lecture on rockets, they've got escalatory military applications and she's trying not to tell those jerk Elves anything like that, didn't you know.

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Laughter. What's Elspeth's grievance with Elves? She seems to hate them even more than Dwarves, and Dwarves are not the biggest fan of Elves.

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Oh, she doesn't hate all of them as a group or anything, but the King is really fucked up what with the mind controlled sex slave, and he tried to deceive her and she hates that. And most of the Elves are complicit in that on some level even if she understands their reasoning.

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The mindcontrolled sex slave is news to most of them. They sputter.

"What?"

"Elves."

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Well, the one Elf, anyway. The mind controlled sex slave is probably perfectly nice when he's not mind controlled. His sister was nice too.

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The one Elf, but the other Elves put him in charge! And listen to his orders! And he doesn't even think the fact he has a mind controlled sex slave is damaging enough he should try to keep it secret!

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He tried; it's just sometimes Elspeth gets truth things out of nowhere and she got one about that.

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Well. That's sort of reassuring about the rest of the Elves, who can maybe be assumed not to realize their king has a mind controlled sex slave.

...the Dwarves also hadn't realized that Elf mind control was good enough you could send your sex slave off to conquer a country for you. Well, that's terrifying.

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Yyyyyyep.

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Good thing Dwarves are immune to all mind-affecting magic.

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Lucky Dwarves!

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It's a weird sort of person who'd even want a mindcontrolled sex slave. Like, even given 'evil'. 

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It's not to Elspeth's taste, certainly, although you could make a case that she has one back home whether she likes it or not. Explanation of imprinting.

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That is pretty disturbing. Dwarves: really glad of being immune to mind-controlling magic. Would Jake do things that he considered morally wrong for Elspeth? That seems like an important distinction in kinds of mind control.

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He would do anything to keep her safe. She can't just tell him to do whatever she wants. Well, she can but only because she doesn't want horrible things.

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...if the King's mind controlled sex slave is leading the invasion, and was chosen for that rule because he's not very bloodthirsty by someone who didn't know he was mind controlled...

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As far as Elspeth knows the mind control does not cause him to be bloodthirsty.

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Well, that's good. 

Why don't they talk about something less depressing than awful Elves.

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Sounds good to Elspeth.

And then she goes back to attempting to solo the Manhattan Project. Along with purchasing quantities of misleading things.

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Dwarves are very interested. Some of them report to the Noldor and some are just interested.

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Well, she can't reliably distinguish between them, so anybody who asks gets her fascinating recipe in full that she's so eager to explain.

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It makes its way to Maitimo. He has it attempted. It does not seem likely to produce Angband-levelling weaponry. 

 

He takes a trip down to Nan Elmoth. Taken with four hundred casualties, only two of them on his side. A dozen executions in the pacification stage. The roads are being extended and the government has been restructured and he can spend an afternoon receiving oaths of fealty. So he does.

Very nice, he says to Findekáno that evening.

Maitimo wants Findekáno to glow at his approval, so Findekáno does, and kisses him, and nestles himself snugly in Maitimo's arms. How's the levelling Angband going?

I don't know! We're trying exactly what I'm hearing and we are not getting anything useful. Perhaps it'll take some time. 

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Occasionally she "unpacks" something from her old memories that makes the whole thing more complicated. Orders more stuff. Returns stuff. (Compensates discreetly for certain genuine weaknesses in equipment with her sense of smell, precise hands -)

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She hates me. I am not very used to people hating me, it's disconcerting.

 

I hate you. Not at the moment, but certainly most of the time.

Not in nearly the same way. And that doesn't make me happy either.

Towards what end is my liege sharing this with me?

Maitimo kisses his forehead. Oh, shut up.

But he doesn't actually want Findekáno to shut up so Findekáno doesn't want that either. I would fix it for you but that seems uniquely impossible. 

We'll just have to win it without her. But my experiments aren't working!

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It's going to take a while. She's going to need more uranium. Good thing she's immortal. And knows a lot of things to deliver lectures on. She could branch out into dancing if the Dwarves like dancing. She's very graceful.

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The Dwarves are not particularly enthusiastic about dancing. Maitimo rides back north. Findekáno spends another two years making Nan Elmoth a well-run corner of the Noldorin empire and then hands off the project to an appointed governor and stops by Irisse's on the way home. 

"Hi," she says, and smiles at him, less than happily. "We're staying in Himlad. Tyelcormo's been helping with the baby."

"Does he want anything?"

"Me to stop hating the King."

"Please don't hate the King," he says earnestly. Maitimo hates being hated and so he hates it too. 

Her smile twists. "Counterproductive, Finno."

 

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(Elspeth, meanwhile, has not stopped hating the king. If anybody in Tumunzahar didn't know about his bad behavior before, they do by now.)

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He spends a week with Irisse and his nephew. Lomion has astonishingly dark hair and is old enough to know it's inappropriate to pull on Findekáno's braids and does it anyway. Lomion is very enthusiastic about Huan and calls Tyelcormo Prince Turkafinwe. Irisse thinks that Maitimo's considering putting Lomion in charge of Nan Elmoth, when he's of age. Does Findekáno think that'd help pacify the locals?

Findekáno does, but not by enough to cancel out the ill effects of having an incompetent governor, should Lomion turn out to be one.

"I'm contractually obligated to think he's brilliant and perfect," Irisse says.

"And I am similarly obligated to think only of the interests of the crown," he says. She shoots him a sharp glance.

He takes Lomion out riding and tells him stories of Valinor and cooks quail for Irisse's household, badly. Tyelcormo gives him an assessing look and he meets it. He tells his sister again that he's sorry rescue could not come sooner.

 

And he rides the rest of the way to Himring. He takes his time weaving his way through the fortress to the throne room, and cheerfully waits outside it for Maitimo's current audience to conclude, and then he is announced and he kneels and tells Maitimo what he's achieved in his name. Maitimo embraces him. It is all very professional. 

And once he's out of sight Maitimo wants, and so Findekáno wants, to go up to Maitimo's rooms and shackle his own ankles and wrists and only then tell the oath that its conditions have been achieved and it ought to no longer bind him.

And then he stops wanting what Maitimo wants.

He is used to this and does not collapse sobbing. But when Maitimo comes for him he is very still. 

Maitimo sits on the ground beside him and waits and after a minute Findekáno says "I did not do anything I on reflection regret.'

"Good."

"Please give me tonight alone."

Maitimo hates that request. Findekáno does not make it often. "Beg," he says, a little dangerously, and Findekáno kneels and rather than speaking at all just lets Maitimo into his head. Maitimo likes that. 

Maitimo doesn't give him the night alone. He's not really surprised.

 

 

Elspeth wants uranium. Well, Maitimo can make that difficult. He does. Tumunzahar is not going to be importing uranium. He writes to her. The Noldor require all the uranium for the war effort, sorry, perhaps if she comes to visit some sort of agreement can be reached.

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Fine.

In she comes, sucking the marrow out of a raccoon bone.

She's not seething with hate. She's not seething with anything. She can get her mama's protection for her mind just by pretending she has it, here. She is blank and unradiant.

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"Elspeth! How are you finding Tumunzahar?"

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She suspects he can probably guess the depth of her displeasure from the mere fact that she opts not to reply to this question.

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"Now that you've had the chance to see a bit more of my kingdom, do you have any other complaints about the way it's run?"

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Hiss.

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"Thank you. We try.

Findekáno is to my knowledge not being mind-controlled at all right now, if you wanted to talk to him."

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"To what end?" she wonders.

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"Well, last time you were quite rude to him. I seem to recall you telling him that every word out of his mouth was poisoned, and hissing at him. Maybe you want to apologize? Or ask him if he now considers himself a priority kingdom reform to demand in exchange for Angband-levelling?"

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"Oh, are you having trouble with the recipe?"

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"As much as you're having with uranium acquisition."

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"I could take a look at it for you."

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"Ah, Tumunzahar hasn't sunk in after all, if we're not talking price up front. Yes, please."

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She didn't say she'd fix it. "Where?"

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So he walks with her down to where they've been faithfully replicating everything the spies send.

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"Oh," she says, sniffing the air, "I see your problem." She picks up a bowl of the stuff.

She drinks it.

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What the fuck.

 

Right, her world has synthetic blood.

 

 

 

That's honestly pretty impressive.

 

"All right," he says. "I really like you and I am really disappointed that our differences seem irreconcilable. Very clever. You wasted lots of time. Now, what's your end goal here? Because eventually the Noldor will develop nuclear weapons. We are good at engineering and we know now, at a minimum, that uranium's involved, and we have a very long time. If you teach us, I will swear only to use such weapons against Angband. If we learn it on our own..."

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"...you'll immediately demonstrate how unfit you are to have them?"

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"I'm not planning to use them anywhere but Angband. I'm substantially advantaged by not having sworn not to, though."

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"Is this the part where you try to convince me I can trust you not to route around anything you say via the cunning use of subordinates?"

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"If you teach me how to build nuclear weapons, I swear not to use them anywhere except Angband and other strongholds of the Enemy, if there turn out to be any, only with your permission. I swear not to order them used anywhere else. I swear that, if I learn that anyone has acquired nuclear weapons or is acquiring them, I will stop that person from using them. I swear that I would accept this oath from a hostile party and that it is my sincere expectation that this oath will prevent nuclear weapons from ever being deployed except against Angband."

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"And you let him go."

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"Give me a nuke first."

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"Oath first then nuke then release and you don't fuck him up any worse in the meantime."

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"I swear that, if you teach us how to build nuclear weapons, then after I have levelled Angband I will make it known to Findekano that neither he nor anyone he loves will experience retaliation if he leaves. I swear that between now and then I will discourage him from swearing any mind-altering oaths."

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"And you have to actually. Let. Him. Leave."

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"I will walk him to the gates myself."

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"Look how convinced I am that you're committed to that now."

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"Once the war's over you have lots less reason not to murder me. I don't think I'll be very inclined to anger you."

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"And I think you're angering me now."

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"You are making it a condition of saving the world that I never see my boyfriend again."

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"No, if you pay very close attention to what I said you will notice that it was 'let him go', not 'refuse him if he's got the forgiveness of a saint', and you know what I hate, I hate it when people do not pay attention to what I say."

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"I swear I'll let him go."

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"And you do not coerce him back and you do not chase after him and do I have to hold your hand through this entire tedious process."

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"If you level Angband I swear never to touch him again unless of his own uncoerced unmodified will he wants me to, does that do it? There are thousands of people in Angband! Why is this such a big deal to you?"

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She steps out from behind her imaginary borrowed shield and blazes with contemptuous rage. Because fuck you, that's why.

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No one has ever actually hated him like that before.

 

It isn't pleasant.

 

 

 

He does not want to look like she is causing him agonizing pain, that wouldn't do, so he tries to keep looking steadily neutral. "Alright, how long is it going to take you, how long do I have to get him to forgive me?"

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"Depends on how much use you are compared to working on my own. And you have. Not. Closed. All. Your. Loopholes. Yet." Is this how Maggie feels about that Cardiff vampire she hates so much - you have truth magic your whole species has truth magic and you use it to be as discreetly slimy as possible -

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"I sincerely cannot think of any more."

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"I can." Findekáno will still be under all the non-time-limited oaths and his "just orders" definition left lots of room - Maitimo could get creative with arranging to endanger his own life if he wanted - the cunning use of subordinates -

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"I swear that after Angband's levelled I won't give him any orders. I have been aware for centuries that I could coerce a vow of eternal obedience out of him by having someone else threaten my life for it, and I haven't done that, and I swear I will continue not doing that."

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"Would you take this oath from a hostile party on behalf of someone whose well-being you highly prioritized?"

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"I swear that, if you hold up your end of the agreement, I will not attempt to arrange circumstances so that Findekáno spends more time in my company than he desires, swears oaths that he would not freely choose to make, swears oaths while under the influence of other ones, or in any other manner has his desires modified against his will. I will not permit others to arrange circumstances to bring that about, I will not make it known that I would desire that, and if I learn it has occurred or is occurring I will do everything in my power to prevent it or reverse it, and I will not personally benefit from it. I swear that I would accept this oath from a hostile party on behalf of someone whose wellbeing I valued highly."

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Fine.

Nukes, then. They'll want what she had already built in Tumunzahar.

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"I can send someone for it." He looks exhausted. "Thank you."

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Elspeth is very nearly constitutionally incapable of telling him he's welcome under the circumstances and doesn't bother. She will go think about nukes in front of whoever.

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Engineers are assembled.

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And she mentally walks through how far she's gotten and what they will need to do to get the rest of the way. She hadn't gotten as far as thinking about deploying the thing yet.

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They have some ideas. There's a stir in the room and then people scurry off to requisition needed materials and building crews.

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And now she needs sleep.

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A guest room has been set aside for her. It is very prettily decorated.

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How nice.

She sleeps. She wakes.

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Someone brings her live birds. She passes the King in the hallways and he smiles at her like he's delighted to see her.

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fuck youuuuuuuuu~

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The engineers are delighted to discuss nukes again.

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Fine. They can have everything she knows about them all unpacked and distilled and lined up neatly and true true true.

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Her general mood is leaking into her thoughts on nukes and frightening the engineers a bit but okay. 

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It will be slower if she tucks her thoughts away and has to deliver everything verbally so they can just deal with that.

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They do not want slower. 

They work.

 

Maitimo probably has a few years to get Findekáno to forgive him. He spends a while thinking about how to do it. 

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Elspeth thinks very loudly. About engineering when the engineers are present, but that obligation doesn't take long to discharge. And then she thinks loudly about other things. Possible she shouldn't stay here now that they know what she knows. Maybe she could go crash with Aredhel or something.

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Always an option. People are in fact a little faintly awkward around her. 


Maitimo decides how to approach it.

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Elspeth dithers. The mere fact that someone did something on one's behalf doesn't necessarily equal personal endearment, it's not like she needs to be around to look out for Findekáno, they're not even friends or anything. Seems a little weird not to be sure if he even knows what's going on though.

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Maitimo considers the strategies and settles on the one with the best odds of success. He clears a few days on his schedule, since he doesn't expect this to leave him very functional whether or not it works.

He goes to his rooms.

And then he murmurs under his breath, "I swear to deeply, searingly regret everything I've done to Findekáno. I swear to hate myself as much as Elspeth hates me."

It is, of course, staggering. He stumbles inside because that's what he'd been planning on doing and he is hardly in a position to think of other things to do.

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Maitimo looks like he's dying.

He is not in fact literally chained to the wall very often - Elves die - but whenever he's not there's an oath. This one is not to leave the room. He can go over and stop Maitimo from collapsing on the floor and have him collapse on the bed instead. "I'm going to call for help -"

"Don't. I'm not injured. Don't - shouldn't have to touch me -"

He steps back against the wall and watches while Maitimo curls into a ball and weeps.

 

After a few minutes Maitimo says "you can go."

"...I swore not to leave these rooms," he says, in case Maitimo has somehow forgotten this. "It expires when I chain myself to your wall again, and then you can give me different orders if you so please."

"Right," he says, "okay, let's do that - Eru -"

"What did you do?"

"Realized -"

"You want me to chain myself to your wall again?"

He shudders and shakes his head. "Want to let you go. Need your oath to expire -"

"What?"

"I am trying to let you go and if that's the first step then we should do it only I am not coping as well as I thought I'd be able to and I'm not sure I can actually unchain you from the wall yet - couple minutes, though -"

"Coping with what?"

"With realizing what I did to you."

 

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If this is a game it'd be an unusually sadistic one. 

He defaults to standing against the wall with his hands folded in front of him. Kneeling makes Maitimo happier but Maitimo doesn't look in a position to be happy either way. "Did you swear something?"

"Yes."

"What?"

"To regret what I did to you."

"Why?"

"Wanted to, obviously!"

"Nothing about that is obvious."

Maitimo curls even tighter into a ball and quivers. 

After a minute he says "I swear I'll let you go."

That has a lot of loopholes.

Findekáno believes him anyway. 

Findekáno walks over to the wall and chains himself to it and feels the oath expire. 

Maitimo drags himself out of bed and steadies his hands enough to use the key around his neck and releases him. Then he collapses sobbing on the floor again.

Well, time to test if he meant it. "Do you want me to call someone for you."

"No."

"Okay," he says, "goodbye," and when he opens the door Maitimo twitches miserably but that's it and if he's not stopped by guards on his way out maybe -

 

He lets the door swing shut behind him.

He walks.

He doesn't actually have a destination in mind, he doesn't actually know any of these people, but -

Elspeth is thinking very loudly.

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She should probably send a letter before showing up wherever Aredhel is. She could also go back to Tumunzahar but she doesn't actually like it very much being around people who not only can't read her mind but can't let her read it to them either. And Aredhel seemed nice. Maitimo seemed nice for a while too, of course, but she can't just go around assuming absolutely everyone is horrible.

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Elspeth?

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...yes?

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I actually don't know how to explain - 

- I'm not under any mind-altering oaths right now, for whatever that's worth -

can I accompany you to my sister's?

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Oh did Maitimo let him go early for some reason that's nice and therefore really suspicious. I don't mind.

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...he was planning to let me go at all?

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It took a truly unreasonable amount of arranging and 'he was planning' is a generous description.

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Thank you. 

 

 

He let me go and then collapsed on the floor in horrible agony. I'm just testing whether he meant it before I decide what to do about that.

