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Somebody portalsnaked to Hex, like, decades ago
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Marlatia is suddenly casting a larger international shadow than it used to. They have surpluses of everything and interesting technology they're building up a base to homemake-and-customize and alien visitors and islands that were not there before and it is rumored that the King and Queen and those closest to them have powers beyond those of mere spellbinders.

For example, a decent fraction of the royal household now has Allspeak and Cricket is under strict instructions to confine his yowling to moments when no one who is not supposed to know what he's yowling about is present.

Accordingly, he has crashed this game of Governor that Iobel and Mitros are playing on Loki's suggestion and muttering from Iobel's lap about how isn't it appropriate that he should play GAMES with her because he PLAYED GAMES with her HEART.

"Kitty, you sound ridiculous. Also, you said the same thing when it was a fourteen-person game of card chips."

"I do not care."

And that is when someone knocks to let them know that there's a petitioner with an unusual story; he's willing to wait, but they might want to hear about it sooner?

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He is, like, three moves off from this absurdly clever play that Iobel will admire and Cricket will probably hiss at. But it's not as if he'll forget it. "Sure, we'll hear him."

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So they go see the petitioner, who is an older fellow, no easily recognizable ethnicity, doesn't even speak Marlese because he's from the far south and is pleased to hear he doesn't need to wait for a translator -

- clarifies that he's not actually from the far south, he's from another world, he usually doesn't tell people this because nobody believes him but they say the monarchs of Marlatia get their strange powers from afar -

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"Can you describe the world you're from?"

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He can! It has humans, but... differently. He was alarmed when he got here to learn that humans breed the way animals do; in his world it's different. There are two big continents and servantmakers and then there was this... snake thing... which is not normally a feature of his native world... he probably sounds crazy.

"No, not particularly," Iobel assures him.

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"And you arrived here? When was this?"

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"Sixty... ish... years ago?" he says. "I think days are shorter here, I'm not sure exactly... it was a long time ago..."

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"Do you want to go back?" 'this person's native dimension' should be enough targeting for Loki's spell...

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"I have a home here, now, but I would like to see the place again and know what became of it..."

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Allspeak off. "...think we should just head over, or should we call one of your less squishable alts?" he murmurs to the Queen.

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"Place sounds safe, but maybe the snake monster heralded an apocalypse, probably better to send Cam."

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Allspeak back on. "Please stay for lunch while we do some magic to determine if it's safe to go visit your world," he says, and then writes 'attn.: Cam, we have an accidental interdimensional visitor from another human planet, weird one, come say hi' on a piece of paper, and then has some people bring them all lunch.

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Cam shows up mid-lunchtime. "Accidental? Like Elspeth?"

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"Not quite. Unprecedented snake monster, showed up, portaled him to Hex, he heard we had strange powers and came to see if we could let him visit the place. Decades ago."

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"Also, on his home world, babies appear in the wild and starve to death unless storks fetch them."

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"Storks? You've got to be fucking with me."

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Allspeak back on - "Sir, can you explain to Cam about the storks?"

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"Storks are a kind of servant, I don't remember which kind, it was so long ago. They're hollow, and they go around looking for babies and putting them in their hollows and bringing them to creches."

"...I suppose this isn't literally more of a coincidence than vampires," Cam mutters. "Okay, can you describe the place you were when you got snake monstered? I'll go check it out, make sure it's all right to bring people there."

And eventually Cam has enough to go on, and he (in a snazzy leather coat so he will merely look outlandishly dressed, not outlandishly appendaged) goes.

It's... a town. With little robots running around, but otherwise not too high-tech. Somebody is riding an ostrich.

There are beautifully painted signs advertising "This way to Little Valinor" and informational flyers under them about Our Friends The Elves and what the fuck.

Cam strolls towards Little Valinor, reading one of the infosheets.

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Little Valinor: very pretty! The little robots running around are also pretty! There is an Elf at the elaborate gates of the entrance who tells him the visitor's fee in local currency.

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"How," says Cam in Quenya, "did there come to be a Little Valinor here?"

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"...Akibel? I'm sorry, I didn't recognize you!" It's definitely Akibel, he's just older - "are the portals open again?"

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"I'm sorry, I have no idea what you're talking about and my name is Cam."

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He blinks. "Um. Welcome to Little Valinor! Sixty years ago, the Valar opened this portal between our world and theirs, so that Elves and humans could live together and help each other! Elves can't servantmake, so humans make them shines and automata and golems, and Elves produce chassis for public health projects and restaurants so no one goes hungry and try to raise enough money to fund all the storks so babies stop dying, because to Elven cultural sensitivities babies starving in the wild is very upsetting! Ten years later the Valar had to close the portals, but some of us stayed, and we've carried on the same mission.

 

And you look exactly like Akibel, the human who spearheaded the whole project and who chose to stay in Valinor when the portals were closed."

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"I see. It's very nice to meet you," says Cam, "and I would like to meet him too - he's still in Large Valinor? Why did the portals close?"

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"The Enemy smuggled human babies through them to use as servantmakers in his war with Valinor. Didn't seem safe for either world to leave them open."

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"...ah. And you haven't heard back since?"

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"No."

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"I see. Thank you."

Cam returns to Marlatia. "Seems safe! Also there is an Elf neighborhood there called Little Valinor and I look like the guy who spearheaded the project to get the worlds in contact before the Valar closed the portals! They have not had word recently and the Enemy may be an ongoing concern!"

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"Complete works of your presumed alt?"

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"Ah-huh." He shuffles through them. "...Buncha notes... his handwriting suddenly gets worse and then improves again... huge temporal gap, here, he's written a page and a half in the last several years..."

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"...what? I mean, if he got a way to do the notetaking functionality without literally writing anything down - or for that matter if he were prevented from writing - why would there be even a page and a half in the gap -?"

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"Do we have anything we can do about the Enemy in this Arda - if it's outside the range of the only weapon that's successfully killed him-"

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"...teleport the entire planet away without him on it? Might want to reasonableize-and-warn the Valar first in case they need to prep the flatness of the planet for transit first."

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"Might be able to follow..."

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"Take it two hops?"

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"I'd worry the Enemy just jumps to Stork Planet, but I suppose we could move them too."

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"And he hasn't jumped to Stork Planet already - and Elentári's never went to Edda -"

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"And the Valar closed the portals presumably because they thought it'd make a difference. Okay. You want to go in alone or fetch Loki or fetch an Elf alt?"

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"I think I'll go scope the place alone and come back for Elspeth and anyone else who seems called-for after I've sussed it out; Loki's asleep."

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"Have fun. Dismiss and resummon if we don't hear from you or get a message in a week?"

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"Sensible precaution."

And he writes up a note for Space Arda demonic distribution and hops through Little Valinor to, well, Large Valinor.

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It is sunlit and stunningly beautiful. There's a white city on a hilltop a few miles away.

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Yup that's a Valinor.

Cam runs checks for local alts, narrows them down, teleports to the continent they're on - not Beleriand, hmm - narrows them down a bit farther, hops closer, strolls over to the city.

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It is still being constructed, by robots, but large areas are already completed. People turn and stare. Someone mutters to one of the golems and it answers him and then they tense considerably and then there are a couple dozen robots with pointy sticks marching at Cam.

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"Uh, hello? I come in peace?"

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A human girl steps out from behind them. "Stop," she says, warily, to the robots, and they do. "Hi. Why are you impersonating Kib, and how in Arda'd you think you'd get away with it?"

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Blink. "I'm not impersonating anybody, this is just what I look like. If you would prefer a representative who doesn't look like me I can go get one, but they will be somewhat less even-keeled about the pointy sticks."

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"Representative of what?"

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Vague gesture. "Sorry, I don't actually have a generic introductory spiel or anything, should really get on that - you already know there's other worlds, though, right? There's lots of them. Some of them have duplicates of people in them. You I don't recognize, but unless we just coincidentally look really similar I'm guessing Kib's one of my alts. The others are all girls so far, though, won't look like they're trying to impersonate him..."

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"Oh.

 

Okay.

 

It's only a little bit that you look like you're trying to impersonate him and more that Aydanci will probably be in unspeakable pain all week. More than he is all the time, I mean. I'll ask him if he wants to meet you anyway. Do any of the other worlds still have an Enemy problem because we murdered the fuck out of ours."

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"Oh, congratulations! We've - well, one of my alts in particular - killed two and a third of them got away, but if your method of Enemy-killing is portable it may come in handy, some stuff doesn't work in some worlds. Who's Aydanci?"

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"Kib's husband. Friend of mine. It - they almost got Kib back, once, and then they lost him again and it crushed him and it might be kind of weird for him, seeing you, walking around and happy and okay."

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"I can get one of the girl ones but you need to not brandish pointy sticks at her, the reason I do the scouting is because I'm indestructible and we've got slightly higher safety requirements for everybody else."

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"Do the girl ones look like Aly, because that. Wouldn't help either. Hey, can someone osanwe Aydanci and ask him? And also the King?"

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"...I don't know what Aly looks like? Who's Aly?"

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"Humans reincarnate! Well, only some of them, possibly only Kib and Aydanci, my guess is that it has something to do with Kib having invented storks but we don't really have a good explanation. And we don't know for sure if it'd happen again or we'd have killed Kib. But Kib used to be a girl, named Aly, and then she died, and a few days later a stork brought Kib to a crèche and he had the same personality and then he started getting dreams about being Aly. And Aly'd died young and had a husband who she loved very much, and that husband was Aydanci. So Kib went and found Aydanci and then the Valar let them be married even though they're both boys because they'd been married before, and they were happy.

 

And then the Enemy killed Aydanci, and Kib sent the storks to find Aydanci's reincarnation and bring him, and the new Aydanci and I were the same age and grew up as friends and stuff and we had to do all the servantmaking because Elves can't servantmake, and then Aydanci started getting dreams about his past life and fell in love with Kib, and they were married again, and then the Enemy got Kib and tortured him and he doesn't scream in his sleep like he did the first ten years but he's. Not. He's gone."

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"Well, shit. Uh, I've got a picture -" He pulls up a picture of himself and Loki and Iobel - "This one's out of date, we've got a new alt, same face as the other girls but paler and gold eyes, Iobel's height not Loki's - Iobel's the one with the cat - Aly look like them?"

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"...don't think so, but I should ask the King, he'd probably know and probably not be super sad if it turns out it is - Nelyooooo -"

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And he steps out. He looks at Cam with an odd mixture of relief and loathing. "No," he says coldly, "that isn't Aly."

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"...hello. Would this be more comfortable if I went and swapped for one of those then, I am not here to upset anyone. Or, like, instances of me could be out of the picture altogether except insofar as you might want us to look over Kib! I could go get one of you, or something."

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His expression changes as swiftly as if it's magic. He can damn well play along with this a little longer, even now that Thauron's thrown plausibility aside. "Not upset, sorry, just terribly confused. Unless worlds have a recent point of divergence it doesn't make sense that they'd have alternate universe versions of people who look identical. You are quite welcome here.

The most obvious avenue to help Kib is something to make it unnecessary that he sleep, can that be achieved?"

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"Don't have anything off the shelf for it if you need it sustained, could probably hack something together, waiting on some experimental results that will tell us if he can do it my way or not... Uh, versions of you and your folks are four for five now from things that can be classified as 'Ardas' but there's one set elsewise. Bells - that's us - we're more widely varied. Why would it help if he doesn't sleep, I'm not seeing it, I mean, sleep is boring and I seldom bother but the connection is unclear."

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"A feature of Kib's reincarnation - thing - is that if his memories are erased or tampered with he gets them back in dreams. Rolling him back to before Angband fixes him. We asked the Valar for help and they did it, once, and he was normal, he was fine, he was making a list of specific memories he wanted back so he could have everything relevant without going catatonic, he wanted to hear all about how we'd defeated the Enemy, he was so happy - and then that night he dreamed Angband back, and when he woke up he was convinced this was a hallucination of the Enemy and that he was still trapped there.

 

So the best we're hoping for is to find a way he doesn't need to sleep, roll him back, and let him have a life again. At least while we try to come up with something that he would have known before Angband the Enemy could not imitate."

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Cam... runs through the corresponding logic. Draws some inferences.

"Okay," he says, "that explains the blip in the gap in his written output - and we can probably figure out a not-sleeping thing even if we have to put five of your dad in a room to do it, but it wouldn't be my go-to if I'm guessing right about the details."

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"He's doing it deliberately, thinks he'd be easier to manipulate if he were thinking at all and it's even worse if the Enemy can read minds. He can't be logicked out of it because he is not having any thoughts."

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"That was my guess. I will want to run this by the other Bells first but we might be able to sort of spook him out of it without mental tampering of any kind. He'll be cranky about it though, if you prefer a cheerful rolled back version this is not that."

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"I don't have preferences about his temperament. We considered some ways to scare him, they weren't things the Enemy couldn't imitate -"

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"The Enemy's ability to imitate things is not at issue with the - okay, so, we're all Bells, with information about the uniquenesses of his particular Belling situation we will be able to just sort of think like he does. And tell him all about it. And then it will be clear that whether he is thinking or not does not affect the Enemy's access to thoughts-like-his, I think a one of us could probably not self-destruct deep enough to fail to recognize our own patterns of thinking if they were presented to him, and then his options are 'Enemy, if applicable, can produce Kib-thoughts and I'm bored out of my skull and my husband, if applicable, is really upset' or 'Enemy, if applicable, can produce Kib-thoughts and I'm not bored out of my skull and my husband, if applicable, is not really upset'. Make sense?"

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"...do it. Please."

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"I will need more background information. Reincarnation's weird, servantmaking's a one-off world trait, don't know if his husband is an alt of anybody we know but he's not an alt of anyone interesting enough that I checked for, etcetera, and I do want to run it by the girls in case any of them have a better idea or a contraindication or something I haven't thought of. In the meanwhile will it help with the thing where I look like Kib if I take the coat off, I have wings and a tail."

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So, I was also captured by the Enemy and also don't believe you're real, the Enemy just can't learn nearly as much from me organizing people as he can from Kib servantmaking so I'm under oaths to make sure if this is real he can't use me against people and if it's not he can't learn anything more interesting than how to be lovely at dinner parties with people who you secretly believe are all hallucinations. The thing where you look like Kib might be a problem for Aydanci but the problem for me was that increasingly plausibility-straining coincidences that involve the arrival of new characters are one of the hallmarks of a hallucination reaching its grand finale. No preference on the wings and tail.

 

Even if Aydanci's not up to it - and he probably will be, if it might help - I can give you detailed profiles of him and everything else about the situation, but some of it's politically sensitive so I'd want more context than 'alternate universe version of Kib' - you said you have a me, if I can talk with him briefly about you that'd do it -

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Yeah, I kind of figured you had been, that happens, this is the first time it's been one of us but third for you. I can get a you. Available in 'remembers Angband', 'doesn't', and 'human and not from an Arda', if that might matter. None of them really know me in particular all that well except insofar as you guys are, like, scary at knowing people, but the first one and Loki are really close, and the last one and Iobel.

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That Cam's Maitimo and Cam are not close is mildly surprising even assuming Cam's straight. His face does not convey mild surprise.

Kib and I were really close.

Any of those would be fine, if they know you.

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I'll see if Mitros wants to come then, he's nearest by.

He pops two steps to Hex. Mitros in the middle of anything?

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"How's the new Arda?"

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"My alt went to Angband and doesn't cope with it nearly as functionally as yous do! I think we can snap him out of it with enough background information. Your alt wants to talk to a you. Oh, and they killed the Enemy all by themselves, place is pretty safe although they did temporarily brandish sharp objects at me for impersonating Kib."

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"Huh. Good for them. I'm not a convincing impersonation of my Elf alts, they're too pretty. Head on over?"

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"Yeah. Iobel, you wanna come?"

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"...yeah. I already dropped the snake guy off in his hometown, not picking him up for another few hours."

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"Is their Enemy solution portable?"

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"Unspecified. I did mention it'd be handy if it were. They might not know."

Pop through Little Valinor to where he was standing a minute ago. "These're Mitros and Iobel."

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"Hello."

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"Nice to meet you. Cam said that you just need to know all the specific situational factors in order to jog Kib back into having thoughts, and then we've reduced our problem to the familiar one that no one ever really believes they've escaped Angband." And to Mitros, Findekano and Kib and I were happily involved for several decades before I was captured, is this going to cause problems with either of yours from any angle -

 

No. Congratulations.

 

Thank you, he says, and almost smiles.

Okay. Why don't you all come inside and sit down and I'll give you everything you might need about the situation.

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In they come. Cam fills Iobel in on the premises of his conclusion; she derives the same.

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Okay. From the start, then. Kib got eaten by a giant snake. This caused him to land in Valinor about sixty-five local years ago. He was eighteen. On his world people do not have children; babies appear in hollows in the ground and so forth; he grew up in a crèche, which is how that world raises its children. In that world people have the power to create shines - he points at one - and shades out of patches of light and darkness, and to animate machines of various types. You have to program and build them, and anyone can do those, but only people of that world, as far as we know, can awaken them. They can also make animals into pets that obey their commands. We had a dinosaur cavalry and Findekano rescued me from Angband on a pterosaur but when Kib was captured we had to kill them. Kib was apprenticing in servantmaking.

 

Kib arrives in Valinor. He finds Elves bewildering, asks if there's anyone helpful around, is directed to me. I get him set up with a place to live in Tirion, learn about the babies, am appropriately appalled, ask what Elves can do. That's how we hatched the scheme you must have seen -

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Yeah, we found this world because a fellow snake victim turned up at their palace having heard of their otherworldly magical powers saying he was from this other world, could they let him go back for a visit, and I went to scope it out first and I saw a sign directing me to Little Valinor. And then the Elf there mistook me for Kib. - You're bouncing the osanwë, right? We could also just all talk in another language and osanwë you a translation.

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You're a couple years older, he was still eighteen or nineteen when my father cured mortality, but the resemblance is striking. Anyhow, after learning about the babies we learned that humans were mortal, and Kib helped my father with some preliminary experiments to try to figure out how to cure it, and then we set to work on production of things we could sell on Kib's world to fund the storks. And Kib developed a book-copying golem. And we played a lot of Governor, in the evenings, he's brilliant.

 

Kib had been for several years having recurring dreams that didn't fade on waking, about a girl named Aly who'd been born twenty-four years before him, lived in a different city, and was psychologically very similar to him. It was not until we realized that he actually spoke a language Aly'd spoken that we realized the dreams had to be meaningful.

There was a festival. At the festival Kib said very loudly that he was gay and Arda's very conservative and it was a disaster and I ended up snapping at him and then we miserably avoided each other for a week until my boyfriend decided to ask Kib out.

