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Being alive is to being dead as having a host body is to being just a Yeerk alone, sort of. There is still sensation. Interpretable, even, if you put the effort in. But there's very little of it, and other things are missing that shouldn't be. A sense of place, of existing somewhere in particular rather than just in general. A sense of time. Maybe it has been an hour. Maybe it has been ten years. There have been interactions. Brief ones. Distant, bureaucratic. 

 

And suddenly there is more sensation, things that parse as voices speaking, as people pacing and arguing with each other.

" - hear the jurisdiction argument first."

"If there's a finding that the jurisdiction argument might be decisive, we can hear the jurisdiction argument. I just don't want to spend a week on that and then go, oh look, Neutral Evil either way -"

"That's the rule for individual exclusions of short duration. Jurisdiction is prior to that - look, there's precedent, here -"

"I'll hear the jurisdiction argument. I recommend you don't take a week about it."

"Actions taken in the Material Plane but outside Golarion are not properly within the scope of this court. If you wanted to rule more narrowly, you could say 'outside this star system' or 'thousands of light-years away' or 'in a society not causally entangled with ours in any way', those produce the same result. Three arguments, the first from Elysium vs. Ellostar, -2334 - in cases where we have very limited information beyond that directly coded in the soul about events, we lack the resources required to issue conventional judgments. Someone in Katheer kills a rival. We evaluate his situation, his intent, the victim's situation and intent, the local laws, his understanding of the local laws, "the bulk of the information required to determine whether a killing is lawful and whether it could have been reasonably understood to advance a chosen value system is contained not in the subject's mind but in his environment", that's from Hell vs. Izabetta, 2117."

"That's an argument that can be raised in the case of each individual decision, that there's unusual uncertainty about the reasonableness of the defendant's state of knowledge, it's not a general defense to anything at all you do if it's far enough away."

"This is a jurisdiction argument, not a state of information argument, you can't answer a jurisdiction argument by saying we can remedy lack of jurisdiction by taking the case we don't have jurisdiction over and then trying to adjust for the court's own confusion -"

"Hell vs Izabetta's a state of information case."

"Does the court want clarification of my point about Hell vs Izabetta."

"Not really, no."

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 What. This is very confusing. 

- why is he still dead - he doesn't know how long it's been but surely longer than it takes to cast Resurrection - where's Carissa - also dead, presumably - or at least he hopes so, it's also hard to retrieve his memory of what was happening when he died but he knows the alternatives are all worse - 

It's so hard to keep track of what's happening, there are voices saying words but it's a struggle to string any of it together into a coherent timeline. 

It seems like it's probably important?

Mhalir isn't even sure if he can speak but he tries anyway, "you have Alloran," and then he stops because whatever is going on here this probably doesn't help his case at all, but - it's true and relevant and so he's saying it, that's the sort of shape he is... 

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"Pause to speak to our client -"

"Granted."

"Do you know your name," one of the voices with associated vague impression of officiousness and dustiness says to him.

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That's a weird question, why wouldn't he, but he answers on automatic. "Mhalir four-three-seven-six." 

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"Do you know where you are."

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"...No?" 

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"Filing a request for accommodations under the Fair Trial Act -"

 "Yes, yes." Impatiently.

"He was briefed!"

"There's no procedural defense to not meeting the first six provisions of the Fair Trial Act, and conducting a trial while the defendant doesn't know where he is is a very clear -"

"The request was granted, argument on it will cease."

Someone addresses Mhalir again. "Does it sound to you like we are speaking in a language you understand, using words that you are familiar with, at a speaking speed you can follow?"

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"Yes." Which is confusing, come to think of it, because he's not wearing a host body right now. In fact, he doesn't think he has a body at all. "I - am finding it hard to remember what was said in order, though. I know I am dead? Is this how it is supposed to work - I thought it would just be...magic...?" 

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"It's got to be the species thing," someone says. "The appropriate boosts to working memory look different."

"I'm working on it."

"The court requests an investigation into why this wasn't determined before trial."

"The court will recall that we're pretty godsdamned overwhelmed right now, which is in part the defendant's fault -"

"That's prejudicial."

"Sorry. I'm missing my best friend's funeral."

"That's prejudicial."

 

Someone...does something... and now Mhalir is sitting in a room with six other people at different desks. One of them is an angel in a pressed formal military uniform of some kind; one of them is a spinning ball of interlocking bits of metal, one of them is a scowling devil, one is a cat, one looks like an aged and dignified human and sits at the nicest desk in the middle, and one is in the corner, perched on his desk, taking notes. 

"Do you know your name," says the cat.

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"Mhalir four-three-seven-six." Did they ask him that question already? He thinks so but it's already slipping into the indiscriminate fog of 'not now.' 

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"Do you know where you are."

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He looks around the room. It's still not quite clear how he's doing this, because he's still not in a host body, but - magic, presumably. 

"Somewhere in the Golarion afterlife. You are - deciding where I will go?"

He was about to ask if they were deciding whether he would go to Hell, but one, he doesn't read Lawful, and two, he doesn't know if there still is a Hell. 

He vaguely wants to apologize to the one who's missing their best friend's funeral but he doesn't know which person at which desk that voice corresponds to. 

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"Yes," says the cat. "Every soul is entitled to a trial, at which it is decided which afterlife matches their actions and choices while living. The trial takes place in the Boneyard, the Neutral afterlife. You are allowed to speak at the trial if you would like. Does it sound to you like we are speaking in a language you understand, using words that you are familiar with, at a speaking speed you can follow?"

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"Yes." 

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"Do you understand that you had, while alive, the capacity to take actions, and that those actions had effects on the world and on other people?"

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"- Yes." This seems self-evident enough that he's confused why they're even asking.

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"Do you understand that the purpose of this court is to determine your alignment and which afterlife you are assigned to?"

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Mhalir starts to say yes, and stops, because he's suddenly overwhelmingly sad and confused.

"I - I thought Aroden would raise us..." He trails off, too late, unsure how much information the court has and whether he should be trying not to reveal things - but surely it's pointless, surely they can read everything out of his mind anyway. "Carissa, my host - is she here - can I talk to her..." 

It's sinking in, now, that he's still dead. That the court is talking about where to send him, on the assumption that will be permanently.

He's not the same alignment as Carissa. If they both stay dead, he won't ever see her again. 

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"You will be able to talk to other petitioners in your assigned afterlife after your trial has been completed," says the note-taker in the corner, from rote. "Trials are sometimes delayed in the case of an imminent anticipated resurrection but in this case there is no imminent anticipated resurrection."

"Are you satisfied with the accommodations," the dignified man says to the cat. 

"Yes," says the cat. 

"Then let's get this started. Jurisdiction-"

"I present the court with three arguments that we don't have jurisdiction over Mhalir's actions before he reached Golarion's star system," says the angel. "First,  from Elysium vs. Ellostar, -2334 - in cases where we have very limited information beyond that directly coded in the soul about events, we lack the resources required to issue conventional judgments. Someone in Katheer kills a rival. We evaluate his situation, his intent, the victim's situation and intent, the local laws, his understanding of the local laws, "the bulk of the information required to determine whether a killing is lawful and whether it could have been reasonably understood to advance a chosen value system is contained not in the subject's mind but in his environment", that's from Hell vs. Izabetta, 2117. Second, jurisdictional overlap, other parts of the universe have their own gods and in some cases their own courts with remit over the souls of the dead -"

"Mhalir was subject to none of those," says the devil.

"If we interpret the law as suggesting that we have jurisdiction conditional on no one else having it, the court will have to do fact-finding on whether that's correct, fact-finding that in some cases the court lacks the resources to satisfactorily conduct, Axis vs Helen, -1820. If we interpret our jurisdiction narrowly, as existing not over the set of all worlds that we do not know to have another legal system but as existing over our own world only, then the court does not have to go try to figure out what other jurisdictions Mhalir may have at various points been subject to. Constraining those domains in which the court must conduct fact-finding to those in which the court has the capabilities to do it to consistent standards of accuracy is one of the primary justifications for jurisdiction, Axis vs Aspex, 4103."

"Axis vs Aspex considers statute of limitations, not spatial jurisdiction, and has historically been narrowly construed," says the whirling ball of gears. 

"Technically," says the angel, "there is not a meaningful difference between temporal and spatial limits to jurisdiction, when we're talking about other star systems."

" - that's persuasive, I'm concurring," says the whirling ball of gears.

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Mhalir is more able to track what's going on, now, having a visual helps, but he's also having trouble because he feels suddenly, overwhelming, scared and helpless and tired and sad. 

Trials are sometimes delayed in the case of an imminent anticipated resurrection but in this case there is no imminent anticipated resurrection.

He wants to ask how the fight went in Hell, if Aroden is alive, but he's also scared to know the answer. And he's not sure it'll help anything, here, that devil looks very upset and angry. Understandably so even if Aroden died seconds after he did and they lost the war with Asmodeus, because they had already melted the entire first circle of Hell and much of the second.

And it sort of doesn't matter who won, because he's not headed for Hell, anyway. Presumably he'll end up going to Abaddon, the Neutral Evil afterlife, and probably his soul will be eaten and he'll cease existing, and it won't matter at all what else happens in the rest of forever, because he's already lost. 

Mhalir misses Carissa. He wishes, desperately, that there had been time to - what, say goodbye? 