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...collapsing on the floor she doesn't know anything about, she would have expected him to mention it if he had some kind of condition that made that a likely result of letting his mind controlled sex slave free. And also that this would not make it happen faster.

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He said that he swore to regret what he'd done to me. Which could definitely cause the collapsing in horrible agony, I guess, depending -

- should we go talk to him instead of leaving for my sister -

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...well that's up to Findekáno but maybe he should, like, think about that in some relatively neutral setting first.

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"Let's go ride towards my sister and see if anything stops us."

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Okay.

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Nothing stops them.

 

After a while he stops his horse and dismounts. I would prefer talking this over with another person to talking it over with my horse, but that'll suffice if you want nothing to do with figuring this out.

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She doesn't mind, although she has obvious drawbacks as a sounding board. Possibly not as many as a horse has.

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Yours being that you hate him? I'm not even sure that's a drawback.

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General inability to shut up at least metaphorically, projecting personal and impersonal memories onto local situations beyond what's probably really appropriate, and, yes, hating Maitimo.

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Yeah. 

 

I think now that I've verified that he apparently actually decided to let me go, I should go back and figure out what's going on. 

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To what extent will going back actually help with that?

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How else would we figure it out?

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She has occasional luck with the sourceless truth. Barring that there may be other clues he doesn't have to go back to get, just recontextualize.

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So he sends her the whole memory.

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- this reminds her vaguely of something and she's not sure what and she mulls it over and then suddenly Allirea must unfade back home because it's like that listen quick she's going to lose ability to focus on the story presently but it's almost like how Demetri died and - huh, lost her train of thought.

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He catches it, though.

 

Wow.

 

Except I'm pretty sure he wasn't confused, beforehand, he didn't think we were playing a game, he knew he was hurting me and just didn't care until - until he decided to care -

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Some of that seems like kind of a non sequitur but whatever. Well, he only had until the nuke was ready to try anything he was going to try to get you to come back willingly. What would you have done if he'd run out his time and then grudgingly let you go?

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...gone?

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And now you're going but only halfway...

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Yeah.

 

Did you get him to swear not to do it to somebody else?

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No.

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...if he really swore to regret it I bet I could go back now and get him to swear not to do it to anyone else. The risk is that he'll have recovered himself enough to decide he doesn't want to let me go, but if he's stuck releasing me once the war's done anyway...

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Elspeth really needs to stop modeling these people as Vampires Sorta Kinda because she was sort of assuming horrifying monogamy but he has a point.

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Oh, he's not going to fall in love with anyone else but it'd probably be a lot worse if he's not in love.

 

I should go back.

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Just long enough to get that concession, or -?

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I don't really like abandoning someone writhing on the floor in agony, and he needs to at least be functional enough the country runs smoothly...

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That would be an interesting form of extortion, perk me up or watch your country descend into chaos just as surely as if someone had stabbed me...

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And entirely in character. But recognizing it doesn't make the country descending into chaos any more desirable as an outcome.

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Maybe Findekáno could just run it, this was recommended to her albeit not necessarily by an expert.

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Crossed my mind. If I want to try that I need to go back as quickly as possible, the only way I could pull it off would be by being assumed to be operating on Maitimo's behalf.

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Elspeth is not a suitable repository for secrets.

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I could try actually operating on Maitimo's behalf. 'Let me run the kingdom and I'll stay here with you...'

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It's up to Findekáno, she supposes. Weaponized love was totally a factor when her mama took over the world. It works.

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I am so used to only having the reactions to him which are constructive for coping with him that I'm not sure I can muster the ones that are actually appropriate. But I find it appealing to go back and behave normally and soothe him and ask for the kingdom.

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Should she come back or not?

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Up to you, I suppose. I should definitely like advisors who know what's going on but on the other hand you hate him.

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She'll probably calm down on that if he stops being so intensely fucked up all the time. She hangs out with Addy, who is only not so intensely fucked up all the time anymore because of bribery and supervision.

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You should tell him that, I expect he'd find it motivating. It really bothered him that you hated him.

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Sure.

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He's pretty good at running the country. I think even a very benevolent person would probably be worse to have in power, if they had just slightly less attention to detail for public health and famine and so forth.

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Yes she supposes not everyone can be her mother and if she had to pick between her saintly Grandpa Carlisle or, like, Siobhan, as a replacement, sainthood does not necessarily win out.

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Is your mother a saint? What would she do in this situation?

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Mama doesn't have Grandpa's particular claims to sainthood (she did not have to independently discover drinking animal blood without first killing humans; she did not find herself in a position to need to leave her mate human and none the wiser out of respect for his consent; Grandpa is literally the only person to achieve either) but she is sort of ruthlessly good. Elspeth's own childhood memories are, not fuzzy, but filtered, by subsequent attacks on what she knows was immense affection for her mother at the time - but she has her mother's life from other perspectives, from most of her family in fact - she has what she's built up from the ruins after Chelsea couldn't touch her anymore -

- it's not enough to build up a complete "what would Mama do", but Elspeth thinks Mama would not stop Findekáno from deploying whatever unpleasant forms of resource he has to prevent a country from falling into disrepair, however viciously she'd defend his right not to do that.

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I'm going to go back. If you'd like to come I am sure I could use your help; if you would rather travel to my sister's, please do tell her the news.

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Elspeth will come with him if he likes.

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Maitimo was not expecting guilt and self-loathing to make him stop functioning. This will be a problem; he needs to function, there's a war on. This room might be some of the problem; perhaps he should sleep somewhere else? There'll be rumors - there are of course already rumors, Elspeth goes around blasting it at everyone in her hearing -

He rolls over and sobs into his pillow.

 

 

They come back to Himring.

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Elspeth already hates him a little less, substantially out of uncertainty about just what he's trying to pull.

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Convenient, because once he learns this he hates himself a little less. It's still at the 'incapacitating' stage but it's something.

Findekáno walks into the King's rooms. He pauses for a minute at the door because this room is full of cues for him to behave a certain way and it's going to be absurdly hard to do anything else, here, and part of him wants to turn and flee.

Maitimo is still curled up on the floor. Maitimo looks at him wonderingly.

"Very clever," Findekáno says. "I know you planned this."

"Didn't actually give it a very high chance of working," Maitimo says, "just higher than anything else that didn't endanger the war effort."

"This doesn't endanger the war effort?"

"I made arrangements assuming I'd be incapacitated for a few days, and I don't think I'll be incapacitated for longer that that. There are lots of functional people full of guilt and self-loathing."

"Do you want me to put you in bed?"

A shudder. "You shouldn't have to touch me."

"I'm pretty inured to it. I have a list of demands but I'm happy to make them while cuddling."

Maitimo looks at him like he is a shining beacon of all the light and goodness in the world. 

He lifts Maitimo into bed. He stands back against the wall, by reflex, hands folded in front of him, eyes on the ground. It takes Maitimo a second to notice. "I'm sorry," he says, once he does. "I'm sorry. Three hundred fifty years -"

"Yep."

And then, absurdly hopeful, "you said you had a list of demands but would make them while cuddling?"

So Findekáno climbs into bed and curls up in his arms. It feels nice. Safe. He sends that. Maitimo makes a strangled noise. 

"I want you to swear never to allow an arrangement like this to exist anywhere in your kingdom, between any people."

"I swear it."

"I want to run the country."

Maitimo makes a confused noise.

"You don't seem very functional," he says, "and maybe you get it together in a few days or maybe not, but I'm not confident you'll be functional in a century."

"I won't. The war won't last that long."

"And when it ends?"

"Right now I want to kill myself but I'd give that a good deal of consideration."

"What exactly did you swear?"

"I swear to deeply, searingly regret everything I've done to Findekáno. I swear to hate myself as much as Elspeth hates me."

 

 

 

"..."

"I was going to lose you!"

"Not time-limited?"

"Not time-limited."

"I will let Elspeth know that she has a truly astonishing amount of leverage."

"Okay," he says miserably.

"You don't want me to go."

"I don't want you to go."

"You want me to, what, kiss you and say I forgive you -"

"No. You haven't forgiven me, can't deceive myself about that. I just want you here."

"Fine. I want to be the commander of the King's forces and I want you to defer to me on policy decisions and I want a detailed, thorough, honest apology -"

"I swear you can be commander and as long as it won't damage the war effort I'll defer to you on policy decisions and - I murdered your parents and then forced a fealty oath from you with the threat of a civil war and you prevented the civil war and told people to stop fighting and were instrumental in bloodlessly uniting the Noldor and I repeatedly raped you and coerced oaths from you and used your concern for your people to get you to obey me and I would in fact still be doing it if Elspeth hadn't insisted I stop.

I  know too much but if I didn't and you desired it I would walk into Angband and stay there until the score was even and it'd be - it'd be a long time -"

"You didn't even make any of that conditional on - on my continued cooperation with you."

"I did not."

"I was just wondering if that's because you were not thinking clearly or because you'd decided you were not interested in coercing me into bed even on more even terms."

"'not interested' is not the operative thing. I am never ever going to do it again."

"...then I am probably never ever going to touch you again. I don't think I'll want to. It'd be worth it to get what I wanted but I'm not going to independently summon the interest."

Maitimo goes very very still.

"You okay?"

"You're touching me at the moment and if it's the last time I want to enjoy it."

He gets up. He watches Maitimo's face while he does. He feels so heartless and that's really not fair -

Elspeth? Think this is going to work.

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For what value of 'work'?

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I have the command of our armed forces and whatever title I'd like and he'll defer to me on internal policy decisions where he doesn't think I'm endangering the war effort, and he swore never to permit the existence of this kind of arrangement between any people he has the power to stop, and he did not even ask anything in exchange.

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Huh. ...this has not become less probably a ploy for Findekáno's presence/forgiveness/affection/whatever but it has become more probably an earnest one. Better than most of the alternatives.

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What alternatives were you thinking of?

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He says he swore 'to deeply, searingly regret everything I've done to Findekáno' and 'to hate myself as much as Elspeth hates me.'

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...what, indefinitely?

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Yes. 

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Is he sure that Maitimo actually did that and didn't just say he did it because wow that seems really stupid it's not like she could convincingly pretend not to hate him if he doesn't behave or anything.

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He could be lying. He did not swear to having sworn that. 

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Okay because that would be so stupid. Also if she, like, dies, she will not be able to hate him any more, she should maybe be worried.

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I sincerely don't think he's a state to order people killed. Though I did just tell him that this wasn't going to win me back, so I suppose maybe - want me to go back and ask if it was true, and get an oath not to harm you or order you harmed or bring it about...

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He goes back.

Maitimo's staring blankly at the ceiling. 

"Can you swear that everything you said last time we spoke was true?"

"I swear everything I said last time we spoke was true. I swear specifically that I swore exactly the oath I told you I did."

"And will you swear not to have Elspeth assassinated so you can get out from under your self-loathing?"

"...I swear not to have Elspeth assassinated, or do things you'd consider equivalent, unless it's necessary to protect innocent people from her or keep her out of the hands of the Enemy or some other reason Elspeth-as-she-represents-herself would agree with."

"So are you just planning to hate yourself forever, or..."

"I was going to hate myself forever anyway, off the strength of the first part of the oath. This way if she ever stops hating me I'd be able to stop hating myself."

"You're really fucked up."

"You just noticed?"

"I thought you were psychologically healthy except for not seeing anything wrong with keeping mind controlled sex slaves.

I asked. The first time. I was assured you were of sound mind."

"I am. I'll be functional in a day or two. Go reassure Elspeth."

"...if you're trying to make me feel sorry for you..."

"I promise you, 'get a pity fuck out of Findekano by swearing myself to permanent agony' wasn't my play here."

"What was?"

"Get to keep seeing you."

"Well, here I am. I'm leaving again."

The King nods.

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Swears that the oath is exactly what I said, swears that he won't assassinate you or do anything I'd consider equivalent unless you're killing innocent people or working for the Enemy or otherwise in circumstances where you'd agree he was right. 

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Okay.

(She's not deliberately recalibrating her dislike but it's kind of hard to direct all that energy at someone who's gone to so much trouble to make himself apparently harmless.)

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Thank you.

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You're welcome.

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He demands lots of information he can now promise he's authorized to have, and works all through the night. He does feel guilty. He does not endorse feeling guilty.

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Elspeth may as well help the engineers while she's here and there's nothing else calling for her attention.

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The next time he checks on Maitimo he's still lying in bed. 

Okay, he says, this is going to be distracting to me. There's still a significant fraction of my head that is totally dedicated to picking up on what you want and how best to manage you and I feel like I'm in constant danger when you're withdrawn and angry like this. Knowing I'm not doesn't help. Can you get yourself together?

 

Like I said. A couple of days.

Is there a way to - get you most of the emotional benefit, with less of the mind control and sexual slavery - 

Not if you are not going to willingly touch me.

It's tolerable. You could make it worth my time.

And again Maitimo stares at him like he's a shining beacon of all hope and goodness in the universe.

Get up, Findekáno says, and help catch me up to speed on the running of this country, and be as useful and complete and constructive as I know you are capable of.

I'm not lying here to spite you or manipulate you, I'm not capable of acting normally, I can't think about anything else- 

- I'll sleep with you if you're useful and constructive all day?

Shining desperate eyes again. And then he closes them. Said I wasn't going to do that.

I'm not feeling coerced, just exasperated. 

It does not make a lot of sense that you'd offer me everything I want just to save yourself some wasted time catching up. 

Firstly, it's a lot of wasted time, secondly, I don't think this is everything you want, thirdly, it really doesn't mean much to me. Three hundred fifty years...

Maitimo whimpers.

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Maitimo gets out of bed. They work together on a useful division of powers and Maitimo is in fact both ridiculously good at his job and invaluable in getting other people up to speed in it. Findekáno will occasionally ask Elspeth questions. Elspeth will probably be mildly surprised if she sees them sitting there wrangling over conscription procedures and he doesn't know how he'll explain himself.

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It seems like Findekáno's own business how he wants to deal with his trauma. Speaks a little bit to Maitimo not being quite so awful at this time that his victim is capable of preferring to deal with it this way, really. She doesn't especially need an explanation, especially with the not being a suitable repository for secrets thing, it could easily be too personal to store in her head anywhere near anyone who might express curiosity.

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They work all night. They can, and it makes it easier. The next day they spend the morning on logistics and then Maitimo goes out into the palace gardens and sings for five hours. He can catch pieces of the song. It is, at least, not self-pitying. Self-pitying would be annoying at that point.

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It's pretty.

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He passes Elspeth in the corridors when he's coming back from singing. He smiles at her. He cannot actually help himself on that front, he likes her. 

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That's weird.

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Why? It'd be weird to only like people who share his goals. Very limiting. And she's so knowable.

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Well, it will get less weird as she cools off, which is proceeding at a fairly steady pace as he continues not to do anything really fucked up.

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Look at him, not doing anything fucked up. Just running his empire and winning the war.

Findekáno walks with him to his rooms that night, kneels beside the bed, and waits.

It turns out that implying you might is enough to get a productive few days out of me, he says. And now you got it, so you can leave if you want. 

I'd kind of like a productive day tomorrow, too. 

We could do it differently? If you don't want to just have a mockery of everything I did to you before -

Oh, I don't want you. I am willing to let you have me. You are going to have to be just as forceful and ignore just as much disinterested body language as you always do. I sort of figured it didn't bother you, or -

You can leave if you want.

Yes, I know. 

Even magically modified to have regrets that's about as many scruples as he can muster. I love you, Findekáno.

An exasperated sigh.

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Elspeth is not eavesdropping on this mess at all. It actually hasn't occurred to her in the first place that Maitimo might require bribery of this nature to get out of bed in the morning. She is asleep, dreaming dreams that anyone might listen in on if they held her hand, but no one does.

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They have another productive day. Is there a timeline on nuclear weapons?

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Shouldn't be that long. They have some advantages and some disadvantages over the actual Manhattan Project - she knows all the answers already; they have less manufacturing base - and with the head start she gave them and the fact that the synthetic blood recipe didn't involve rendering any of the uranium unusable they should be all set in months to years.

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Good. 

 

Maitimo gets out of bed on his own fine. He gets rewarded for this unpredictably, Findekáno is familiar with research that suggests this is the most psychologically compelling kind of reward.

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Elspeth could teach people to make airplanes so they can actually drop the bomb. If they don't think the Enemy will be able to do anything about the airplanes.

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The Enemy tried knocking the moon out of the sky, that's why it's got scorch marks on the surface. He could probably do something about airplanes but they can make sure he doesn't react fast enough.

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Okay. Airplanes are probably better than trying to figure out missiles on this infrastructure base. She explanes.

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They learn, and work, and ask questions.

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Elspeth is very good at answering questions. She can do that all day.

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The King is practically back to his normal, functional self, and oversees project logistics effectively enough. They'll have whatever they need for airplanes. Nuclear bombs are much harder but they're progressing there, too.

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Once she has emitted all her relevant airplane knowledge Elspeth idly considers bringing this place up to higher technological standards in other ways. She could probably improve their farming yields or something. Might be best saved for postwar? Unsure.

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"It'd mostly benefit the Men; it's hard to feed them enough, their population keeps growing. We currently use a lot of magic songs. If you have anything that'd work well with that, or work much better than that, we'd adopt it."

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Elspeth doesn't expect magic songs to interact much with combine harvesters or fertilizer. This may or may not be a result of her not knowing much about magic songs. Should she?