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...okay, that's a new one. This is your Findekáno? Assuming the Ardas all have the same naming scheme?

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Yep. At the time he was metaphorically the only sane man; now he literally is, and none of us could have gotten through this without him. Anyhow, I'd spent the last month longingly telling him things about Kib over games of Governor, and then moping at him, and he asked him to a concert and they adored each other.

 

I thought eighteen was too young, you know. By the local years it was even younger than that, there's only 310 days in a year on Kib's world. I was taking a stand on principle. But it was a stupid principle and did not last very long, not with Kib existing around me, not when he dreamed that Aly'd been the inventor of storks - I told him that made him objectively the best person in the world' - and anyhow the three of us were deliriously happy for a while and then Kib dreamed Aly'd been married.

Married to Aydanci, who is brilliant and worshipped the ground she walked on and who, after she died, eradicated the disease that killed her. Kib wanted him back. Kib went and found him. He was in bad shape, he'd done nothing but grieve her for eighteen years. They were delightedly reunited and Kib said, um, he hadn't remembered he was married, he was so sorry, and Aydanci said it'd be terrible for someone else to go through losing what he lost just for the crime of having excellent taste, and so. That's us.

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That's really cute. No sign of Aydanci alts...?

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He isn't anybody I checked for. I haven't checked the other way around yet.

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You'd already have heard about him if any of me had met him. He's lovely. Anyway, we were all blissfully happy in Valinor for a Year after that, expanding the stork funding program, waiting on my father to end death, trying to avert Arda's annoying prophecies - Kib told Findekano that he loved him, and he hadn't told me, and he explained he was waiting for romantic occasions which I was far too paranoid to engineer, and so I terraformed him an island and made him a stunning little boat and we went out and watched the sun set together - anyhow, eventually we noticed that someone had been smuggling babies into Valinor. We told the Valar. The war started shortly thereafter - it's really a shame I can't get you Kib's notes, he gave me permission to read them if it helped with my recovery and I think that'd reasonably extend to alternate universe versions of him and the cause of his own recovery -

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...and you can't get them because?

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Sank into the sea when Beleriand did. The Enemy had the continent set to crumble when he died.

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Fucking deadman's switches. Anyway. I've got them. I can conjure arbitrary material objects and specifications like "written works of my alt here" are a way I can do that, that's how I check for alts. I'm not going to read his notebooks very closely unless it turns out we seriously need them though.

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After I was captured and before he was he did a private half-page and a half-page for me, so I could have something to go off, piecing things back together. That'd be the first place to start if you needed to reference them at all.

 

Anyway. We went off to war. The warservants do most of the fighting, but it's hard to program them to be sufficiently flexible, we had Elves to command them. I got captured. I got rescued. It was - really hard on him, what a wreck I was - and then I assembled myself into more functional form and we had the weaponry to stop Thauron and while the army was out at war he got captured. Since then he's been unresponsive except for the time in Lorien.

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By "unresponsive" you mean...

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He doesn't have thoughts. He will snuggle us, he will say 'love you' and 'okay' and 'you can do whatever you want' if we try getting his consent for some new attempt to help him, he will refuse to be around anything intellectually engaging and disassociate if anyone tries to be intellectually engaging at him.

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Well, that sounds really unpleasant.

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It's not even the literal best strategy, it would just be something he could re-derive fast on negligible information...

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Out of curiosity, what do you think the best strategy is?

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Lacking non-negligible information, couldn't tell you - it was never a priority for me to come up with a plan for this - Loki'd probably have a better idea. I take it back, it might actually be best on the condition that you can pull it off and that you do have to be able to re-derive it like that. Which he did.

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And one is lucky enough that the Enemy can't lastingly remove or tamper with their memories. There are other considerations, but it certainly - serves, sort of. Can you fix it?

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As far as it goes, I think so. I'm not sure where to go from there but it should get him thinking.

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I'm tempted to suggest introducing Elspeth at that point but it seems as likely to hurt as help.

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Wouldn't risk it.

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I've been considering whether to get my memories tampered with until I stop believing this to be a hallucination, perhaps we can debate the merits of doing that together.

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Loki's one of you doesn't think it's a hallucination any more but I'm not sure how well the method replicates. You might respond better to Elspeth than one of us would, actually, I'm not sure, I'd want to ask him. Elspeth is our alt Bella's daughter and she has a magical power to tell the truth convincingly. She'll be swinging by to turn your Valar into remotely reasonable people soon anyway.

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If I believed this were real and the war were over and I weren't necessary I'd kill myself. Is the one you're referring to not done with his war?

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No, he is. Uh. No Elspeth then, I suppose.

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He raises an eyebrow. Kib wouldn't rather I keep thinking I was in Angband. No matter what I wanted once I was free.

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Well then when he's walking around having opinions again he can go invite Elspeth over for dinner, I don't own her, but I'm not going to fetch her for you if the likeliest result is suicide, okay?

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At least talk to Maedhros first.

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Do you need anything else to get to work on Kib.

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"Hello. Have we been explained."

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"Yep. Pleased to meet you. Kib hasn't shown any inclination to attack people but the golem will restrain him if he does - do golems recognize alts as such -"

 

"No," Maitimo says. And he sits down on the bed next to Kib. "Hey, Kib. I'm really sorry about this."

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...Kib opens his eyes.

Kib is confused.

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"...this is the part where he's trying really hard not to wonder what you're sorry about, because anticipating it won't make it less unpleasant especially in a condition where he can't brace for it effectively. He recognizes me and doesn't have a cached response to that, nor to what I'm wearing, which must look pretty outlandish; but my voice'll sound wrong because it's not coming from inside his head, which he may not have known if he doesn't come from a culture of sound recordings being common so it'll seem like an obvious mistake, maybe just obvious enough that he almost thinks about it to see if he can derive with negligible effort what it might be supposed to mean -"

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Kib is not happy.

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"He doesn't know how long we can keep this up, and going back under sucks so he's going to put off coming up as long as possible, but this hasn't happened before, he is having trouble reducing what we're saying to meaningless noise - probably the fact that it'll sound like his native language helps. Doesn't have a way to be sure that this isn't a dictionary attack, because the dreams're unpredictable... Do you have an idea how much dreaming there is left to do?"

"He's filling in the last - bits and pieces from Aly's life," murmurs Aydanci. "The Enemy couldn't take them and Lórien couldn't restore them. He may be done in a year or a few years."

"So not so much that we could reasonably be hoping to hide key deletions from him if we let him sleep; it'd be a gamble, and as long as he has the rest of this incarnation without any missing time he knows there's nothing else to hide them in, and if Aly dreams are indelible places to hide things while he has access to unbroken memories of this incarnation are running very thin."

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He watches Kib.

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"Wow, voluntary actions to affect his stimuli!" says Cam loudly. "That only took about two minutes! I assume he's been operating under the assumption that if the Enemy has him all options to affect what happens to him are manipulative, illusory, intended to derive information about him, or all of the above, whereas if the Enemy doesn't have him he can trust you to present him with food and protect him from miscellaneous hazards and avoid giving him sensitive information and all he has to do is not get in your way, he's been going metaphorically limp. And yet you are letting us talk even though he's visibly unhappy about us and wants us to go away and let him get back to implementing his minor strategic triumph! I told you he'd be cranky."

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"Honey -"

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"That'll be you, I take it," Iobel says when Aydanci flinches, "he thinks you're the soft touch in the room plus you have husband privileges and you might chase us away or give him a break where he can think really really slowly and have an easier time folding up into nothing again afterwards than if he has to go full speed. If he can go full speed. It's entirely possible his brain has atrophied and he will not feel nearly as smug about that if he calls it into service again instead of virtuously refusing to do so, especially if he ever concludes we're real, that would be so embarrassing if he were the slow kid in the crowd, especially since we aren't all that impressed with his tactical acumen. It is further embarrassing that this would ever occur to him, rationally it should be way down the priority list."

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Iobel: also should be stared at with awe befitting an alt of the objectively best person in the world. (The golem's Lári's. Even if Aydanci tries chasing them from the room it's not going to happen.)

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"What do you want."

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"...what do we have, how do we best use the latter to get the former..."

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"Up and at 'em. We don't care if you do any servantmaking and we throw the entire strategic scenario into such a tizzy that there's no way anything else you say can be reasonably deployed against you and yours in a vanilla Arda setting and your husband sounds like a lovely person who doesn't deserve this crap."

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"Let me sleep on it."

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"Don't make me laugh, you're already two-thirds of the way there. - Three-fifths. If you dream something incriminating you can self-destruct again, then, but your primary line of defense is not serving its purpose and you need to come up with something else anyway, preferably something that will be less hard on all these lovely people."

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"What do you want."

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"Peace, prosperity, alts with functioning brains. We're not going to set you on any relevant puzzles or even obliquely make you play Governor to poach your keen creative insights or anything like that but for fuck's sake get out of bed."

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"Metaphorically. Also literally, if you like, but we're not going to insist on the literally getting out of bed. Looks cozy. For, you know, a few hours at a time, I think you've probably been really overdoing it."

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"There's apparently a multiverse we can go explore, and I really can't think what the Enemy gains from that."

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"I notice nobody's doing this to you," Kib says to Maitimo.

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"I'm functional. They will presumably do this to me if they've got a way to convince me anything's real, but Cam says they haven't got that."

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"Also apparently if we manage it he kills himself, which seems a waste."

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Kib looks assessingly at Mitros, and is then interrupted by Aydanci hugging him, tight. He sighs and hugs back.

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"Only once everything I can usefully do is done," he says.

 

Mitros is watching his wife with an expression of patient adoration and Cam with slightly more desirous admiration.

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"We'll put you in touch with Maedhros," sighs Cam, "Loki will be annoyed with me if I carelessly drive one of you to suicide -"

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"So will I," says Iobel, "presumably so especially will Kib if it's his one in particular..."

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"Yes, yes."

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"No, yours is not safe hundreds of miles away from you doing fine in your absence, get with the program."

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"Doing fine in his absence? I had my human little sister in our factory twenty hours a day, waking warservants - do you know how hard it is to plan an assault on Angband entirely by choosing who to delegate its parts to and keeping morale up, being involved in the strategic planning would have been unwise -"

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"Oh, he knows it's delusional, he just isn't in a place where optimizing for not being delusional seems like a good investment of the cesspit that is his mood."

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"She's your sister? How'd you come by a human little sister?"

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"Kib and my father went on a scouting mission to the human world. My father saw a baby being dropped off and decided he wanted her. It was lucky, later, because we were desperately short on servantmakers. Also she's a lovely young woman."

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"And Kib thinks it was nice Aydanci had a friend his age who grew up the same rate."

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"Stop that!"

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"Make me."

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"I like you," Maitimo says to Cam. "If you're Thauron he's really outdoing himself."

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Cam snorts. "You can get Loki to show you a fun little cinematic illusion of her killing her Thauron with her bare hands! She got mine too but it wasn't as neat-looking."

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"If anyone's curious the way Kib makes us stop doing 'that' is by having non-Bell-generic thoughts, which is a bit harder."

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"Killing ours was very satisfying too, though no bare hands were involved because we had servantmaking. I can't imagine how satisfying it would have been if I'd believed it was real."

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"Loki's on the lookout for a way for Maedhros to kill a Sauron one day. Since he didn't get to even fully appreciate her doing it the first time. Though he did throw her a lovely party."

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"I feel so sorry for both Maedhros and you," he says complacently to Mitros. "You are missing out, not being in love with one."

FIndekáno giggles.

 

"...I did marry her," Mitros says. "And if there's ever a spell for it I'll take it in a heartbeat, why not? But yes, you seem to have had it all before you got tortured into insanity and so did Kib."

 

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"I think it's probably technically inaccurate to say he got tortured into insanity," Iobel says. "One of the dubious advantages of the not thinking strategy. I mean, I'm sure it didn't do him any good but I imagine he spent most of it insufficiently present to... appreciate it? And we're good at self-therapy, not that he'll have taken the time to do much of that. He'll probably have fewer hangups than you do if he ever concedes the point on this being reality, although he won't be as good at hiding whatever he's got."

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"Ugh."

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"Yeah, I'd noticed that. It took an earthquake to get a reaction from him like stepping too close would get from Maitimo."

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"Earthquakes? Why earthquakes?"

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"Fucking figure it out why don't you."

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"Oh, come on, you know we're going to take that as a challenge."

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"Oh, now he's testing us," says Iobel. "Charming. So if my theory's right and why shouldn't it be the earthquake would have had to happen while he was thinking and forming associations normally and, ideally, in a context he can't now recontextualize as being fake; unlikely to be some mundane natural disaster, that would be an irrational fear; but earthquakes are totally the kind of thing Ainur do, aren't they -"

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"I bet you're very pleased with yourself."

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"No you don't," Cam says, "you're saying that because if we're taking cues from you about how to act you want to throw us off, and it's easier to hide shit like that with sarcasm than to try more elaborate subterfuge."

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"When the army made it back to Mithrim there were fourteen thousand dead and fissures in the earth, nice and neat, as if he'd had weeks in advance to decide exactly where the crust would crack open. You'd think by then we'd have stopped underestimating him."

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"Saurons are good at escalatory nastiness. Or maybe it's the Melkors, I'm not actually clear on how much steering they do, Sauron seems to have all the personality. All the creepy, evil personality."

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He nods curtly.

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"Kib, anything to keep an eye out for besides earthquakes?"

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"Oh, fuck you."

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"Wow, you can really tell that he hasn't picked up a notebook in years, that wasn't even quippy."

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"Alright, I think you have bullied our Kib back into the world of reasoning beings, did you mention having a way to make the Valar reasonable?"

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"Elspeth does it, but apparently we're not introducing you yet, so she'll just pop in by Taniquetil and then leave, I guess. Kib probably doesn't require round the clock supervision but he is out of practice and when he's in a better mood he'll be able to sort of use us as prosthetics, so we'll probably want to be around a lot for a while - or Bella, or Loki. And we'll tell Maedhros where to find you."

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"Thank you."

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"You're welcome."

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Sigh.

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"Bye."

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"You need anything?"

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"...Me?"

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"Yup. You once tried asking me if I was okay, revised to 'worse than baseline in a way I can do anything about', sound familiar?"

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"My memory is not the problem here."

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"Do you want them to come back and do your thinking for you? I think I know you pretty well but I don't think I can quite pull it off myself. You're trying to think of another strategy, right? Got anything? I suppose if it takes this long to come up with it's already useless..."

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"Sorry, when did this go from being 'do you need anything' to 'how about I make fun of you', I feel like I missed that transition."

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"Your alts seemed to think this might help, and you haven't suggested anything else. I can do compliments if you like. It was a brilliant strategy, your alts couldn't think of a better one given the constraints."

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"It's a hell of a set of constraints. They told you mockery would help?"

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"No, they were making fun of you themselves. Not entirely fairly, either. It is one hell of a set of constraints, isn't it?"

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"If I understand correctly they think it helps if they do it.

Yeah."

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"Cam can create arbitrary objects. You can have your notebooks back if you want them."

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"What, and you let him leave without getting them?"

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"I was sort of expecting it to take a little longer.

 

That wasn't mockery," he adds hastily.

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"Taking it as a premise that this was real, what would you have wanted us to do?"

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Sigh. "I meant it when I said you could do what you wanted with me, I was a writeoff for my purposes, you could shuffle me around however suited you. Hopefully you weren't expecting me to be all chipper like in Lórien, because then you'd be tragically mistaken about how to evaluate what suited you."

(Aydanci is quietly crying on his shoulder. Kib pats him.)

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"It suits me to hallucinate that you're thinking. Which you are. So I definitely did what suits me."

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"We just wanted you back."

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Sigh. "I will probably forgive you all eventually. And... all of me... eventually. That's weird as fuck, what else did I miss about - that."

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"My human alt married your human alt and would meet most conventional definitions of 'in love with her' but is struggling to contextualize that because he's still as gay as I am. Also I'm pretty sure he and Cam have hooked up, which is interesting only because Cam's not close with his Maitimo and is I gather the only Bell so far not to be. Which makes me curious about the circumstances - maybe that Maitimo doesn't have a Findekáno to fix his inevitable moments of really screwing things up? The humans are a bit outclassed, Loki's the most powerful instance of you and I think the corresponding me, the one called Maedhros, the most powerful instance of us? Cam's indestructible and can make arbitrary matter so I'm intensely curious what the fuck makes Loki the most powerful instance. Cam and Loki are an item. Humans don't servantmake anywhere but your home world, we can definitely start galactic exporting if we want everyone on the lost world to be outrageously rich."

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"I think Iobel and Cam have hooked up too," remarks Kib. "If you don't think the Enemy reads minds because the format of incarnate thoughts is too weird for him how do you explain there being clues in your environment of appropriate richness for you to pick up on things like that when presumably you don't consistently list them?"

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"Really big corpus of interactions to copy and paste from? He must be really confused by the sort of things I sometimes identify as tells. I am also worried he can do things like 'have an interaction occur that leaves Maitimo with the following impressions'; that'd mean I can never ever be sure, and it's likelier than surface mindreading, it's consistent with how the brain actually stores sensory impressions and memories..."

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"...wait, can you identify specific tells or can't you?"

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"Can. I thought about trying to share at one point but you were doing entirely different strategies, all my tells require thought, so it wouldn't have helped."

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"If you can, then he can't be doing the thing where he's directly leaving you with an impression."

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"He can't be always doing that, there must be some required level of scaffolding."

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...sigh. "We expecting your other alt with the weird consonant cluster in his name to show up in time for dinner?"

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"...that conversation should be private, I can already imagine pretty much exactly how it's going to go and you guys shouldn't be present."

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"Hell, I just regained the capacity for curiosity fifteen minutes ago and you go and do that."

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"Remember when I said something about Angband and you said that if I didn't clarify your imagination was going to do the work and I said you weren't imaginative enough, was I right?"

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"Not by a wide margin."

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"My alt is going to say that I will never again experience a moment in which I prefer existing to not existing, but that there are a lot of worlds out there and a lot of people and what the fuck do I think it means, to be a King, if I choose not to do something about that? And what does it mean, every trust I've ever won, every person I have ever told I loved, if I hurt them merely because my existence is unendurable and always will be, has he run across a cowardly alt. He will tell me that there is no point in hoping and it hurts a little less once I stop. I don't get to die. That's what he's going to say to me."

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"Well, if you can predict him that well why is he going to visit at all."

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"I have no idea."

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"I think," Kib says wryly, "Aydanci wants me to himself for a bit and is too overwrought with all the everything to say so."