Vaguely he remembers that he might have said something, before, at some comparable point to this. 

This time he stays silent. 

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"Third point on jurisdiction, in general we find adult souls participating in large-scale warfare and conquest aware of, or culpably ignorant of, the existence of Good and Evil, and evaluate them on the grounds that they knew, or could have known, about the existence of the afterlife system. We've modified criminal procedures considerably based on this assumption, over the last ten thousand years, from a baseline where the existence of Good and Evil wasn't widely known, see Heaven vs. Celeolis, -6412 -"

"A nonstandard cite from eleven thousand years ago?" the devil snaps at her. 

"I have the transcript here if the court and arguers want to consult it."

The dignified man accepts a sheet of paper from her. So does the devil. 

The angel continues. "The evaluative standard for persons effecting large-scale change in the world presumes they 'knew or should have known' what Good and Evil are and what probable fate those they killed would face, Hell vs Lee, 3409. In order to conduct an evaluation of actions taken under the reasonable, defensible, justified and presumptively correct assumption that there was no Good and Evil and no afterlives -- from the perspective of a universe that does have them -- we would be "inventing a legal standard from a perspective we cannot reasonably inhabit", Hell vs Zhu, 2281."

"That's not a standard cite either."

The angel passes out more transcripts. 

"Do we have further contributions on jurisdiction," says the dignified man. 

"No, your honor," says the angel. 

"We concur," says the cat. 

"On the first point we hold that the bounds of our uncertainty do not cross the zero point," says the ball of gears, "and reasoning from the lower bound in that case is preferable to throwing the question out entirely.  We concur on the second point, disagree on the third, you can treat murder in a world without an afterlife as precisely equivalent to someone in our world who is trapping and destroying souls, for which there is an established evaluative framework -"

"And approximately eight different applicable principles of nonequivalence," says the cat. 

"I object on all three points," says the devil.

"Noted. I'm going to rule narrowly on jurisdiction, as Heaven proposed -- actions taken in worlds not causally entangled with ours, by agents not natively ours, spatially and temporally distant enough to inhibit serious fact-finding, are not under our jurisdiction, with no implied precedent should any of those conditions fail to hold."

"Fine," the devil said. "In that case, Mhalir's first action of interest to this court was appearing, from the ether, already in possession of a slave he was torturing, and kidnapping and enslaving twenty more people. Evil, several magnifiers present."

"Also several mitigating factors," says the cat. 

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Mhalir isn't sure if he's expected to say something here to defend himself.

He...doesn't feel very inclined to, right now. Arguably he should be trying very hard to - something - arguably this is one of the most critical and high-stakes moments of his, not life, of his death, deciding the fate of his soul... 

But he's very tired, in some deep way that has nothing to do with the physical body that he currently lacks, and it's hard to feel anything except helpless in the face of forces beyond his comprehension. 

He remembers that he was confused, and scared, and trying to make the right choices, but 'right' from a framework of wanting his people to win the war, and from an information state he very shortly later realized was incomplete. 

He waits to see if they're going to ask him any questions. 

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They take a while to get around to it. Another hour of arguing through everything that he did in Golarion, from first contact through teleporting himself and Carissa into vacuum while invading Hell. They seem to mostly know what he was thinking and what he was hoping for without having to ask him. 

"I have to say, I'm not seeing Law," the dignified man says, once they've gotten through the whole record. 

"We're fine with Neutral Good," says the angel. 

"We're fine with Neutral Evil," says the devil.

"Do you regret anything, Mhalir?" says the cat.

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"Yes." Mhalir regrets so many things; in this moment it feels like he regrets his entire life. All he ever wanted was to keep the promise he made to the stars, and he tried and failed to do that, over and over, and failed in ways that were far worse than if he had never tried at all. 

"I - regret Alloran. I knew I was wronging him very badly, I thought it was - a worthwhile tradeoff and - I was wrong. I regret not - noticing my confusion sooner," and he means in Golarion but he also means back in the Andalite war, noticing that his assumptions about his enemy were wrong.

"I - regret - that Seerow is dead..." That's not an action or decision he made, per se, even now he's not sure if there's anything he could have done then to turn history onto a different track, but he wishes so badly that he could instead have lived in the hypothetical world where Seerow never died. "I - I wish I had known sooner how to..."

Mhalir doesn't have words for the concept he means, it's all tangled together in his head, the things Iomedae said to him but he's not sure he understands them even now. He wanted to get an Atonement, he remembers, or was considering it, but probably that wouldn't even work when he doesn't understand Good, or what having allies means, or - something he can't even name because he doesn't understand it and he's too tired to try anymore. 

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"A lot of very bad mistakes, which he corrected course from, sometimes into other mistakes, but - always trying to save as many people as possible," says the cat. "Neutral Good."

"A lot of enslaving and kidnapping people, culminating in blowing up an entire plane to secure an alliance to win a war he knew by then he shouldn't be fighting," says the devil. 

"Fighting Evil is Good," says the angel. "Heaven vs Tarelet,1253."

"Murdering a bunch of people in their homes because they're Evil specifically isn't Good. Hell vs Leurdorfell, 2096," he snaps back. 

"The necessary conditions of Hell vs Leurdorfell were that the defendant did not have in mind a mechanism by which the killing would overall make the world a better place inclusive of its effects on those killed, was not acting in alignment with an organization that did have such a mechanism in mind, and had alternatives to bring about the aim he hoped to obtain by mass executions of orcs. In this case none of those hold."

"Hell vs Leurdorfell proposes a balancing test: how much Good achieved? How much harm done to achieve it? Mhalir did lots of harm with good aims in mind, but did he achieve any good at all? Ever? At any point? Would the settlement in Hell be less satisfactory to Good if he had stayed out of it? No Good achieved, then the other arms of the test aren't even relevant."

"Carissa's not in Hell, and otherwise would be, that's Good achieved, enough to consider the other provisions of Leurdorfell."

"She otherwise might not be dead. Killing someone who makes Heaven and might if killed at a different point in their life have gone to an Evil afterlife is not a Good act, Abaddon vs Xar, 2554." He holds his hands up to the sky, his tail twitching. "If he hasn't done anything at all that had Good effects, there's no balancing test."

"I concur," says the cat.

The angel raises an eyebrow. 

"I concur," says the ball of gears. 

"You're playing at something," the judge says irritably to the cat. 

"We argue," the cat says, "that Mhalir has in fact done something that has large Good effects, which is releasing Alloran in Nirvana."

"Manumission of a person you enslaved in the first place cannot grant you in the eyes of this court more credit than you lost for enslaving someone in the first place," the devil says automatically. "Boneyard vs Ket, and Abaddon vs Tarrenar, and Hell vs Dialis, and -"

"The enslaving him is not the remit of this court, the releasing him is," says the cat. 

"That's abusing the jurisdiction ruling," says the devil. 

"I am inclined to agree," says the judge. 

"- but regardless," says the cat, "I identified the action with large Good effects as releasing Alloran in Nirvana, not as releasing him generally. In releasing him in Nirvana, Mhalir took on considerable personal risk and expense in order to cause Alloran to be in a Good afterlife situation, in the hopes that this would make the world better, for example by Alloran realizing the war was unnecessary or being able to communicate with the Good gods."

"Which didn't happen," says the devil. 

"The general intended effect -- the release making the world much better -- did happen. The specific intended effect didn't, but intending one Good outcome and achieving a related one suffices, Nirvana vs Greer, 2280, which explicitly considers the relevance of a Good effect intended generally but not specifically to Leurdorfell."

"Not a standard cite."

"I have the transcripts. Also Nirvana vs Eluar, 2471, where it was concluded that the defendant merited partial credit for the Good done by his released slave since he had released the slave in the specific hope that his bravery and courage would inspire him to the defense of Taldor, and his bravery and courage instead inspired him to slay a dragon."

"Also not a standard cite."

She hands him some more paper. "And Nirvana vs Sidduo, 4520, which finds the defendant merits credit for paroling a criminal in the hope that he would be able to feed his indigent family before they starved, as even though the defendant was unable to do that, he became an adventurer, raised them, and founded a soup kitchen..."

"I have heard of none of these cases," the judge says irritably. 

"Your honor, Alloran designed us a computer system so we can search through all of the cases for which transcripts exist and automatically see the most relevant ones. I recognize that at the moment it presents a slight inconvenience to the court but it also means that research for trials can happen much faster, so there are fewer delays, and much more accurately, so that relevant precedents are respected and widely known. Nirvana and Heaven have been using it for cases since the Godwar began. I have the transcripts here for the cases I just referenced. They're good law. I'm not trying to sneak anything past you."

"We want access to that," the devil says. 

"Build your own," says the cat. "Your honor, I argue that Mhalir released Alloran to Nirvana believing that if he became Good it would make the universe a better place, and that happened, and I have 6,468 more cases like that if you want to satisfy yourself there's enough precedent for counting it -"

"I don't want 6,468 more cases like that."

"So - enough Good done, then, to consider the other provisions of Leurdorfell?"

"Let me read these."

"It's not a fair trial if you have access to those and we don't," says the devil. 

"The Lawful afterlives having a better lawyer training system than the chaotic ones does not make the trial system unfair, Pharasma vs Calistria," says the angel, "it's applicable - do you want a transcript."