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There are all kinds and they can do all kinds of things, though speeding or tweaking existing processes is really their strength. They make crops grow faster. They'll have nothing to say about combine harvesters or fertilizer.

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So she explains combine harvesters and fertilizers and such things. Elspeth is vaguely curious to hear a magic song, mostly because Addy will be really annoying if she shows up and Elspeth can't just blast complete magic song related information at her.

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"It is in any event past time I introduced you to my brother."

And he has him summoned. Can he do a concert of all magic songs? He'd be delighted.

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He does a concert of magic songs. Faster reflexes, greater strength, amplified range, blindness, deafness, sudden imperviousness to physical attack, heightened perception, wind, rain, sun, heat, cold -

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The songs are pretty and Elspeth memorizes them all.

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He is glad of it! If Elspeth finds a way back to her world it'll be good for it to have magic songs. 

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Yep! They're really bottlenecked on most of their magic. Elspeth's useful but nonessential; it would be much harder to do without, say, Alec. Do they have a painkiller song, the Golden Empire would like a painkiller song if it could actually work on turning.

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Not at the moment. He can try composing one after the war. Right now he's working on a radiation shield song so they can go get the Silmarils as soon as Angband falls instead of waiting for the area to be safe.

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...interesting priority.

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She's the one who held up nukes over Maitimo's fucked up relationship with his boyfriend, isn't she.

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If that's how you want to put it.

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No one on any side of this can be said to be using math to set their priorities, is all.

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Technically the fucked up relationship part only took an extra couple minutes and the real delay was her being sufficiently confident that Maitimo would not be horribly irresponsible with the nukes themselves in light of the fact that he had previously demonstrated himself untrustworthy via withholding fucked-up-relationship-related information. Anyway, it's not like a painkiller song is urgent with no way to transmit it home.

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Okay, fair enough. Well, radiation shielding now, painkilling songs for her after the war. Thank you for the nukes, by the way, likely speeded the end of this war by several centuries.

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They're welcome.

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They run a kingdom together. After a few months Findekáno tests him. Kneels beside his bed and watches Maitimo break into a radiant smile, lets Maitimo undress him and pull him into bed, and then says - "actually, I don't think I want to, tonight."

Maitimo's hands go still. 

"Sorry. maybe some other time."

"You're testing me."

"Yeah."

Maitimo considers whether Findekáno will leave him forever if he fails the test.

"Why are you so bad at this?" Findekáno murmurs, watching him. He's not afraid, though. "I don't plan to tell anyone, I don't expect to alter my future behavior because I'm not making choices in general based on any assumptions that'll be shaken if you decide not to let me go tonight. You cannot win me back in a deeper sense than you have and you won't mess our current arrangement up except by ceasing to be an effective aid in running the empire. You have nothing to lose. But I do not want to sleep with you right now, and so I'd like to leave."

"I am so bad at this because I really hate it when you leave."

Findekáno stands up. The oath not to raise a hand to his king makes it not much of a fight, whenever they disagree about where Findekáno ought to be. Maitimo doesn't grab him. He curls up in bed. 

He leaves. 

He's not sure if that's character growth but it sort of seems like it might be. 

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Elspeth barely thinks about Maitimo and has no cause to muster more than a flicker of mild revulsion when she does; he needn't hate himself much anymore. She advances agriculture and provides radio to boot.

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Elves are enthusiastic about radio. 

 

All this is making the Enemy nervous. There are minor earthquakes.

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...should she stop?

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"I don't think so. Most of his impressive capabilities take time to deploy, or he'd have attacked us long ago; he must have noticed we're growing in strength. And he can hardly want us dead any more than he does."

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Okay, well, here's what she knows about earthquake-proof structures.

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They'll get to work on that. Thank you. Are memory-dumps fatal, because they're so handy it'd be worth being catatonic for a while.

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She doesn't know this about Elves yet. She can start experimenting with exceeding human-tolerable speed in small increments maybe.

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The people she did full blasts on in Nan Elmoth do not seem to have recovered. Experiment slowly.

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Yup.

She experiments very slowly.

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Refining uranium is really hard. It takes a while. 

 

The King gets his consort adorably well-chosen magical presents.  His consort makes a point of not rewarding him for this. But it's sort of sweet.

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Irisse visits Himring a while later. Findekáno's been writing her. She talks to him suspiciously for a few minutes and doesn't seem entirely appeased.

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Well, if she wants to know what Elspeth knows that can be trivially arranged.

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"I'd appreciate that, yeah."

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Here is what Elspeth knows, as fast as she knows Elves can handle things.

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"Okay.

 

Thank you a lot for making a fuss about it. No one else did."

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"You're welcome."

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"I kind of wish he'd, like, moved to Tumunzahar or something, but I guess running the country isn't the sort of thing he'd pass up whatever he's paying for it.

Fucking King."

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Well, if Aredhel becomes aware of any new Kingly misdeeds she can tell Elspeth about them and the King will by his own bizarre oath have some reason to regret them?

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"Thank you. That in fact helps a lot."

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She's welcome to the extent Elspeth has anything to do with that part. Why wasn't anyone else making a fuss, anyway...?

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"Uh. There was the Darkening and then there was a civil war and Fëanáro was killed and it was looking like we were all just going to keep slaughtering each other and call the King whoever was still moving at the end, and then we woke up one morning to the notice nearly every major player in the mess was dead and they were marching Findekáno through the camp in chains. Dragged him to the King. Findekáno swore not to help anyone provoke more bloodshed.

And it was like - that's it, fighting over, the King gave orders for getting here and besieging the Enemy and he's very, very good at his job and just made it clear that we were all expected to indulge as his one vice his choice of consort. And any time anyone asked Findekáno he'd say it was fine. But I knew him. He wouldn't - wouldn't willingly - spread his legs for the man who murdered his parents, certainly not that same day, before they'd even been buried...

People'd joke about what a tight leash the King kept him on."

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It's not a very good joke.

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"No, it isn't."

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Elspeth doesn't have any stories unpacked about somebody sleeping with their family's murderer that same day but that's only because it takes three days to turn and the vampires weren't interested in the werewolves and other incidentals like that -

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"I guess now that he's not bound to lie I could ask Findekáno what happened. But it's not like I really need to know."

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Yeah. Elspeth hasn't picked up many details. It wouldn't really be appropriate.

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Once we don't need the King...

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Elspeth is not sure how much progress he's making on endearing Findekáno back to him with his stunt and its fallout.

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If Findekáno likes him I'm just inclined to conclude Findekáno's wrong. Plenty of people like him and are wrong.

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It does seem to be a theme.

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Thanks anyway. Are we close on the weaponry?

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Pretty close.

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She stays. She shadows her brother. Macalaure thinks he has a radiation-shielding song - Elspeth had better not wonder if the testing process was ethical - and he teaches it to everyone in case of an accident. They have heavier than air flight. They debate whether to do a flyover of Angband to know what to expect when a plane flies over Angband.

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Elspeth is assuming animal testing for the radiation song! They obviously don't have any trouble coming by live animals if her breakfast is anything to go by. Do songs work over radio?

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Songs do not work over their current radios. Everyone thinks this is a fidelity problem and songs should work over nicer radios, which are in development.

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If it's a fidelity problem, do songs work over projected memory if Elspeth is doing it?

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Yep!

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Fun.

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So she can send the song to everyone in her range, if needed, and everyone knows how to sing it. They are well-prepared for development accidents, though Macalaure's still fixing the song so it's good enough to allow Silmaril retrieval from a recently-bombed Angband.

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And Elspeth's range isn't that good, more like a few blocks than anything like even poorly-acquainted osanwë.

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They decide to do a flyover of Angband in order to know what to expect if they do a flyover of Angband. They pick someone for a test run. The pilot is oddly expressionless, but his wife looks rather deeply sad.

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Elspeth is kind of suspicious that she is presently going to hate Maitimo again.

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They fly over Angband. 

Something flies out of Angband to come say hello. There's a fireball in the sky. The King asks tersely for projections as to whether that would have prevented deployment of the nuclear weapon.

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Depends on the detonation mechanism and whether that was what it looked like.

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Whether that was what it looked like?

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If it was a fireball they can probably make something that will detonate on being fireballed. If it was a fireball-like special effect on top of something else that will be much harder. Also if they get radio working well enough they could control the planes by remote but they're not there yet.

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Well. It might be safe to delay; the Enemy is not by their best estimates within twenty years of an offensive.

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Elspeth is unable at this time to produce sourceless truth on that. Remote controls are not a thing she happens to have lots about in her payload, unfortunately - she has memories of taking RC toys apart but is missing a lot of steps in building the parts.

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The King's less worried about that than about making sure the bomb goes off.

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Suicide missions are not definitively beyond the pale but Elspeth is suspicious about that test pilot now.

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"Do you have questions?"

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"How'd you pick the pilot?"

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"We only have a few dozen people trained to fly those things. The one I chose had the best record for handling damaged aircraft; it seemed likely that if the Enemy attempted something less instantly fatal, he would be the best qualified to fly out."

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"How'd you convince the pilot?"

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"For military operations I give orders. Do you find that objectionable?"

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Not in general; for intensely risky operations seeking volunteers is preferable.

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"Alright. I'm sure he'll complain to everyone in Tirion next week about what a jerk I am."

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He'll probably have company.

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"Universal popularity in Tirion is not really one of the things I've been striving for."

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Naturally.

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It really bothers me that you don't like me!!

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Well she doesn't hate him anymore but as long as she has volition over who she likes it'll take some more doing. If Chelsea were here she'd have enough to work with but Chelsea's dead.

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He will just have to win the war and make the empire really nice afterwards. 

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That'll probably do it unless he's sufficiently odious in the meantime that she just doesn't want to hang out near him anymore when it's no longer urgent that she dispense tech in a centralized fashion.

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He sends her what intensely regretting three hundred fifty years of horrible crimes feels like.

I'm not going to do awful things. I'm just worried you'll interpret all things I do that way.

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Gosh, why might she be predisposed to such interpretations.

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He's still here, isn't he.

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And there can be no reason unrelated to Maitimo's fundamental likeability as a person to explain that? Pull the other one.

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Findekano said to him once that implacable hostility was the only mood he didn't tend to poke, and therefore the only one people could adopt if they didn't want him poking them, and that this was maybe a character flaw he should address.

 

Thank you very much for your help, Elspeth.

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He's welcome. Sorta.

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Findekano -

 

Yeah?

I think I need a hug. 

 

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If he doesn't feel like coming up with more arguments for why she should like him she will go off and do something else. Maybe she'll do something actually fun like ballet.

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Elves think her dancing is stunningly pretty!

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Oh! Yay. She can dance more often. She likes dancing. A vampire with very exacting standards taught her so she's good at it.

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And they like pretty things. They are full of compliments.

 

 

They have a nuclear weapon. They should probably test it somewhere other than Angband, but on the other hand a test might give the Enemy a warning.

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If they try to deploy it over Angband and it's a dud is that substantially worse than trying flying a plane over Angband without a nuke in it which they already did?

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There's a small chance the Enemy'd be able to notice what the content of a dud was, but it doesn't seem likely.

 

Maitimo lets her know that he's asked for volunteers.

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Gosh. If he has also taken the step of preferentially using them she might be mildly impressed.

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He asks Findekáno for another hug. When he explains the reason Findekáno cannot stop laughing. 

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Elspeth is quite unperturbed. She dispenses technology; she dances; she sings. Her hair gets floor length and she chops off two feet of it.

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The Elves think this is Pretty Fucked Up, and say so.

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...what, is she supposed to just leave it? It'd be ridiculous by now if she just left it, grows like bamboo.

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,..weird.

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Is this not how their hair works, she hasn't been paying attention.

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They stop growing it at their preferred length. And cutting it would be kind of like cutting off your fingertips or something. Except more - intimate. Has she seen any Elves with short hair except the King's consort.

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She did notice they otherwise all kept it long but didn't realize they never had to trim it. Hair's not an intimate thing on her world at all and lots of people have it short. Her mama used to insist that she keep it long because it's the same as her dad's and her mama was kind of neurotic about that because Vampires With Dead Mates, Or Who Think Their Mates Are Dead. Werewolves have to have short hair or they will be incapacitatingly shaggy in wolf form! Like so! This even though the source culture of the original werewolves was pretty fond of long hair as a thing before the Volturi massacred it and it became basically Werewolf Culture instead. And half-vampire hair just grows really really fast.

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Oooh, fascinating. Elves consider hair intimate and almost invariably keep it very long, you also use braids to signify things. You might trim an animal's hair, but never a person's.

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Interesting Hair Facts. Noted. Well, Elspeth is averse to dragging thirty feet of hair around so she cuts it when it gets to the floor, sometimes sooner, but she's not doing it to be weird. And she just braids it to keep it out of the way but it's convenient that this has also avoided scandalizing Elves.

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They'll try to not act like it's weird, then.

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That's very nice of them.

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They try a plane. It is shot down; the bomb doesn't detonate. The very frustrated King calls a meeting to discuss alternate delivery mechanisms.

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Missiles are an option but can also be potentially shot down.

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And it's not as if they have enough uranium to try dozens at once, unless most of them are decoys.

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And they don't have Razi or anybody like that. Are there local magic things that might help?

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Local magic has mostly local effects. They can armor a plane, though enchanting that much metal in a way intended to withstand whatever the Enemy's firing at it will take the better part of a year.

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Why does it take that long?

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"The short version is that enchanting metal involves coming up with a long sequence of instructions, converting them into a format that metal can, ah, interpret, and then reading them out to the metal over osanwe in such a way that the echoes land on the desired effect. If you make mistakes you have to start over. Instructions tend to take a long time and instructions for magic intended to contest other magic will be complicated."

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Hm.

Does it have to be osanwë in particular?

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Does she want to try doing a simple enchantment to make stone glow using her form of truth-communication?

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Sure.

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It's not exactly such a simple experiment; she has to learn the enchantment, and even if she picks up the notation quickly it's long.

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She can read fast.

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Great. Here's how you'd read out an enchantment to make a rock glow.

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Elspeth can talk to anything that can listen. She doesn't usually expect rocks to listen, but if this one can it should hear her.

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And if she sends it the whole of the complicated enchantment, it'll start glowing.

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So she may be able to save them some time and the risk of loss of fidelity with enchanting airplanes.

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lot of time, yes. People are delighted and awed. There's cheering. They scramble to test layered enchantments with the higher fidelity in mind.

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Oh good. Elspeth will in the meantime be curious to study the principles of getting rocks and stuff to listen to her.

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It's not that rocks are sentient; it's that if you talk to them there's an echo, and the echo is what does the magic. It works in certain kinds of rock and metal, and the Elves are happy to point her at examples. If you're willing to do enough talking to a sword you can get a sentient one like hers. But that'd be the project of several decades.

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She wonders if she could put people she has backed up into sword-or-something form and if that would be a good idea.

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Huh.

Well, it should be possible to do something that can move of its own volition, if they are likely to prefer that to being swords.

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Most people probably prefer that.

Resurrected people sometimes come with their witchcraft attached, especially if they had it while human.

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Are they going to be dangerous people? Perhaps the one who had the capacity to back people up in the first place should be a sword or something else that doesn't move.

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She is not planning to resurrect Aro, he's dead for a reason. She is considering trying to duplicate the teleporter witch, but since he's alive this is awkward.

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...is there a way to get the powers without the whole person?

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Not that she knows of, and it might not even work because Razi wasn't a witch as a human and the case studies (Didyme, Harry) indicate he'd have to turn to get his power back, which a sword can't do, and also he has a mate although not as of the time at which she has him backed up and that would be a mess. It's possible she should instead make an Addy, Addy probably wouldn't mind and doesn't have a mate and may or may not have been a witch as a human and would probably have lots of useful ideas on the local magic system... but can swords have vampire mental capacities...?

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In principle if you are making a mind in a sword it should be possible to make it an arbitrarily sophisticated mind, even if takes a lot longer and is ten times as complicated. 

 

Her ability to make magic items rapidly is incredibly exploitable anyway. They can have enchanted armor and swords for the whole army within a week, and if absolutely necessary they can do a charge of Angband on foot and carry the nuke to the gates and then detonate it. 

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This seems like a high casualty operation unless somebody wants to invent nukeproof armor.

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That is not technically impossible but it would easily be a millenium's endeavor. So, yes, high-casualty operation. The improved planes are much preferable.

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She's happy to help improve planes.

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Better planes are developed. Two dozen of them, all but one a decoy, just in case it takes the Enemy a little while. And they think they've improved the nuke so it's likelier to detonate even if blown up. But it's hardly a sure thing. 

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It's a clear day. Two dozen planes take off from the planes of Lothlann and head for Angband, watched intently by a hundred thousand eyes. 

The Enemy fires on them.

They keep on flying.

The Enemy fires again. One plane, indestructible or not, spirals down out of the sky.

Then three more.

And then they're close enough.

The horizon goes blindingly white. There's a shockwave that can be felt all the way from Himring. 

They had people dug in besieging Angband. They didn't pull them out - it would have tipped their hand. 

The air curls upwards into a roiling, fiery cloud.

 

Maitimo smiles. 

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(Now she is become death, destroyer of worlds...)

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"Thank you," he says to her, as the Elves start singing. Singing and weeping and laughing, it's a bit of a mixed mood.

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He's welcome, more or less.

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He can't go get Findekáno back if he leaves now.