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And Aydanci - uncharitably, babbles, but it's all very Aydanci, and someday it will probably be useless to keep Kib alive anymore and some fifteen year old will roll over in bed back in the lost world and it won't do for the kid to pick up bad habits like mistreating one's spouse just because they had a bad dream, so Kib accepts apologies and issues apologies and lets himself enjoy the first actual kiss he's had in years.

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And Findekáno refuses to leave - points out they can have the conversation without him anyway - and is still there when Maedhros shows up.

"Hi," Maedhros says to both of them. "So, first, I was persuaded by being handed free will, but you'll only be able to verify that you have that if there's some future-binding positive oath you know you swore before you were taken prisoner, is there?"

"Nope."

"Okay. You can also get married, Enemy can't fake that, you could be stubborn and conclude he also has Findekáno but at that point the war's lost and I'd expect him to stop playing excruciatingly subtle games and just torture you both for all eternity, and also I still don't think he'd do it, it means he can't force you to father any children for him -"

 

 

"How long were you there?" Maitimo says.

"Fifty years."

 

 

 

"I don't know how your world works but I can't marry Findekáno -"

"Can too, it's expectation-controlled! It didn't make much sense that the universe regarded marriage as metaphysically for straight people. Uh, since we're going to give you free will afterwards what you ought to do is select a person who is exceptionally unlikely to be in Enemy hands, maybe someone who stayed in Valinor, marry them, then get free will, but I'm guessing that'd be difficult -"

"Could you do it?"

"Yes. I could. I'd be faking, and I'd feel weird about the other person's capacity to consent considering how much I'd be faking, but I could."

"I'm not positive the Enemy couldn't fake the person, if not the marriage."

"So then marry the obvious candidate, get free will, conclude you're not hallucinating. I might come up with something else that'll do it but I haven't yet."

"I'll grant you that this is at least the most setup Thauron's given one of his pickup lines."

Maedhros nods. "Then, once you believe this isn't a hallucination, you can learn to teleport and it helps, a ton, with the feeling that as long as it could possibly happen again there is no such thing as a life worth living. We also might be able to become the kind of thing Cam is, and that means as far as we know we can't be killed but we also are indestructible and nothing can ever seriously hurt us again. I have been weighing it.  And there's a way to die but it depends on Loki and it'll hurt her if you ask so please don't, as a personal favor? It's a big multiverse, you can find a different one."

"Can I."

"You already know why you won't, you don't need -"

Maitimo sighs. "When we've fixed the multiverse?"

"Yeah, of course. We -" he looks at Findekáno - "I love him, I love my family, I love my people, but I am not sticking around for them, not once we've fixed the multiverse. If we still want to die then we can."

 

"If?" Maitimo says. "You're not sure?"

"I - suspect I won't want to. Things are tolerable a lot more often. There was something recently that made them much worse, I'm still in a mood about it, but the trajectory is good. Doesn't mean it'll be the same for you, of course."

He nods.

"I wanted to compare people, see who all we've got alts of -"

"Of course."

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The next morning Kib asks the King whether it still actually serves a security purpose that he doesn't have root on the golems.

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"Nope. Aydanci's welcome to add you back, and I'll tell Lári to on the ones Aydanci doesn't have. Would you like an apology?"

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"I think I told you once that I only get annoyed about not being allowed to have things when I actually want the things. Wasn't an issue."

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"I didn't mean for the golem permissions."

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"Oh. What for?"

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"Hmmm, the most objectively awful thing was extent of willingness to tamper with you in Lorien until I had you back, but you were pretty upset yesterday, too."

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Shrug. "Aydanci beat you to it. It - seems like it fits wrong, apologizing for either."

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"When I don't regret them and would do them again? Or do you mean since in neither case did I think I was doing them to you, and in neither case do you think I was actually acting?"

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"I do not see a need to filter all my overt responses to everything through how pessimistic I'm currently feeling about how hallucinatory things may be any more than I feel a need to graffiti the margins of fiction I'm reading, so that doesn't enter into it. And I think you're adopting a consistent policy of acting in ways you'd endorse if this were real at least given your uncertainty... Not quite the first thing either, more - I would not have wanted the applicable motives to be weaker."

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"I love you."

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"I love you too."

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"My alt suggested a way I could know it was real."

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"Well. Thank you for not running out and seizing it and turning up dead without leaving a note."

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"I - we were of one mind on that. Got to fix the multiverse first."

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"It sounds very big."

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"Neither of us were exactly happy about this fact."

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"I don't actually get more suicidal than wishing I'd wake up fifteen again having reassured myself it was all a dream. I don't know how bad it'd get for me if that weren't a realistic possibility for me."

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"I am having a hard time modelling what knowing it's real would do for me. And the teleport, he says he has a teleport, so I don't ever need to fear it happening again. He's still in somewhat bad shape but he was there fifty years, he's probably got more to work through. Might turn out that if I knew that and had that I'd - basically be happy, most of the time. Dunno.

 

We could have killed you. Should we have?"

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"You mean before or after you no longer needed Aydanci on a vengeance-fueled workaholic binge?"

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"Sorry about that, too."

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"What do you think he did when it was the pox, that's just what he does, it's not your fault."

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"I sure used it, though. I was worried he might work himself to death."

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"If he had actually died you probably should've killed me."

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"Would have, yeah. I'm not sure he can function without you, and if he were going to be in the lost world - and we couldn't use you in the war anyway -

 

 

 

It's really good to have you back."

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"But not good enough that you want to live or anything, let's not get crazy here?"

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"I did hurt you, telling you how the conversation'd go. I knew it. I'm sorry. I shouldn't have done that."

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"Yes you should have."

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"On a moment-to-moment basis existing is very unpleasant for me. I can reconstruct what things not being like that were like, and rejoice to have you back, somewhere inside me, but it's all at a remove. Don't - don't expect you can be so miraculous to crack through the remove, I don't even know if it's possible."

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"Expect, no."

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"Do we want to get Cam's attention and ask about those notebooks? And then I can tell you my alt's plan to prove this is reality, and you can help me poke holes in it..."

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"Sure. Did you find out why Cam's lukewarm on his you?"

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"The conversation with Maedhros was kind of - very focused. I didn't think to ask. I would be inclined to say it's the same reason Aydanci and I aren't more than friendly - we met in wartime, we're both workaholics, there were more important priorities - but Maedhros met Loki during his war, and they're still very good friends." He pulls out a sheet of paper, writes 'hey Cam, Kib would like his notebooks and come to think of it the Noldor'd probably be overjoyed to have our library the Enemy burned down, stop by when you get a chance? You have my profound gratitude, Maitimo'.

 

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"This is a weird form of communication."

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"You didn't catch the idea? Arbitrary material objects. It's so exploitable. Maedhros is thinking about doing it, if it turns out that works, but he thinks we'd be an angel, which get a far inferior powerset."

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"Why, what do they get?"

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"They can change things into other things. Useful, admittedly, but you can't do anything like 'conjure up the complete written works of the Enemy' - Cam can apparently even resurrect some species..."

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"What species?"

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"Ones that run their minds on calculator chips in their heads! I got confused at that point and Maedhros said that they had a primer and everything and once we were in the right place for it emotionally we could catch up to how the galaxy does things, maybe go join them on their planet."

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"...calculator chips."

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He waves his hands helplessly. "Maedhros thought I would need a primer, there's plausibly a two-sentence explanation that'd make it click perfectly for you. Anyway, there are Elves who have calculator chips in their heads and Cam can resurrect them. He can also just make arbitrarily many copies of them, and rolled everyone in Angband back to before their stay, and apparently that worked and they didn't still think they were hallucinating even though given just that information, they obviously should have..."

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"Rolling me back only that far might have worked for me till I remembered the wrong thing."

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"You think you guessed it faster because Lorien put you back farther?"

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"No, I think I remembered the wrong thing."

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"My alt thinks I should convince myself this is real by getting married."

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"Would that... work? On any level?"

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"Marriage involves a soul bond thing that's done by Eru - or by whatever forces govern the universe, if we're Eru skeptics, apparently he's yet to make an appearance on any Arda...and I genuinely doubt that the Enemy could fake it. Could, obviously, force some other prisoner to marry me, overwrite them with whatever he knows of whoever I think I'm marrying.

 

As for whether I could do it, if I wanted to there are always mind-altering oaths."

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"Soul bond doesn't include any identity information?"

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"It should but I'm much more certain that he can't fake a soul bond than that he can't somehow fake the identity. Though mostly because I have no detailed idea of how it works and can't usefully ask people now."

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"I never did get around to asking anybody what being married is like for Elves."

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"My alt also has a way of giving Elves free will, so oaths dissolve, as do marriages. The Enemy can't fake that either, or he'd be able to swear falsely. So the idea is I marry, and if this does not satisfy me that I'm not hallucinating I get the marriage dissolved, which really ought to."

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"Seems like kind of an awkward question to put to some girl."

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"My alt further insists that the only reason marriage on Arda is between a man and a woman is because it's governed by expectations and that's how everyone thinks it should work. Doing something you expect to result in marriage is what creates a marriage. Which, obviously, don't go spreading around."

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"Well, then you could just marry Findekáno, but if you marry Findekáno are you even going to want it dissolved?"

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"Of course not. Unless that's the only way to be sure it's not a hallucination, and even then, I'd want it back, once the power to dissolve it has been established - Elves can see in each others' eyes when someone's married, it'd be very disruptive..."

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"I suppose you could claim that via extradimensional miracle of some sort one of you was a girl at the time."

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He laughs weakly. "And all of Tirion shall cry out in unison, but which one!"

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"It was dark and you lost track," suggests Kib.

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He laughs. He looks at Kib like Kib is the best person in the world.

And then he frowns again.

"I got myself together on that front after we lost you. Partially because it felt unfair to Findekáno to not have anyone left, partially because I wasn't scared anymore it was a hallucination, I wanted to know it was. And now here I am, scared again - because if I take this hook and it's all just the absurdly convoluted end to this convoluted scenario, and I let myself believe I could get married, and then he's Thauron..."

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"I don't suppose you can do something obvious like phrase whatever thing you say to - oathify the marriage - with a name instead of 'this here person'. Or - if it's expectation controlled - expect it not to work in cases of mistaken identity; if it's not expectation controlled it'll only work heterosexually anyway?"

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"Can't hurt, but my guess is that it's 'if you expect this to result in marriage it will', it'd be odd if you could derive new information about the state of the world from expecting carefully enough."

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"I'm not sure that principle holds if the expectation itself causes things, but it's tenuous, yeah."

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"Might try it anyway. In a month or so, so I can enjoy having you around and lucid first."

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"Anything in particular you want to do with my lucidity?"

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" - I am in fact still pretty bad at sex, there is a list of triggers and it's very long - I am not even sure if it counts as a bright side that you can top if you want -"

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"...that was not actually a come-on unless this is, in fact, what you want to do with my lucidity."

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"Governor's out for the obvious reasons. I didn't actually have anything in mind. Just - watching you react, watching you talk, watching you think - I do want to kiss you, if you'd like that."

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"I'd like that."

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It's half a lie on both ends, but it doesn't feel like one. He holds Kib in his arms and Kib is thinking and the Enemy's dead and neither party melts into a monster.

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And kisses are such wonderful things. I love you.

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I love you.

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Kib plops his head on Maitimo's shoulder.

"I kinda want to go back to the island. With the fluffy grass."

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"I'd like that too. We can ask Cam to take us, when he shows up with your notebooks and my library."

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"I wonder how the terraforming held up, it's been so long."

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"If it's all ruined I'll have to make you a new one! Or a continent! Or a whole planet!"

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...Kib giggles. "I love you."

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"I will build you a universe full of beautiful places. We will visit them in between saving worlds. Just - just stay awake for it."

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"I'm awake," murmurs Kib.

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Then they can kiss until interrupted by interdimensional visitors!

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Cam turns up and is directed their way and knocks ever so politely.

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"Come in!"

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In he comes. "Hey there. Where do you want the library? And do you prefer the notes in hard copy or do you want to begin an exciting journey into the world of advanced information technology?"

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"...Hard copy's fine for now."

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He tells him where to put the library. "Thank you! Also, I terraformed Kib an island back on the lost world, could we possibly visit it?"

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"Sure, osanwë me the look of the place and let me know when you want to be picked up."

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He sends Cam an image, and Kib How long are you going to want to visit?

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Few hours, maybe.

And here they are.

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It's overgrown in places, but not everywhere. It's still very pretty. "Couple of hours, please? Thank you."

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"I'll land over there," Cam says, pointing, presumably in case they'd otherwise be in flagrante delicto someplace he was going to appear. "Have fun." And off he goes to place the library and the notes.

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"I'm glad it's still here." He flops on the ground. "Oh, and still soft."

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Flop! "This is the best grass."

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"It's a challenge, designing things for the objective best person."

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"I'm sure at least one of my alts has me outclassed."

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"Same person, doesn't count, and if it does we'll still figure out how to do more than them.

Cam's pretty cute, though."

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Snort. "Thanks?"

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He rolls over in the fluffy grass to kiss him.  "Thank you for coming back."

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Kiss. "I assume they told you in excruciating detail why they expected it."

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"Yep. They also said you'd be cranky."

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"I'm sure versions of me who have not spent years being excruciatingly bored because the alternative was mindreading make some kind of cute principled distinction between reading and extrapolating," he mutters.

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"Seem pretty different to me."

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Sigh. "Yeah. Just didn't feel like it right then."

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"I'm sure it was terrifying.

 

Do you really think the Enemy could have pulled that off? He never had you thinking for more than a few days, you think he had a good enough model to convincingly be several alternate universe versions of you?"

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"I haven't actually fallen asleep since they showed up," Kib points out.

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"Should I leave you to it? Nice fluffy spot for napping and determining that you're free and safe?"

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"I'm not tired. I've been sleeping a lot."

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"I think it will take me a very long time to get tired of having you back."

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"You know," he says, "in retrospect that was a really impressive speech you pulled out in Lórien on such a time limit."

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"Had to try.

 

I mean, actually, it occurred to me briefly that perhaps I shouldn't try, in case you had been captured and I did have the ability to talk you out of your strategy and he could use whatever I said."

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"We find ourselves in this weirdly symmetrical situation. I know you're out because you got rescued before I got captured, but it's always possible he got you again somehow - you know I'm out because I was out when you got captured but it's always possible he actually got me after that, which he did, and that my rescue is just part of your hallucination -"

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"The question you asked me when I was first 'rescued', about whether I could be sure I was alone in a hallucination -"

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"And you couldn't. It... concerns me."

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"It was probably wrong to try to snap you out of it. I don't think it was wrong to let your alts try, they were - just demonstrating a capability they had anyway, if they're not real..."

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Sigh. Nuzzle. "Yeah. I guess it's better to know they can do it."

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"If the Enemy has access to your thoughts anyway you might as well not be miserably bored. You can turn it back on again next time the torture starts - how does that work, by the way, I'd be delighted to not form instinctive associations under the circumstances, not to mention being less entertaining, but I don't even know how I'd go about turning it off..."

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"It's - the input does not constitute information. It's just happening. It's noise, I don't have to participate in it, I can abdicate the idea that there's any steering to do... It, it hurts but it can't teach me anything. - It's not perfect. I'd still fall apart if you actually started hurting me, way out of proportion. But I'm not going to flinch if you move because I haven't absorbed anything horrible about what that's supposed to mean. Just noise."

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"Oh, Kib.

 

I wish I could promise I'm not going to hurt you but I - if he's really got you - I had an opening to kill other prisoners, a few times, I took it -"

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"If I wake up fifteen again and remember you doing that I'll forgive you," murmurs Kib.

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"Thanks. Well, aren't we a merry couple."

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"Ever so."

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"Can you - talk? About whatever you'd like, just - be okay at me, it's very soothing -"

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"It was nice when you sang to me. You and Findekáno. I was almost not bored, when somebody was singing."

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"Should've guessed that and made sure there was always someone singing."

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"Aydanci sang sometimes too. He's not an Elf but he was brought up thereby, he can do it all right. Round-the-clock wouldn't have improved things much, I might've gotten sick of it to the extent I could get sick of things that weren't actively unpleasant."

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"What could we have done -"

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"You did really well under the circumstances! I was simply not going to be having a lovely time with my brain not involved."

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"Well. Now you've got it back and can have a lovely time forever, if this is real."

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"That'd be nice."

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Kisses. Aydanci had kept cutting Kib's hair for him. He runs his hands through it and sighs.

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D'you want to take over cutting my hair again?

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If you'd like.

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It was cute. I guess I don't know if it'd still be cute.

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My interest in intimacy is at this point powered entirely by a desire for the Enemy not to have succeeded. Might take a little while to find something you actually want in that mess, and I will not have hurt feelings if you decide you want the sane boyfriends.

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You know, I think if I look really hard and apply myself to the problem I can probably locate a desire for the Enemy not to have succeeded.

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He laughs.

 

I love you.

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I love you too. So what are we making the Enemy not have succeeded at.

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Convincing me to be terrified every time anyone but particularly one of you touches me? Getting me to disassociate whenever I think someone might want me, making me hate being touched - it's a long list. He delivers it as lightly as he can. He does not let go of Kib.

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And Kib doesn't pull back, just listens and ponders and - Are you sure naive reexposure is how you want to handle this?

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I also did lots of internally poking at things and untraining them. Lorien offered to roll me back. I'm not sure what else there is - I bet somewhere in the multiverse there's mind-altering magic, I don't want that -

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The internally poking and untraining thing would be what I'd do if for some reason it were really important that I be calm during an earthquake or - something.

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Some bits were hard to justify as a priority but I got around to a lot of it. Had to, or I couldn't have eaten, couldn't have handled people walking into the room, couldn't have handled it whenever I saw my face in other peoples' heads....

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- not sure I understand the last one.

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The scars upset me a lot. I know it's not very reasonable.

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Ah.

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I got over it. And then Lorien fixed it.

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Nod. Occasionally when I'd forgotten the right things and was thinking anything I'd hope they'd miscalibrate on how fragile humans were or something...

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Hugs. I bet they did, a couple times, with their servantmakers. When I was new and very naïve I thought I could maybe provoke them into it...

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Sigh. No such luck. And anyway you'd have popped out of Mandos all - Mandosed - and I might be a girl next time but what would poor Findekáno do -

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Written the saddest songs in the galaxy, probably! If you came back as a girl and I was already Mandosed I could see him asking to get fixed too, actually. If you wanted us. He shudders.

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Well fortunately this hasn't come up. ...Sounds like I'm usually girls, sample of - five and a half. Odd that they all look alike and don't look like Aly. They don't look that different, but - different.

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Yes, that is odd. The whole concept is odd. Why would lots of dimensions mostly have the same species, definitely why would they have the same people...

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Sort of like reincarnations, just - nonsequential...

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Yeah.