"I know Pharasma vs Calistria and I'm damn glad you're missing your best friend's funeral, you sanctimonious feathered-"

"ORDER," says the judge. "I'm very sick of this. Fine. He did some Good, we look at Leurdorfell -"

"Had in mind a mechanism by which the killing would make the world a better place, working closely with Iomedae, lacked alternatives to bring about the desired end, inapplicable, we fall back on Tarelet," says the cat instantly. 

"I concur," says the whirring ball of gears.

 

 

 

 

 

 

The room gets fuzzy, and then the sensory input he's getting stops resolving as a room, and then it's very quiet.

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Mhalir - has very little idea what just happened. There was a lot of happening and it got very fast toward the end and then it stopped and -

...Your honor, I argue that Mhalir released Alloran to Nirvana believing that if he became Good it would make the universe a better place, and that happened...

In the midst of grey weariness, he feels a single note of satisfaction, that in the end, even if it wasn't a specific plan he carried out that achieved a particular goal, at least something worthwhile came out of this entire goddamned mess. 

- where is he - ? 

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He is a baby bird, in a nest, on a tree. The sky is blue. There is a gentle breeze. There is a mother bird, perched on the edge of the nest, looking out at the forest.

"Oh, hello," she says. "I'm Caroline. Nice to meet you - do you need anything -"

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Why is he a baby bird. Why is any of this happening. Mhalir would desperately like it if, at some point, things started making any kind of sense. 

At least this doesn't look like Abaddon, he thinks vaguely, not that he knows what Abaddon looks like.

"I am very confused," he says to Caroline. 

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"This is Nirvana. You are here because you died. Usually people can remember how they died, but not always; if you can't remember you shouldn't be too worried that anything is wrong with you. Your mind should work the right way here but the getting-here can be a little sketchy. After you died, there would have been a trial, but people typically remember fairly little of their trial. My understanding is that when you don't have a body they have to do magic just to be able to interact with you, and they don't have a good way to help you form long-term memories or retain the structure to interpret the memories you do have."

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"That makes sense. I - do remember how I died."

(A Dimension Door into hard vacuum, and in Carissa's final conscious moments he said - something - to her, he doesn't remember what and maybe he'll never know, and slipped out of her head, on the general principle that the devil might try to pull her back into the ship, or retrieve her body to raise her, and it was strategically preferable for him not to get Mhalir too in that case, even though more than anything in the world he hadn't wanted to die alone...) 

He remembers a few fragments, he thinks. He remembers something that made him feel pleased and proud, if only for an instant. 

"...I was Neutral Evil," he says, finally. "I would not have thought I should end up here?" 

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"Everyone has lots of different instincts in them, some Good and some Evil and some Law and some Chaos, and Nirvana goes to trial for all of them, on the principle that the Good is the part of them they'd choose, if they really got a chance to."

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"Oh." 

It's sinking in, now, that he's dead - must have been dead a while, for the trial to be over - and no one has raised him.

Also he's in Nirvana, which means that theoretically he could run into Alloran by accident. That sounds like the most awkward thing in the world and he really hopes Nirvana is very big - it must be - or has some sort of special magic to conveniently prevent things like that. 

"Did - are you allowed - can you tell me if Aroden lost the war?" 

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"We don't know exactly what's going on in the other planes. Some people went off to fight and they're mostly not back yet. That probably means it's not over but it could mean it's over and none of them will be coming back, or that it's over but there's lots of humanitarian work to do in the Material Plane which they stayed for."

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"How long has it been." 

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"About a month."

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"Oh." That's even longer than he had expected, and - not a good sign, though he's not sure what he had been expecting, there wasn't time to form predictions. 

"Can I - is it possible to talk to people in other afterlives? I - my friend..." 'Friend' doesn't seem like the right word for what Carissa is to him, but 'host' will just be confusing to this person, probably, and besides it doesn't feel right either, or at least not complete, it puts Carissa in the same category as Alloran with no distinguishing markers. 

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"You can learn to do magic, and then magic can be used for interplanar communications, though it's tiring and hard. Or you can try to find someone who knows how to do that and ask them to send a message for you."

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"Oh." 

 

 

 

 

 

"Is there - any way I can get to the material plane, to - see if they need help there..."

It takes a great deal of effort to ask because Mhalir finds that he very, very badly doesn't want to do that. He has to, of course, the stakes are high enough, but he's so tired, and some part of him is frantically hoping that this is impossible or not allowed. 

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"Eventually that too can be learned with magic. I think - it might be a good idea for you to take a few years before you worry about any of that."

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That should be a relief and it is one and so Mhalir isn't sure why it also hurts so much. Maybe because it feels like otherwise they expect him to just keep breaking things in his attempts to help? 

- except there's something he was happy about, and it's very frustrating how hard it is to remember anything from the trial. It wasn't the verdict that he would go to Nirvana, he didn't know that was where he was until Caroline said something. It was...something had helped - something he did, not with precise aims, with remembered confusion and pain and falling through the pieces of a worldview that no longer fit together...

He thinks maybe it had to do with Alloran, but he can't retrieve anything else. 

"What am I supposed to do for a few years except worry about that," he half-snaps at Caroline. 

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"...you're supposed to heal. That is what Nirvana is for. Healing."

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...He knew that, it's what the cleric of Sarenrae said to him, but it was just words and it's still just words and he doesn't know what it means, in practice. 

He remembers a fragment of conversation with the cleric. 

What would your god's philosophy advise me to do, in this situation.

     Ask for help. If your people are in danger the Good gods will help you willingly.

If there is help to be had then I want it but I do not understand why your goddess would offer it to us.

     Well, we have one word on the subject so far, and it is 'Nirvana is for everyone', which seems promising."

I do not understand how that is a goal or motivation. 
 
     ...I don't think it's hard to understand at all! She saw this unholy wasteful tragic mess and she said 'hey, all of you ought to be safe forever and rest and have time to stop hurting each other!'

He remembers the cleric talking to Alloran. Finding out facts about his life that Mhalir had never known despite spending fifteen years in Alloran's head, because he never looked. 

He left Alloran in Nirvana even though it was tactically stupid - and in fact got him found out and Carissa captured, which ended up being fine because it was by Aroden but they couldn't have known that at the time so it was still stupid - but he did it anyway because he wanted Alloran to be all right. Because however little he understood about Good at the time, it feels like so long ago, he expected they would take good care of Alloran. That they would try to explain to him what Good was. 

He remembers thinking that maybe the Good gods couldn't answer Alloran's prayers, at the start, because he didn't understand Good well enough, and that if he ever did come to understand that, he wouldn't want there to be a war, anymore, he would want the Andalites and Yeerks to be able to coexist peacefully - that he too would see it as an unholy wasteful tragic mess, and just want it to be over...

All of that is a digression from Caroline's words to him, because apparently those were very uncomfortable. 

"I do not think I understand what that means," he says, flatly. "I want to go back and fix things, I made a promise, and I cannot do that from here, and so I am not sure what is the point of anything that happens." 

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"Part of fixing things is understanding what they look like when they are whole. I think it will make you better at fixing things, if you know what it is like when things are all right and the background conditions of the world are not causing great harm to everyone around on an ongoing basis."

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All right, fine, that's a not-unreasonable point. 

Mhalir is still for a while, absorbing it. 

"I want to try to find someone who can send a message to Carissa," he says finally.

(He wants Carissa to be here, he misses her very badly, but that is probably not achievable– he's suddenly scared that she might have somehow gone to Hell, despite her Atonement, and also somehow before it was fully melted, and then what if she got slagged to ash and nothing along with the rest of the souls they murdered horribly... Probably that hasn't happened but he's not sure.) 

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"That makes sense. Can you spread your wings?"

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He tries this. 

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"Hmm, okay. I think you can't fly very far right now but if you practice, maybe by the end of the day, and then you can try to find someone who has a communications-spell."

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He's morphed birds so many times in Alloran's body, surely he can figure out how to fly. It's very irritating that he's specifically a baby bird, though, and it doesn't seem like he can change this by thinking about it very hard, even though presumably his having a body at all is magic. 

Mhalir inches out to the edge of the nest, spreads his wings again, and peers over the edge. 

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It is a lush forest of some kind. "We call it Summerfall," Caroline says. "All of the fruits and seeds are good to eat. You shouldn't try to eat the animals, they're people - it won't work but it'd be startling and rude."

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"I will not try to eat the animals," Mhalir tells her, and he launches himself off the lip of the nest and tries to fly. 

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His baby bird wings are weak and his feathers are limp but he manages to glide to the ground reasonably gracefully. It's soft. 

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He looks back up at the nest, considering whether it's even possible for him to make it back up there. It seems like a lot of work, and it won't get him much closer to getting a message to Carissa or affecting the material plane in any way, so maybe instead he'll just flop here for a while. 

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"You all right?" Caroline calls down.

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Some part of him is briefly tempted to yell at her to go away and leave him alone, but this wouldn't help with anything. "I am not sure how to get back up," he admits. 

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She lands next to him. "Why do you think you are a baby bird?"

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"I assume because you are trying to make it so I cannot leave." He's getting very annoyed with it. 

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"I did not make you a baby bird. Nirvana did, because it thought that it was the best way for you to learn the first thing that you need to learn here."