 

 

Findekáno doesn't look like he's leaving. Just staring at the mushroom cloud curling in the northern sky. 

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Well, that's Findekáno's prerogative.

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"Your grace," he says after an hour or so. "I don't like that."

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Doesn't like what?

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The mushroom cloud is moving again. It looks a little bit more directed, a little purposeful, like there are currents swirling in it from someone poking them.

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"Oh," she says, distantly and with perfect confidence, "that's bad."

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"...sudden sourceless truth?" Pull everyone back, get started on radiation shielding songs, send a team in for the Silmarils now, I don't care if it kills them...

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Yep. She has vague, vague ideas of how it's bad, nothing specific or outright prophetic but -

- it's bad.

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It takes about three hours, but it's obvious what is happening after two. The mushroom cloud resolves itself into a humanoid figure. It is glowing terrifyingly hot. It is drawing its form together in the semblance of an armored Elf. And it's angry.

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You know what they need they need a Siobhan the problem is Siobhan didn't even know she was a witch until she'd already been a vampire for ages and there'd be no way to tell if she was or not and if she wasn't she would be much less useful as a strategist and also Elspeth doesn't have a copy -

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Who have you got who was a witch before they turned?

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In some cases it's genuinely hard to tell - she doesn't have Mama, Mama was immune to Aro - Dad wasn't before he turned - Alice was but she doesn't have any memories of her human life at all no telling what would happen to a fork of her and she has a mate - Afton was but he's not useful particularly and is out of the question on a personal level - Alec and Jane were but no Alec memories from after he decided to be okay with the usurpation - Chelsea was but fuck no - Pera was, maybe the mates won't be a dealbreaker when she doesn't have any memories from after she was mated anyway? - Vasanti might have been -

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Then it's the Silmarils, I think. 

 

Chelsea sounds super useful but he is pretty sure Elspeth may actually murder him if he says that and at a minimum they'll both hate him for a while.

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What do they even do?

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They can be made to do most things that have to do with decay. Plausible ways of using them to stop that monstrosity are, well, stopping it from getting close since it's made of rapidly-decaying bits, and if our engineers are sophisticated enough and know what they're doing they should be able to stop all decay of all particles in its vicinity, which would just stick it there...

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Well, stick it wherever it's gotten to by the time they figure that out.

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Figuring it out will likely take months. Possibly years.

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It's moving slowly but not that slowly.

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Yep. I can evacuate people but it might move faster than evacuating people do. We could try using the Silmarils to protect various areas while we figure out how to use them to stop it, but that'll mean I need to pull everyone into one of three areas each with a radius of around seventy miles, I wouldn't expect them to be able to hold him off at a longer range without amplifying them somehow and the only people with a hope of figuring out how to do that are the people who will be trying to sort how to weaponize them - 

 

- is there any way at all you can bring back people in Mandos -

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She doesn't have those people stored. She couldn't get them even if she made Aro and Addy artifacts and they worked perfectly and cooperatively. Aro had to touch living people.

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My father always said the Silmarils had bits of his own soul stored in them. If he wasn't exaggerating, and you had an Aro and an Addy...

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Seems like a huge stretch.

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Probably.

 

Well, the retrieval team has been dispatched. It could take weeks to find the Silmarils in the rubble. 

Thank you. Let me know if you require anything else.

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Nothing accessible.

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Yup.

 

 

The cloud starts marching south. They evacuate to within the walls of the city, and ask Elspeth to send the walls of the city all the protective enchantments they know. 

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She can do that.

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He sends more people to find the Silmarils. He does not need to impress on them what a priority it is.

 

The thing, whatever it is, leaves the ground scorched and impossibly hot in its wake.

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She has pretty good temperature tolerance but not that good.

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You can outrun it. Unless it's not moving at its top speed.

 

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Which it doesn't have any obvious reason to be doing.

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There are three hundred fifty miles between Angband and Himring. Elves and half-vampires both have excellent eyesight and can see it coming at their leisure.

 

They throw some non-nuke-carrying planes at it, just to see if that does anything. It does seem to slow it down a little to have a plane plunge into it; each time it stays still for half an hour, swirling.

 

 

So he can order a stream of planes, as many as they have, differently enchanted in case some enchantments turn out to slow the Enemy down extra...

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Elspeth'll enchant planes, although half an hour per airplane doesn't seem like a very good rate.

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Nope. They only have around a hundred airplanes. But maybe it will allow them to extract the Silmarils in time.

It gets dark. The Enemy glows so hot that this is barely an impediment.

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And she has to sleep. (And can't see heat, but no one was relying on her for that.)

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In the morning the Enemy is still at a terribly-purchased standstill, reforming himself after another plane's flown into him. 

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Maybe they could catapult rocks at him or something.

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They have lots of catapults set for when he gets closer, but his scorching-things range is much bigger than conventional catapult range. They tried having some of the planes drop rocks; it didn't do much, and he usually managed to crash the planes anyway. 

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Oh. Well, she's out of new ideas, then. She could enchant things if they have things for her to enchant.

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No one knows the instructions that made the Silmarils in the first place, or she could try replicating them. 

 

 

By mid-afternoon a Silmaril is found. They've been holding a few planes in reserve to go and get it out. They send those off, on a route that'll keep it well away from the Enemy.

 

When the planes take off the Enemy starts splitting into two, down the middle, slowly and with much swirling of superhot radioactive ash.

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That is concerning. Are the halves at least smaller?

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...nope.

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Lovely. She reaaaaally regrets the nuke at this point.

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Well, they did not exactly have a way of anticipating that their Enemy would get more powerful when destroyed utterly.

 

The found Silmaril is brought back to the city. The surrounding countryside is evacuated. They put it at the top of a tower full of mirrors and can she do amplification enchantments?

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Sure. Geez this thing is bright.

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Yep. The engineers are frantically trying to figure out how to weaponize it. In the meantime it will keep the whole city blindingly bright and undecaying to a degree that should keep nuclear ash monsters out. 

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That's useful.

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May as well also try sending one of the remaining planes to Valinor to beg for help. No one is optimistic. Does Elspeth happen to conveniently have sourceless truth on how that's going to go?

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No. She's generally not so much truthy about the future even when that feature is working.

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Well, regular non-sourceless truth suggests it's going to end badly but they may as well at least try. 

 

Did anyone explain to Elspeth why appealing to Valinor for aid is likely to end badly?

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Not as such, no.

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The Valar disapproved of the behavior of the Noldor in departing Valinor and Doomed them. It was - well, it was fairly deserved, all things told.

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That doesn't really explain why they're letting the evil god terrorize everyone else too.

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They'd probably do something eventually. They just make up their minds very, very slowly. And they might want the Noldor to get wiped out first, to teach them a lesson.

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Well, if you have that method of lesson-teaching available and can expect to have lesson-learners afterwards because you're a deity Elspeth can see how that would appeal to a certain horrible sort of person.

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Did Elspeth expect that there were any non-horrible people in this whole mess?

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She was sorta hoping.

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Both of the ash-Melkors sweep slowly south. Now that the city's defended they've stopped wasting planes to slow them down. 

They skirt the city. 

They destroy everything they pass.

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Elspeth does not like it here and wants to go home. Predictably, this does not cause Addy and a bandolier of witch toes to swoop down on her crowing that they figured it out -

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"Sure you don't want to make an Addy and company, and see if they can figure it out from this end?"

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They don't know if it would work for her to make people at all, let alone witches who weren't witches while not vampires, and if she makes a Razi and it fucks up the mate bond somehow he may be incapacitated. The original might even be, depending on how it was fucked up, and then they couldn't figure it out from their end.

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"Alright. 


Need a hug?"

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Well he's not her wolf but okay.

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He's not. Sorry. He gives her a hug anyway.

 

 

 

The searchers find a second Silmaril.

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She'll enchant mirrors around this one too.

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One of the ash monstrosities changes direction and plods slowly toward the city.

 

No one thinks it can enter it. They aren't sure what it's trying.

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Maybe it can hurl things at them which ignore the protections. Maybe it's just going to stand there and besiege them. Maybe it's there to receive hidden defectors.

Maybe, thinks the girl whose power is to tell the truth so hard she can kill with it, it just wants to talk.

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It does want to talk. 

It plods to the gates and says, surrender. 

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That sounds like a terrible idea.

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From the moment your people slaughtered their way across the harbor and stole ships and landed the ships here to slaughter, your works here have turned to nothing but evil. They are doomed to turn to nothing but evil. You cannot destroy me; your every effort makes me stronger. You could have avoided your Doom had you worked in humility with the natives. But your Kingship was hard-won, and you were enjoying it, weren't you? 

 

Maitimo looks bored. 

You are Doomed. You are doomed. If you surrender I will spare everyone who had no part in the monstrous crimes you have committed against my people and your own.

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That sounds like a lie. Elspeth is not Maggie, but seriously.

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Yup.

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It hesitates, for a while, making odd sounds, trying to formulate itself in a way that permits it to speak aloud.

"And this I will swear: if anyone kills the King I will spare them, their family, and any others whom they care to name."

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Findekáno is still sworn to defend Maitimo with his life in case anyone was thinking of forgetting that. The Enemy's promise does not sound like it's good for all his subordinates' sparing inclinations or lack thereof. Also isn't it interesting that the evil god wants the King dead. What fascinating information.

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"Oh," it says. "One last thing. The third Silmaril is in Doriath."

 

And Maitimo exhales in something that might be a laugh.

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Skipped swearing to it, that time.

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Yep.

 

They stare down the thing. It continues not moving forward. 

Someone, Maitimo says, find out for me whether the third Silmaril is in fact in Doriath.

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How are they supposed to find that out while besieged by a fallout cloud?

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Not everyone I command is in the city, he says, and we haven't been able to use the palantiri to scry Doriath but we were not strongly motivated to try, and we can at need march with the Silmarils to Doriath's borders. 

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Makes sense. What are they going to do if it's there? (How would it have gotten there?)

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Take it back, we need it to end the war. I assume if it's there the Enemy quite literally handed it to them because it amused him to have us war.

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She seems to remember something about it being unaffordable to have a war with Doriath.

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Without the Silmarils and heavier-than-air flight. With them it'll merely be very, very ugly. Do you have an alternative in mind?

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Have they considered asking nicely. It's a radical idea especially in the world where everyone is awful but some people might not actually want the thing that was dropped on them by the Enemy in order to cause them to have a war!

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We will certainly try asking nicely first. I've dispatched messengers already. 

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Good.

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Scrying confirms that Doriath is glowing with the unmistakeable light of a Silmaril, and that the other Enemy is standing patiently outside its range. Someone tries to assassinate the King, and is captured alive. The King is checking whether there were co-conspirators he should execute also.

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Elspeth doesn't have a particularly strong opinion on the death penalty for assassins but how pray tell is he checking.

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"Do you really want to distract us both by hating me right now? It looks like the Enemy's positioning for Doriath to refuse us the Silmaril because they don't have another means of defense against the twinned version of the Enemy."

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Does he really want to get back on the train of avoiding Elspeth knowing things of relevance to her. Didn't he swear something about that. Anyway maybe Silmaril related research should be conducted in a location such that Doriath can have some of the shiny.

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Elspeth can go watch a would-be assassin be tortured if she really wants.  They can slowly march the whole population down to Doriath's borders while keeping everyone shielded from the things, but the things can presumably throw rocks or something once the Noldor are no longer behind Himring's walls.

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She does not really want. She would like him to stop that. Does that even work any better on Elves than on people from her world? It only helps if you can verify the information and they don't have a Maggie - Jane herself could torment someone all day and it would not help not if they really wanted to keep their secret -

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"We do have a way to verify information, obviously, she can swear to it."

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So they're assuming from the fact that she hasn't sworn to be acting alone that she wasn't and they're just trying to figure out who. What if she doesn't know who?

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"She could swear to that, too."

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What if she swore not to tell? Seems like a precaution a conspirator might take.

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"That'd be a shame for her, then."

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Elspeth does not like that answer. At all.

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"I did not expect you to. No one is trying to murder you but maybe even if they did you'd feel strongly about their wellbeing."

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In fact no one has ever tried to murder Elspeth. She's much too valuable alive as leverage on various people or for her magic. She's been tortured though, not for long but probably more intensely because Jane didn't really have a stun setting, and has memories of more, and she does not like this answer at all.

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"Findekáno," he says, "I'm not currently in a mood to negotiate reasonably with Doriath, do you want to have a go at changing that?"

"Better offer," Findekáno says.

"Do you want to do the negotiating?"

"No, you'll probably be better at that. I want you to do absolutely everything in your power for this not to come to a fight."

"Then go upstairs."

He knows that smiling viciously at Elspeth before he follows Findekáno upstairs will make him hate himself more but he does it anyway.

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Elspeth goes and sits within projection range of the torture victim and sends empty painless blankness to soothe it away as best she can.

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They start organizing everyone to march to within range of Doriath.

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If the torture victim would like to be mnemic-blasted Elspeth can do that.

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She would.

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There she goes.

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He announces that the would-be assassin has been erased so thoroughly even Mandos likely won't be able to retrieve her, and anyone inclined to try invites the same fate. He hates himself quite a lot but it's not impeding him much.

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Impeding him per se isn't the point and wouldn't be the point even if she were hating him on purpose.

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They march for Doriath.

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Elspeth is sort of wishing she'd moved back to Tumunzahar but she's not sure the fallout things' top speed has been demonstrated and Tumunzahar doesn't have a Silmaril and she's so valuable alive. And she can't blast herself.

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Sorry.

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Bullshit.

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Not really. I do have regrets, I've just gotten very proficient at ignoring them.

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Then it doesn't matter very much if he's sorry, does it.

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That I'll grant you.

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She needs sleep. She sleeps.

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It takes two weeks to reach Doriath at a march.

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What's the plan?

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They will explain at the borders that they need all three Silmarils to construct something that can stop the Enemy, and plead with Doriath for return of the last one, and swear to keep it at the edge of the forest so that part of Doriath can remain shielded. "Do you want to help? Radiate the truth of our situation at people?"

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If he thinks adding unfiltered Elspethian truth to this situation can help she'll help.

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"Think so. Melian is poorly positioned to have opinions about how I conduct my intimate life and it'd be better to establish trust sooner. And they don't let us in their borders, they might let you in."

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Fine.

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"I really would like to have a more functional working relationship."

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He was doing real great for a while there and then he tortured someone who in all likelihood could literally not have broken thereunder has he considered that he could be less evil.

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"I am being less evil, or I'd just deactivate Doriath's Silmaril from here and let the Enemy have them. And there haven't been any more assassination attempts, have there."

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Less evil than that.

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"If Findekáno's happy trading me sex for power I'm not doing anything wrong by accepting."

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And observe how that is not what she is complaining about, has she mentioned she hates it when people don't pay attention to her, where the fuck does he get off whining that she doesn't liiiiiike him?

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"I am not going to jump to do what I'm told just because you think I'm a monster. We disagree on the appropriate response to assassins; I can compromise, but I'm not entirely sure I don't preserve more lives this way. You could communicate your intent to mercy-kill my prisoners so we can agree on a solution better than that. That's what a more functional working relationship would look like."

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She wasn't planning far in advance to mercy-kill his prisoner. Consider it communicated now.

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"Thank you. I could have concealed the whole incident from you pretty trivially; I'm not asking for appreciation, but it'd be lovely if being honest with you didn't invariably make you hate me more than keeping secrets would have."

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Yeah has he tried being less evil that would help.

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"I am trying for 'honest with you about the level of evil I am'."

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And that level is 'too much' and honestly where does he think he's going to get with this. There wasn't a time limit in I swear to tell Elspeth the truth without omitting information she might find relevant, anyway, she can just ask him what's up occasionally if she has any reason to suspect he's being sneaky.

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"I was hoping to get to 'we can discuss plans for negotiation on recovery of something necessary to win the war without getting angry two-word answers from you', but if I'm making the prospects of that worse I will go get back to work."

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It's really very hit-and-miss whether any given thing he says improves matters there or not, which seems almost funny considering that he seems to pride himself on his social skills and Elspeth by rights ought to be Easy Mode. Probably it's all the evil, he should get that checked out. Anyway if she is to have some negotiation role other than sitting there legibly thinking true things he could tell her about it.

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"You are not easy mode! Most people want less terribly hard things from me and are not constantly distractingly loathing me and I am particularly unaccustomed to people periodically loudly reevaluating whether murdering me'd be a more convenient way to achieve their goals. or whether their mother might show up at any moment and do it for them.  If Doriath can't be persuaded to give up the Silmaril, do you have any ideas about things I can do other than invade and take it?"

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Most of these problems would go away if he were less evil. Like, substantially less evil, not trivially less evil. Is he sure she ought to have thought about that ahead of time before going and sitting near people from Doriath, because that seems like it could go either way.

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"I think if an army arrives at their border it will not be a surprising conclusion that the army has contemplated attacking them."

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Yeah, but he said 'other than invade'.

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"If it'd require them not being prepared for it then I guess you should not think about it, no."

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Well, she doesn't know if it'd require that or not, not having thought about it.

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"Thank you. Let me know if you need anything."

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If she needs something what's she gonna do, keep it a secret?

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"Well, I'm not reading you constantly. It is unpleasant to do so. So you can bring it to my attention."

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Noted.

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They march on Doriath.

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Elspeth will go with the negotiating party. This is even sort of like her actual job except in every way.

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The negotiating party explains the situation and explains that they're happy to keep all three Silmarils close to Doriath's borders so part of Doriath remains protected.