 

 

The numbers they've given also don't add up - Cam said there were three others of him on tap, but it had also been said that there were three Ardas. Had the Enemy made that careless a mistake? Just in case, he does not mention it.

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Which is weird when you have to line up a family first, at least the reincarnations can just sort of happen without that.

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Still weird that the people who name babies in creches would name you something with 'bel' in it both times. Wonder what Aydanci's name would have been if we hadn't snatched him.

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If we knew what creche the stork stopped at before getting him to the portal they might've named him and might have a record.

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And Cam was going to search for alts of him in all the other universes, but I didn't think there'd be any, if any of me had met any of him I'd have done something useful with him...

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Well, if there's one floating around we can set him up with Iobel or something.

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She'd like that! That or a boy you who isn't taken, I think.

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Yeah. If I meet Loki maybe I can figure out why Cam's with her instead of Iobel.

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It's possible he just met Loki first, it's possible Iobel wanted someone more inclined to stick around and rule with her - an Aydanci might be more ideal for that than another Bell and as Cam said he's their scout....

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I think her co-ruling needs are probably sewn up, actually.

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Still might want someone who'd stick around.

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Yeah, that could be it.

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It's been sixty-fiveish years, we're probably not going to find anyone else who got snaked out of this world when you did. But maybe we could find the world the snakes are from.

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Maybe. The rest of them would probably mention if they'd turned it up. Unless we're on a low-information-diet because we're traumatized.

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We are on at least partially a low information diet but unless the snake world's abjectly horrible somehow I think they'd have mentioned it.

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Yeah. Maybe however they find stuff doesn't work with what they have to go on.

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We can get the whole briefing in a month. After I decide about getting married, after you've slept enough to be sure it was done on the first try...

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What's the best-case scenario, on getting married - you marry him, you're sure it's unmistakably him, you get free will, you un-get free will, you - maybe have to marry him over again? - you are then convinced this is reality but do not go kill yourself because there is stuff to do?

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Yeah. And I'm happier, because I know I'm not in Angband, and it probably means you were in Angband which is awful but me knowing for sure that it's true isn't really the awful part.

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Yeah. This version of reality seems fine from my perspective, I'd take it. You were already going to have been in and out...

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If I woke up in Angband I'd be glad you were safe but - it'd mean we didn't win after all - I can't say I'd exactly be relieved, not anymore -

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Yeah.

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Snuggles. This is a good ending. I'll take it. Not that I get to choose.

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Yeah. It's just - happening. Snuggle.

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Eventually Cam will come to pick them up.

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Yup. He deposits back whence they came. "Anything else while I'm here?"

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"My alt mentioned that something was planned to be done about free will?"

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"Loki can do that, but she'll want to batch you in with the local orcs if at all possible, and not here. There's these magic rocks she can wield to do stuff and the one that's purposeable for free will doesn't like her as much as the others she uses, and they only work within one step of her home world."

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"Local orcs are all dead, is that going to present a challenge?"

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"Nope. Although eventually she's going to have to find another orc planet, I guess."

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He glances at Kib. "Think those were all our questions that weren't just voyeuristic speculation. I really want to meet Loki."

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"I can tell her to drop by when she's in to pick up the orcs."

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"Thank you very much."

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"You're welcome!"

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He returns to staring adoringly at live! thinking! Kib! because that's clearly the best thing to be doing.

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"Aww," says Cam, and off he goes again.

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"So Aydanci had me to himself for a while and then you had a turn and now I guess it's Findekáno's turn to behold my regained conversational skills or whatever."

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"Probably! Findekáno, do you want a Kib, I've got one and could probably be very temporarily persuaded to let go, and if I find myself unpersuadable he's got root privileges back on all the golems and can wrest himself loose anyway."

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He comes in a minute later. "I would love to see Kib."

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"I'm visible. I was visible yesterday too, of course."

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He hugs him. "I'm sorry about yesterday."

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Hug. "It's - okay."

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"Okay is something. How're you doing?"

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"Having thoughts. It's more interesting than the alternative."

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"It has a lot to recommend it. How's the lost world?"

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"Island with the fluffy grass is still there and still fluffy. Didn't go wandering anywhere else."

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"Maitimo, shoo. If you draw up plans to terraform Kib things, Cam can do the terraforming! And apparently enjoys it!"

 

Maitimo shoos. Findekáno hugs Kib again. "Did he tell you we might be getting married?"

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Snuggle. "Yeah, he said in like a month maybe."

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"All the orcs need to be reembodied first, or something. Also I think his alt wanted to give us some time to think it over. Though they're happily married. Also I don't know what we'll tell people. Maybe the truth; at this point there's no Valar to appease for access to a world in need."

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"Apparently Loki does free will in batches and can't do it here because we're too far away from her world."

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"Your alts are fascinating. ...If you start getting jealous remind me to tell you the plans I've been working up to scale servantmaking."

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"Not so much jealous as - intimidated, I guess."

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"They all seem lovely. It's a shame Aydanci seems one-of-a-kind."

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"It is possible they will all be jealous of me over him."

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"Mitros was jealous of Maitimo over you."

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"Pity I'm mostly girls, I guess?"

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"Our poor, poor alts.

I think if it weren't something we'd been living in terror of for most of our lives, if it wasn't something that feels so - fundamental - at this point, any Maitimo who isn't already taken would get the Valar to tweak him straight for a girl you."

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"That would be... weird for her, I think."

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"Yeah. I don't know that it'd be wise of him. But we're stipulating a Maitimo who's not taken and without me he's not in fact very wise. He wouldn't tell her he'd done it, does that make it better or worse?"

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"Worse!"

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He shakes his head wearily. "It's astonishing how someone who's so good at people fails so spectacularly at them when he does. Though I'm being a bit unfair here, these are all hypotheticals."

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"I'm sure a hypothetical Maitimo could spin this brilliantly, but he'd have to tell her, before doing it!" Sigh. "Aydanci's sexual orientation is the one that makes objective sense, the rest of us are very silly."

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"Agreed!!! I am really pleased that marriage being straight turns out not to be a feature of the universe."

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"Has someone actually checked that? In some Arda? How does Maedhros even claim to know it?"

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"Apparently it was already known to a few people but kept quiet because it's something of an infohazard - there are men who sleep with men so they won't accidentally get married -"

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"Ah, makes sense."

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"We might be able to avoid explaining everything by just glaring people down, Maitimo's good at that. Everyone sort of believes the Feanorians are above the laws of physics anyway."

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"...well, with magic involved..."

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"It's entirely suitable! ...have you actually seen the Silmarils? With your brain turned on? Or had it explained to you how we killed him?"

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"Aydanci explained back in Lórien. I haven't seen them."

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You will probably be less excited than an Elf about how stunningly pretty they are, but should be suitably impressed that can be pulled off with shines. Our alts wanted to know if it's portable as a solution, which it sort of is, but it took two hundred thousand warservants so it'd be a pain. Or maybe not, if Cam can make them - though he probably couldn't wake them -

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Well, unless they all need to be woken in some very short time frame...

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Maybe we should have a couple million of them on an asteroid somewhere - asteroids! he sends the concept! - to be teleported to the scene of emergencies. Maybe they can have a few sets of detailed instructions, one for Enemies and one for people making terrible life decisions, so we can use them for both 'Melkor' and 'civil war someplace'.

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That'd be interesting.

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As far as I know our alts not only don't have servantmaking but also don't have anything strictly better. Even for the ones who can travel between stars, robots are hard and require a high tech base to maintain. There are lots of niches for us, beyond Enemy-killing.

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Cool.

That'll be fun for Lári and Aydanci.

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Oh, I was thinking bigger than that - if everyone in your world's willing to spend a few minutes at the start of their day poking golem noses - or metaphorical noses - they can be one of the richest civilizations in the galaxy. We should also have enough data now to know whether the baby drop rate scales with the existing population, and accordingly whether making them all immortal is going to require a plan to evacuate people off-planet.

 

I know you're not going to wake servants for us.

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Oh, yeah, the trade boost will be nice. It'll require some economic rejiggering since most people aren't servantmakers even there...

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It should help that they don't need to learn the programming, we can have things walk off the assembly line for them. We'll work with our counterparts in Vanda Nosseo to figure out what'll be most valuable, Edda's apparently the dimension that still has the most wrong with it just by virtue of being so big.

 

Once you stop getting Aly dreams -

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...then what?

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Think you'll conclude this is for real?

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It'd be an entirely reasonable strategy to just try to wait me out.

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And convincingly play five of you, well enough there are no mistakes, and you can verify he didn't try this before?

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I can't afford to be wrong. Do you really want me to sit here thinking up elaborate ways this could still be fake.

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I want you to someday believe it's real, but I acknowledge the idiocy of arguing the point with you. 

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Sigh. Thanks.

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And I long ago gave up on the principle of 'I won't kiss my boyfriends while they think I'm Sauron."

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I don't - don't exactly think -

- I'm juggling a weird superposition of opinions, here.

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Yep. And you're brilliant, and I trust you, and however you want to navigate that is up to you.

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Honestly I would not have objected if people had kissed me while I was shut down either but I don't blame any of you for finding that unappealing.

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It did occur to me that that was probably less boring than most activities similarly undemanding of thought, but. Yeah. No.

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Hadn't occurred to Aydanci, he made the most aggrieved face when I remarked on it...

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Maitimo had a good go at testing the upper bounds of my willingness to do things that may look like raping my tortured-into-insanity boyfriends but are actually - if you think about it very hard - merely extremely questionable. I guess if something convinces you to go catatonic again I will keep this conversation in mind.

 

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I'm pretty sure it wouldn't actually look like that in my case? It would just look like you were doing all the work.

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Perhaps you should have cultivated a romantic circle who loves you for your mind a little less, if you want them to want you without it.

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Nah, I endorse this tradeoff.

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Good! I think your romantic circle is perfect and requires no improvement!

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I love you.

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I love you. I missed you. I'm sorry we weren't there, I'm sorry we didn't have better escape plans, I'm sorry we didn't have better means of suicide -

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I could've had my Charp kill me. Just - hesitated too long -

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He hugs him. Oh, Kib.

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Hug. Sigh. And then I'd probably be some teenage girl in the lost world trying to figure out whether Quenya is a real language or not.

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We'd have petitioned the Valar to open the portals again, probably made ourselves a right nuisance about it, and then that teenage girl'd be swept up by a slightly hysterical Aydanci and the two of us would be. Um. In an awkward spot.

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Yeah. I told Maitimo that Aydanci is the only person with a rational sexual orientation.

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I bet if you ask the human me or the human Maitimo they'd happily be switched to having Aydanci's. The Elf ones, though - we spent so long knowing that was what would happen if we ever slipped up - and Maitimo's now got additional reasons to react really badly to mind-altering, even if it'd - even if we'd owe it to you-

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You wouldn't. I will if you like write a letter to Future Teenage Girl Me.

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Telling her not to fall in love with us in the dreams? That might be valuable. Just in case.

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And telling her not to make wounded faces at you and so on, yeah.

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We'd do it, you know, for you.

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If there's an Aydanci's Rational Sexual Orientation Granter around somewhere it hasn't been mentioned in my hearing, I think the Valar are currently the gold standard - and I wouldn't want to break you two up.

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I was imagining asking someone - perhaps this absurdly accomplished Loki - for a Rational Sexual Orientation Granter, not going to the Valar. I could handle getting my head tampered with for you but I'm not giving Maitimo up, not least because if I did he'd kill himself.

Not in a. Manipulative way. I just think that the knowledge he's important to peoples' happiness is one of the main reasons he isn't going to.

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I imagine Loki has some limitations or Cam would not be the only indestructible one.

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That's apparently waiting on testing. Maedhros has seriously considered it and gave ours a very short and oddly emphasized rundown of the benefits and drawbacks - the drawback, he thought, was the indestructibility.

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Sigh.

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Benefits sound lovely, though! That's how Cam can make arbitrary objects. There's a different powerset which is changing arbitrary objects into arbitrary other ones, and a third which is moving things around, and it'd be lovely to have a nice mixture, though the teleport rather obviates the moving things.

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Mmm, not completely, sometimes a thing needs to actually move and not just be elsewhere.

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Anyway, the way to become one is to die in the right dimension having performed the right rituals, and unknown are whether innate magic powers from your native world carry over when you do this, whether people from far enough away can do it at all even if they die in the right dimension, and whether if not you can still be retrieved by Mandos. So they haven't been proceeding at full speed with making everyone indestructible but it might be quite doable. Also, there's one world in which Cam can casually resurrect people.

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Because they run their minds on calculator chips in their heads, I hear.

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Yup. We can't get those, sadly. I am apparently in charge of a medical team that's working on changing that, but they're not optimistic in the short term. If we turn into indestructible Cam-like things then we can get those but have less incentive. You can also become a vampire if you want, which makes you super fast and super strong and super pretty - so, not sure it'd affect your appearance at all - but also makes you find human blood intensely compelling and need blood of one form or another for sustenance. And there are eidetic memory necklaces, which are highly in demand and they'll get us some as soon as they can. Those are the extent of the self-improvement options the universe has so far.

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Huh, wonder if the eidetic memory would cover Aly or just this incarnation.

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Good question. If it covers past lives we could just hand you one at an appropriate age, if you ever get killed.

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It'd kind of - overwhelm whatever Future Me was doing with themself at the time, probably, but I'd probably take it anyway.

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It's as good a time as any to let us know your updated raising-and-caretaking-of-a-baby-Kib preferences, if you have them.

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...Aydanci did fine raised by handpicked Elves but I might chafe. The other Bells presumably have parents? Maybe they will have insights here?

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I'll add it to the list of things to ask. Aydanci's definitely more trusting of authority than you - or, at least, he is until your wellbeing is concerned, he had less than no patience for the King once you'd been taken.

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I pick 'em well.

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Yes, yes, you do.

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I've wondered if I'm net good for him - I am when I'm okay, but I keep not being okay, and if he'd never met me - but on either theory of how reincarnation works he'd be dead for good by now -

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He'd choose you all over again, even knowing. I am very sure of that, and not sure what else it means to be good for someone.

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Neither theory of how reincarnation works makes any sense. The storks cannot have reasonably done it. Being yelled at while dying cannot have reasonably done it. And these are the only guesses floated.

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I don't think they've found a universe with a dead Bell in it yet, or a dead us. Maybe the cosmic forces that govern there being multiples of people want certain ones around, and if their attempt doesn't succeed will keep trying.

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Didn't you say you become the sort of thing Cam is by dying?

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Yeah, true, Cam is technically dead, but it's not very impairing. Space Maitimo died too, my alt just invented resurrection and got him back.

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It needed inventing? Congratulations by proxy.

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It needed willful denial about its impossibility and then some tricky shenanigans to ensure that various parties didn't find out it was possible. I must have worked at least somewhat with Cam, but -

- there's something weird about the whole situation. I can imagine how a Maitimo spectacularly messes things up with you, because he nearly did; it is less obvious to me how I end up on very-bad-but-patched-over terms with you, particularly not if I invented a method of resurrection which only you could do...

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I don't have a good guess, I can read the Bells but not quite like that.

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My alt's loss, he says complacently. I will refrain from kissing you in front of versions of me who will be terribly sad about what they missed out on, but that's about it. Not that I think we'd necessarily end up together, but I'd very dearly want you in my life.

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You will just have to kiss me in other contexts to make up for being so restrained.

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Kissing Kib: so much better now that Kib's back! So much better!

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Yay!

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At some point he reminds himself that Kib's still not sure this isn't a hallucination and restrains himself from more thorough confirmation that this is Kib, whole and thinking and himself.

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Well, Kib seems to be expecting to prove it.

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Are you sure you want -

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I'm in a dodgy epistemic position, that does not mean I do not have preferences over both what should happen next if this is real and what should be experienced next if it isn't. Also I continue to be physically eighteen and apart from last night have not gotten laid in years. If you don't want to -

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Of course I want you. He demonstrates this.

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Oh good. I love you.

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Love you too. Love you so much.

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Kib: is whole and thinking and himself.

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And very loved and very wanted and very desperately missed.

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I feel very welcomed back.

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Good, he says happily.

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Love you.

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Love you. Can't wait to go catch up on the multiverse with you.

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It'll be fun. Especially after my alts stop reading me aloud for whoever cares to eavesdrop.

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You could probably tell them to do it in private, at least, seems like a reasonable ask...or we can testify that your mind does not seem to have suffered from the dormancy...

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Not sure it hasn't. I'm - conversational not fluent?

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The situation's overwhelming enough in its own right. But if you'd rather have your alts around helping you identify what your brain'd normally be doing. they seemed happy to be around a lot...

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I don't like it. Might need it.

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He squeezes him. Too bad you don't have any alts with osanwe or they could at least do it privately.

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Yeah. Sigh. Snuggle.

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Snuggle.

 

 

And after a while, where do you want to go? If we're hanging out with alts somewhere? Choices are space Arda, the other Noldor from the other Arda like this one, or Iobel's planet...

 

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No reason not to see them all eventually, is there?

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No, but we're not the forkable kind of species so we've got to start somewhere first.

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Iobel's planet first, then.

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Okay. Skipping town after we get married is probably a good idea anyway.

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Indefinitely, or just until you crib your alts' notes on how to break it to your families?

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The latter. It's time for Valinor to grow up, and I know the King's always wanted to be able to have someone openly and he just killed an evil god and probably has the latitude for it. But we'll take suggestions on how to pull it off, to be sure.

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And then in another fifty years or so we can stop having to sneak around with the extramarital relations?

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Or maybe drop the whole thing on everyone's heads at once, that'd be fun.

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I'm actually sort of worried what Aydanci's parents would think, he has those now, it's complicating.

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Oh, right. We won't do anything involving you two without talking it over with you both, don't worry.

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I know.

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Is Aydanci going to want to come with us galaxy-hopping, or are you planning to get a teleport and spend your evenings at home?

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He might come look at things now and then but I think I will spend evenings at home.

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Okay. Snuggle. You can write that book, find any other reincarnators in the lost world. The found world. We should name it.

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Stork.

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I like it. And we've got to name this Arda, too. 

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Shine.

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On a roll? We're also all supposed to come up with nicknames, our actual names being taken four times over.

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That's harder. I could make up something for myself if I had to but I don't...

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Maitimo has an abundance of nicknames but they're all the same ones as his alts. And the Bells have all had different names to start with, it's only us who seem to show up in exact form.

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Which is weird.

...I have ideas but if you turn out not to like them I will feel very silly.

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Feeling very silly is good for the soul, perhaps I will pretend to dislike them.

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Then perhaps I shall not tell you what they are.

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Snuggle. Facing down that kind of threat, what can I do but concede and promise to embrace my new nickname?