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"My understanding was that Nirvana is just a place, how does it have thoughts." 

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"Nirvana does things that cause the people there to heal, and when it does things it is usually because they'll cause the people there to heal. I don't know what the underlying process feels like from the inside but it is easiest to imagine by imagining a person who really wants us all to heal but can only do environmental things to achieve this."

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What a weird concept. Mhalir kind of hates it, right now, although possibly it's just the being dead that he hates, and Nirvana in the abstract is fine. 

"Well, it seems like Nirvana thinks that I need to feel helpless," he mutters, more at his surroundings than directed to Caroline, "and maybe it has not considered that I am very tired of that and would really prefer anything else." 

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"Do you want to talk about that or should I leave you alone for a little while and go get some food for us."

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The question is incredibly frustrating, mostly because he's in a mood where everything is incredibly frustrating. "You can get us some food," Mhalir says. He will sit here on the forest floor being a baby bird. Probably nothing will eat him because all the animals here are people. 

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She flies off. It is quiet. A caterpillar clings to a leaf, right near him.

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It takes Mhalir a few minutes before the quiet peacefulness of the forest soaks in and the frustration subsides enough for him to remember that probably the caterpillar is a person too. 

Which doesn't mean he wants to talk to it, of course, but eventually he's very bored. "Hello?" he says cautiously. 

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"Hello," it says agreeably. "I can't see you, who's there?"

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"Oh, do caterpillars not have eyes? My name is Mhalir. Right now I am a baby bird for some reason." 

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"My name is Thalie. I have eyes but they're awfully unhelpful." She nibbles the leaf she is on. "I haven't done a baby bird. Did you hatch?"

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"- Not that I remember, I just woke up like that a few minutes ago. I - have not been in Nirvana very long. Have you had many different bodies here?" 

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"Yeah. I started out as a lion, I think because I needed to check what would happen if I ran around biting everybody. It turns out what happens if you do that is you have no friends, eventually. So I did an antelope, to have a herd, and then a kind of fish that moves in schools, and then a starling with a flock, and then I felt like I'd explored that so I did a rockeating dog and dug a cave, for some friends I'd made to live in as bears, and I spent a while being a bear with them, and then I started going for beetles, bats, deep ocean squid, things with weird senses, and eventually I decided to try a caterpillar. It helps with - noticing what you care about and what you don't really care about and what caring about it feels like in your body."

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Mhalir has morphed lots of animals with weird senses and wouldn't have said it helped him notice what he did and didn't care about, although in general he doesn't think he's been that confused around what he cares about? Confused in how to achieve it, sure, that seems different. Having no friends seems to him like an extremely predictable consequence of biting everybody, even here where it seems like they try incredibly hard to be welcoming and forgiving, he's not sure why Thalie was confused about that. 

"Can you decide to be different shapes after a while, then?" he asks her. "I tried to change myself into an adult bird instead but it did not work." 

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"Yeah. It works a bit differently for different people but for me I have to - understand myself, and what I want, and what I'm curious about, and think about how my curiosity and my interests are best realized by a different shape, and it takes a couple of days, sometimes, but eventually it clicks. I know someone who said that for her, she just has to retreat to a sense of - security in herself, the sense that she's not under threat, and then imagine her limbs, but it took her a hundred years the first time because she was always always scared. And I know someone who has to study an animal for months before they can shift into it. And I know someone who was able to shift easily from their first day. In general it gets easier over time because hopefully over time you are learning about what you need and what's good for you and what kinds of worlds support you and which don't, and that's - generally related, to shifting forms, knowing that stuff."

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"That seems very unfair," Mhalir says before he can stop himself. It seems so stupid, if he can't think himself into a less vulnerable form because he's scared and feels helpless. 

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"Hmmm, say more about that?"

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"That Nirvana will - punish you, for feeling threatened? I really do not need to learn what it is like to be in a body that is small and helpless, I know all about that already." 

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"How would you make it work, if you were deciding how it worked?"

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"...I am not sure, it is probably complicated with many factors, I just..."

He trails off, yet again he's run out of words. "Do you know anybody who can do a Sending?" he asks instead. "I want to get a message to my - friend - who I think is in a different afterlife." 

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"Oh! I can do that."

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"- Can you? I would be very grateful. Her name is Carissa Sevar. I am not sure where she is, but she read Lawful Neutral before we died, so - probably Axis. Maybe Heaven." He still doesn't really understand why he's here instead of in Abaddon, but maybe fighting Hell is just inherently the sort of thing that gets one sorted Good. 

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"What do you want to say to her? I can only hold it for a couple of minutes."

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"I...want to say..." This is surprisingly hard. "That the message is from Mhalir, that I am in Nirvana and - all right. That I am very sorry for being stupid and getting us killed, and I miss her." 

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The caterpillar - does something magic. He can see it, just as clearly as if Carissa had Detect Magic up. It's not much like the human Sending spell. 

"The message is from Mhalir," the caterpillar says. "I am in Nirvana and all right. I am very sorry for being stupid and getting us killed, and I miss her."

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"- oh," says a startled voice. "That's - good, thank you. Tell him I'm glad he's all right."

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"- Can you ask her where she is? And if she has any news of the war?" 

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"He wants to know where you are, and whether you have any news of the war."

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" - Heaven. And - yes, but I shouldn't - to a random Sending - I don't really know what's common knowledge where -"

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This is somehow the most frustrating and upsetting piece yet. That Carissa has a chance to be involved, to do something, and Mhalir doesn't, because instead he's busy being a stupid helpless baby bird. 

"I understand," he says, flatly. "Carissa, I -" None of the words he has are the right ones; it's so much harder to communicate across the gulf between afterlives when he's used to being in her head. "Take care," he finishes, and turns away in a pointless attempt to hide that he's upset. 

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The caterpillar lets the spell drop. "I'm sorry," she says quietly after a minute.

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There's no good response to that. "Thank you for doing the spell for me. I - am going to go walk around that way."

It's not exactly true that he wants to be alone, he's desperately, crushingly lonely, but talking to Thalie is only making that worse right now, and it seems rude to ask her to go away when she's a caterpillar and not as well equipped with legs as he is. 

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She goes back to chomping on her leaf.

The forest is otherwise quiet. There's a stream, and in the distance a deer drinking from it.

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Mhalir toddles over to the stream on his baby-bird legs and looks out at the water. The stream looks very wide and very fast, from this angle and this body. He wonders what would happen if he tried to cross it. Probably he would just start drowning because baby birds can't swim, and then someone would fish him out and he would have to talk to them. 

He closes his eyes and curls up, tucking his head into his feathers.

Mhalir has no idea if it'll work here, or work for him at all, but he tries praying to Iomedae. He remembers the words her cleric said to him, it feels like such a long time ago.

Do you want to fight for Good, forever, with people who are also fighting for that?

Yes, he thinks, I want that, I have always wanted that, and I am stuck here now but please, I want to know if there is anything I can do to help. 

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She does not answer him. 

 

 

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This doesn't necessarily mean that she's choosing not to answer him because he doesn't matter anymore, Mhalir reminds  himself. Maybe he still isn't close enough to Lawful Good, or maybe She can only hear, or is only allowed to answer, the prayers of dead people in Heaven and not in other afterlives, or maybe she's just very very very busy. 

(- or maybe she's dead - no, surely something in Carissa's manner would have showed that...) 

Mhalir stays on the riverbank, aware that sitting here being miserable is not accomplishing any of his goals, but it's not like he has any options left to affect the war, right now. And, separate from the frustration, there's something restful in that. He's very tired. 

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Some frogs burble in the creek. The sky dims into a beautiful not-exactly-sunset and some flowers bloom. Eventually Caroline flies by overhead and lands in the nest she left from.

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He's kind of hungry, and has been alone for long enough that instead being lonely-with-a-random-person sounds better rather than worse than being lonely-by-himself, and the nest would be more comfortable than the riverbank. Maybe he'll see if he can manage to fly up to it now. Mhalir hops to the top of a little hillock, and attempts to leap from it and beat his wings hard enough to fly upward instead of just gliding downward.

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This works! It's exhausting but he can get enough altitude to make it to the nest. 

"That was fast," she says cheerfully, and picks up a large seed in her beak to offer him.

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"Thank you." He accepts the seed and nibbles it. "I met a caterpillar named Thalie and she sent a message to my friend," he says, once he's done with the seed. "She is in Heaven." He leaves out the part where she has news about the war and won't tell him, because he'll just get upset again. 

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She nods. "I have a daughter in Heaven. It feels very - pointlessly tragic, that it is so much effort to see each other."

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He bows his head. "It does. Carissa is - was - a wizard though, she is probably already learning the kind of magic that works here." Unlike him, she's not pointlessly stuck being a baby bird that can't do things. 

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"They have a century-long integration and training program that turns you into whatever kind of angel you're suited for. - you don't have to do that. You're allowed to rest, or study, there too. But it's the - default."

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"Mmm." Mhalir is trying to decide if he would like that better. On some level it would feel less like being dead meant losing all avenues to affect the wider world. It also sounds exhausting. 

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She offers him another seed. "In Nirvana the gods believe that - the universe is very old, and will last a very long time, and it needs a lot of things other than soldiers."