 

Doriath observes that currently all of Doriath is protected, and this seems strictly better. Eventually the Valar will probably do something, anyway.

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Well, they could also conduct Silmaril research inside Doriath but that would probably require them to let Noldor in and Elspeth can understand how that might be distasteful. Waiting for the Valar to show up seems dumb; they've taken this long and clearly are very busy doing whatever they're doing.

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Yeah, there's no way they're letting any Noldor inside Doriath, the Noldor are universally terrible. They have been managing just fine for centuries and expect to keep managing for additional centuries. Shame about the Noldor losing their whole empire and having to huddle around the Silmarils; maybe they shouldn't have bombed Angband.

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It seemed like a good idea at the time.

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The Noldor are Doomed. Things they think are a good idea just aren't.

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It was sorta her idea.

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Well. Their condolences. They are not giving up their Silmaril.

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They do realize the Noldor in addition to being terrible are also stupid and therefore swore an oath and literally have no choice but to keep trying to get the Silmaril, right?

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Gosh, it'd really be a shame to be a Noldo. Maybe any surviving Noldor will learn some kind of valuable lesson.

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Their compassion is truly staggering why is everyone here so awful.

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You would think Elspeth's world was full of saints.

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Not full of them, but it has enough.

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Well, this world doesn't have enough. The not-negotiations with Doriath drag on. Maitimo asks Elspeth to come back from them.

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Sure, whatever.

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"I am going to invade. Would you like to suggest alternatives?"

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If she'd been making any progress she would have suggested she continue to make any progress instead but she didn't seem to be. They could maybe try to steal it more surreptitiously and less, uh, invasively, although this is obvious enough that even Maitimo probably has some reason for not going for that.

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Can't think how. Melian's the source of the magical protections on Doriath and I don't know how to slip someone past them.

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Well, Elspeth certainly can't be of much help with that without knowing how they work.

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I think if I kill her, ah, mind-controlled sex slave, she'll fall apart and be unable to maintain them. But I can't think how to achieve that without an invasion either.

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Should Elspeth be modeling this as similar to killing a vampire's mate, or is it different.

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For Melian? Probably comparable, yeah. Though he'll come back in Valinor and she'll know it so she'll probably just go off to Valinor to wait for him. 

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If it happens that she doesn't have a long wait mightn't she just come back?

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She'll have a long wait.

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Why?

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Mandos does not return the dead to life until he judges them worthy. He has stringent and odd standards of worthiness, practically no one qualifies. 

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Speaking of the qualities of this mind-controlled sex slave is that actually the best description or just one he's picking to bias her, because you could describe a lot of vampires that way when you could also just gloss them as "involuntarily turned but not served by modeling them as ongoing victims".

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"Findekáno was happy when you decided to make a fuss about him. Anyway, all I know about Thingol and Melian is the origin story, which was that he was travelling alone through the forest when she saw him and decided she wanted him. They found him two hundred years later; he was madly in love with her but did not remember his own name.'

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Well, this does not sound like a complete story nor does it shed any light on what would happen if theoretically someone got him away from her.

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"It's all we've got because no one's allowed in the kingdom. I'm very confident she wouldn't survive his death. Elves don't, not often, and the Ainur are more absolute than us."

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It's more surgical than an outright invasion. Sounds practically challenging though.

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"I can think of some ways to do it, but you wouldn't like them."

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Quelle surprise.

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"What would your saintly grandfather do?"

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Not much, probably, he was never the geopolitics type. He never does anything wrong but sometimes that means he doesn't do anything. Has blanket permission to approve R&D but not to reject it. Worked as a doctor in some cloudy town while vampires some of whom he is willing to call friend snacked on humans. He wouldn't hate Maitimo but he wouldn't help him either.

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"And your mother?"

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Elspeth doesn't know the inside of her mama's head. Find out more information, probably, but Elspeth can't just go around learning literally all information, she is not a suitable repository for secrets. Consult Siobhan and Alice, probably, but they're not here.

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"And we can't bring them. All right. What I am going to do is work up what looks like a powerful magical effort to break Doriath's wards for an invading army, use the cover of that magic to land a few dozen people from airplanes, have each of them find the nearest local and try, with the threat of being totally erased like the Iathrim know we did in Nan Elmoth, to coerce an oath to kill the King. Does this strike you as preferable to invading outright."

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Has it somehow managed not to be common knowledge that he doesn't really have that threat on tap to deploy at whim? Anyway it seems implausible that random civilians will be able to do that. People who depend that much on their mates do not leave them undefended.

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"I am expecting it's not common knowledge in Doriath, they don't talk to us! And I have weapons I can give them which Doriath does not know of. I'd be delighted to hear a better solution."

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What's he even going to do with a headless Doriath? Still pretty much invade it?

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Yes, but with a lot less resistance, probably. Does she have a better idea.

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No but she's not going to follow through on his threat for him.

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"I was not expecting you to."

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And then a voice says in her head, uh, princess Elspeth?

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Huh? Hello?

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It's super rude to do this but I had to try. Can you help us? Everyone thinks you're working for the Noldo king but you weren't, ah, projecting liking him much, and there's got to be some way to stop the Enemy without handing him the only source of protection in the world, and I thought maybe we could secretly talk?

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"I swear that if you tell them anything -"

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Elspeth very much doubts it behooves her to hear the rest of that sentence.

She gives him a little tap to the face, just enough to knock out two-thirds of his teeth, and leaps out the window and takes off for Doriath.

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They are not stupid enough to try to stop her.

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Good. Where should I go? she inquires of Lúthien.

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I'm not actually allowed near the border but I can tell it to let you in. And tell the guards not to bother you, though they will anyway if you mean any of us harm. So if you don't just think that and run on in.

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As long as nobody's about to extort her she almost never punches people in the face! She doesn't have any harmful intentions as she races into the forest.

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And meets someone who looks not-quite-an-Elf - taller, prettier, more inhuman. 

Hi. 

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Hi.

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(The initial messages about what happened are very confused. Finally a cringing and apologetic guard gives him a proper explanation. He laughs. Maitimo, being frantically attended to by a dozen healers, is not amused, and orders some people to drag him out of the room, which they do. He keeps laughing.)

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So the only things I know about you is that you're a princess and hate the Noldor. Which, me too. Think you can help me prevent a war?

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Elspeth doesn't hate literally all of the Noldor! Findekáno and Aredhel continue to seem fine and there are lots of them she hasn't met. The King's an asshole though. There is however a huge mess about the Silmaril and she does not know of any non-war options that don't involve handing it over. Maybe they could trade for it or something but it seems to be a particularly nonfungible item.

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And then he uses it to destroy the Enemy and has a Vala-destroying weapon in hand and...tells us thank you have a good day?

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He might in fact muster that much politeness! In the case of the nuke he's sworn not to use it against anybody else. Maybe they could get him to swear something similar about the Silmaril. But he isn't that motivated to avoid a war and he thinks he can win it by assassinating Thingol, so it might be hard to get a really airtight oath and he's a slippery jerk so it would have to be one.

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Well. 

Can anyone but him use the Silmarils to stop the Enemy?

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Not him personally so much as his engineers. Her impression is that this would be prohibitively difficult. Unless she can make a sword of his father out of the Silmarils after all which still seems like a terrible idea.

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...is his father less of a terrible person?

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Elspeth doesn't know, she never met the guy. Her prior is that people here are either terrible, Dwarves, or very very few, so she wouldn't bet on it.

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Sounds like you've been spending too much time around the Noldor, all right. 

 

Okay, what happens if we kill the evil King?

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Civil war, reportedly. Findekáno would probably try to pull it together but he'd have an uphill battle. Also those nice oaths about not letting people nuke anybody would suddenly no longer have a swearer.

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....mind-control the evil King?

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He's evil but he's not stupid, they'd need a hell of an extortion plan.

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And not straight? That'd make it easier. Lúthien has a very reliable magic song.

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...no, he's not straight, also ew.

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Just to get an oath, I wouldn't touch a Noldo.

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That is only slightly less ew.

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So do you have any suggestions other than 'surrender the Silmaril and hope the evil King doesn't use it for anything after he's used it to stop the eviller god?'

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If they have a way to credibly threaten to destroy the thing they can probably get an oath out of him that way.

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Silmarils are supposed to be indestructible, but we could try a few things - hmmm - you don't happen to have tremendous destructive power on hand, do you?

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She's strong but not quite crush something that's supposedly indestructible with her bare hands strong.

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Do you think he's right to expect he'd win if he goes to war with us?

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Yeah. If he thinks Elspeth's telling them how to fight back he'll just attack before they can build any of the stuff she knows how to make.

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We could let the engineers in here, if they're oathed not to make any trouble, and they could work from here with all three Silmarils...

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Elspeth suggested that and the Doriath negotiators were all 'no way'.

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It might not have been clear to them that it was that or a war we'll lose.

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Well, she can go stand near anyone who needs that made clear.

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Want to come talk to my parents?

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More mind-controlled sex slavery oh joy and rapture. Yeah sure if thinking that near them will not be a disaster.

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He's happy.

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That's better than if he weren't, at least. Cozy, cozy mind control, all Chelsea and no Pyotr. But before she showed up here she never thought she was going to go 'Vampire Default Relationship Styles: A Model Of Consent And Ethics' and now she is kind of doing that and she doesn't have tons of detail on the particular situation that is Lúthien's parents but she doesn't expect to like it.

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Well, I don't think they'll care what you think. And they'll need to make this decision.

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Okay! Not caring what Elspeth thinks makes the loudness of her thinking it way less relevant.

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So they walk through the forest towards Menegroth. Lúthien is thinking aloud about avenues of mind-controlling the evil King, since it still seems like the cleanest solution.

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Well, if she thinks of anything that might work, there's way too much mind control flying around by default for Elspeth to go out of her way to protect the evil King in particular from it. Although he's probably listening in on her from here and this has the obvious consequences.

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That's annoying, can you not keep him out?

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Elspeth's figured out the private thoughts thing in basic form, but she has not had any opportunity to learn to be specific about who she hedges out and suspects her metaphor wouldn't work very well for that use case, and also it's really uncomfortable.

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Hi, evil King. I'm trying to think how to stop you. If I pull it off then I'll stop in a couple centuries once the war's won and the empire's stable, and you can see if anyone still cares at all about you without those. 

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He'd have a really hard time trading Findekáno anything at that point, wouldn't he. It's not really funny except it sort of is.

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It's pretty funny. What's he trading Findekáno now, what is Findekáno like in general?

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Findekáno is like so. Nice guy when he isn't sworn to take all the evil King's ends as his own, which is no longer an ongoing concern! Apparently the evil King has been trading him power for sex, which is better than trading him being chained to the wall for sex!

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Yup, that's - 

- my parents aren't like that.

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That's good, although Elspeth hopes for Lúthien's sake that she doesn't actually know as much about her parents' sex life as Elspeth knows about hers.

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Nope. But - it's not that.

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That's good.

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They reach Menegroth. Menegroth is very pretty. She walks past the guards and into the city. 

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Elspeth follows.

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Your majesties, this is Princess Elspeth. She has information about the intentions of the Noldor.

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She sure does! Here it is! Lúthien has to call her parents 'your majesties'? Elspeth's parents don't even make their subjects call them that and half the ones who do are doing so because they think it's funny.

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If that's the capacity in which I'm talking to them, yeah.

 

The King and Queen frown in sort-of-creepy unison at Elspeth's information about the Noldor. 

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Well that's sort of creepy. It is definitely frowny information though.

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In your opinion, are there avenues to avoid a war with the Noldor other than permitting some of their engineers into the country to work with all three Silmarils on a weapon against the Enemy?

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Short of letting them just leave with the Silmaril? Well, there might be, but she sure hasn't thought of any.

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In that case, we will permit ten of them into the borders, if they swear not to do violence to anyone within them and bring the other two Silmarils with them, and swear not to leave with any of the Silmarils and to instead deploy them from here against the Enemy.

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Might work, although Elspeth will be very surprised if they don't try to insist on retaining the right to leave with the two they have and she's not sure whether the Oath will let them take an agreement that doesn't involve that.

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They are welcome to try insisting.

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She's pretty sure they can't actually give up the Silmarils. So if they won't let Silmarils leave, Doriath is committing to the holders fighting their way out or being in Doriath forever. Or they're planning to kill them once the anti-Enemy weapon is made and they no longer have a use for the Noldor, that would be sketchy.

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As I understand it they will be trying to kill us.

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They're not trying yet. They will to get the Silmaril, though, if that's the only way to get it; and getting it does not as Elspeth understands it constitute a time-limited interest even after the Enemy's gone.

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So after the Enemy's gone there'll be a war anyway. But this deal should delay it until then.

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...yes, if that is the outcome they want to aim for they can probably get it.

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They are not giving the Vala-slaying weapon to the Noldor, so.

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They could probably bargain them up to oaths about how to aim the thing.

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After the Enemy's dead they'll try oaths before warfare. If they try it now it seems plausible that the Noldor will decide Doriath doesn't really have that much leverage and attack.

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Doriath doesn't, really, have that much leverage, as far as Elspeth knows. They could at least start out in a posture of sincerely anticipating that after the Enemy is dead the Noldor will promise to behave themselves and walk off with their shinies as tolerable neighbors.

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Does she think the Noldor are likely to do that?

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She thinks it's likelier if they are actually offered this option instead of figuring they have to have a war anyway. They may of course decide to be unexpectedly stupid at any moment. So could Doriath.

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And what's the basis of her impression the Noldor'd win that war? They don't have a Maia.

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No but they have airplanes and no scruples and useful stuff like that.

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...they'll let ten engineers in and let them out with the Silmarils if they swear never to use them as weapons against anyone who has not served the Enemy.

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Yay!

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And just sit tight and hope the Noldor don't decide they look particularly conquerable, is that Elspeth's advice.

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And get solid oaths on the behavior of the engineers they let in and she doesn't really expect being a good role model for how to not be stupid/evil/etc. to help but it seems like a good idea in principle and she can help them be less conquerable as long as the Noldor aren't on a hair trigger with the attacking and as long as they continue not to seem conspicuously evil.

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Melian waves her hand around the ridiculously pretty throne room as if to say that it suggests she is not evil.

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Thaaaaaat's not how that works. Heidi was pretty, too, and look where that got 99% of the people who ever looked at her. Eaten. Is where it got them.

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I have never eaten anyone, she says, a little annoyed. This land is ruled justly and its subjects are happy.

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Good for her. Gesturing at the throne room doesn't actually prove that and thinking that it might is evidence that you're not clear on what would.

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It seems like a well-run kingdom full of happy people is at least some evidence of good priorities on the part of its leadership.

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...Elspeth wonders vaguely if her magic doesn't work properly on Maiar such that they cannot understand her. That would be annoying.

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Maiar are just categorically incapable of thinking normally! About anything! Elspeth's magic should not blame itself!

Melian dispatches some people to tell the Noldor their conditions.

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Elspeth suspects it is not a good idea for her to be within earshot of the evil King or anyone who can credibly claim to have heard him issuing extortion-y oaths, would Doriath like to offer her somewhere to stash herself so she doesn't have to go take her chances running to Tumunzahar or something?

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Sure! They can get her a lovely place that is out of earshot of the evil King. If she knocked out most of his teeth he's probably out of commission at the moment, though.

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Yes, probably, but she's not sure exactly how many of his teeth it was, may or may not have broken his jaw, etc., he could be capable of getting out a short sentence like "I swear that" with respect to some more complicated elsewise-transmited content.

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It sounds like someone should have broken his jaw a long time ago.

 

She is shown to some very pretty guest rooms.

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Lovely. Into them she plops.

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Well, that was good, right? Maybe no war?

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Yup. Also she got to punch him in his stupid face and had a really good reason!

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Yeah, sure sounds like it. 

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Elspeth doesn't even know what he was about to say but she bets it wasn't anything good and seriously threatening Elspeth under the condition of 'if you tell them anything' is so unclear on the concept. She tells people things.

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He doesn't sound very smart.

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He's smart sometimes about some things but he's having a really hard time with Elspeth, probably because she wants him to be less evil and he might as well think that's a kind of fruit or something.

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Sorry, I know it's not really funny.

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It'd be a little funny if only he had no power.

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Why do people follow him?

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Apparently most of them actually like him? For some reason? It really bugs him that Elspeth doesn't! Which is itself actually funny! Anyway he settled a succession dispute in his own favor with what sounds like a fairly surgical batch of assassinations and then maybe people were not eager to rekindle any of that. Also he is not totally incompetent at governance. If they had trains the trains would run on time.

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She has no concept of trains but the metaphor makes perfect sense because Elspeth.

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It's very useful to be Elspeth! Although she can also explain the metaphor with lots of pleasingly nested context about trains and fascism.

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Yeah, even on the original metaphor she caught some of the nested meaning about the kind of states known for trains running on time. 

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It's not a bad comparison actually, the Noldor are not doing European fascism in more ways than simply 'not being in Europe' but they're doing something like it, military citizenship and all.

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And evil.

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Yup. And that.

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Thanks for coming to talk.

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You're welcome. Thanks for the invitation, it seems like it's improved things at least for the time being.

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Not currently in a war we'd lose. Yay. 

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And with progress on getting the Enemy properly dead this time underway!

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Good.  Assuming they are restrained from using it against anyone else.

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Yes, assuming that.