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You don't have to use it if you don't like it, I don't actually know how positive the involved associations are for you, but. Pterodactyl.

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I suppose that's something the others wouldn't have in common with me, isn't it. 

 

I guess the alt who saved Maitimo by inventing resurrection is the one that wins, but I have positive associations. He's safe, even if he doesn't believe it.

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Yeah.

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It occurred to me at some point that technically none of us who don't dream back memories should really be sure we're not in Enemy hands. Then I decided to not take that into account at all. Don't know if that was the right call.

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Probably is. If everybody had to avoid doing anything that he'd find strategically useful he'd, you know, find that strategically useful.

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Could make minor strategic decisions with a randomizer or something. I just think I'd go crazy, and probably be less effective.

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Yep.

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Also at some point -

 

Sorry, I should pick a different topic. Marlatia! Don't try to pet the animals, they're sentient.

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...what, all of them, that sounds like a nightmare.

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No, no, each person can get one sentient animal as a familiar if they want, lets them do magic, and they'd better take good care of them because if the familiar dies the person goes catatonic. Not even the nice neat way you did it where you'd still feed yourself. Not yet tested: what happens to computer-chip Elves if their familiar is destroyed, Cam might not be able to retrieve them at all.

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...well, there's a tradeoff. I assume Iobel has one, what about your alt and Maitimo's?

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Yes and yes;  my alt runs his security, and this requires magic, and that world's Fëanáro made all his children do it because each familiar speaks a unique language and he finds it objectionable that these languages die. Iobel finds it objectionable that the familiars sort of fall unconscious if one doesn't decide to become a spellbinder - that's what it's called - and has a persistent interest in figuring out other ways for familiars to get to exist. 

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They exist before being familiarized? ...Unconscious?

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They're sort of like imaginary friends? Who you can make non-imaginary? And if you don't, then eventually they just curl up and go to sleep? I don't know, I was getting the very quick version. 

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Well, that does sound concerning.

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Yeah. No obvious avenue for us to help so I just wished her good skill.

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Nod. ...Well, if there's a way for them to possess a real nonsapient animal...

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Huh. Wonder how the man who got stuck there employed himself, wonder if he could servantmake.

 

It's a good thing that wasn't you, you'd have been sixty by the time Mitros was even born, and while we'd probably read admiringly about your accomplishments it'd be a bit of a disappointment.

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Yeah. Aging: so inconvenient.

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Vanda Nosseo was pleased about the anti-aging rings. It's still not a very scalable solution but apparently one of the yous has a daughter who can make enchanted items absurdly fast and who might occasionally be happy to do a few batches.

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How many of me have daughters, or is this the same one who can reasonable-ize Valar?

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That's the only one so far, I think! Iobel and Mitros are possibly developing a spell to have children or possibly waiting until they know how to get a copy of the Valar-reasonablizing one - her mother is married to someone with no alts, so we don't know if all marriages of that kind result in children who are alts.... I bet Cam can't have kids so there aren't any other prospective Bell offspring on the horizon.

Maedhros said he and his husband might have children 'in five hundred years' which is about how I feel about it.

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I am even yet vaguely weirded out by the concept of having children. I guess Aydanci might want them? Since this time he was brought up with the concept? But - not soon - at all -

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...would that even be possible? Like, obviously not the conventional way, but the Enemy tried, it might just be that humans from Stork Cannot Have Children, That's Not A Thing Humans Do.

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Oh, yes, he tried, I don't think he got anywhere, but we could just go grab one from Stork, or there could be alt-related shenanigans or magic or something.

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Raising a child from Stork doesn't appeal to me, what'd appeal - in a very very long time, when everything is long since okay - would be the child having Maitimo's personality - optimistically, even with the common sense that heredity refused the house of Fëanor -

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It's not something I imagine I will feel incomplete without. But Aydanci likes having parents and might want to have children. And in a very long time when everything is long since okay, if he does, I will at least owe him seriously thinking about it...

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Five hundred years is a nice long time. Not worth dwelling on too much.

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Yeah.

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There's a festival for Kib's restoration to health. The King orchestrates it very neatly.

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...health, sure, they can go with that. Yaaaaaay Kib's health.

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"Participation in the world that presents itself to him?"

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"It'd be more accurate but not very festive."

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"My thinking exactly. Are you getting tired of being passed around between boyfriends or can I smuggle you away from your own festival in a bit?"

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"You can smuggle me. Whenever you all get tired of passing me around it will suddenly become a lot harder to ignore the fact that I don't really have anything to do."

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"I was thinking we should demand the not-censored-in-order-to-be-comprehensible-to-our-primitive-sensibilities version of the new tech level, catch ourselves up with the galaxy - apparently that's the turn of phrase, even though it's really a multiverse, because Edda's out in front by Ages - find you an occupation that would be totally useless if electricity's nonsense, something like that."

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"Sounds good."

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He writes Cam a note. "Maybe we can also corner them on all the not-technical things they elided at the same time, I want to know how the war went in their worlds but that's obviously a touchy subject -"

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"Is it?"

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"Seemed one? Apparently I get captured practically routinely."

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"Slightly different question from how the wars were won, that..."

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"Well, you can ask if you want, when he shows up. He should probably stick around anyway, help with the getting-used-to-your-brain thing  - which means I should smuggle you off right now..."

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"Otherwise you might have to wait until he had something else to do?"

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"None of your alts have three people orbiting you like they've discovered the objectively best person in the world and plan to gift him galaxies. They might get jealous."

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"I don't think any of them are on the whole going to be jealous of me."

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He squeezes him. "Maedhros was pretty jealous of me, and this at the same time as explaining to me how I'd determine this isn't a hallucination and why I shouldn't then kill myself, so it's not as if he were merely misinformed."

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"My alts may be piecemeal jealous of me," allows Kib. "...Cam doesn't get the appeal but Iobel does."

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"Yeah, I noticed. I am kind of curious about how Cam ended up - not how he ended up with a Bell, that makes perfect sense, but how he ended up not getting the appeal - I would almost be tempted to assume a hilarious misunderstanding but it could not plausibly have endured this long."

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"I could ask him but it'd be awkward if you witnessed it."

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"Oh, if he would rather have altly conversations without me around I will leave once we've extracted our briefing. Unless you want to be cuddled while you learn computers, and even then we could probably talk Aydanci into taking the job."

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"I wouldn't not like to be cuddled while I learn computers. But yes, Aydanci thinks they sound fascinating."

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"Think programming's involved. Somehow. Without any magic, even." He extracts them from the festival. "I want to learn, but not as urgently as I want to learn the political structures, what everyone's doing..."

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Extraction, yay. "Of course you do."

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"My alt said when he got me an eidetic memory necklace he'd also get me a book of a couple million names. Findekáno said 'surely at some point you stop wanting to -' and both of us said 'nope!'"

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"That's really a ridiculous number of names!"

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"Names and pictures and descriptions! Once you have an eidetic memory, why not?"

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"You could still invest the time spent learning all the names on learning anything else."

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"Or I could find someone in the book of names who'll be better at doing that than me." The palace has a rooftop garden with the fluffy grass. He steers Kib towards it.

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"...when did you plant this?"

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"In a fit of optimism that you'd someday get better, couple months ago. Then I changed my mind and almost ordered it torn out and then I decided I was being silly. Also figured I could take you here even if you weren't better, it'd just - be a little heartbreaking."

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Kib pets the grass. "I thought I was doing a reasonably good job of seeming normal within the scope of things I was doing at all..."

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"Well, a notable feature of all my fondest romantic memories of you is that both of us were utterly unable to stop talking logistics of ruling the world and eventually at least switched to osanwe so we could kiss while doing so. Either that or we'd just spent a couple hours simmering at each other over Governor. You were being a very normal you absent everything I fell in love with."

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"Simmering over Governor was fun."

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"Can I look forward to it again or do you think the Enemy'd steal your ideas?"

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"Maybe with pervasively bizarre starting conditions."

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"Can do. Set on a planet without a breathable atmosphere, made up of sealed archologies set up by an advanced civilization that's since abandoned them, with leadership chosen by popular vote... and people appear fully grown, rather than at birth or as babies...and everyone has the vampire mate bond thing, and Hex's magic system. How's that."

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It gets a laugh, that's how it is. "I love you."

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"Love you. Missed you." Tumble into fluffy grass. "Not pervasively bizarre enough because I can do more pervasively bizarre."

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"...it's probably pervasively bizarre enough. Although I don't know how Hex's magic system works with appearing as adults."

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"Hmm, maybe you have a window to choose, maybe everyone's got them, maybe they appear in early adolescence or something...."

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"Early adolescence meaning here...?"

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"Let's say the population's mortal but with a lifespan of two hundred, and consider the first decade to be adolescence."

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"All right, sounds good. Are you going to be upset if I wind up simmering at you and if so what should I do about that."

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"Won't get upset. I might freeze up a bit but I have a preference you ignore that."

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"Okay. Did I ever tell you how funny Adyanci thinks the way we used to look at each other over games was?"

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"You did not. How did I used to  look at you over games?

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"Like -" That.

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"Can't promise I will be doing very much of that. I'll try."

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"You don't have to, it'll be fun without too."

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"I suppose you have more than enough boyfriends to sleep with but I will be annoyed if I cannot get it together."

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"I mean, yes, desire for the Enemy not to have succeeded, but there's no rush."

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"It's not particularly a thing I'm expecting to get easier, I've had decades to do all the relevant unpacking and picking-at, it's more - not having built anything in the place of all that picking-apart."

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"Okay. Just - let me know what you need."

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"A plan to stop me from getting your arcology sold for scrap and its population turned out planetside, obviously."

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"Oh, you want to start that right now?"

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"Well, there are also forms of flirting that don't require pens and paper, I hear, and we could try employing those, but I will feel very sad if I can't get you smoldering at me at least a little bit before Cam shows up - think Governor is a thing that'd be hard, while you're getting the hang of having a brain back, and if so, would it help or hurt to have an alt around..."

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"Might depend on if he's ever played the game before."

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"Fair enough." He is still regarding Kib delightedly. 

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"I will probably not play well by my old standards even with an alt as a prosthetic, I - it's sort of like you came out capable of all the important practical skills central to you and I came out capable of having a personal life without twitching but that's about it -"

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"I didn't know anyone's names. Still had the faces, but I'd lost all the names. Covered for it pretty aggressively, could pretend I was too fevered to recognize people..."

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"He couldn't keep it away for long but I spent a while illiterate."

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Hugs. "I think he left my ability to lie and to read people intact because he was still somehow hoping to use me. Or he couldn't figure out how - I remember once when I was dumbfounded at the sound of speech and thought food was the cleverest idea ever but the person trying to coach me through an oath was mean and saying wrong things -"

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Snuggle. Burrowy sighing snuggle. "I love you."

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"I love you. We don't have to play, if it'll make you frustrated, or I can play handicapped -"

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"You beat me half the time anyway, if I'm going to be frustrated it'll take more than one game."

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"I resent that remark, I beat you fifty-three percent of the time!!"

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...Kib laughs. "Pardon me."

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And then they can cuddle in the grass until someone tells him Cam's arrived.

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Cam arrives! He has brought Loki.

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"I've been looking forward to meeting you!" he says cheerfully to Loki. He has not let go of Kib, why would he do that. "We would like to request a proper catch-up on galactic technology and politics and then I'd be delighted if one or both of you could stick around while Kib gets acclimated to the world of the thinking."

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"A proper catch-up on galactic technology and politics, huh, that'll be trivial to deliver in an hour, where do you want to start?"

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"What's everybody doing, perhaps with an emphasis on things servantmaking's plausibly useful for - Maedhros thought we could sell golems and various automata and there might be a niche pet-dinosaur market - things for Kib to do that the Enemy couldn't benefit from - what is a computer -"

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"There's all kinds of exotic animals that would make very popular pets if they would, say, refrain from eating their owners, dinosaurs being just one option. Automata could generate electricity cleanly for free, that'll be big. There's probably ways to set up elaborate shine-based this-and-that for low-infrastructure-situation communication but I'm not the servantmaking expert. Golems are so generically useful that I'm actually not sure where best to apply them, I'll keep an eye out for things they could do that are not being satisfactorily done elsewise. Kib, you're the lowest-tech-background Bell apart from Iobel, who has a full-time nation-running job, so you'll make a reasonable interface person for low-tech non-Ardas we meet and want a Bell on scene for, Edda's lousy with those. Computers are basically logic gates," she illusions up a set of mechanical ones, demonstrates, "in non-mechanical form but this suffices to illustrate the idea, tons and tons of them all lined up so they can do math and so on for several layers of abstraction until you can program them to do information-handling in loosely the way you program the programmable servants and display it in any of various ways but typically visually; combine with other tech for golem-like things and long-distance transmission of complexly recorded information and stuff like that. Do you have a nickname yet and if you tell me it's a number I will roll my eyes at you."

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"...might have been my first instinct, it'd be a friendly jab at my father, but I suppose everyone else would have had the same instinct and the same father. So no. Not a fan of my given name, but that's probably also universal."

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"Not universal, but not unique either. Maedhros named all the Space forks when I complained, the yous were doing numbers and the Findekános were doing letters, I don't understand how a species can be so fixated on aesthetics and go with a naming scheme like that, it's tacky."

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"Island," murmurs Kib.

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"...yeah, I like that."

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"Awwww."

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"I nicknamed my Findekáno too - letters of the alphabet, honestly - he's Pterodactyl."

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"Which is how he rescued me from Angband."

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"That's adorable. Excellent, thus you are named. Anybody name the worlds yet? Kib?"

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"This is Shine and I'm from Stork."

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"Ah, the self-aggrandizement method of homeworld naming. Bella and I did that too."

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"'smug' looks very good on him. And the storks were objectively the best thing in the world."

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"The conditions necessitating them are weird, though. Babies! Appear! Out of nowhere! What the fuck!"

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"I recognize that Stork is a minority but I'm still not used to 'Babies! Grow! Inside of people! As a result of sex!' being anybody's normal."

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"I had a bit of a meltdown when he first told me - my first reaction was that Valinor'd adopt them all, and then we realized the population disparity'd make that impossible - when the Darkening happened Findekáno at least briefly considered whether getting immortality and no more babies dying of exposure in Stork was more important than fighting the Enemy, the math came out pretty close..."

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"There are Little Valinors in Stork with some immigrant Elves trying nobly to continue the project."

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"Yep. Delegated it to people unable or unwilling to come fight the war - might have sent more people with them, honestly, if we'd realized we were risking much more than mere death - and we only actually needed around twenty thousand people, one per battalion, once we had the assembly lines up and running..."

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"The assembly line. A noble invention. I can make you batches of stuff sufficiently specified if you need any but I imagine that's not your current bottleneck."

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"What else do you want to be caught up on?"

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"I'm guessing Cam can't do an awakened golem? Anyway, I told Pterodactyl to surprise me but I expect what he's doing is setting up the infrastructure in Stork for anyone who'd like to learn servantmaking to wake a couple golems daily in exchange for fabulous wealth. Can get a couple hundred million a day that way, sell those in Edda through Vanda Nosseo, who seem to know what to do with the sales angle and with their cut of the money. It is possible Pterodactyl will actually surprise me and it'll be something even cleverer than that. And I would like to be caught up on each Arda, how its war went, who's running it now..."

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"Can't do magic stuff," Cam says, "at least not without some hitherto undiscovered workaround."

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"How in-depth do you want on the Ardas, like, do you want three sentences on mine or twelve paragraphs and a ballad?"

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"You all are the ones presumed to have other, pressing, priorities. There's a ballad?"

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"There's several. The story's very popular. The Asgardian renderings skip the part where I discovered I'm actually not an Asgardian but a kidnapped and secretly adopted and enspelled member of a species Asgard has been ancestrally at war with, though. Anyway. So I was trying to travel to another planet anyway but went astray and landed on the Helcaraxë while the Nolofinwëan half of the host, having been both physically and politically divided from the other contingent, was crossing it; I helped them out, flew around carrying messages and running errands, and got started on a spell - my spells take decades to compose - that would get me out of the world and back to Edda where I could seek more resources. I rescued my you from Angband and started an orc cult and killed two Balrogs and dueled Thauron twice and killed him the second time and adopted the newly awakened species of Men because Eru doesn't take good care of his toys and Fëanor invented me a thing for retroactive eidetic memory so I could call up all my science reading and on this basis my Noldor put together a very very large bomb. It didn't help with the crux of the problem although it did put some orcs out of their misery, and then Doriath wound up with a Silmaril - in my world before I even showed up Fëanor and sons had sworn a stupid oath to be undeterrable in retrieving the fucking things so that was an enormous pain in the neck to avoid starting a war over, my you wound up parking in Doriath wearing the thing to appease the oath and work on getting it peacefully sent somewhere it could be more of a force multiplier - Morgoth got pissed off and everything started collapsing, I evacuated everyone to Valinor except the Noldor who were on lousy terms with the Valar and they instead used the Silmarils to time-stop themselves so they were okay while I parked in Valinor with that infuriating time-smoothing effect and finished my spell, and then I went home, picked up an artifact in possession of my adoptive family that allows arbitrary control of the locations of things, and smeared the Enemy across the cosmos until no two particles of him shared a cubic parsec."

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"Nicely done. And Maedhros, uh, believed this?"

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"We hung out a lot over the course of this long story and he did at first think I was an evil Maia - he could tell I wasn't Thauron in particular pretty early - and then he thought that I might be a nice Maia stuck in a nasty oath, and then based on things like the books I could pull out of my eidetic memory he thought I was probably actually Loki of Asgard and only affiliating with the Enemy on terms like 'I will stop torturing all the orcs all the time and you direct the relatively pleasant hallucinations of people who'd otherwise be horrifically tortured', and then I turned up with the ability to grant free will and he didn't think any such deal would survive my getting my hands on power like that. So. Eventually."

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He glances at Kib and looks faintly miserable. "Congratulations. And the other ones?"

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"I don't really like talking about mine," Cam mutters, "I'll let Loki do it." He spreads his wings and flies up out of earshot.

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"Space Arda is more spread out - planets where you have continents - and higher-tech. Cam showed up and provided extra faster-than-light ships to get the Noldor host from one of Valinor's moons to Endorë, where he found a... surprisingly low-tech war. The tech disparity might or might not sound particularly irregular to you when you don't have any of the applicable anything but the Enemy was doing the equivalent of throwing rocks at people and then doing elaborate cutting-edge research to be dreadful to whoever he collected after he'd hit them with enough rocks. The Space ones fork; the Enemy could fork them too, could pull what I think are even more extreme tricks with time acceleration than the Flat Arda versions... Cam didn't want to escalate in case that provoked worse, and it could have gotten much worse - so he mostly provided supplies like food and gave everybody he could the ability to melt their chips for unrecoverable-except-by-Mandos suicide and so on. Enemy tried to make him a deal. Wanted him to destroy Valinor.