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"Even armies need a lot of things other than soldiers," Mhalir acknowledges. "Though - I am not sure how suited I am to doing anything other than leading a war." It's encompassed so much of his life, at least the part of it not confined to his Yeerk pool and the walking range of a Gedd host. 

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"Because you've never done anything else?"

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"...Little else. I did not want that to be the world - I wish..." 

He wants Seerow to not be dead, and he doesn't even know where to start explaining the context there. 

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"There is a lot of work to do in the world that isn't war. And - even if you end up deciding that war is the thing you are best suited for, I think people are more competent generally, when they can see more angles on things."

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Mhalir doesn't even disagree. He can see, now, how having too-narrow angles on things was upstream of so many of his mistakes, before. Somehow this isn't helping with being less frustrated, though. 

It would be easier if he knew, he thinks, even if he were unable to affect things for a long time. Not knowing is the awful part. 

"- There is something I am trying to remember," he says. "It was during my trial, I think. I learned something and I was happy about it, I remember thinking at least one good thing had come of my being in Golarion. I think I would be less frustrated about things if I could remember it. I - am fairly sure it had to do with someone who I brought to Nirvana six months before the war started, I - I had done very bad things to him - he was Evil, and I thought if he could be here maybe he would learn how to be Good, and that would be better for the world... I think what I learned had to do with that? I should not look for him, he would find it upsetting and might try to murder me, but I wish I knew." 

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"Do you want me to go ask around? I couldn't share anything he didn't want shared but if he's doing something or building something someone might know about it."

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"Yes, I would appreciate that. His name is Alloran, if that helps." 

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She nods. "I don't like to fly at night but I can go talk to people in the morning." And she settles herself in the nest and extends a wing so as to suggest he could sleep under it, if he wanted.

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Mhalir has very confusing feelings about the prospect of sleeping under the wing of someone he just met - and it being probably A Metaphor For Something - but one of the feelings he has is that it sounds nice, and sleeping seems hard. 

He wriggles up under Caroline's wing. 

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It is warm and fluffy. Her breathing is very even. 

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He closes his eyes and tries to sleep instead of being formlessly sad about the world, since the latter isn't accomplishing anything. 

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In the morning everything is covered in a thin layer of dew, and the sky is pink and gold, and birds are singing. Caroline does not join them until it's clear Mhalir is awake but then joins with fervor.

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It's nice. Mhalir decides that he can notice it's nice without deciding he's fine with being dead and the overall state of the world and the fact that Iomedae won't answer his prayers and Carissa won't tell him what's happening. 

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"I am looking to learn about Alloran and what he has been doing?" Caroline asks.

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"- Yes. Please." He had almost forgotten about that. 

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She heads off. "I'll try to be back by midday. You can shout, if you get yourself into a situation you need help getting out of."

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"All right." 

Mhalir sits in the nest for a bit, watching the sky until the sun is fully up and the sky is bright blue again. He wonders if it ever rains here. 

Eventually he decides to fly down and look for seeds. ...And maybe fly up a bit first, see if he can reach the treetops or higher. He hops to the edge of the nest again, and hesitates only a moment before leaping out and flapping as hard as he can. 

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It works! The breeze seems to be helping, and now he's above the treehouse, tiring quickly but definitely gaining altitude. He's in an unimaginably vast mountain valley with tall purple peaks in the distance on two sides, and the sea in another direction. There's fog everywhere, but it's starting to burn off in the morning light.

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It's beautiful. 

Mhalir stubbornly keeps flapping, trying to get higher, and eventually has to admit exhaustion and - all right this was maybe not very well thought out as a plan. Maybe he can just glide down? 

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He glides down pretty sharply and lands in some tall grass with a thump but no real injuries. 

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Well, that could have gone worse. He rests for a bit and then hops in what he thinks is the direction of the stream; he can't see very far due to the tall grass. 

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Helpfully, the stream is noisy; he can reach the edge of it pretty quickly. A raccoon is drinking from it.

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Mhalir is thirsty after the flight, and hops down to drink as well, then looks at the raccoon. "Hello?" he says after a moment. 

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The raccoon startles slightly. "- hi. Uh, hello. I didn't realize we could - talk."

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"Oh, are you new here as well?" Mhalir frowns - or tries, he has no idea how this ends up working on a baby bird face. Or how it works that he can interpret the other animals' expressions and body language, come to think of it. "Did you wake up alone?" 

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" - there were some other animals around - are they all people? - but I wasn't really in the mood to be around anyone, so I ran off. About... a week ago, I think. Eventually decided I should - stop that."

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"I was informed they are all people, in the context of warning me it would be very rude if I tried to eat them. My name is Mhalir. ...If you would prefer not to talk I will be quiet." 

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"Nah. I don't think you're supposed to spend the afterlife being a hermit. Just - wasn't ready, you know?"

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"I know." He ducks his head. "- Do you have any questions? Not that I have been here very long, so I may not know the answers." 

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"We're - in Nirvana, right?"

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"Yes. I was told that the initial shape we take here is based on what Nirvana thinks we need - it is somehow sort of intelligent in that way. Also I was told it is normal to have trouble remembering how you got here." 

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"Well, some bastard stabbed me with a greatsword, I'm clear on that part. I just -" Shrug. "I wish we could go back."

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"I know. So do I." He doesn't say anything about his hopes that someone will raise him eventually; it seems cruel, and besides, he's less and less sure as time passes that this is ever going to happen. 

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"How long have you been here?"

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"A day, I think? But I think I died a month ago, so the trial and sorting must have taken a long time." He shrugs with one wing. "I was not expecting to end up here." 

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"Well, you never really know, right. I don't - I wouldn't rather be elsewhere except for how I'd rather be home."

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"Mmm. I - think here is fine, if I have to be dead." He scuffs at the riverbank with his claws. "I - you do not have to talk about it, if it is upsetting, but I am curious if you know much of what was happening in the material plane when you died. At the point when I died, I was not aware of any violence there yet." 

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" - oh. There's a war. Cheliax invaded Rahadoum and Rahadoum turned out to have a massive army in preparation for this and we were - helping them, right, no one deserves Chelish rule- and Aroden's back, or people were saying so - and also there's been awful thunderstorms out of nowhere, tsunamis, stuff like that, because the gods are fighting -"

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"- I suppose that is not surprising. Aroden is back, that part is true - not as a god, he came back as a human somehow, he was undercover as the leader of Rahadoum but then Asmodeus found out." He hesitates. "Where are you from?" 

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"Andoran."

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Nod. "Thank you for telling me. It was stressful, not knowing anything about what was happening in the world." 

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"Yeah." He paws at the water. "Why a raccoon. What is that a metaphor for."

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"If you figure it out you should tell me! I am still not sure what Nirvana wants out of making me a baby bird." 

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"I'd take a bird over a raccoon! You can fly, I assume?"

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"A bit. Not very well. I hope I will get better at it with practice." He's trying to think what raccoons are good at. "- You have hands, at least more than I do? You are less tiny and so could carry bigger things if you needed to." 

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"...I guess." He frowns at his hands. "I can't really think what would need carrying." He dips his hand in the river, comes up with a handful of pebbles. One of which shows up to Detect Magic as having some kind of faint evocation aura. He sighs disgustedly at them and drops them back into the water.

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Mhalir kind of wants a closer look at it, but not enough to go swimming for it. 

"I am going to go look for seeds to eat," he says to the raccoon. "All the plants here are edible, by the way." 

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"I guess that's nice. See you!"

 

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Mhalir goes back to wandering around. He wonders what Carissa is doing right now. If she's still miserable about what happened to Hell and Cheliax. It's not like there's much he could say or do to comfort her about it, but he still wishes he could be there

He finds some seeds and eats them. 

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Caroline returns only about an hour after she left.

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Mhalir flies up to join her at the nest. It's still tiring but maybe a little less than before. He waits, suddenly and mysteriously unable to make himself ask

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"It didn't take very long because lots of people have heard of him," she says. "I have a friend who does trials -we send someone to every trial, to try to argue they should get Nirvana. He's been helping with that. I - didn't understand the details but I can repeat them to you in case they make more sense to you?"

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He nods hopefully. 

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"There have been about thirty billion trials. They have transcripts of all of them. They have a big library of them, because you can use the judgment in any trial as an argument for a similar situation. But you can't possibly keep track of that many, even with magic, so they mostly have people review cases and find good examples to illustrate various situations that come up a lot and then most of them are forgotten. Alloran built them," a confused fluttering of wings, "a ...search...engine?"

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"Oh! Yes, I know what that is - it is exactly what you would want for finding particular cases out of thirty billion." What an incredible number. "Implementing the system would be a major production, I am surprised if it was done so fast, but I suppose maybe some if it could have been done with magic..."

Mhalir is suddenly so curious to hear all of the details. And probably won't have a chance, because why would he. Also he's near to bursting with half a dozen different shades of emotion, pride and relief and obscure regret and others even harder to name. He curls up against the bottom of the nest. 

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"Do you want me to ask if you can drop by to learn more?"

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He does and also the prospect is nerve-wracking; he has to assume that anyone who's interacted with Alloran has heard how Evil he is. "Yes." 

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"They were really happy about it. They said it makes it go way faster, to prepare for court, they can make a stronger case and it's easier to keep up with the caseload and they might not be desperate for personnel, after the current surge is over. They're always desperate for personnel."