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Anyway, nice to meet you. You can follow my flowers - the white ones - if you're looking for me.

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Elspeth has golden lunaria. Thanks. When I wake up I will want breakfast, is it okay to hunt in here?

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It's not against any rules but you won't find anything bigger than songbirds. And you might scare people.

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Songbirds aren't really worth it unless there's nothing else, she usually doesn't take birds smaller than pigeons. She can eat regular food too, won't do her any harm, where does she find that?

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That Lúthien can show her. Look, here are the gardens.

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Do they have anything less... vegan. Elspeth can live on this but... still.

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"We're under siege. Did you miss that bit?"

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She was sort of hoping there might also be a besieged chicken farm. It's fine, she can live on plants.

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I bet my mom can do something. I'll ask.

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Thanks.

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Her mom can make bushes that produce berries that have something chemically identical to animal blood, it'll just take her a little while.

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That's very nice of her! Elspeth appreciates it.

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We appreciate that we're not in the middle of a war! I'm not imagining the King is very nice to his defeated enemies.

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He might actually be the model of restraint when he doesn't happen to want them as mind-controlled sex slaves, Elspeth doesn't know!

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And to be perfectly fair to him and his stupid punchable face he has only ever seemed to want the one and is very particular about having him to the point of swearing dumb mind-altering oaths.

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Yes, he says rather fervently.

 

She's within a few hundred miles; he's been getting a lovely tour of Menegroth.

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She'd been wondering if he was going to comment!

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I was distracted.


If you want, though, I can have Findekano send you his memories of when I acquired him. He sends them to me sometimes because I find them very soothing.

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Elspeth doubts she will find them soothing and cannot begin to fathom why Maitimo would suggest such a thing while still within range of precisely calibrated hatred estimates since there's no obvious benefit to her having them. Neither is there any from Findekáno's perspective.

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Curiosity about what kind of information about me your hatred is responsive to.

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Well, it's not like her head is currently a precisely curated museum of delight, so if Findekáno wants her to have it for some reason...

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I think he is actually in fact trying to get more self-loathing so I'll perk him up. It's astonishing the man manages to effectively rule so much as his horse. 

 

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How charming. Findekáno should be advised that if he goes along with this plan whatever she gets can and will escape her head fairly indiscriminately as casual answer to relevant questioning, conversation piece, weapon, summary to her family if they ever find her, etcetera, it would be entirely reasonable not to share, most people who are alive and have memories of theirs in her payload would not have chosen this, etcetera.

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Well, yes, that's the point. I want people to know. Not - not anything explicit, but who he is, definitely - 


 

When they come for Findekáno he's been sleeping, in light armor, and he rolls out of bed and draws his sword. Yes, he is badly outnumbered, but he is better than anyone Maitimo would have sent and there remains the chance that Maitimo would have asked his men to take Findekáno alive.

"Your parents are dead," says the woman in the lead. "I swear it. It's over. Put down the sword."

He does not put down the sword. He does not resist when they pull it out of his hands, though, or when they bind him and search him for weapons, or when they start dragging him towards the center of camp.

Dead.

People are staring. Right, Maitimo would have arranged for him to be taken the long way around, arranged for as much of the host as possible to witness this. Maitimo will get as much leverage as possible from the murders he arranged. Maitimo probably choreographed the aftermath as carefully as he choreographed the deaths themselves. 

He is thrown to the ground at Maitimo's feet and kneels, expressionless, eyes fixed on the ground, his heart pounding too loudly to hear Maitimo speaking. They're dead.

And then Maitimo takes hold of his hair near the scalp - the crowd gasps - and drags his face upwards so they make eye contact. I need an oath of fealty or a public execution, which do you want it to be?

 

 

That depends on the wording you want, Findekáno manages after a moment. 

Be convincing enough to end this war. 

Let go of my hair.

 

He does.

 

And Findekáno swallows and says "I do not desire that more blood be shed to settle the rule of the Noldor. I pledge myself and those who follow me to the pursuit of our common goal under Nelyafinwe, King of the Noldor. This senseless violence served our foe. I swear not to aid anyone in letting internal divisions drive us again to war. I swear to protect you with my life. I swear never to raise a hand to you or permit anyone under my command to do so." Glance at Maitimo. He doesn't look satisfied. "I swear to obey you in every just order you give." That doesn't help; he really wasn't expecting it to. He can't think of anything he's willing to add. He remains there, motionless.

And then he's dragged to his feet, again, and out of the square - not a public execution, then - and to Maitimo's tent, which he almost does not recognize because his vision is swimming. They chain his arms and legs and leave and he has just enough mobility to curl into a ball on the floor and shudder violently. Requests are pouring in over osanwe. Don't fight, he says over and over. Don't fight. What's the wording of the oath Maitimo's asking for from other people?

Standard fealty oath, to obey as far as honor permits and resign when it does not.

Don't fight, he says to everyone who asks.

He's not tracking time very well but after perhaps a day or two some people come in to clean him up. Wash his hands and face. Change his clothes. Wash his hair -

"What the Halls," he growls when they try that. 

"King's orders."

"Are you sworn to obey righteous orders from him, or any."

This earns him an amused smile. "I have a choice. If you were deciding whether to kick and scream on that basis."

He doesn't kick and scream. "What exactly did he say."

"'I want my pretty defiant cousin in my bed when I'm done here.'"

"As far as you can tell, is he under the influence of any oaths, any mind-altering magic -"

"What are you going to do about it if he is?"

"Forgive him."

"As far as I can tell he's of wholly sound mind. What're you going to do now?"

 

He closes his eyes. After a few minutes he starts singing. 

They wash his hair, awkwardly, hurriedly, and leave him there.

When Maitimo comes Findekáno is entirely calm. "Your grace," he says expressionlessly.

"Findekáno." He still manages to infuse the word with enchanted adoration.

"I'd hoped you'd pick a different name, so that one could keep its pleasant associations."

Maitimo blinks. "Alright," he says. "What do you want me to call you?"

 

He finds himself actually speechless. 

Maitimo unchains him - right, Findekáno is sworn not to harm him, it's not just that it'd be suicide but that it's literally impossible now - and waits.

"If you are doing this because killing people gets you hard and I'm conveniently right here," he says after a minute, "go ahead. But if you were hoping for an emotionally interesting reaction from me you should probably wait a week. I am grieving. I do not think I'll even be able to muster hurt and betrayal."

And Maitimo stares at him searchingly for a moment, and then turns, and leaves...


Try not to hate him debilitatingly much, I have to puppet him into running the country.

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At a guess, somewhere between that and a conviction that if you're going to dislike him and thereby cause him considerable distress - no one dislikes him - it's somehow metaphorically appropriate for it to be for the things he regrets most - and he's flippant about it but he does regret that one, now -

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Why doesn't anyone dislike him? He's so dislikeable.

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I can only speak for myself on that.

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He's probably an enlightening case study even if he's not an exhaustive explanation.

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I know him too well to hate him. He has a tendency, under pressure, to see only one solution he can live with and reach for it and cling to it unrepentantly, and objectively that means he is frequently evil, but - not out of enjoyment of other peoples' suffering, just out of awful options and an excessively-firm commitment not to let self-doubt and self-loathing cripple him.

He is good at harm reduction about being evil.

Before the war I would have called him a good person and I think there's a chance that after the war he'll be one again - the war rather demands that one not value goodness too much, at least not the kinds of goodness we were all taught to value, in Valinor...

...he's a monster. But when he doesn't have anything else to offer me I'll walk away and that will hurt him very badly and I have no desire to hurt him worse. 

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He doesn't have to be deliberately sadistic about it to be unlikeable amounts of evil.

Maybe part of the difference is that Elspeth knows lots of people really, really well, many as though from the inside, in full-color detail, and some of them she liked for real until her feelings were stolen and some of them she liked by force until she learned bit by painful bit to stop and she doesn't trust her fuzzy impulses automatically anymore, not when she has information -

- but she's pretty sure a lot of the people she knows would not like Maitimo either and they don't all have that background so that's probably not the whole story.

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Maybe in your world there's a much stronger taboo on mind-controlled sex slaves?

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Not exactly. There's a much narrower, much less voluntary "mind controlled sex slave" genre of thing. And the power imbalance is sort of different even if you factor out the Golden Empire. If a vampire meets a human and goes all gooey-feelings about them, to quote Addy who has never had a gooey feeling in her life, it's the vampire and not the human who is mind controlled; this was traditionally rectified immediately but the motive was almost always more panic about human mortality than anything else. And the vampires are dealing with ridiculous forces of need that Literally Only Grandpa Carlisle Ever In History has managed to set aside. (Not that this worked out very well for Esme before he found her again.) The mind control is more exogenous to and contagious from the people you could identify as perpetrators than the thing Maitimo was doing. Werewolves, the mind control part isn't even contagious. (Poor Jake. Maybe they have found a way to keep him in a coma or something.)

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So you were used to a - horrible force of nature, not something being harnessed deliberately and asymmetrically for personal convenience -

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Yes. (Not that it was not rather terrifying being five watching a total stranger gaze at her with indelible adoration - but she knew even then it was not his fault.)

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That does sound terrifying, I'm sorry. I'm used to Maitimo, and his wants are complicated, and not magically enforced. To me this seems preferable.

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She doesn't have one of those really awkward imprintings. They worked it out. All the mind control was third-party, the Volturi wanted Jake because they were keeping werewolf packs as enforcers and wanted the third alpha and to keep him they had to keep her because they couldn't make him capable of doing without her. And now she has her wolf, absolutely reliable and committed, and it is much more true that he is hers than that she is his.

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I'm glad to hear it. 

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Some of the imprints have really awkward relationships with their wolves without Chelsea babysitting them all the time. They try to be kind of careful about who the unimprinted male werewolves have a chance to see, but Alice can't see them so they can't just do protective matchmaking with people who'd like having wolves. It's unfortunate. Also that mess with Brady when it turned out imprintings and turnings were not on speaking terms, that was objectively horrible even if Elspeth still can't really care about it because that would have inconvenienced Chelsea and Elspeth can only combat additions not subtractions.

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...yikes.

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Yeah her world has horrible shit too.

(Other things she cannot care about: the infant puppy who died when the Volturi caught Jake's pack, whose own parents could not mourn her. A significant swath of human snacks that they didn't want anyone in the wolf village worrying about. The non-wolf-gened, non-imprint members of the Quileute tribe, massacred because they would have been inconvenient.)

It's just... people objected. Someone noticed, and fixed it as best it could be fixed.

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Well, thank you for telling me. I would prefer to care about those things and it doesn't seem like there are barriers to me doing so.

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Yeah. Chelsea never reached for him and went snip, snip. It seems reasonable that someone should care about them.

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I think I'm an unusually forgiving person but that I wouldn't forgive either.

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Chelsea is dead.

Mama did grant her last request, though: Chelsea first, not Afton, she got to die beloved.

And they kept her hands until they were too dead for Addy to copy from, to let her do patch jobs.

Elspeth didn't take one. Her father did, though, took the shortcut so he could love his child and not make his mate more miserable over his failure to do so.

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....

 

Maitimo, are you listening -

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Yes. What do you want me to say - if I'd have the power would I have made sure you didn't grieve your parents, so it did not get in my way -

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I don't care if you would have done it. I am glad you couldn't, and I hope you can see what that means, what it does...

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I am glad I didn't do it.

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Thank you.

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Her side weaponized love too. Differently. They needed a more overwhelming witchcraft advantage. Stole Pera away with her deliberately-sought one-true-love-if-you-don't-count-Brady. She doesn't think Pera's upset about that.

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Not being upset about it isn't really the proof it's okay. But.

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Well, Pera originally wanted to live in Mexico and be a human and not have people bothering her but what Pera wanted was derailed, repeatedly, when Addy caught her and Brady stole her away to Jake's pack and the pack got caught and she got turned.

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I am really glad this whole mess now has some good people running it.

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And Elspeth gets to write informative pamphlets. She likes writing informative pamphlets.

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When the war's over we can try to figure out how to send you home. Though the King's going to drag his feet on that if your honest assessment is that your Queen won't want him in power.

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Elspeth is hardly going to produce a dishonest assessment. It'd probably depend on various practical factors - if it's really hard to get between worlds she won't be able to just add this one to the Golden Empire, they're bottlenecked on a lot of key witchcraft and she won't want to overextend herself. Also on whether Maitimo can stop being so damn evil by the time Mama is trying to assess his likely future evil.

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I will suggest to him that he work on that.

Maitimo -

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 - if you were to swear to be mine forever I can't think of anything else I am obligate evil about, and that'll then be past evil, and I'm even happy to then regret it.

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Wow. That's fucked up.

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He sighs.

 

Have we picked our ten engineers?

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Or worked out with Doriath what the engineers will have to say before they're allowed in? Like swearing not to assassinate the king personally or by proxy, that's probably a good start.

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So they get to work on negotiating that.

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And Elspeth settles in to Menegroth. Do they want to know any things that Elspeth knows?

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They are kind of still maybe anticipating a war with the Noldor and would love to know what the Noldor know, yep.

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Nukes she would not care to distribute further without comparable guarantees on the limits of their use. She will explain planes and stuff though.

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And after a few months Melian has a blood-berry bush for her! It's tiny, but if sung to every day it'll get tall and healthy.

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Elspeth can sing to it!

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It's a tweaked version of the generic healthy-crops song, because the blood-berry bush is magical and responds a little differently to the standard one. But as long as it's sung to it'll do just fine.

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And when there are blood-berries they are really yummy! Elspeth thanks Melian very appreciatively.

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My pleasure, dear! It was an interesting challenge!

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And Elspeth eats berries and tells people whatever they want to know and sings to the bush and dances for whoever wants to watch.

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And the Noldor think they've figured out how to use the Silmarils, and would like their hosts to designate a site for testing.

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Testing what? What are they using the Silmarils to do in particular?

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They are using the Silmarils to bring all particle behavior in an area to a complete halt. 'stopping time' is one way of thinking about it, if it works as intended. They are testing whether this works like it should; then they'll test if it's fatal to people caught in the radius; then they'll try it against the Enemy.

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Maaaaaybe they should try animals before they try people just a thought.

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Sure, if Doriath lets them import some. They're going to try orcs when they try people, so it's not like anyone might die who's not slated for execution anyway.

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There's songbirds. Elspeth can catch them live songbirds if they are having trouble with that.

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Great. They'll try it on songbirds first.

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Which she'll go collect after they have results on the first test.

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First test: it looks like it's working, but when they remove it the area under effect crumbles into dust. No songbird test after all, probably - though it still might totally suffice against the Enemy -

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Or it might not do that! Especially since there are two of him.

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Yeah. They'll keep working.

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What's everybody else besides these ten engineers up to?

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Preparing for a war against Doriath if it should be necessary, obviously! And trying to coordinate feeding their entire non-expendable population while stuck within the small radius outside Doriath that's still protected.

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Well, she's tapped out on agriculture knowledge. Does Melian want more interesting custom plant challenges?

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Melian: also planning for possible war after the Enemy's defeated. Sorry.

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Hey Noldor did you know you could maybe get help feeding people if you could credibly arrange not to have a war.

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There won't be a war if they give the Silmarils back.

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If only somehow common knowledge of this fact and also a guarantee of the return of the Silmarils could be negotiated. Someone should get on that. Sounds like a job for a King.

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He communicates to Doriath that if they will swear to return the Silmarils he will swear not to start a war with them. 

 

They are pretty sure there's a loophole somewhere in that. 

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It actually doesn't sound that bad to her but maybe he's being cute about what "start" means. Certainly it's worth being sure about the wording. Maitimo himself introduced her to this useful "swear I would accept this oath from a hostile party" clause.

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Maitimo will swear that, if the Silmarils and engineers are permitted to return safely to his territory, then he will not authorize, make it known he'd desire, or permit those under his command to carry out any acts of war against Doriath including killing their citizens, entering their territory or airspace without authorization, using the Silmarils at them, inciting anyone else to go to war with them, violating the terms of any treaties between them, or attempting to deliberately provoke them into doing any of the same, excepting if Doriath carries out any of the aforementioned acts of war against him. 

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If Doriath'd like an extra layer he could swear that he doesn't expect that a maximally inconvenient sourceless truth that Elspeth might receive would reveal a flaw in this plan!

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The most inconvenient sourceless truth he can think of is that he doesn't expect Doriath to keep to their ends and would probably enjoy winning a war if they start one.

 

He swears to this.

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Cool. It's a good thing she didn't break his face too badly to say things indefinitely. So now if Doriath doesn't want a war they could arrange that.

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They will tentatively start doing things that are not 'preparing for an inevitable war' but 'giving the Noldor food' sure isn't going to be one of those things.

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...Elspeth will settle for that but be conspicuously unimpressed about it.

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We could offer to give food to anyone not sworn to the evil King but I think everyone's sworn to the evil King.

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Well, yeah, Elspeth just doesn't happen to think this deserves starvation.

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It's not that they deserve it, it's that they might do evil things later. Do you want us to feed orcs, too?

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If the orcs swore that they weren't going to have a war with Doriath? Yeah, probably.

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Weren't going to have a war with Doriath unless we do one of a long list of things including 'inciting other people to war with them', which might just mean 'telling your mother the truth'.

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Well, they could try to narrow down the definition of "incite" if that's a serious concern, although Elspeth expects to be reporting to her mother personally.

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Honestly, even if we were sure of it I don't think we'd send them food. So no need to bother.