He held out until he'd be able to bring back every single Elf there when Space Findekáno invented a way to route around the demonic ability to make minds. And he held out for a really, really solid oath - it worked. But resurrection only worked via the chips. The Maiar and the Valar stayed dead until I showed up."

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He squeezes Kib's hand.

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"Oh."

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"But I showed up and did a repeat on the smearing-Morgoth-across-the-cosmos thing and was about to do the same to Thauron but he had a biowarfare deadman switch; had to hop my Aulë around to clean that up before I could kill him too. And then my Aulë made some promises on behalf of the Space Valar to be less unpleasantly Valarous and then I put them all back. Cam is still not very popular on Space Valinor. Better liked on Space Endorë, though. - Oh, Kib, you ever meet a Thuringwethil? Me and Cam both got hit on by ours."

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"Wouldn't describe the encounter that way."

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"...well, we didn't take her up on it."

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He squeezes Kib's hand again.

 

They'd mentioned three Ardas. Maybe a continuity error. If he mentions it he'll probably be made to forget it.

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"And then there's the other Arda but it's all fucked up and upsets Maedhros, so I don't know if you want to insist on being caught up on it right now."

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(Cam swoops down.)

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"More upsetting than typical of these wars?"

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"The war part is actually less upsetting than average. Everything else is fucked up. But Elspeth landed there due to a magical accident back in Aurum and went around aggressively truth-telling, she did the teach-them-to-nuke thing too, it didn't help, she aggressively told the truth some more - it's amazing how far she stretches that - she wrangled a ceasefire and then went to Valinor and explained incarnates to Valar and got sent home. We found the place on a worldhop from Edda, but when Loki checked for deadman's switches the Enemy just ran away instead of monologuing about how great his deadman's switches were, we don't know where he went."

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"So he's still loose and that's not the part that's fucked up?"

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"It's fucked up, but it is not 'the part that is fucked up', no."

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"...do you actually have a point in mind at which we are allowed to know what's so fucked up?"

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"Not a specific one, but consider it painted with brightly colored warning signs."

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"Unlike Angband, which was all fluffy grass and chocolate and roses."

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"I am not telling you it upsets Maedhros because I like the sound of my own voice."

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He glances at Kib. "We used to play Evil Governor, bet we can guess. ...you somehow can't give them free will and the Enemy had a better way of coercing properly controlling oaths? ...Valar caught on and Findekáno and I are both straightened out and married to nice girls?... Enemy managed to present the facts about his capabilities such that the entire population believes themselves to be in a hallucination..."

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...Kib, frowning thoughtfully at Loki and Cam, says... nothing.

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"None of the above. Unless Kib's got it."

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"If he doesn't think I should know I'll stop guessing."

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"I'm not sure. If I've got it, if I should say if I have..."

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"I promise not to throw a tantrum."

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"Oh, well, that solves everything, then, that's clearly what we were worried about all along."

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"Kib, if you figured it out just by knowing your alts that well, explain your logic, that's going to be far more reassuring than the news can be awful..."

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"They said the war part was less fucked up than average. It's probably not going to be anything to do with the Enemy. I think they're - confused about it, it's hard to approach for some reason, not amenable to brute force, I think they'd have told us straight out if it were something about Loki's magic rocks not working right there - we know they don't work here. Angband not being fluffy grass and chocolate and roses it is not that something happened to your alt. There's something wrong with the people in this Arda. ...All of them?"

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"Not the Findekáno."

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"If evil doubles were a thing he wouldn't have one, no. ....he wouldn't be the only one without..."

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"We're not sure if he's the only one or not, Maedhros is working up to checking on some other people he thinks may not come in 'evil'."

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"Please tell me there's not one of you."

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"No, so far no Bells native to Ardas."

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"Well. That's good. Is there a point of divergence or is everyone just evil, are non-locals born there evil, are they still evil if taken off-planet..."

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"Haven't identified a point of divergence - the Valar are worse too but it doesn't seem likely to be just that - they seem to remain evil if moved but we're mostly quarantining the place except for the Fëanor, who has the Space Fëanors keeping an eye on him because actually quarantining him would be difficult, and the Findekáno, who is not affected directly by the evilness of the place."

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"And wanted to abandon it?"

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"Confusing and not amenable to brute force," Kib says softly when the other Bells don't answer immediately. "Tell me I'm wrong."

....they don't.

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He doesn't actually require more information at that point.

 

 

Look at him, not throwing a tantrum. This is not how he'd expect Thauron to handle this reveal, if this is all a game - though maybe Thauron's airing it now, for plot holes, so that when it's the primary premise there aren't obvious errors... "what's the Findekáno doing right now, we could probably use two on getting Stork up to exporting golems by the billion..."

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"He was at one of the Vanda Nossëo embassies investigating a civil war, I introduced him to my friend Sigyn, haven't heard an update since then."

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"Okay."

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"Elspeth got him let go as a condition for teaching them how to build the nuke. It - helped, but -"

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"But I presumably continue being good at people when evil."

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"And King and therefore possessed of lots of leverage. Yes."

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"The latter you can fix."

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"He wasn't optimizing the place to hold together neatly if someone decided that he abruptly needed to be gone. He's been given ten years to sort that out, but we're a little short on incentives for it besides 'not outright stating that he can't have his Findekáno back'."

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"I assume one of me has already predicted that that's not really going to be sufficient?"

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"Mitros has, yes, but like Kib derived it's confusing and not amenable to brute force."

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"I mean, among the forms of brute force available to us is a golem for every single person on the planet who can follow them around and restrain them from interpersonal violence."

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"The country is actually not that badly run on an institutional level. The crime rate is high for Elves but that's for Elves, and it was higher in Evil Valinor."

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"I didn't think it was badly run, I think it's designed to give my alt a couple hundred thousand Elven shields by falling apart without him, and we can prevent that."

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"By turning it into a surveillance state?"

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"The golems don't have to report to anyone - what, are you just planning on leaving him in power if after a decade he goes 'regrettably, I wasn't able to do anything about the inevitable civil war if I'm deposed, except for giving all sides more weapons, which I did very efficiently..."

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"We haven't firmly decided on anything yet. I just don't think 'everybody is followed around by a golem all the time whether they like it or not' is a no-downside strategy."

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"I had one for decades, it's not really that annoying. But if Maedhros has something better in mind that's fine."

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"I encourage you to talk it over with him, he's certainly beat his head against it for a while now."

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"How badly off is the Findekáno?"

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"...reacts disturbingly to powerful people in general and Maitimos in particular. You would probably count as powerful by affiliation alone."

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"I assume his alts have had a go-"

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"Delight, mostly - that's one of the Space ones. Uh, Pterodactyl-and-Kib could be an interesting combination, I don't know that it'd do anything in particular but it might."

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"...because I'm fucked in the head and Pterodactyl isn't and I probably project that around him?"

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"Yep."

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He stares at the wall and reminds himself none of this is real anyway.

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"Should I have been more aggressively secret-keeping?"

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Kib shakes his head.

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"I appreciate having more information; we might think of something to do with it."

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Nod. "Lemme know if me and Pterodactyl should go - visit, or something..."

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"Okay."

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"Did your world have the prophecies -"

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"...I'm not sure I ever interacted with a prophecy except Thuringwethil telling me a couple things about her prophesied death."

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"Melkor shared some with Kib. To see what he'd do with them, I think. They were about me."

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"I didn't interact with any about Maedhros."

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"I didn't even know that prophecies were supposed to be a thing until after my war. Pretty sure we derail fate without even trying."

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"Apparently in Ardas where no one with free will is dropped on the place to shake things up I murder hundreds of thousands of people for unclear reasons."

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"...well. One can imagine various scenarios."

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"Maybe somebody had a Silmaril."

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"...might do it. I assume in a world with no servantmakers my father couldn't just make more of them?" He bounces the memory of the sack of the cave city. "Is that Doriath? I've never been -"

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"Yup, that's Doriath. Your Fëanor can just make more Silmarils?"

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"Out of shines from the light of the Sun and the Moon. Lots of them."

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"I take it all the other ones had it finished before the Darkening?"

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"Yes."

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"I wonder if it was a case of 'I have a way to kill the Enemy and just need this Silmaril and have decided it's worth it to go to war for the Silmaril' or 'I have no such thing but swore an oath and am now completely stuck'. In the prophecy."

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"Couldn't tell you. The oath was... pretty sticky."

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"It's a good thing I had Kib to make me far too sensible for that."

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"Bells: useful!"

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"Maedhros thought so too. He was jealous, because I got a boy."

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"I have been known to disguise myself as a boy but the need didn't come up while I was in Arda and also I didn't want to touch male Elves capable of accidental marriage. Plus I guessed wrong about what I would look like were I a boy."

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"Also, if you met him after -"

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"Yeah, I met him if you can even call it that when I turned him into a bird to get him off a wall. Didn't even know who I had."

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"He likes the wall. Stable background conditions for the hallucinations, contributes to the aesthetic of the place. A bird? And I thought being rescued by my boyfriend who was totally the sort of person to attempt rescuing me, using capabilities I knew we had, was unrealistic."

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"Well, I landed with a handful of things I could do, one of which was turn people into birds, which spell I designed so I could fly but which also got people off walls. I didn't know at the time that there was a particular reason to optimize for plausibility!"

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"You're just lucky you didn't get Kib! It is not obvious that the correct hypothesis about what was up with him would have come up, or that you'd have known what to do about him without knowing he was an alternate universe you. Though humans are too fragile to hang by one hand from cliff faces."

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"You are correct, that could've easily been a mess."

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"I think Kib's strategy is actually better, if one can successfully pull it off, but there is something to be said for playing along with the hallucinations. Or so it seems so far, I'm only on my third."

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"Well, my strategy has this tendency to make one's significant others sad."

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"While mine is positively soothing for my loved ones. The - the first time we spoke, after I got back - your expression - "

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"Fair enough."

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Hand squeeze. "Okay, that's tech and the other Ardas, which is what I think we wanted. If anyone's interested in staying to be Kib's second in Governor we'd be delighted to play host, but we don't have much sense of how busy you all are..."

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"So tempted. Maybe if you don't mind having to break up the game if Cam gets an urgent letter and has to fetch me."

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"I'm supposedly in charge of this country and people certainly bother me as if it's true, we couldn't play at all if we insisted on uninterrupted stretches of time. Can Allspeak sound like Harthanic or something, because otherwise you'll be stuck passing each other notes..."

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"I can cover it with illusions. Who's your second?"

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"Findekáno, obviously. He will grumble at me that people who don't think their lives are hallucinations have things to get done but he won't mean it. We have Kib back. We used to all four play in Valinor -" he sends a memory -

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"Awwwww. Well, if Aydanci isn't going to be annoyed that I'm stepping into his place I would be delighted to sabotage things for you."

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"He won't mind."

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"In order to not benefit the Enemy who might be making Kib and/or me hallucinate this, we picked some truly absurd starting conditions -" and he outlines them.

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"Cute, but how are you planning to decide who everybody's vampire-style mate bond matches up to?"

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"Hmm, we could do it randomly in advance and have it discoverable in the game, but that'll get some personality mismatches - I don't have a sense of how much personality mismatches are a problem with real mate bonds..."

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"Don't happen, basically, requires bizarre interactions with other things to even look like they happen. Circumstance mismatches happen but not basic personality ones."

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"Then this world will have slightly inferior vampiric matebonding, since we can't set the personality of everyone who'll come up well enough in advance..."

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(Cam kisses Loki goodbye and teleports elsewhere.)

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"Poor population of bizarre-starting-conditions-land."

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And Findekáno comes and will make token complaints about how his King wants hundreds of millions of golems but must not want it that badly, and they sit down for a game of Governor.

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And Loki covers her communications with Kib via illusion, and sabotages things on his behalf.

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Kib is as anticipated not quite on his game, although Loki seems to be able to guess where he'll be falling down on the job and compensate.

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Arcologies! Hex's magic system! Vampire mate bonds! All these delightful new rule systems to play with! Kib, functioning again! He is not going to simmer but he will stare adoringly.

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Kib is not as creative as he usually is but he can appreciate a good play as usual and simmer a little bit.

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Well, he will throw things at Kib that are highly requiring of creativity, see if that helps. 

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...frustrating. But it steps him up a little.

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He sees an opportunity to win and passes it up - Findekáno glances at him - and adds more complications. So many complications. Apparently he has an evil alt and he's kind of disappointed the evil alt didn't overthrow the Valar or something - you'd think he'd aim higher than 'take what non-evil versions of me get for free' - and could this plan be even more clever yes it totally could.

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Did you just throw the game?

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...I am optimizing for dramaticness of victory not odds of victory, I totally still intend to win.

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Did you do that before?

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You can yell at me if you can beat me.

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I can tell Kib whether we beat you or not.

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I don't keep things from him. You can tell it to him as 'they had an opening in turn 78, good thing Maitimo was overconfident and very set on seeing how that charging-concealment spell played out' instead of 'they threw away the game to protect your feelings', yes?

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He's not in top form, that doesn't mean he wouldn't see right through me if I did that.

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Then let me, I can pull it off.

Against people I know I can beat, I play for a dramatically satisfying ending. Kib's not usually someone I know I can beat.

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We think he'll get back to normal eventually.

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I think so too. I hope so, because otherwise eventually he'll probably reset on us and odds seem he'll be a girl next time.

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Sample size is not huge, but yes.

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He's only had a few days.

 

And he returns to making his plans weave together.

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And the Bells lose. Alas.

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But the real question is whether Kib looks frustrated or despairing about this. After all, he loses about half the time anyway.

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Frustrated, a little, but not commenting on it.

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Then Maitimo will give him a kiss. Am I going to annoy you if I gloat at length about how there was another plan that might have worked but I rather singlemindedly wanted this one -

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Kiss! No, go ahead.

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Loki actually called me out on it, she thought I was toying with you. It would probably have been more responsible to lean on the air filters angle, if you had a way around a triple mechanical failure while you were at the party it was not obvious to me, but I'd just had the idea for hiding that someone was charging a spell and changing the lighting system so no one noticed that all my people had new eye colors and I wanted to play it out that way. Could possibly also have assassinated you around a hundred five or so but that one failed badly if it failed and I didn't want to take any chances.

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Were you? Toying with me.

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I was sure enough I'd win to think about how to do so most interestingly; I'm not usually that. I was not deliberately giving you extra chances. I really like winning.

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Okay.

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Like you said. We came out with different bits intact. And we're both going to be okay. All the time in the world for it.

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I'm not a patient person.

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Fine. Then we'll do this every night until you can beat me and if it takes longer than two weeks we'll bother Loki for the thinking-faster song and bother Vanda Nossëo for everything else they've got in that vein and by the time you have all your Aly dreams back my father will have sleep unnecessary and you can barrel ahead towards full health at double speed. 

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I love you.

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I love you too. Just, no giving me any 'we can take our time on this' on my issues while getting all impatient with yours.

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You're not as impatient as I am!

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So it's very bizarre for you to be telling me to take my time!

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I'm not impatient with you. I just - there were at least a dozen times in the game where I knew I should have been coming up with more and - didn't, it wasn't there -

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So we play again tomorrow. Did Loki come up with them all or is that only a partial solution, I'd also be happy to look over notes with you and see if there's anything I can fill in -

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Loki came up with some of them, and some that I don't think I would've necessarily managed if I were - working right - but not all of them - and I don't even know if I'm even identifying the gaps correctly -

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Once I'm sure this isn't a hallucination I can just hand you a line to my private thoughts, if that seems likely to help any.

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With my brain being used to being told it's not wanted?

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At noticing gaps. Eru, I'm sorry, we should have kept you in Lórien, should have thought about this as a potential risk -

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...how would Lórien have helped?

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Well, it'd require daily resets but we could have had your brain running all the time -

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That sounds worse.

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If you think so.

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I wouldn't have known what was going on, Aydanci would have fallen apart because he can't lie for shit, being able to play Governor decently is a symptom but not sufficient proof that I needed measures that drastic.

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Okay. Love you. Tomorrow?

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You're on.

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Assuming that Loki does not get called away to fix something with her fantastic cosmic powers.

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Loki is in fact unavailable the next day but Bella visits. "I hear good things about this game."

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He explains how it works. "Now we have to figure out some way you and Kib can pass notes, or have you got all Loki's sorcery?"

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"I have it, although she's got a lot more practice with the less immediately obvious applications. I'll manage."

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"Lovely! And we need to pick a setting! Since both Kib and I believe this might be a malicious hallucination intended to elicit our reactions to things for either the use or the entertainment of the Enemy, we've been trying for setting conditions that are sufficiently bizarre nothing of strategic value could be gleaned from them. Highly unusual avenues to influence people, strange magic systems, etcetera..."

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"Do you have something lined up for today or are you soliciting suggestions?"

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"I don't think it'd take me too long to come up with something but I was in fact soliciting suggestions."

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"I've got an erstwhile bodyguard with a power that could be funny here. She's considered-unimportant by default - except to me, and herself - and has to suppress her magic for anyone it works on who's encountered it unsuppressed to be able to consider her significant."

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"...that's horrifying and I like it. Okay. One-off power or something a significant subset of people in the setting can do?"

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"Lots of 'em. When Addy borrows her power they work on each other!"

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"What's the government like, how does it work if people habitually can't find the rulers or their decrees interesting?"

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"Allirea's downstream consequences can be interesting as long as they're sort of anchored to something that can be perceived independently. She has children, for instance; if she explains an idea to someone while she's unfaded then when she fades again they can remember it if they've assigned it enough importance. And if she suppresses the effect it lifts for everyone at once."

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They spend another twenty minutes hammering out setting details and then settle down to play. "...I would strongly prefer not to meet your bodyguard, if that can be arranged. The Enemy does a lot of tampering with my head and memories and perceptions and even if she's not doing it deliberately it doesn't feel any different."

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"Believe me, I understand. Most people close to me had already been exposed by the time I took over the world and she has to sleep if nothing else, so I let her slide that far, but I don't think she has the slightest interest in leaving Aurum anyway. Addy I'd worry about, but Addy usually can't remember Allirea is interesting either."

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"You're the Bell with experience running a society of reformed terrible people; do you have any insights for the rest of us on the evil planet? Loki and Cam seemed quite - stuck."

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"I have a pretty good understanding of how vampires got that way, is the thing. That and I operated significantly with the threat of lethal force and availability of a precognitive. Evil Arda's etiology is mysterious and Alice's witchcraft doesn't work outside Aurum."

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"What a mess."