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"I am not surprised, that is a lot of trials. The current surge is - because of the war?" He shivers a little. Some part of him wants to apologize for it but that's kind of stupid on multiple levels. 

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"Yeah. I think it's really bad, out there. Lots of new people." 

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He wants it to not be happening, and he has no levers left to touch the situation - at most, he theoretically has the ability to help a little in Nirvana, greeting the newly dead people. 

Mhalir curls up into a small tight ball, tucking his head into his feathers again, this is probably rude but right now it's very hard to care. 

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She doesn't seem bothered. She takes off a few minutes later. "I'll ask if they'll have you over," she says as she leaves.

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Mhalir doesn't manage to speak, even to thank her. He stays curled up in the nest and does not, currently, feel inclined to ever leave. It feels safe, here, which is a mostly-unfamiliar feeling to him, and he doesn't really trust it, but he can still appreciate it a little. 

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She is gone longer this time. The not-sun gets high in the sky. There's a light afternoon rainshower. She comes back as it's ending. 

"You are welcome if you'd like to go," she says. "The nearest lawyer training site has a thing for the search engine and they're showing it off in the hopes of getting more people interested in being lawyers."

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"- Thank you. Maybe I will go later." Given the givens, one of his better options here is to offer to train as a lawyer, except probably that takes a long time and he won't be much use during the war, and also it sounds exhausting. 

He curls up again. 

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"There is no hurry," she says, watching him concernedly and putting a wing over him for protection from the rain. "You are very badly injured. You will need lots of time to recover."

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"I do not think I am injured?" 

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"Your -" flutter - "soul, not your body. It is injurious to the soul, to live in a world with so many terrible things in it."

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He's not sure what to say to that. Empirically, it does seem like he's been - behaving in ways that don't not look like some kind of metaphorical injury. He wishes he could stop doing that. It was easier to just - do the sensible thing and not wallow in the terribleness of the world, when there were urgent problems to solve. Which there are. He's just stuck here, dead, small and nearly helpless and pinned down with weariness. 

He stays under Caroline's wing. That one part is sort of nice. 

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"Do you want to learn birdsongs?"

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"...All right, sure." 

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Then she will teach him some birdsongs! Birds do not sing with the same voices they speak in; their speech sounds ordinary and human but their birdsongs sound like they come from birds.

 

"Where're you from?" she asks, once they've sung for a while.

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Learning birdsongs is surprisingly pleasant and relaxing. 

"I am from another world," he says. "A different one from where Alloran is from, but nearer to it than either is to Golarion. I - our worlds were at war, before. I had almost finalized the peace agreements but then the attack on Hell went badly and I died. I very much hope the peace between our peoples worked out." Sigh. "I suppose I cannot do anything to affect it now." 

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"That sounds like it might be difficult, or upsetting..."

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"Obviously it is upsetting! I want - I had a responsibility to my people and I cannot do anything and I thought that Aroden would raise us but now I am not sure if something went very badly wrong such that he cannot or if he does not even care!" 

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"It seems like both of those possibilities would be really scary!"

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"Yes. And Carissa is in Heaven and she - knows something, about the war, but she said she could not tell me in response to a random Sending..." 

He misses her so much. 

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"Tell me about her?"

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He's not sure why she's asking, but sure, he can do that. "She is very clever, and - ruthless, in her own way, she knows how to achieve goals. She was a wizard in Cheliax. She– it taught her to keep herself so small... Then my ship arrived in the Golarion star system and I - kidnapped her." He feels a bit - he can't say he regrets it but he feels sheepish about it, or something. "And proposed a collaboration, which she accepted - it was very mercenary, at the start, I bribed her with large quantities of spellsilver since we can mine it from asteroids..." 

He can say a lot of things about Carissa. How she was starting to learn not to be so small, to stretch out and grow into the brilliant ambitious person whose shape he could almost see as an invisible negative space around her - how upset she was about the war against Hell... How they got along, how she kept thinking he was nice and considerate and even charming... 

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"And she's in Heaven now?"

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"Yes. She got an Atonement to Lawful Neutral, I thought she would go to Axis, but maybe allying with Iomedae to fight Hell is enough to have one sorted as Good..." Shrug. "I did not expect to be sorted here. I read as Neutral Evil before." 

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"Our reading in life is based on everything we did, and how we related to it as we did it. If you - go back, and change how you relate to your past actions - it can fail to reflect that. And of course  in Nirvana we bend the rules to try to grab everyone we can."

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"I noticed. There is a reason I brought Alloran here instead of anywhere else." 

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"What is he like?"

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...That question is much much harder to answer. Mhalir hesitates for a while, shaping his thoughts. 

"He is - like me, I think, in many ways. He is very competent, he will be ruthless when needed to achieve his goals. I - thought of him as rigid, before, but I - enslaved and tortured him so I could wear his body, for many years, and I think that was not the ideal circumstances under which to get to know him at his best. I thought he wanted all of my people dead, but this is rather understandable on his part. He murdered a planet of innocent people rather than let us win there, I thought in monstrous at the time, but under his ethical system I think it does make some sense..."  

He recounts the pieces he remembers from the conversations he let Alloran have, with Carissa and with the cleric of Sarenrae. 

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"It - sounds like it is good that he came here eventually."

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"I think so. I - am very glad of it, I wanted...." He trails off, running out of words again. "I am still not sure why I did it. It was tactically stupid. I - was so confused - I wanted to achieve something and I am still not sure what it was and I am not sure it counts for anything much if good came of this by accident..." 

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"What're you confused about?"

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"What Good is. If - if it is even real, if the things people say are - reflected meaningfully in what actually happens... Also what it means that Nefreti Clepati said I was the same shape of person as Malduoni, who I later found out was literally Aroden, I am very confused about that, but it is a separate thing." 

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"I don't think there is a - pure pillar of Good somewhere to consult about anything. The courts decide how people sort, and Detect Alignment approximates the same thing with a little less nuance. There are people trying to make things better, and I think many of them are trying very hard. - I haven't heard of that second thing."

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Nod. He hadn't really been expecting answers. "Do you - trust - the Good gods?" He isn't sure 'trust' is the right word or concept, here, he's grasping at something that still doesn't quite hold together for him. 

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" - I expect that we'll get people to every trial and that everyone who comes to Nirvana will be okay eventually even if it takes them a long time? I - don't think they lie to people. What does trust mean to you?"

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He considers that for a while. 

"If I were to make plans based on - taking their claims about Good and its motivations at face value - would my plans work." 

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" - I think that depends a little bit on how good you are at planning. But there isn't a different account of their motivations and values than the ones they give which would be better to use for planning."

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"Really? My experience is that people very rarely say the thing they actually mean and I had not expected gods would necessarily differ on this." 

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"I think people on the Material Plane are often very bad at knowing what they really want and don't see much reason to try to make themselves really and truly understood to other people. Because things are very very bad, on the Material Plane."

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"And you think things are, in fact, less bad here." It's what everyone has been saying this entire time and it still feels very hard to believe. 

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" - here in Nirvana? Everything is lovely here in Nirvana. The problem is the entire rest of the universe!"

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" - it's not your problem right now," she says uncertainly after a little while. "You will have the chance to do things once you've taken a little time to heal and recover, and you'll be stronger for it."

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He shivers. "I - am scared there is not going to be time for that. If Aroden loses the war." 

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"I very much hope that the forces of Good win the war. But there will be time for growing and getting stronger even if they lose. Nirvana is not finite, like Hell. It cannot be destroyed. No matter what happens in this war, there will be more to do, and we will keep trying to grow into people who can do it."

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He should go back. 

He's not even sure how that would work but he should be - talking to everyone he can, finding someone who can cast Plane Shift, someone he can bribe, someone who can get a message to Aroden or Iomedae or anyone left alive... 

It's definitely a 'should', though, and not a 'want', and that fact is interesting in itself, right, that isn't the way he thinks, it feels like a deeply alien way to be relating to his goals and plans.

He wants everyone to be all right but it would be very convenient if, in fact, for a while it could stop being on him to make that happen. 

"I - am confused," he says eventually. "I do not understand my feelings about - the current situation." 

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"Are you confused about what feelings you're having? Why you're having them?"

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"- Both, maybe? I was noticing that maybe it was easier to - only have the feelings I endorsed having, that were useful, when there was an emergency that needed dealing with. Although, I think this is not completely new... Before, when Carissa and I were both sharing her body, we remarked that it seemed concerning how frequently neither of us wanted to be in control for the next thing, and that was a new problem to have, for me, it was very mysterious. And now... I - keep expecting that I would want to go back, and I am not sure that I actually do, and - I felt as though I should want to go visit where they have Alloran's search engine, but I did not actually want to go, which was very strange." 

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"I think you are very traumatized, and you need some time to recover before you can do things without hurting yourself further."

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"That seems very stupid and I wish I could decide to not do that." 

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"It makes sense that you would feel - resentful of yourself for being traumatized, or angry with yourself, or disappointed with yourself, if it feels like that is getting in the way of doing important things."

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He thinks about that. "I do not think I feel any of those ways? That would not help either. I, just - I keep being surprised, and trying to - decide to do something else more productive, and usually that works but I think maybe it usually working was contingent on there being an emergency and my having - actual power to do things about it - and when I do not have that, I - I feel..." 