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Sigh.

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The Noldor have another go. When they disable it the relevant area does not crumble to ash, or look any different. Songbirds?

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She goes and gets a bunch, leaping around to catch them in midair so neatly that she doesn't bend their feathers, and brings them all in a basket.

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And they freeze time. And when they restart it, songbirds fly away.

 

Great. Now the orcs - is Doriath going to let us bring orcs in - 

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Well, are they?

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Doriath is not even clear on why they need to test whether this is survivable; isn't the point to use it to kill the Enemy?

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That's a good point, although there are two of him so it might matter for some possible deployment plans.

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Yep. They want to get both at once and then trim the area under the time stop, rather than try twinning the effect. They tried that too, but no success yet.


Doriath is less than thrilled to learn that the plan involves timestopping and then untimestopping Doriath. There is a lot of muttering.

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Well, the birds were fine and they're going to try orcs if Doriath lets them. And since they can't leave with the Silmarils until the Enemy's handled, presumably they are not going to time stop all of Doriath.

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Doriath will let them try orcs if the orcs will swear not to cause any trouble in Doriath's borders.

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That seems like it might be hard to get orcs to do. They won't settle for unarmed orcs under guard?

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And then the Noldor happen to be "careless"...

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Doriath guard, perhaps. Or Elspeth. Or both.

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After exhaustive negotiation, orcs are allowed in, bound hand and foot and carried by the guards and with lots more guards around to shoot them if anything goes wrong. And to shoot them anyway after the testing.

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What fun.

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The orcs don't have private thoughts. They are scared and confused and horrified to be surrounded by this many Elves. Most of the Elves in Doriath can hear them panicking and it makes them vaguely uncomfortable.

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Elspeth wonders if they could be knocked out or something but concludes without help that they might need to know if the orcs are not just alive but lucid after the test.

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Yeah.

 

They freeze time around the orcs.

And unfreeze it.

 

The orcs continue their panicking in mid-thought.

 

The crowd erupts in cheers. The guards kill the orcs. 

And both Morgoths attack Doriath.

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If he can do that while there are Silmarils present why was he even waiting -

It had better work come on come on -

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He can't be said to be doing it very well, the air seems to eat at him the closer he gets and more molten something oozes out to replace it and as he gets closer he barely looks humanoid at all, just a gasping fiery deformity in the air.

The Silmarils work on one of him. The minute they try to extend it to the other, the first one goes loose. 

 

If we could get them both in the same place -

He's not stupid - 

We could take out the whole forest -

I'll kill you if you try that -

I'll kill you if you threaten him -

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Hey you.

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The oozing collapsing radioactive discontinuity in the atmosphere turns to look at Elspeth. I do have some employment opportunities available.

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That's not what she has in mind. She cannot punch Morgoth in the face - well, not and accomplish anything, she could maybe jump that high if she climbed a tree? - but she can talk. She can talk to anything.

What do you want?

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To destroy Eru. To destroy the Valar. To rock Arda off the foundation of its gilded rotting fate. For everyone who defies me to die slowly, for everyone who serves me to delight in delivering those deaths. 

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You can't pull that off.

But there are other worlds. I wound up here. So could someone else, someone stronger than me.

You might have neighbors who could help you.

And the second a Vala-killing-caliber power walks into this world why would they use that ability to help you?

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Seems like I am, in fact, pulling that off. And there are lots of reasons one might choose to aid the ruler of Arda.

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Not so much. Not if you can kill Valar and you don't need the Ruler of Arda alive for anything. Most evil people are not compatible forms of evil and many people are not evil at all. Everything he does paints a huge fucking target on himself.

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Everything I do? I have done nothing that you do not tolerate from those you call allies.

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She isn't a Valar-killer. Demonstrably. But he might take it as illustrative that the first extradimensional visitor Arda got did proceed promptly to trying to kill him even if it didn't work.

(Come on, come on, give her something to work with -)

 

There are many entities to whom this universe is accessible who could kill Valar. Most of them wouldn't get along with you.

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That seems like a problem to come to terms with after I kill everyone on this continent who will not swear me their obedience.

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Guess again. If something wanders by and it can kill you odds are good right now it'll want to. You don't look like you can be interacted with as a peer or an ally or a peaceful neighbor. You look incapable of that. You can't rely on tricking anybody that strong. And they won't be intimidated by your sworn minions either, not at that scale.

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So you propose I mend my ways and return to being a humble servant of the Valar? What a convenient conclusion to reach when I am about to kill you.

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I literally can't lie to save my life, she says. Not to anyone who's ever heard me introduce myself, let alone anyone who reads minds, except Dwarves and you're not a Dwarf. But I don't think you should serve the Valar. I just think you'd be best served by having a demonstrated ability to coexist with anyone who doesn't do whatever you say. Because people who can kill Valar are not going to be that interested in doing whatever you say.

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I am happy to coexist with anyone who acknowledges my right to do as I will within Arda.

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That's not what coexisting means. If he's this unclear on the concept then when something comes along and squishes him he'll deserve it for being a moron, not just for being evil.

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Exactly how likely do you think that is?

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She can't predict the future. And if Elspeth is really the first visitor, apparently it doesn't happen that often. She knows there are lots, but not exactly where, certainly not when, not which first -

But he can't kill the Valar himself. So he'd better have some plan for when something that can do it comes along. If he really wants that.

And being an evil moron is a very low-percentage strategy for that.

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And what exactly do you think I should offer them?

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That'll depend on what they want. She cannot conduct trade negotiations for him across this information barrier. And he can't conduct trade negotiations at all if he goes around being unpleasant-to-lethal to exist near.

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I offer these terms to the Elves: they forswear war with me, and I never again bother them or theirs. Is this the deal you had in mind?

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It's on the right track.

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Lovely. Ask the Elves if they accept. 

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If anybody wasn't listening this is a good time to start paying attention.

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He offered us those terms at the start of the war. We agreed and sent a representative to parley. He murdered everyone except the representative and tortured him in Angband, sending us occasional momentos, until Angband ceased to exist. Nope.

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This is not a request to send somebody to parley, this is a Vala menacing them and their superweapon doesn't work and the default is him murdering everyone anyway.

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So it's even more suspicious that he's offering terms. 

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What, doesn't he like her argument, she thinks it's very elegant.

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If the Enemy swears to retreat to the ruins of Angband and harm none of my subjects, I will abide by the same terms with him I gave Doriath.

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Elspeth relays these to the Enemy in case he hasn't been listening in this whole time.

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And all my orcs are dead. You will have to give me at least enough raw material to make new ones.

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She does not believe him they were able to find a bunch for the Silmaril test and it didn't even take that long they can't have gotten literally all the orcs.

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Maitimo observes that the Enemy is not going to stop torturing random Men and Elves who aren't his subjects, but maybe this will make Men and Elves more inclined to become his subjects. He doesn't point it out to Elspeth, anyway.

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It does at least occur to her to wonder who counts as "theirs".

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I am entertaining an agreement right now with the Noldo King. I will entertain a similar one with the Sinda King. I don't bother Dwarves; they are not very interesting to bother. I occasionally murder some for relaxation and will keep that up, I haven't the slightest incentive to stop, but I won't war with them and they're not much fun to torture.

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He has the slightest incentive, but apparently it's too slight. He can put 'can't give up short-term amusement for improved public relations' on his resume.

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I promise to only torture people you'll never hear about and about whom there'll be no evidence they ever existed.

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Really. Would he like to swear that. Because she can't predict who she'll suddenly come up with evidence for the existence of and neither can he.

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I will sign terms with any kingdom that cares to negotiate them, which include the protection of their subjects.

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She hadn't gotten the impression that signing was how things were usually done around here.

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My meaning was understood. Any group of people too weak to have a leader who can swear to terms I claim as mine; no Vala-destroying power will doubt my capacity as an ally because I stomp on ants.

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Elspeth disagrees. This world may have given him a biased sample of how many people are fucking evil.

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Working towards none of my ends in the hopes it will make an imaginary future person like me does not interest me. That's the best you get.

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Fine. Can't save everyone. She's not a Vala destroying power herself or this conversation would be going differently i.e. not at all.

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And while the Enemy commits himself to not bothering the various shellshocked kingdoms, Findekano says to his King, 'if we find a way to kill him - you're sworn not to do it -'

"I'll help you make sure that removing me from power and putting in someone who's not sworn not to wipe him off the map goes smoothly, yes," he says. "If you stay."

"If it helps you do the right thing," he says, "always."

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Elspeth listens in on the swearings. She is solemnly satisfied with herself, considering.

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Yes, look at all of these awful people currently sworn not to kill each other.

 

Melkor retreats north to begin rebuilding Angband.

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Well, some of the awful people can shelter some non-awful people.

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The Noldorin empire is going to take everyone on military duty and set them to cleaning up all that ugly scorched earth and rebuilding, yeah.

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And now they're not besieged and could feed people. And stuff.

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Yeah, yeah, the King hates famines as a matter of principle and as soon as there's enough food it'll be distributed wherever in the empire it's needed.

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Good.

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The reconstruction effort is very efficient and very thoughtful and managed competently and doesn't involve any slave labor or anything. The Noldor take back their Silmarils. They didn't swear not to figure out how to kill the Enemy so they keep working on that. 

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She's not going to argue with that.

She thinks she will stay in Doriath with the blood berry bush and nobody she has punched in the face unless someone has an objection or Findekáno wants her as an advisor or something.

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Findekáno can write her letters. He does, occasionally. He's trying to get Maitimo to overhaul the system for conscription of Men to be less tidily coercive.

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It is pretty tidily that. Outright compulsory military service is not unheard of in Earth human countries but here is what she knows about other ways to orchestrate it.

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Eventually a system is implemented that is just as tidy and less coercive. Findekáno does not communicate how he achieved this.

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It's probably at least partly the obvious thing, which remains Findekáno's prerogative.

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They make it work. The King likes games, and seems to like this one as much as the old one, even if it does mean living in constant terror that Findekáno will get tired and leave. Findekáno is not tired. He does not leave. He fixes things. He will not reward Maitimo with affection but he will reward Maitimo with sex. Maybe someday he will have fixed all the things within reach and leave; maybe someday he will have fixed all the things within reach and Maitimo will turn out to have been one of the things within reach and they will grieve together for the love they once shared and then have a go at rebuilding it.

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Elspeth does not know why Melian has so much trouble understanding her. It's not that her magic doesn't work at all, Melian understands her to be honest and can read her mind and stuff. The barrier is actually worse than with Dwarves. She can make sense of things for Dwarves without supernatural assistance, it just doesn't get up to her usual standard. Melian is somehow less able to understand her than that with magical help and it's annoying.

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Melian does not even notice that Elspeth is annoyed!

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Does Lúthien maybe have any ideas for what it could be?

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"I mean, the Maiar think very differently from us? It takes a while to learn, I think. You'll get there eventually."

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Differently like how? Elspeth's witchcraft is so desperate for understanding that she can sometimes pull together information she has no other way to know solely by constructing the right analogies to communicate things. Elspeth can talk to rocks. Why this deficiency?

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"Their minds are much much bigger and they have much more attention and they care about completely different things and experience the world very differently..."

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Vampires have bigger minds too...

...how much bigger are Maiar?

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"Probably a hundred times as much conscious attention, compared to an Elf?"

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Come to think of it Elspeth's not sure exactly how much an Elf has, but it's less than a vampire and probably less than a half-vampire.

...She's been throttling her magic so she doesn't overwhelm people. Is she just... not explaining fast enough for Melian or something?

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"Fast enough?"

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Well, even around vampires she can't go at top projection speed all the time; they'll recover but it takes a while and that's if she's just doing full context layering and content nesting, it doesn't even have to be a mnemic blast. Maybe Melian is just missing so much context that she's barely keeping up with what Elspeth's trying to communicate when Elspeth's throttled to Elf-safe levels.

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"Huh. That sounds possible."

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But if Maiar have such big minds Elspeth could maybe just speed up? If she comes up with anything that urgently needs communicated, anyway, she mostly doesn't urgently need that with Melian in particular.

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"Pretty sure you couldn't send anything so complicated it bothered her, yeah. What sort of things have you had trouble explaining?"

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Oh, why having a beautiful throne room did not constitute evidence of her benevolence was the first one but it's been a dozen little things, she seems to miss the motives holding any story Elspeth might relate together.

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"Well, maybe now you can give it another try!"

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Yup! She can do that next time there is anything she wants to tell Melian beyond being background open to people peering at her thoughts.

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Doriath is so pretty! Now that the war's over Doriath doesn't need Dwarves so the King expels them all. People are very happy; they didn't like Dwarves.

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...is this one of the more humane expulsions Elspeth has ever heard of or not so much?

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Very humane! They just told all the Dwarves to leave, and they all did!

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Why were there even Dwarves here to begin with?

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Dwarves built Menegroth and gave the Doriathrim weapons for the war.

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Why'd they do that? The Doriathim don't seem exactly friendly to them.

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Well, the Doriathrim rather insisted.

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Does, uh, anybody see the problem here.

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They're Dwarves. So, not really.

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Well.

Elspeth does not contain any Dwarves, but she did live with them for a while and she's chock full of analogies. This a good time to try Explaining Really Fast?

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Melian is happy to grant her an audience.

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And Elspeth... explains.

Really fast.

A vampire would be inconvenienced for a couple minutes trying to find places to put it all.

(She has wolves whose natural enemies slaughtered their people and made pets of them - she has Aro's snacks who were conquered, who were slaves, who were vassals to powerful neighbors and didn't dare object - she has the dim but echoing human memories of vampires who once were kings and generals and crusaders against, oh, who, somebody, not people, and some of them have since learned regret -)

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And Melian goes very still for a while, not inconvenienced but absorbed. Thank you. That is interesting.

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It is not the most dramatic possible result, but. You're welcome.

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I understand why it might be best for incarnates to conduct themselves differently, if they will later regret their course and pursue it from a lack of understanding. My concern is the protection of Doriath and I cannot regret anything that protects it, but I can understand that now to be a difference between us.

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...Headtilt. Elspeth is not sure she understands.

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You have explained the incarnate perspective astonishingly well! I am not an incarnate and so I find it interesting but not compelling the way, say, protecting Doriath or having Elu is compelling.

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...Is there just a general Ainur-understanding-incarnates problem? Because that would kind of explain a lot.

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There is! Their minds are very foreign to us.

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Do the Valar maybe want to understand incarnates?

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Very dearly, as I understand it.

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Cool. Where does she go to explain things to Valar.

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Valinor?

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She supposes she could build a raft to sleep on and tow it across. If there's not a better way to get there.

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Airplanes?

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Is there one lying around? She could make one from scratch, she guesses, but it would take longer than rafting across a sea.

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No, Doriath doesn't have any, but the Noldor have them whizzing around left and right.

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Well, would they like to donate one to Project Valar Having A Fucking Clue, she inquires in her next letter to Findekáno.

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He replies sure, but she should be careful lest they Vala it out of the sky in annoyance or fear.

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How does one be careful in such a way as to not annoy or frighten Valar?

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Go to the ocean and petition Ulmo humbly for several months, generally.

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Can her berry bush be potted?

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Melian can give her a cutting.

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Elspeth and her potted cutting head to the seashore and she attempts to get ahold of Ulmo.

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It takes a month! When he rises out of the sea he is like Melian, but moreso, and she finds herself kneeling in the water.

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Well, that's... a thing they can do, she supposes.

Hello. I can explain incarnates to Ainur. I heard you might be interested.

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Very much so.

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Anything specific, or should I just sort of hit you with everything?

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Do you understand why the Noldor rebelled and left?

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I'm not completely up on the history but I can try to interpret the facts for you if you tell me the story.

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We invited them to come to Valinor. And they did, and lived there, and then they heard that Men would be coming to the Outer Lands and they were jealous that their birthright would go to lesser races so they asked to leave. We said that it was unwise, but that they had leave. Then they murdered a lot of people and stole their boats and left.

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They were jealous? She has not seen this made manifest; how does Ulmo think he knows that?

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It started when they found out about Men inheriting the Outer Lands. And they said 'we alone shall be the rulers of Arda, no other race shall oust us!' What would you expect it to look like if they were jealous?

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Probably less of all this only mildly exploitative governance of humans thing they're doing. Also they might have been saying that the Valar were not suitable rulers of Arda.

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Why would they think that?

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Lots of reasons. Here they are in all their very quickly explained glory.

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He goes even stiller, for even longer, than Melian.

I always thought bringing them to Valinor in the first place was a bad idea.

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Well, Valinor sounded mostly pretty nice to her, but in a way that compensated for the Valar sticking around after designing the place more than anything else.

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I don't think most Elves feel that way about it at all.

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Unfortunately the quality of her explanations is limited by what she has stored, and she only has snippets of osanwëd elf memories, so if Elves are weird in some way she cannot necessarily account for that.

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You would expect most people of the kind you understand to resent the Valar and regard them as a downside to life in Valinor?

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Maybe not if they were very conservative and obedient by inclination. But any substantial population not selected for that yeah there'd be problems.

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That is useful to know. I will go try to explain it to my brethren.

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Would he like her to come along? She does like explaining things and wasn't particularly doing anything important in Doriath.

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Will you disrupt the peace of Valinor?

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She has to be about yea provoked (and about yea unsupervised by deities) to disturb the peace of anything. However, she does think pretty loud and contains concepts and images potentially unsuitable for children or Valian Elves.