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"Yep. I wish I could be more help but I'm not as specialized for it as I look. Siobhan might help - her witchcraft is making plans that succeed - but she'd need more information to go on to get it working."

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"Thanks anyway." And they start the game. 

 

(Findekáno'd taken the news there was an evil Arda pretty well. 'you shouldn't be comforting me', Maitimo'd muttered at him at one point, and Findekáno'd said 'you're right, I'm sure the Maitimo who got his boyfriend confiscated is much more in need of me' and Maitimo made a strangled noise and Findekáno kissed him.)

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Bella writes lightning-quick notes and identifies things Kib misses and sometimes forgets to blink her pretty golden eyes. She's not as good at Governor as Loki, but that winds up meaning she asks Kib more questions; it seems like that helps more than merely flinging the game at him.

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They'll be as to-the-point as they can, this game; he really doesn't want to make Kib feel toyed with.

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It's closer. Kib still loses.

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Frustrated, despairing?

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Grumbly. Well, it took me a few tries when I first picked up the game.

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It did! And I thoroughly enjoyed that while it lasted and it didn't last very long and I'm going to enjoy this and it's not going to last very long.

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Here's hoping.

Reading my notes helps, some.

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We can get you that speeded perception thing, we shouldn't have much more wait on our eidetic memory necklaces, we can bother variants on my father for more cognition-enhancing stuff, he'll be all over that.

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I feel like if I lean on that I won't know how improved I actually am.

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Is it your baseline cognition that matters to you or how good at thinking you actually are because it makes more sense to care about the latter.

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I do care about the latter, but if I miss an improvement I could have made to baseline because I had other stuff to patch the gap then the improvements won't get me as far.

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Fair enough. Let us know how we can help. 

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If I think of anything, will do.

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He has to take the next few days actually running the country, as does Findekáno. Kib could go visit a different set if he wants to play.

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He does not feel the need to play daily Governor. He has notebooks to read and a very long-suffering husband to love on and he's working on writing down what he remembers of being catatonic and interpreting it in retrospect. Iobel visits, but just to chat, which helps too. She brings her cat. The cat is soft.

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The King will drop by in the evening with desserts Kib and Aydanci used to like and say hello to Iobel and her cat.

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The cat is suspicious of the King!

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"Sorry, he doesn't like Mitros and is suspicious of you by proxy."

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"Ooh chocolate."

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"I have noticed that Bells don't have identical food preferences - more than chance but not identical - but if you like these I bet I will too -" Yoink.

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"What'd Mitros do?" he says agreeably, sitting down. "It is definitionally I suppose what I'd have done in his place so Cricket's suspicion is justified."

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"...uh, he needed to get married to be King and... didn't tell me he was gay until after he kissed me."

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"That I wouldn't have done. Though! I did tell Kib in public that his sexual orientation was disgusting and repulsive, so if he had a cat that cat'd probably be mad at me too."

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"Cricket dislikes the overwhelming majority of people, often for entirely trivial reasons, so yes, if Kib had a Cricket the Cricket would probably not like you, for that or something else."

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"I would in general try very hard to be liked by someone who likes practically nobody, just as a point of pride. But my behavior around Kib when he dropped on us was rather astonishingly adolescent, a cat'd find plenty to hold against me."

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"He did like Mitros for a while."

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Cricket sits in Kib's lap and lashes his tail.

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"Is it rude to osanwe him? Does it work?"

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"You can try it if you want but there's a reason I didn't give him an Allspeak installation, it's bad enough that everyone who does have one can understand him now."

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Hello! he says to Cricket. Have you met Aydanci? I am prepared to testify that there is nothing at all objectionable about him. And Kib adores him.

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He is too twitchy, says Cricket.

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His husband was tortured. Makes one twitchy.

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He is like a very gangly rodent. It is unbecoming.

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He bursts out laughing. "Do you like chocolate, Iobel, we can export it if it'd be popular back home."

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"I love chocolate, although we do have it. This particular whatever-it-is is new though."

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"I suppose it makes sense that your influx of space Elves wouldn't have the same cuisine we had back in Tirion."

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"Yup. Or I just haven't done enough culinary tourism on their island."

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"They're taking a big risk, sounds like if they're spellbinders and their familiar's killed they might not be retrievable even by Cam?"

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"So far none of the kids are old enough to have bound familiars and they'll have to be apprised of the risks before they do. Having a spirit animal doesn't cause the vulnerability. Of course, there's no way to get the spirit animal back if it's never bound, yet, either, so, yeah, it's kind of a big deal."

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"When'd you bind yours?"

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"I was seven. He promised he would be very soft once he was corporeal and he was right."

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"Elves'll probably have to be older than seven."

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"Yeah. If their spirit animals fade at the same rate as humans' ones do they'll have a pretty narrow window to bind in before they lose idiolect but after they have the capacity to decide; we're hoping it scales with development instead."

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"Eidetic memory necklaces do anything about idiolect fading?"

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"Don't know, for some reason all the people we've handed them out to so far happen to be the kind of people who bound their familiars! I should loan my dad mine and find out."

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"We are very excited to get those here."

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"Especially if they can cover my and Aydanci's first incarnations."

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"Well, those are Valar-proof, right, so I'm not sure what to expect there, but maybe."

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"How much of Aly do you even have left, Kib?"

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"I don't know exactly... it's been a long time since I got something without knowing what happened before and after though. It wouldn't stun me if I ran out of dreams this week."

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"Aydanci's presumably got a lot more, longer life and a later start on remembering it."

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"Yeah, by a long shot. Takes about three times as long to dream through a period of time as to live it. I'd be done by now if it weren't for the - irregularities."

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"Right."

 

And then Kib can at least know his memories are whole, which Maitimo can never know; but Maitimo can determine that he's at least in the custody of someone with the power to grant free will, and Kib can't verify that. 

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Iobel goes home (taking a few extra desserts with her).

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"I suppose I should be glad I'm going as fast as I am considering originally the plan was to be stuck that way."

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"Yeah. And also you really do under-credit yourself, you are thinking clearly, making inferences about the evil Arda, learning about new technology..."

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"Well, sure, if we want to rate me objectively."

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"I am on the record as saying you're objectively the best person in the world."

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"I don't want to sit around passively having accomplished something like nearly a century ago that gets me that title."

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"I know. 

 

But it's okay if Findekáno and Aydanci do the heavy lifting on the lifesaving for a little bit, while we get ourselves back together."

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"Yeah. A little bit. Just. I wish I were having a vacation on purpose."

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"Do you want one? Loki recommended Findekáno and I some honeymoon spots, I bet she'd be happy to pay for the same for you two..."

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"Not what I meant."

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"I do get what you mean. I did a lot of pushing through things because it was just so infuriating that they weren't already gone, and I hurt myself and everyone who I let notice but it worked, so maybe it was worth it."

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"I don't so much have things to push through - okay, a couple, but they don't come up - as - things to reassemble."

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"I'm actually not sure I know what you mean."

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"I'm not working on an earthquake phobia, I'm working on having forced myself not to do cognition, and now the apparatus I do cognition with is rusty and - and timid."

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"Rusty I'd noticed. What does timid feel like?"

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"I didn't just stop thinking by brute force, it was sort of an agglomeration of things and a lot of it was installing kind of a flinch reaction and it's stronger the more complicated the thinking I'm tempted to do is..."

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Hugs.

We'll get there.

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Kib sighs and smushes his face against Maitimo's shoulder. Love you.

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They play Governor whenever they can spare the time. Kib improves. He points out where he's improving. He points out mistakes. He feels like all of this would be much easier if he could muster some smouldering but.

 

Eventually Kib wins a game.

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You didn't let me win, did you?

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I promise you I wouldn't do that.

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Didn't discard an opportunity for an insufficiently dramatic triumph in turn thirty?

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Nope. If I'd seen a way to beat you I'd have taken it. 

 

Don't be that smug. It's one game. I'll win tomorrow.

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Maybe.

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Awwww. 

He sits there stiffly in place of simmering, but - very impressive.

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Kib laughs and starts flipping through the notes for the game, putting them in order.

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He watches him fixedly, still not moving, radiating fondness for Kib.

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You all right?

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I'm unusually conscious of the difference between 'pretty much good enough' and 'everything okay'. Am I ruining your moment of triumph? Sorry.

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It's all right, I wasn't planning to coast on it all day.

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I want to want you right now and I don't know if that's ever coming back. It's not a matter of phobias. I handled those.

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What is it a matter of?

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I have no idea! It's very frustrating! I could fake it but that seems like a bad idea but maybe that's how I refamiliarize myself -

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Familiarity seems like maybe not the thing? I for one distinctly recall having wants about completely unfamiliar stuff.

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I want you. There's just no - impetus. I can correctly answer the question 'do I wish Kib were in bed with me' I just don't - Well, empirically I sit here moping.

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What was the impetus like when you had it?

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I asked you once if you wanted me to send it -

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If you can remember it well enough to do that, go ahead.

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He remembers. A burning, distracting, intensifying fixation on Kib, a tendency for his mind to wander at the slightest provocation (and Kib's moves are a provocation, Kib's smiles are a provocation) - for his mind to wander to want, his arms to tingle with not having Kib in them, a glance or a laugh or a smug comment like a jolt of lightening - 

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...squirm.

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Well, sending it is something he can keep doing. This is what it was, wanting, his whole absurdly attentive-to-people mind turned to Kib and imagining Kib in his bed and banishing the imaginary Kibs to appreciate every gesture and comment and expression on the real Kib, who he wanted...

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I love you.

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I love you too. 

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I could pull the same thing in reverse if you like but it might freak you out?

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Won't freak me out. Might help, or something.

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Let me know if you want me to stop.

And -

- he can never call to mind with sufficiently exact fidelity what things feel like and it's all nagging sensation that he needs to check, again, that his hair was that soft and his skin was that warm and the swoop of being effortlessly picked up was thus and the taste of kisses like so - all just insufficiently known until he's within a breath's reach of them again - and the expression on Maitimo's face and the sensation of being effortlessly appealing and it was so perfectly tempting to insinuate and smirk and tease and any moment he would be reminded why he wrote all those exclamation points - impatient gleeful anticipation, seeking, demanding, delighting -

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Do you want -

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If -

- yeah but -

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He picks him up. He kisses him. It'll be pretending, a little bit, no way around that anymore, everything I do is at least a little bit pretending -

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Kiss. Okay.

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Memories, memories, as vividly as he can find them in his head - Lórien hadn't seen or at least hadn't tampered - this is what it was like, wanting you - 

And then they're in bed and it's too tiring to pretend, there's too many other things his head is doing - can you take the lead here? I want-

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Yeah. Yeah, I can - what do you want -

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I want the Enemy to have failed. I want you to take me in your arms and do whatever you'd like as long as you go slow, very very slow, so I can remind myself that it's Kib, not a game, not a lie, could say no - I want it to be nice for you while still permitting exceptional laziness on my part, I guess. How seductive. But he sends flickers of remembered want, as he talks.

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I can work with that.

Very very slow. Verrrrry slow. It's been a while, he'd probably be all exploratory anyway.

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And he is not going to tense up, no, he is going to believe that this is Kib.

Love you.

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Love you, love you - He can send it, too, all achingly warm and bittersweet and his hair is that soft it really is -

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And at first he will let Kib kiss him and then he will run his hands through Kib's hair while Kib kisses him and then he will hold Kib still for kissing - love you, love you - anything you want -

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Kib wants the Enemy not to have succeeded and of ways to arrange that well there's this one -

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If this one's a hallucination he hope they scrub it from his memory, because reliving it is going to hurt - he pulls Kib closer and makes a happy pleased sound and isn't sure how much of that is pretending -

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Ooh a pleased noise. Kib is very pullable.

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That was a pretty clever play. Didn't even - didn't even take you that long - we're going to be okay.

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And it won't take a thousand years. Kisses.

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Sixty years with you in them had more - meant more - felt more - than the two thousand before that - you're contagious or something - Kisses.

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...that is the best compliment and Kib is thrilled have some being-thrilled.

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Kib being thrilled is lovely, he can bask in it and make a longing pleased noise that's probably slightly less of a lie -

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- and be kissed! Lots of being kissed going on. And going sloooooowly with anything else that might be happening.

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Look at him, not panicking or freezing up or admittedly being particularly responsive but you have to lose some games of Governor to get your brain back in shape to win them - and the kissing is nice -

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Yeah, Kib was not expecting to work literal magic here but this is still - nice. Slowly slowly slowly. Generous with the thoughts as they go by and meet standards for sharing.

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Scared this'll end is not a thought worth sharing. Scared Kib's voice will change and he'll say 'I think I was very nice to you with this lovely hallucination that you won the war, Maitimo, I think you owe me' is not a thought worth sharing. Guilt and helplessness and a hundred memories that weren't really Kib, not sharing.  Tirion, before the war, dizzy with love and want and the certainty both those things would last forever - Kib shining gold and silver by light that'll never grace the world again -

No, he can do better. Waking up with Kib in his arms. 'do you like waking up to oral sex,' he'd said, 'I meant to ask', and Kib had worried it'd interfere with the dreams and Maitimo'd started rebraiding his hair and Kib saying '...So were you offering..." - Kib looking so smug -

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I remember that - He has his angle on the memory, doing that thing where he takes a question at face value and evaluates it on the practicalities and then catches up to the context - it was still novel at the time how Elves love having their hair played with -

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He can definitely send how Elves love having their hair played with - how Elves love having their hair played with while their human boyfriend is squirming delightedly- 

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And his hair is still so soft. Pet pet. (Slowly, no sudden movements.)

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Hair petting is nice. The Enemy kept it short and it's too sensitive that way, overwhelming when touched and not in a good way. Now his hair is nice and long again and hair petting is nice and he doesn't have to dredge up memories to send.

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Oh good. Lots of that then. Pet pet pet. Running it between his fingers. Kisses, roaming away from his lips and sprinkled across his cheeks his forehead and onto the scalp.

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He can reward this with happy gasping noises, he remembers what those are supposed to sound like.

And he mostly lets himself relax. Mostly. 

Love you -

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I love you, I love you, I love you - And those are good noises; Kib's trying not to dwell on the pretense, trust the feedback he's getting on at least the level that if taken at face value it'll steer him where Maitimo wants him to go.

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Yes, that's the idea. Slow, very slow, and responsive to how Maitimo's reacting less because Maitimo's sure of what he wants and more because that means it matters what he wants -

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It matters. Kib follows the hints as he gets them without holding out for decades-gone enthusiasm. Slowwwwwwwly.

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He is worried that Kib isn't having any fun. This seems silly; he sends it anyway, tentatively, after a while - don't have to do this for me -

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You're lovely, Kib says. Worry about me being bored in bed with you after it hasn't been years and years - or don't worry about it at all, that also works - Kisses.

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It has been years and years. And they're very nice kisses. And he will nudge Kib away from having his arms around him, or having his weight on him, or holding his head in place, but everything else is fine - sometimes quite nice -

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Kib picks up on the nudging, makes sure Maitimo can move around even though he's not doing much of it. Slowly slowly slowly.

...not infinitely slowly though...

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Of course not. This is Kib. He can send how much he adores Kib's impatience, see if that suffices as permission -

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It's close enough.

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Whatever you want, he says, in case that's clearer. Just need to be able to move around a little -

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Yeah -

He can manage that. Like - so.

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That's nice.

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Oh good.

Love you~

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Yeah. Love you. Are you - are you glad we found you - you could have found Aydanci, you could have been safe -

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Kiss. - found me when?

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Snaked into Valinor. Obviously storming Angband to rescue you was a good idea...

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I probably would've reincarnated again by now if that even works twice - and I helped, I think I helped - and I love you -

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You helped. You helped so much. Couldn't possibly have done it without you - you mattered -

 

- love you...

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Nuzzle. Kiss. We'll be okay.

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Yeah.

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Love you.

Careful mobility-preserving slow demonstrations thereof.

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He loves Kib. He loves Kib and he trusts him and he lets this override the panic.

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And Kib does not at any time cease to be Kib - and Maitimo does not at any time cease to be Maitimo - and eventually they are snuggling and Kib is dozy.

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G'night.

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Night. Love you.

Nice dreams tonight, sounds like.

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That's good. 

 

In a week he's going to try getting married.

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Normal dreams are WEIRD, Kib comments when he yawns awake in the morning.

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You've got Aly's whole life?

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I guess? Because I'm pretty sure Aly never turned into a dolphin? Are dreams always like that I barely remember it was so weird.

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That's common enough, yeah. Also you don't tend to remember them... Loki can teach us how to turn into birds, if we want. Not dolphins.

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Is being a bird nice?

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Flying sounds nice.

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It does. I wonder how hard it is to learn to do.

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No idea. Perhaps we can relocate to the fluffy grass while learning.

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Sounds like a plan.

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Findekáno works out a ten-year plan for making Stork a major exporter of the golems that Vanda Nossëo thinks will sell best; it has a couple steps Cam can save time on, but the eventual goal is golem assembly lines that are run from the mining to the lettering all by golems, so the only work that need be done is designing more interesting servants and waking the ones for export. It looks like the number of babies on Stork might be scaling with the growing population, which will eventually be worrisome. 

 

The improved Valar are happy to reopen the portals.

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That's nice of them. Kib and Aydanci can go have a look at how Lapis and Wrebb are doing these days.

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They've changed a lot in sixty years, but they're still familiar. More crowded.

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At various levels of indirection they probably saved the lives of nearly everybody alive on the planet today. That's nice. They go catch up with Aydanci's old friends who took over stork handling in their absence; they're still hanging on, retired, passed it all to those nice Elves in Little Valinor.

When they come home Kib remarks to Maitimo that it's interesting how the scenario is relying on literally nothing but Kib's own aversion to dissipation to get him to do - anything. I don't know where I'd get definitive proof, but...

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But a sudden disaster demanding you servantmake would be a lot more strategic? Crossed my mind too. And the tech - even only counting the bits that we understand -

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Yeah, the design work is impressive and often non-obvious...

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I keep providing him with what he'd usually find deliciously entertaining opportunities to end it, he keeps - not -

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I keep getting complete nonsense for dreams. It's not impossible he figured out a way to block them coming in and waited until I had a complete continuous set of memories to do it...

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...do you want me to play devil's advocate on this?

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...yeah.

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I wouldn't do it by figuring out a way to erase memories, I'd do it by figuring out a way to fork you. Like can be done with the computer chip Elves, only we don't know it can't be done other ways - cut the brain hemispheres off from each other in a way that gets you two people, or find an oath that an orc can take that overwrites them with your personality completely enough they're effectively you - I don't know of oaths that can do that and the orc'd have to be as smart as you but there are a billion of them, maybe there are some - then confront you with a bunch of versions of you who have themselves all currently forgotten they're in Angband, might have to wait for the stars to align to have two of you up and thinking at once, get them to convince the third - if he can do that he could do dictionary attacks you don't remember because they're being conducted with disposable people rather than resets on memory. 