The thing he feels is incredibly scared and also this is getting in the way of saying words again, which is very obnoxious of it really. 

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He wants to not be scared. This seems like a reasonable and straightforward thing to want and also completely impossible and possibly incoherent as a concept. He can curl up under Caroline's wing, though, and this isn't the same thing as being safe or not being scared but at least it's a thing he can have

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Caroline goes back to birdsong, once he has gone a little while without saying anything. The sun sets.

 

A very magical flock of bats wheels across the sky.

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They're pretty. 

"Why were you here when I woke up here?" Mhalir asks her eventually, because he sort of took it for granted at the time but he doesn't actually know. 

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"I decided I wanted to help someone adjust, so I made a nest. I figured someone would show up in it, when the right person was sorted here."

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"Oh. That is kind of you." 

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"You showed up much sooner than I expected! Sometimes people wait for months. Years, if they're difficult to get along with, or thinking about helping someone adjust in a way that's going to take an unusually good match in order to work out at all."

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"Well, I heard that a lot of people are dying right now." He wishes it felt less like this was his fault for not doing something cleverer at some point, he doesn't know what. 

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"Yes. Once you fly the nest I might do it again, it's been really nice and it's an unusually valuable time to do it, I think."

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"Mmm." He wonders how long she expects him to stay in the nest, but doesn't ask, because it feels like the answer will probably somehow be upsetting from both directions at once. 

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She watches the bats and does not say anything.

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"Is there standard advice for how to be less traumatized so I can do things." 

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"Different things work for different people. Often it's helpful to talk about the things that happened to you. Often it's helpful to give yourself some time when you aren't trying to achieve anything or do anything, and see how you feel and what feels appealing or interesting. Often it's helpful to do physical activity - flying, or swimming, or hiking. Singing. Some people go to see specialists, who have particular experience helping others with trauma recovery."

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"Singing was nice," he agrees vaguely. "I - am not sure what it even means to find things appealing if I am not trying to achieve something? ...I suppose it was interesting talking to the Andalite scientist about morph research even though it was not the top strategic priority, I wish there had been more time to do that." 

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"Lots of people enjoy - painting, or exploring, or collecting magic rocks...lots of people enjoy learning magic..."

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"I would probably like learning magic." He hasn't been thinking about it much so far, maybe because he's still vaguely hoping that Aroden will resurrect him and Carissa soon, despite the fact that on some other level he's hoping that won't happen at all. "Is it much like arcane magic in the material plane?" 

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"It is - drawing on the same underlying features of the world as arcane magic in the material plane but most of how you approach it is different. And it's slower. There was a balance of power agreement across all of the Outer Planes, and it's better for us for it to be slow, even though it can be frustrating. The thing to keep in mind is that you have eternity, it's okay if it takes a couple hundred years to learn the magic you knew in the Material Plane."

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It doesn't seem okay at all for doing anything to take hundreds of years, actually, but - he can see her point. It does sound absorbing, and better than dwelling on things he wants and can't ever have even here, like 'Seerow being alive'.

He tries to notice whether or not he actually wants to start learning magic. He's noticed a few times now that he can see it, here, probably he could figure out how to play around with that even if Caroline doesn't know... 

Not really. It seems good in the abstract, but not appealing in a right-now way. 

"I seem to just want to sleep," he says, irritated. "I assume I do not even need to sleep, technically, since I am dead." 

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"You do not need to sleep or eat, technically, but many people like to. I think that if you want to sleep that is information about what will help you with trauma recovery and what will help you is sleep." She offers her wing.

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He snuggles up under her wing, with less hesitation this time. Maybe if he sleeps enough then eventually he'll wake up to a world with something different in it. 

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The world looks pretty much the same in the morning.

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Mhalir considers whether he wants to try learning magic, or fly around, or learn birdsongs, or go ask questions about Alloran's search engine. It's not that none of those sounds good but they do sound very hard, like there's a wall in the way, and maybe actually what he wants to do is shuffle around and hide from the light under Caroline's wing and sleep MORE, since apparently no one is going to stop him from doing that and it's not like he needs to eat or drink. 

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No one is going to stop him from doing that at all!

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In that case Mhalir is going to do SO MUCH sleeping. Nothing hurts when he's asleep, or in the half-conscious moments between sleep and waking - though sometimes he has nightmares, but that's different - and on some level he's being stubborn about it, daring the universe to do something to him for his obtuse refusal to do anything or make any plans or be clever or careful at all, because surely there's nowhere in the world where he can be safe while refusing to try to be. 

Eventually, it must be multiple days later, he wakes up with the sun and considers immediately going back to sleep and concludes that he isn't, actually, tired enough to do that. 

He checks if Caroline is awake before starting to sing. 

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She is! She's moving motes of magic in the air and will sing with him.

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He sings and watches the magic, expecting the whole time to be suddenly tired again, but eventually concludes that no today seems to be an awake day. 

"Maybe I want to fly over and visit the place where the lawyers have Alloran's search engine," he muses. "How far is it?" 

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"It's about a mile. I could go with you. You'll want to take breaks along the way."

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"All right. I would appreciate if you came with me." 

He glances back to check if she's ready, and then jumps from the nest again and beats his wings, trying to gauge if he feels stronger this time. 

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He does! Which is a little odd, since he's done nothing but sleep, but maybe Nirvana works like that. 

 

They only need to take a couple of breaks to reach the place. It's a stunningly pretty wood building built among towering thousand-foot trees; there are hundreds of animals gathered there, more than he's seen in one place anywhere in Nirvana.

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Mhalir wonders how long he would have to practice to be able to fly as high as the tops of those trees. 

He doesn't try now, though; he flutters down and lands and tries to see what the people are gathered for, which is hard because most of the other animals are less tiny than him. 

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There's lawyer training! There's a separate lawyer training for people who are his height right now; when he lands, he gets directed towards it.

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Interesting. He watches, curious what the lawyer training here involves. 

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They explain the process for court cases. People who die get a trial, though they can waive it; trials and trial preparation happen in magic time dilation so the sheer numbers are manageable at all; even with that, there are substantial delays when there's a sudden surge in deaths, as there is now. Nirvana sends people to every trial. It takes years of training to be competent to argue a case, but you can help with research right away, and helping with research is the best way to learn what you'll need to competently argue a case. Running trials can be very demoralizing; by definition most of the time you will lose, since the majority of people are not Neutral Good. You'll see lots of people condemned to Hell or Abaddon or the Abyss, and separated from families and things that would help them heal. It's very frustrating. But it's still important that everyone, even if they look like an open-and-shut case for Hell, has someone in the room who believes they deserve to be okay forever and is going to do whatever they can.

And sometimes you win. They go through some examples of some cases where Nirvana rules-lawyered particularly cleverly, shared now with permission of the subjects, mostly from hundreds and hundreds of years ago. And they're winning more often now that they have a reference tool called a search engine; up to about 15% from 10%, and they're not even done feeding the search engine all the transcripts or figuring out how best to leverage it.

And they explain that you form ongoing relationships with Pharasma's judges, over time, and while it might be tempting to be misleading or to be rude or to refuse to concede a point, that makes the judge respect you less and listen to you less; earning a reputation for being right and being worth listening to is more important than dragging your heels on any given case, what with that not being a winning strategy anyway. 

Trial work is not recommended when you are new. It takes a lot of healing to get to a place where watching people be condemned to evil afterlives all the time because you didn't know how to convince anyone otherwise isn't really really bad for you. It is reasonable for that to take a lot; it is awful. It is traumatizing. It is something everyone should hope to eventually be in a positiont o do at least once, because it's an important part of understanding the world, but for many people that takes thousands of years and that's fine. Nonetheless they're grateful for the interest and will train anyone who wants to try to learn.

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The explanation leaves Mhalir with a lot to think about; he spends the first few minutes once the lecture is done just doing that, standing by one of the thousand-foot trees and trying to fit his mind around the worldview that seems to be universally agreed-on here. That everyone, no matter who they are, no matter what they've done, deserves to be okay forever.

'Deserves' is a concept that hasn't previously fit well with the rest of how Mhalir thinks, so often it seems to be trying to slice up the word along a purely subjective angle that reality doesn't care about and that's mostly based on the viewpoint of whoever's making the claim, right now, about what's fair and right and ought to happen, and so you get Yeerks who think that their children deserve to have eyes and hands, and Andalites who think that all Yeerks deserve to be dead or at best trapped in pools forever, and there's no resolving that, because it's not a fact you can prove by logic or by measuring objects in reality. 

- but there's something almost objective about Nirvana's concept of it, there's an elegant symmetry to it - the sense that they do mean something that he understands. And they're not like Iomedae, but they are, in a sense, ruthlessly trying to do whatever it takes to win, in this one specific game, and it's a long game and so the best strategy is a patient one... 

He tries that on for a while. 

- He's not going to argue with their claim that he isn't ready for trial work, Mhalir decides eventually. He isn't, and that doesn't just mean it would hurt him to try, it means he would be more likely to lose

He does, however, eventually go looking for the instructor who was explaining the search engine, to tell them that he's also knowledgeable about search engines and would like to help them figure out how to use it effectively. 

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The instructor is happy to show it to him and explain what they're doing so they can help! The interface they're using looks like a set of matched rings for correspondence over a distance; you can speak words into it and then it replies with a list of potentially relevant court cases. 