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I can take you to the Valar without bothering any Elves.

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Then she is pretty unlikely to disturb the peace of Valinor.

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Then the waves will rush up around them and she is standing on a different shore. It is strewn with gemstones. Ulmo joins her. I hate leaving the water, he says gloomily. This is a hundred miles south of Alqualonde, the Elven coastal city. Am I doing better at explaining things incarnates want to know?

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She didn't really meet him before, but it is in fact kind of reassuringly conversational that he remarked on not liking to leave the water and she does like having an idea where they are!

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The fastest way to get inland from here is flying! I think incarnates find it upsetting but I do know how to keep speed, noise, and temperature within their tolerances. We could also walk. Walking with me will be much faster than usual.

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Flying actually sounds like lots of fun to Elspeth, and if it's not fun it will at least be educational. She has the following speed/noise/temperature tolerances.

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Then they will fly! At eighty percent of her tolerances! For Taniquetil! It will not take long.

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Whee!

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If they were going slower they could appreciate the scenery; it's lovely. Instead they reach Taniquetil and Ulmo says gravely, Elspeth has a magic that allows her to explain incarnates.

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She does! She has that. She can repeat what she gave Ulmo or they could ask her about something else or she could just sort of firehose Incarnates: The Concept at them.

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They want to know why incarnates don't always do Eru's will even when they understand it.

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Oh boy has she got information on that. Not so much Eru in particular but she's got lots of people sincerely believing in Earth religions - or obliged to pretend - or wracked with doubt - wrestling with temptations and beating their heads against theological debate and drowning in why why why and forgetting their laws their vows their convictions in a moment's excitement or lust or confusion -

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This is so helpful. She has fourteen Valar positively glowing at her, which regrettably feels like more static and air pressure.

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Well, that's kind of uncomfortable but she assumes they can't help it.

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They can't! Containing themselves in incarnate forms: really hard. Does she know why Elves want their loved ones back from Mandos even if it is not the proper time.

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Her most vivid examples on this are vampires in infinite abysses of grief - this is probably not exactly what the Elves are doing - there are human examples too, though, worlds with the color drained from them without a lost person bringing light and dimension - disclaimer, by and large these people did not expect their loved ones to come back and start walking around again ever, that's not so much a thing in her world.

Here's Marcus and his Didyme new-made all over again and his white ribbon healing itself in the air -

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Some of the Valar are weeping.

Then how to explain to them when their loved ones cannot be permitted to return -

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Well. Why can't they?

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They don't desire to, or they are too dangerous to others, or they will be in uncorrectable terrible pain, or they are not worthy...

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"Not worthy" is going to be a really hard sell to somebody who loves them. Among vampires (again: this is probably not what the Elves are doing) it is taken for granted that if you kill a mated vampire you can't leave their mate alive, not like that, not even if the mate's innocent, sufficiently desperate affection doesn't care what they did -

If there's a way to convey the lack of desire to live directly that could help - or to explain, really compassionately explain that the best interests of the person do not involve being alive, that they would hurt -

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The Valar briefly consider whether they should also kill the loved ones of dead Elves, would that help.

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Probably not. They're not vampires. If they're normally not allowed to commit suicide they could make an exception to that rule, maybe.

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It's not 'not allowed' but it's a really serious fault of the soul and violation of Eru's will. They think it keeps being so if the Elf in question is super sad about lost loved ones, but perhaps they should check.

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Does Eru need incarnates explained to him too, perchance?

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....maybe? They can petition him to come speak to her!

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She is totally willing to explain things to anyone who needs things explained! It is her whole deal!

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Eru doesn't make an appearance, but the Valar have more questions. Why was Feanáro upset about his father's remarriage? They explain the context there.

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Well, probably because he was a grieving small child informed that his mother was never coming back and that he had to accommodate this total stranger in a capacity implying that she was to be a replacement.

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So how should they have handled that one.

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The only part that was definitely any of their business was Miriel having to stay dead. They should not have obliged Miriel to stay dead. They might have chosen to advise Finwë to hold off on remarrying until his kid was grown up but that doesn't seem a good use of divine command.

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And the Noldorin civil war? What should they have done about that? What they did was 'nothing' because they'd learned the lessons of overintervention but now the King of the Noldor was quite evil, maybe they should have done something.

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Yeah he's pretty evil. More context on the leadup to the war?

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Finwe was King, and the following bitter divisions and suspicions cropped up among his children, and then when he was assassinated both his sons made bids for the throne and there were violent clashes in the streets and then they escalated and then the one brother assassinated the other and then the current King killed a dozen people and ended it and marched his abruptly united host on Alqualonde to steal their boats.

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Well, that's a mess. It is actually possible that once it got to that point there is nothing the Valar could have done - well, maybe, she's a little unclear on how fine-grained their magic powers are. The awkward half-sibling backstory probably didn't help. ...Weren't they making sure people who were dangerous to others stayed dead, by the way, how'd they miss Melkor.

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After three Ages imprisonment they paroled him because he apologized profusely, did lots of public works, etcetera. It seemed cruel to imprison someone for all eternity. They've learned their lesson now and don't parole people anymore.

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They might be overapplying this lesson. What with the Powers and incarnates being different sorts of thing. She is sort of optimistic that even the evil king will cut it out one day in like five hundred years via frequent exposure to his non-horrible victim who is way fonder of him than Elspeth is!

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That seems in general hard to orchestrate though! Also can Elspeth explain that situation the Valar are confused about how they could have prevented it.

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Here is what the evil King was eviling and what Elspeth did about that and what the evil King did about that and what Findekáno did about that. His current status is... nonurgent.

Rehabilitative justice is in fact difficult! But probably not impossible when you have enough information. But it's probably still a good idea to supervise people who are being rehabilitatively justiced and not just sort of let them assassinate people.

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They were very closely supervising Melkor! He had a thousand years of saintly behavior under his belt and then he slipped the supervision!

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How'd he do that?

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Managed to figure out what it was checking and technically abide by all of that while evildoing.

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It wasn't checking for "assassinating people"?

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That was the first notice they got that he'd stopped cooperating, and he fled the continent immediately!

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It is customary to, when supervising someone who may do bad things, make it actually difficult for them to do them and actually difficult for them to leave custody, or at least have some way of verifying that they really don't mean to over some period of time. Addy, for example, has her mind read kind of a lot to make sure she's not up to anything.

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They thought they had those. They underestimated the Enemy. He had a means of faking some oaths he made.

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How'd he do that?

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They aren't sure! 

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Well, they're the same sort of thing, right, how would they do that if they wanted to?

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They wouldn't want to, and so can't think how they would.

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That seems like a drawback. Do they always have this problem? Is that why incarnates are so confusing?

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Yes. To do something and to think about doing it and to desire to do it are all the same for them. Incarnates are different, apparently.

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Yep. Well, what did it look like when he delivered the oaths?

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They show her the memory; Melkor kneeling before them, sobbing, pleading for another chance at life, promising never to harm even the smallest creature in Arda, promising to fix everything he'd done wrong with orcs, promising to heal Arda together with them...

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Well, was he definitely speaking aloud? It does have to involve speaking aloud if she remembers right.

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He was speaking aloud.

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Well, if vampires did oaths one could fool Elspeth by going out of her pitch range, but presumably Valar all hear the same pitches and stuff...

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Depends on how they're doing their senses, actually.

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How were they doing their senses?

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Fourteen different answers. Some of them had incarnate forms, some of them were just aware of all things in the relevant radius but in a way difficult to translate to senses.

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Well. Are the latter group sure he wasn't sneaking anything into all that sobbing?

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....no.

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That might be it then.

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Elspeth is so helpful! Can she explain why not all the Elves wanted to come to Valinor.

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Not even all the Valar thought that was a good idea, right? How was the idea presented?

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They showed up and told the Elves how nice Valinor was! And safe!

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...so, total strangers who do weird things to the air around them and have difficulty holding normal conversations with incarnates that take their traits into account show up and announce that they want to uproot some Elves and take them to this place none of the Elves have ever seen and it is definitely nice, and safe, because they totally know how these things work for incarnates right, and are totally trustworthy...

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But it was nice and safe! For nearly four hundred Years it was perfectly so!

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Look, sometimes people who don't know Elspeth don't believe her when she says wacky things out of nowhere, she has about a sixty percent success rate leading directly with "so! vampires exist!" when she's talking to somebody who's wandered into a Coven site instead of doing a whole "sit down this is complicated" shtick, and the Valar were operating with a handicap where she has an overwhelming advantage.

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It's actually pretty impressive that most of the Elves came. They should congratulate the Elves.

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At this point that would probably sound condescending.

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Can she explain condescending.

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Yup!

They might be able to pull off something like congratulating the Elves if it were more in the form of an apology for being so inscrutable and not realizing what a leap of faith coming to Valinor was, but just "millennia later, by the way, congratulations" is gonna have problems.

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What kind of problems? If it's a nice thing, why would a couple thousand years make it less nice?

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Time kinda matters to incarnates. It matters when things happen before other things, even if the things are "more of whatever is going on already", and this adds up to urgency and scheduling and panics over being late and hurrying through things - and saying things a couple thousand years late implies all kinds of stuff about what can possibly have been on your mind in the intervening couple thousand years and that matters -

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Oh.

 

In hindsight, not saying or doing anything for three Years after the Darkening probably was a bad idea! Incarnates would have cared about that!

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Yup!

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Maybe the civil war wouldn't have happened!

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Possible! Only if they did useful things during that time as opposed to unhelpful things but three Years is a long time.

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They could have put everyone inclined to have a civil war in Lorien, at least.

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That might not have been taken well. They don't seem like the "ooh, lovely gilded cage" types.

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Well, they kind of deserve it for having a civil war! Also can she explain 'lovely gilded cage types'?

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Gilded cages are this concept. The one she was in one time was like this! She was not in it for starting a civil war but for other reasons. The problem with them is that however comfy they are you cannot leave them and go do things, and they may have had things in mind besides having civil wars, like going and fighting the Enemy.

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Which was silly of them; they couldn't possibly have won. The Valar told them this.

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And the Valar were believable because?

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The Valar were right!

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No, see, they just discussed this, that doesn't necessarily help.

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How could they have explained it to the incarnates? Other than 'look, you've seen us, you don't even know how to injure us!'

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Well, maybe they could have gone into more detail on how exactly Valar were uninjurable and then the nuke wouldn't have been such a surprise disappointment.

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The incarnates didn't even ask, just started having a civil war! Also they did not think it'd be wise to warn them against nuclear bombs since that would involve telling them about nuclear bombs.

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They can volunteer information without having to be asked! And, well, now they know about nuclear bombs anyway. Why didn't it work?

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Because the Valar do not have to have a physical form at all if they don't want one, and making new ones only takes so long if they want the new ones to be humanoid and have senses and so forth. Delaying a Maia by destroying their physical form works fine; delaying a Vala like this really doesn't, unless the Vala for aesthetic reasons doesn't want to take physical form again until they can have a pretty one. Melkor doesn't have that aesthetic preference. 

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That explains why he is now two walking fallout clouds. At least he is now sort of behaving himself, although Elspeth does not think he really took her argument as far as it deserved.

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Yeah, the current situation does not seem good but if the Valar get involved the continent will crumble into the sea.

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That would be bad. Why would that happen?

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Melkor has magically invested himself into the ground. It makes him much weaker but also means that a magic contest with him would involve channeling lots of powerful magic into the ground.

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Elspeth considers offering her services as a herald so an evacuation attempt would get better turnout than the last time the Valar tried to convince a bunch of people to go somewhere but unfortunately she doesn't work at all on Dwarves...

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Dwarves are very confusing can she explain them any?

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Dwarves are great! She doesn't personally love living among them but that's because she's kinda attached to broadcasting herself all the time, she thinks they're lovely. They do economics and understand incentives really well and are much less horrible than most people around here!

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Why are most people horrible? The Valar tried to explain to them how to not be horrible.

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...well, the Valar aren't that good at explaining things, but Elspeth hasn't actually had much luck explaining to people how not to be horrible, either, she kinda had to extort the evil king to get any ground given there, so it may not be a gap in understanding per se. They might just think they're more important than other people, or be frustrated or in pain and lashing out because their self-control or desire to exercise it has eroded, or rationalizing because they see no other way to meet their needs and goals...

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Valinor had anything anyone needed! There was no need to be evil to achieve what you wanted!

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Really? Anything? So all the unworthy dead, they're coming back any minute -?

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Okay, but being evil wouldn't help with that anyway.

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Well, yes, but people have coping mechanisms and some of them are evil. You can't just take people in pain and tell them to shut up because they live in paradise. This will only work some of the time.

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And now that they're all super evil the Valar don't want to invite them to paradise.

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Which kind of puts paid to the "how about living in paradise instead of being evil" strategy for morality management, so now anyone inclined to being evil may as well go nuts, because why not. Incentives!

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People should want to not be evil for its own sake!

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Well, sure. She agrees, even. But it's hard for some people more than others, and people cannot always do hard things.

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So they should just go 'hello, evil King, you are free to move back to Valinor any time, maybe consider saying sorry for the boat massacre?'

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That's probably not a great plan either. Sorry, just because Elspeth understands more things about what's going on doesn't mean she has all the answers.

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Elspeth has been very helpful and shouldn't feel bad about not having a perfect solution! Only Eru has that and apparently he's not in the mood to talk!

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That sounds very frustrating!

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It was sweet of Elspeth to come explain incarnates anyway. Does she want anything?

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She wants to go home. Or at least have a way to tell them she's all right, if her wolf's managed to hang on this long...

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They can send her home! To right where she left from?

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There is fine!

Is there a way to let Findekáno know she's going home? He might worry, and he's not horrible.

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They can send a herald of the Valar. Her judgment of him seems a little kind, though; he sleeps with men, after all. That is pretty horrible.

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...no not especially.

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There are admittedly lots of people who are worse.

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That is not really what she was getting at.

She has some gay vampire memories! Vampires can't afford to be bigoted about this sort of thing, wouldn't get them anywhere.

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Well, Elves and vampires might be different. Also note how all of those are serial killers.

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Not all of them. Gianna's not.

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Still. Eru said not to do that, and the Elves know better. If Findekáno'd avoided it in the first place he'd never have caught the attention of the evil King.

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Victim-blaming.

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It seems fairly obvious that if Findekáno didn't sleep with men none of this would have happened! What's the problem with this observation, is it another incarnate thing?

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Well, if Findekáno were a girl and Maitimo liked girls, or vice versa, the exact same thing could have happened anyway. The problem is Maitimo being evil, that's all.

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Yeah. Okay. They'll send a courier to Findekáno and the courier will not suggest to him that his problems could have been avoided by abiding by Eru's law. 

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It's probably occurred to him at least once in the last three and a half centuries, she's sure. Why did Eru even make gay people if they're just supposed to suffer? She could cope indefinitely without romance or the hope of it if that were a good idea for some reason (in fact she has a wolf, but) but she's weird.

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It's character-building to cope indefinitely without romance or the hope of it, but also if anyone doesn't want their character built the Valar will just fix them.

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Hiss.

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Can she explain?

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Yes. Yes she can.

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Well.

 

Offering still seems better than not offering. In case people would like to get fixed.

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Sure. She's got memories from a wolf who didn't want to be gay anymore and went and found himself an imprint. But this is mostly because people would have made his life hard if he'd just gone around being gay. And those people are jerks.

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But was he happy once he found himself an imprint?

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Yep. Just not quite himself as he was anymore.

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So, seems like a good option for people to have if they'd like. The Valar will not be jerks to people, but they will tell people Eru's will because people ought to know what Eru wants, even if they decide not to listen.

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Elspeth is kinda not sure why it matters what Eru wants.

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It matters to lots of people, even if Elspeth isn't one of them.

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Sure. But going out of your way to make sure everybody knows implies it ought to matter to them. Nobody's going around making sure everyone knows a random human farmer's opinions on gay people because no one cares to imply that. Why?

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Eru created the universe and all the people in it.

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So?

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If you asked people 'whose opinions do you care about' lots of them will mention the creator of the universe, won't they?

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Well, they can't exactly get clean data because everybody in Arda they could ask has probably been brought up being told things about whether they ought to care about Eru's opinions, but while the situation is not exactly analogous Elspeth contains plenty of contempt for hypothetical Earth divinity on the grounds that they have clearly done a shoddy job. She does not have her mama's memories from her mama's own perspective but she did still raise her.

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So some people will hear Eru's will and decide they don't care. Other people on Earth do try very much, though, right, and even without much clarity about what their creator wants?

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Yeah. It's kind of a mess, honestly. And leads to people being jerks at anyone who disagrees or can't live up to their standards. There's, like, Grandpa Carlisle, but he's a rare bird.

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And he'd want to know what his creator wanted from him even if it was hard and unfair, right? So even if Elspeth objects they will keep on making it known.

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Well, his interest in his creator's desires has a lot to do with believing they are not unfair.

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Well, it is for the Elves to judge whether Eru is unfair!

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Okay then.

...totally is though.

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Yes, she's communicated very well that she thinks so. Does she want to go home now.

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If they're all done having things explained sure!

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They think incarnates make sense now!

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Okay! They should be careful not to be too overconfident with that, even people who are incarnates can make huge mistakes in understanding others!

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Noted! They've been erring on the side of caution anyway, and will keep doing that. And home?

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Home!

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And she is right where she left from.