 

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...you know, I think very highly of myself but I'm honestly not sure I'm worth that level of convolution.

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Sometimes I comforted myself with the thought that time spent fucking with me was probably not being spent well, from a strategic perspective.

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There are cheaper ways to fuck with me. If he has orcs as smart as me around he could just get them to teach themselves to program out of books, he has Stork humans on hand...

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Are there cheaper ways to fuck with you? You were not responsive. I can see Thauron generating complicated ways to wake you up out of sheer vindictiveness.

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I can go right back under again if the fucking with me part starts, though, I come pretty fucking close to doing it when I stub my toe or cut myself shaving, honestly, I have no pain tolerance left...

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Hugs. There's a Thauron still loose; I half expect he'll run around the multiverse convincing people who are out that they're not, it wouldn't be that hard...

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Okay, yes, that's concerning, but that's something we learned about in-scenario.

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Yeah. ... your pain tolerance is lower? I had a lot of chronic pain Lórien fixed that I hadn't even parsed as not the default state of existing...

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It's complicated - my physical pain tolerance is higher but my psychological pain tolerance is lower because I no longer have normal expectations about where it'll stop. I could handle far more than stubbing my toe without even blinking if I didn't expect it to escalate way beyond what I can handle. ...Probably also had fewer persistent injuries than you? Fragile human.

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We should have protected you better.

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And we should've checked the fake humans over better, should have, should have -

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We've got forever. 

 

Speaking of which, we're probably going to take a long honeymoon. Don't mind what people think when we come back but don't want to deal with it immediately.

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Should I plan on visiting you, or no?

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That'd be lovely.

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I bet Loki recommended you someplace nice.

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She'd done lots of research for this specific purpose!

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And of course I have the excuse that I'm off gallivanting around with my alts.

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You should talk with Aydanci about what he wants. I would eventually like to stop keeping the important people in my life secret. But I imagine the last thing he wants is attention, while he's still getting used to having you back...

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I think he's less worried about attention from random people - we could just move, or make rude remarks to them, whatever - more concerned about his family.

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Yeah, that's reasonable. I'm not expecting mine to take it well.

 

On a happier topic! Planets can petition to join a very loose Noldorin empire whose capital is Vanda Nossëo, the only rules to join are that you have no legal barriers to freedom of movement, let them come around dropping tech and magic to reduce non-legal barriers, and sign some sort of generic galactic rights of persons treaties. Mitros and Iobel aren't joining because they want their own galactic empire, but I'm sort of inclined to sign Shine up, thought I'd ask you about Stork -

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I don't in fact rule Stork.

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Yes, but would you like to?

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Maybe.

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I'd do it the same way my counterparts are building their galactic empire, on a smaller scale. Any city-state can sign up, minimal criteria and minimal oversight and lots of bribes if they sign up, then once you actually have the time and attention to exert more power and a better sense of the problems to exert it at, everyone's used to being one of your citizens - 

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It kinda doesn't meet the outlandish starting conditions criterion.

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...do you want me to build you an empire as a birthday present, because I can also just do that. Enemy gets nothing from you.

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I love you.

I want to work on it, I - just -

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Trust me, I know. 'take over Stork' is exactly the sort of project whose absence you were commenting on. Dote on your husband, make up for a couple decades' lost time, let me establish to myself that this is real and then give Maedhros two more colony planets - it'll soothe my pride anyway, the only reason he's got a galactic empire is because his war happened first - and then give you a crown once conditions have changed enough...

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It's so frustrating. And, like, this being the worst of my problems is pretty tame, but.

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I remember the feeling from that year I spent carving chassis while we decided what to do about me, yeah.

 

If Aydanci were similarly inclined I'd suggest dropping the two of you on some planet that's not currently under Vanda Nossëo's close supervision just because they are spread so thin, sufficiently bizarre starting conditions, go have a go of it - but I don't think he'd find that very fun. 

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He'd do it but I have really overtaxed his boundless willingness to do things for me.

I don't know, maybe I can help in respects that wouldn't interest the Enemy - less strategy and more keeping the population happy and, and economics and public education interests and stuff.

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Sounds good. 

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Thank you.

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Oh, this is entirely a question of personal convenience, I was thinking about how even if we could ever be open I can't have two King's-consorts, people'd confuse them, and you'd probably chafe anyway, so making you a King of something was the most obvious solution, and anyway Mitros promised Iobel an empire and he's not even in love with her, and promised her it would span the stars before they even knew that stars were suns and around them were other worlds.

And then you'll have to change my nickname to Empire!

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You can pick your own nickname if you want to change it, you don't have to wait for me to do it! ...My entire template will just decline to use it in protest if it's numerical or similarly tasteless.

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I think this is very silly of you, the numbers are hilarious. I like my nickname. But I like it because I gave you an island, and once I give you an empire I shall want to be named after that. 

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I'll make sure I name it something nice then.

I think Aydanci'll be good at coruling a planet, too.

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Yes, I think so. He'll take it very very seriously and he works very hard and he's brilliant. 

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It's really convenient that all my significant others get along so well.

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I do not think you can claim credit for Findekáno and I getting along but the rest you can chalk up to excellent taste.

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Yes I can.

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Or maybe 'magnetism' is a better word than taste. Excellent people are drawn to you. You didn't do much seducing, even if it felt that way...

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Like I said way back when I don't have to be trying to be brilliant and vain, I'm just like that all the time.

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Love you.

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Love you.

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They get married. It is - inimitable, or feels like it ought to be. Being married is like having Findekáno in his arms all the time, on some level. It's tremendously soothing. It's also distracting, seems to almost involve having three extra senses that swirl entirely around Findekáno. He has more attention, more memory, but not more of it to spare, because the new bits are rather single-minded in their focus. When they want to they can think together, inferences are now so easy.

Findekáno can now feel his emotions. Findekáno can feel the wanting-to-die. Findekáno doesn't say anything but Maitimo still knows how he feels about it, because.

And when they're making each other happy there's a feedback loop that they have to experiment with a few times so they stop having a problem where a single kiss leaves them gleeful and giggly and anything more than that leaves them uselessly glazed with bliss for several hours.

"You can do the filtering so sex is wonderful but not mind-wiping, I assume, or our society would look quite different," Findekáno grumbles after the effects of one of those is fading.

"Maybe straight people are bad at sex."

"Darling, I love you, but this is pretty far from the best we've had. If straight people are this bad at sex -"

"There's probably a way to do the filtering."

 

They figure it out.

They decide to stay married.

They pop over to where the reembodied orcs are being given free will. That is - inimitable, or ought to be.

 

They ask for the free will to be reversed, marriage being rather delightful. "Are you sure now?" Findekáno says. 

"Not - completely sure. Maedhros seems certain.  Played out differently for him. I am almost sure."

"Okay."

"I'm sorry, this has been so hard on you -"

"Don't apologize."

"Want to get back to -"

"Yeah."

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Loki doesn't even complain about the extra picking-up-the-Aether this requires.

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Cam puts her sleeve back and hugs her.

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Kib gets his eidetic memory necklace - it doesn't directly cover Aly memories, but it does cover the moments right after waking up when they're clear and crisp and so it's nearly as good, just a little fuzzier. He picks up Loki's spells and Allspeak. He catches up on Stork culture - mostly just the culture, not the politics, not the advances in servantmaking, he and Aydanci quietly work out a division of labor they can live with that doesn't put anything strategic in Kib's lap and doesn't overwhelm Aydanci with too many things, once they're running the place. He talks to his alts, visits all their worlds.

He visits his honeymooning boyfriends.

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His honeymooning boyfriends are giggly and can't stop looking at each other! Marriage is pretty great! I'm glad no one told me or I might have been tempted to get straightened or something. How's it going.

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Going all right. Loki designed me a crown but I don't have as much experience as she does holding mental images properly so I can't quite get the illusion right. What's so temptingly nice about being Elf-married that you might have wanted to go and do a thing like that?

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Loki's a bit ahead of herself, I don't have a planet for you to rule yet and expect it'll take a few years.

 

And we can, to the degree we mutually please, feel each others' emotions, and if we are both having a lovely time this creates these ridiculous little feedback loops - he sends a very toned down version of the effect. And marriage gives you three new senses! Apparently everyone parses them a little differently but mine feel like 'constant vague awareness of Findekáno's wellbeing, something like a physical impression of being cuddled, and a sense of how on-the-same-page we currently are.'

 

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Mine are a sense of changes in Maitimo's mood, very detailed synaethetic experience that'll translate to 'what Maitimo wants' once I understand what everything corresponds to, and the cuddled thing.

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Awwww, that sounds lovely, I'm jealous.

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Once we find someone who the Aether likes the way the Tesseract likes Loki, maybe they can give people marriages without taking away their free will. The free will I'd be neutral on without the marriages - it's discomfiting losing it, it feels like being cut off from something you didn't know you were connected to - but it's not necessarily something I'd miss - and oaths are awfully double-edged...

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I like my free will, I'm using it! Anyway, Loki says she only uses the Aether for free will because the soul and mind themed rocks would hate her and it's really clumsy for the application, they'd probably be able to do more finessey stuff like "Elf marriage without any other side effects" if somebody who could use those turned up.

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They should really be looking, sounds like the magic rocks are by far the most useful powers we have. And we can try with the space Elves so if they die it is not a disaster.

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Are we sure their marriages are similar, what with the running on chips thing? And the Tesseract is in a pissy mood because it found out there are worlds it can't reach and won't do anything as personable as interview people to evaluate their compatibility with rocks. Loki hasn't tested Tesseract-versus-daeva yet because she's worried the Tesseract would lose and then it would get even crankier. Apparently death is not even the worst case scenario, especially with mind and soul.

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Cam could let the Tesseract win so it's in a better mood?

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She thinks it could maybe tell.

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Maybe we should set a couple of my father to the project of either extending the Tesseract's reach or making worlds that weren't previously adjacent adjacent, so we can bring everyone near Edda. It'd be tremendously useful quite aside from cheering the Tesseract up.

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It would! Have you seen a 'map' of all the adjacencies we know?

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No, though I've been told the general principles....

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Kib is at least competent enough with illusions to put up a map. Edda with a lot of unnamed minor worlds and three Ardas branching off of it; Evil Arda connecting to Aurum, Space Arda hooked up through a buffer of daeva worlds to Limbo and Revelation, Space Arda branching off over here also to Hex which connects Stork which connects Shine. And presumable snake world, he adds, branching off from Stork again.

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So there are adjacent worlds with Bells - Hex and Stork - but no adjacent Ardas, and every Arda so far has gotten exactly one extradimensional visitor before or during its war.

And Bella's and Cam's worlds, which are something like eight hops apart, are functionally identical as of the point where they were born except for the nature of the supernatural, which had been different for thousands of years but didn't change the course of history? That - suggests there's something like fate at work in the human worlds, too...

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Yeah, it's weird. And they're out of Edda range so even if the Aether were talkative one day it couldn't tell Loki whether they had fate to make not-real.

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Since you've gotten the tour of the worlds at this point, where should we go once we have the time?

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Depends on what you want to do. Do you want to look at high-tech architecture built by Elf sensibilities? Do you want to meet disturbing pretty people who are all controlling a desire to drink your blood? Do you want to see Cam being really self-congratulatory?

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Does Cam being self-congratulatory look like you being self-congratulatory because that sounds appealing. And what's he being self-congratulatory about?

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He's very proud of the Limbo infrastructure and there are probably nuances because he's still perpetually 15% guilt complex and didn't figure out how to get to Limbo on his own, but I imagine it is otherwise similar.

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Is the perpetual guilt complex fixable because I think he deserves better, considering. And I'd love to go to Limbo, that sounds neat, and also would let me make up my mind about whether we should become daeva if it works.

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Theoretically fixable but I think for it not to take a long damn time it'd have to involve somebody he killed being like 'yup that made sense good job' and he's not going to go around fishing for that.

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And all of us would have reacted like that - my family, I mean - but we weren't on-planet at the time - hmm, if space Arda has the same people I bet I know some -

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It doesn't. I assume it wouldn't help for my alts to talk to him?

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I mean, you might be able to get somewhere on him feeling vaguely awkward around your templates, but probably not with the guilt complex, no.

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Might still be worth it, it's weird for him to feel vaguely awkward around me.

One of my space alts caught me up on the whole mess and, well, the Enemy had another fifty Years to fuck with people in Tirion and he got a lot better at it - and they had a population of millions, he just had a lot more raw material. 

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Yeah, Cam's first impression of Space You was 'exes with a shitload of drama, do not touch' and it just kind of didn't improve from there beyond working-relationship levels.

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And so when it came to an important disagreement there wasn't enough mutual trust to actually talk it out, yeah. If you and Maitimo'd decided to feed a planet to a black hole I would disagree, for the same reasons my alt did, but we respect each other and you would not find yourself needing to threaten to kill me.

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Yeah, he feels bad about that but doesn't think the Space Findekános would actually appreciate an apology, you can let him know if you think they would.

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Hmm? No, they don't hold it against him, he was under a lot of stress and that was rather the least of it. They do all think he made a bet with bad expected value and got lucky with it, though I do not think they've said that, it wouldn't help him and it's not as if there's any point in making him think about it more.

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Yeah, I don't think that would help at all.

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Thus why it is going unsaid. 

I'd still love you but I loved you to start with; they'd forgive him just on principle, and even if the bet hadn't worked out, but there's not really much point in talking about it because there's no relationship there which they want to mend.

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Nod. It's a pity the way it sort of spills over to the alts though.

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Yeah. Which is why I'd be happy to say something if there's anything you think it'd be helpful to say.

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He will be perfectly nice to you pretty much on my behalf, and would probably get to like you if you happened to have a reason to be around him much, but I can't think of magic words for it.

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Fair enough. The vampire planet doesn't sound super appealing, is there much we're missing there?

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Not super touristy, and where it is so's Revelation and moreso.

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Found anything intellectually interesting and not useful?

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Evil Arda Melian made Elspeth a bush that grows animal-blood berries and they're trying to scale up production. Cam can do blood, but the vampires can barely stomach it fresh, let alone preserved, and the bushes are magic. I didn't meet Elspeth because they think her magic would probably do more harm than good to my epistemology.

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The explaining things that worked such wonders on the Valar?

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It's sort of generalized communication magic, specialized for things that are true as she understands them. Apparently she's really hard but not actually impossible to disbelieve when she makes statements, and the Bells think I'd probably resist believing her and find the effect disconcerting. They're probably not wrong.

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Does she leave you convinced that she is representing the truth as she understands it, or that whatever she said is actually true?

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She attaches - metadata, kinda - about how good her evidence is. So, really high confidence she's not lying and decently-calibrated confidence that she's right.

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Maybe I'll go meet her now that I'm persuaded enough.

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You are? How far's 'enough'?

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An Enemy who had the power to imitate marriages or make oaths stop working and give people free will is certainly an Enemy capable of fully general mind control.

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So it's kinda a 'if this is not real I'm just fucked, let's assume it is' situation?

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If the Enemy had fully general mind control there's no reason anything would have looked the way it did up to the war starting. I suppose I could be skeptical of all of those memories, or suppose he figured out how to do it at some later point, but - the hallucinations don't make sense for someone with those capabilities, they're strategically entirely without value and they're not optimized for sadism either.

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Nod.

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I don't know what'd get you to that point. Maybe familiarizing yourself enough with the technology. I'm sorry.

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Not your fault.

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I'd contest that but we were having a really good run of honeymoon days in which more than half the time was spent on activities other than moping and self-recrimination.

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I have no wish to discourage this allotment of your time.

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Well, see, nowadays self-loathing hurts each other. It's this lovely incentive to appreciate ourselves properly. 

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You are both lovely, Kib asserts.

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They stare at each other adoringly for a minute and then he shakes his head, laughing. I understand how Melian and Thingol took twenty Years now.

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Twenty Years is still really overdoing it.

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Oh, definitely, but it wouldn't have been deliberate - assuming the feedback loop with a Maia's stronger - there's no way you'd even realize twenty Years had passed.

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Less jealous now!

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The feedback loop is not like that with Elves! We lost a few hours the first few times and then figured it out.

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Well, I suppose you must have since here you are talking to me. ...Still.

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You and Aydanci can worry about it once someone with enough finesse over the soul stone is around, it might be quite a while.

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Yeah.

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How long are you stopping by?

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Not on a specific schedule except I want to be home for dinner, Aydanci's brother's coming over.

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Alright.

 

 

And after a moment's awkward pause - marriage has not, if you were wondering, made us monogamous.

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I couldn't think of a good way to ask!

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You can at least have faith that if that turned out to be a side effect we'd have, after getting unmarried, talked with you if we wanted it back!

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Yeah, I figured. Was getting unmarried weird?

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I feel really badly for everyone in Elentári. It's both unpleasant in its own right and would be horrifying to experience without knowing how and why and that it can be reversed.

 

 

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Loki's got a waiting list going and she's putting people's fatedness back whenever she picks up the Aether.

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Oh, I don't blame her at all, she's obviously doing the best she can with it and losing your soul bond with someone is worth it to free all the orcs. But still. Glad we could jump the queue.

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Yeah. She's sort of perpetually annoyed that she did not "completely rescue" Maedhros and probably finds doing nice things for his alts soothing to this annoyance.

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He's all rescued.

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Yes, but it took longer than she was aiming for.

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Well, that's an interesting standard. Maybe it's a not-Elf thing, maybe it's a Bell thing - I shall be satisfied with your rescuedness once you're up to shape no matter when that date comes around.

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Sigh. That'd be nice.

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Not optimistic?

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I don't know how optimistic to be.

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Fair enough. Optimistic enough to come over here and kiss me?

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I will be delighted to kiss you. And he does.

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Kisses. Hair-petting.

I think I would enjoy watching you two and exploiting my soul bond to get the experience anyway without all this very kind dancing around my missing pieces.

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Clever exploitation of soul bonds, I like it. And he goes and kisses Findekáno.

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Who does not need to be kissed slowly and does not mind hugs and is delighted with this application of soul bonds.

 

Maitimo curls up in the corner and watches them.

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Kib: also delighted with this application of soul bonds. So convenient and cheaty. He will make an effort to be pleasingly watchable.

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Kib: does not have to make much effort to be very pleasing. He is so adorable.

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Good, this is the correct attitude for people he's having sex with to have.

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The rest of the visit: not spent on moping or self-recrimination!

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Love you both, Kib says when it is time for him to go home for dinner.

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Love you. Take care.