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Oh, interesting! He had been wondering how they were implementing it, and fortunately it looks like magic lets them skip over a lot of the really annoying interfaces of early-stage computers.

He explains that humans on Earth tend to use search engines with a visual interface, because it's easier to process a lot of information that way, and particularly while they're still figuring out keyword categorization, the search engine is likely to often misfire because it doesn't quite understand the query. He's curious how they're indexing the records, too, whether it's all manual coding by people or whether they're feeding transcripts to software which finds patterns and organizes them, either way he has ideas for how to improve it. Ideally they would have users able to add metadata to files when they're incidentally pulling them up, so that over time the system gets better and better categorization just by being used, if that makes sense? 

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That sounds really useful! Right now it is all read into one of the rings by people, and they're only about 5% of the way through all their files but they prioritized the cases likeliest to be relevant so they think they're getting around half the benefit already. Their understanding is that the software can do some finding patterns, but it'd be really valuable if lawyers could mark cases as unusually useful for one another. A visual interface would be great but no one has yet figured out how to build it. 

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Reading it into the rings sounds very slow and he's impressed they've made it through 5% of the backlog already! Probably he should talk to whoever knows how the magic they're using works. They might want to use something like a crystal ball and adapt the scrying spell to scry 'objects' that are in the search engine rather than physical space. 

Talking about this is interesting and fun but Mhalir is also finding that he's very tired again. Can he come back tomorrow? 

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Of course! Or whenever is convenient for him.

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He thanks them for their time and looks around for Caroline. 

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She is perched on a tree up above and can accompany him home.

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He needs more breaks on the return flight, and at one point is briefly tempted to just sleep on the forest floor instead of flying further, but the nest is the place that feels safe right now, and even though he still half-suspects that's an illusion, the promise of it keeps him going. 

"I think I should try to figure out why Nirvana wanted me to be a baby bird," he says to her once he's flopped there and rested for a few minutes. "It is confusing because I do not like it, and one would think that disliking something would not predict it being good for healing." 

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"That is confusing! What shape would you like being?"

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"- I mean, if I were choosing between anything, I think I would want to have an Andalite body again, to be - fast, and able to defend myself, and ideally to have morph and then I could be a hawk if I needed to fly places." 

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"If you imagine that you'd woken up here with an Andalite body, what do you think you would have done first?"

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He has to think about that for a while. "I would probably have looked for an open space where I could see everything around me while I oriented a bit, and then morphed hawk to scout, and figured out where I wanted to go." 

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"I don't know if Nirvana can make you capable of shapechanging at will if you aren't relating to yourself in the way that causes shapechanging in Nirvana."

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"I suppose that makes sense, it is already - more than I would have asked for - that it allows it at all, and lets me have a body without needing a host. I am also confused about why shapechanging works the way it does, though, I talked to somebody about it and their explanation of it felt...unfair." 

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It's oddly hard to think about, but Mhalir fumbles through recounting the story about the one person who couldn't shapeshift for a hundred years because she was always scared, and how it seems mean of Nirvana to put him in a shape where he feels vulnerable and unable to protect himself, when feeling that way will cause him not to be able to shift to a better body. 

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"I wonder what that person would say about it if we asked her. It does seem bad for people, to feel vulnerable. It is very important to feel safe if you want to start feeling all kinds of other things."

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"I spent so much of my life being small and helpless, I am tired of it. I - am not sure I have ever felt safe. The world was not a safe place for my species." 

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"It is possible that the process that starts people as things made a mistake, but it also seems possible that learning you are safe as a bird is more valuable to you and a better foundation than learning you are safe as an Andalite."

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"Am I safe? I could run into someone like the person who needed to be a lion and bite people to see what happened, I could - fall in the river - I could try to fly too high and get tired and fall..." 

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"You are safe. People who are violent don't start near other traumatized people. The kind of bird that we are isn't damaged by falling. I do not know exactly what would happen if you fell in the river, do you want me to jump into the river for you and find out?"

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"- Maybe? Although you are an adult bird and I am a baby bird so I am not sure it would be an accurate test for what would happen to me." 

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"I can be a baby bird." She settles herself in the nest and focuses on it and gets younger, just barely quickly enough that it's perceptible change.

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That's so fascinating! The most interesting part, maybe, is that she's just - willing - to do that. Not scared. 

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Once she is a baby bird she clumsily makes her way to the edge of the nest. "Should we check now?"

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"All right." He flutters down from the nest with her, landing next to the riverbank. 

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And she makes her way over to the water and plops in. She floats, apparently, and is whisked gently away downstream.

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- probably this shouldn't be scary, but in fact it's terrifying!!! 

Mhalir tries to take off from the ground, fails and tumbles over, hops to one of the little hillocks and takes off from there and flaps hard, chasing after her. 

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When she observes him doing this she starts beating her wings against the water and splashes herself to shore in a bedraggled feathery heap. "I'm sorry, Mhalir, I didn't mean to startle you - I'm right here -"

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He lands, more clumsily than usual, and hops to her. "- Are you all right?" 

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" - yes." She sounds slightly confused by the question. "I think the stream gets us to some other part of Nirvana. Probably I should have asked someone, I'm sorry."

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Mhalir doesn't say anything, just huddles up against her, shivering, and tries to burrow under her wing, which works less well when she's also a baby bird. He's still kind of panicking, which doesn't make all that much sense because it seems like in fact nothing bad happened, but - it feels to him that this isn't the point, the point is that if something had happened he wouldn't have been able to do anything about it. 

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She leans against him and pats him with her small baby bird wing. "That was really scary for you."

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Why does Caroline always feel the need to say things which are extremely obvious. 

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Patpat.

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"I - do not actually think that helped with feeling safe," Mhalir says eventually, shakily. "Can we go back to the nest now." 

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"Of course." She has been getting gradually more grownup bird shaped, but still flies slowly and shakily back to the nest.

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Mhalir follows her; he's actually less shaky, since he's more used to his baby wings and also not wet. He lands and huddles. 

"- I feel very stupid," he admits. "Like - either I should have predicted accurately that would not help, or I should be not scared because actually you are unhurt and nothing bad happened..." 

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"I don't think you should feel stupid! I have lots more experience with trauma and I did not predict that that would not help, or I would not have suggested it. And people cannot usually decide to not be afraid of frightening things, it takes time, and examples of the thing going well - and it does not count if the thing technically didn't hurt anyone but was scary again, that won't help you learn to expect it not to be scary."

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"I can usually decide not to be afraid if being afraid is unhelpful! ...Maybe that is not exactly true. When I was alive I could usually decide to - put the fear somewhere else, where it would not affect my decisions or thinking very much." 

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"That sounds like it could be useful in some circumstances but also mean you don't get much practice at being afraid."

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Huh. Mhalir never thought of it in that way, where 'being afraid' is something where practice would help. It...sort of makes sense, though, maybe. 

"I want Carissa," he says, miserably. "Or at least I want to know that she is all right, and - she is in Heaven so probably no one is hurting her? But - to put weight on that I would need to trust that what everyone here says about Heaven is true, when I have not seen it myself, and..." He shrugs helplessly with one wing. "And I hate that I am trapped here and cannot go see for myself and no one will tell me what is happening with the war and maybe they need my help but I am not there - "

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"It's very unfair, that we can't go to the other afterlife planes and the Material Plane."

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"I do not see how I am supposed to feel safe here when being here means I cannot achieve any of the things I care about!" 

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"Do you prefer not to feel safe or be okay while so much is wrong with the universe?"

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"I - that feels like the wrong framing - whether I am okay is not the point, the rest of reality is not checking my okayness before being the way it is, and - I made a promise - I cannot just decide not to care about that, that is not how anything works..." 

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"Of course not. It is very frustrating that we cannot affect the Material Plane, here."

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It's so frustrating.

"I feel as though you are trying to say something else and I am not following your point," he says eventually. 

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"Hmmm.

 

Almost everyone who comes to Nirvana is angry and frustrated that we can't affect the Material Plane. It is hard and unusual to have lived a life that didn't involve making promises. People leave children and elderly parents who will starve without them - mine did. People leave projects that were important, wars they must win. That is what death is. We lose so much. There is nothing anyone here can do to get you home again. The not-going-home - that is not a decision Nirvana makes to help you heal. That is one of the awful things about the universe people have to somehow heal from."

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He's suddenly so angry. "I cannot do that." 

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"What do you mean by that?"

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"I cannot just - be okay - with the universe containing things that are awful. I made a promise that I would fix it. I - Iomedae's cleric asked if I wanted to fight on the side of Good forever, and - and I am so angry if, if they do not want my help anymore even if I wish to offer it - Iomedae was not answering my prayers..." 

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"I think there is a difference between - being okay with the universe containing things that are awful, and being okay in a universe that contains things that are awful. Being able to heal within it does not require thinking it's all right. And - it is not the case that in Nirvana we can do nothing to make the world less awful. With time, we can become more powerful, powerful enough if we wish to answer summons from the Material Plane. But the specific things that we set down - we cannot pick those up again. No one here can send us home."

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"...I think I am still finding it hard to understand the difference between being okay in and being okay with." 

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"That makes sense. Hmm, imagine if you did not feel scared whenever anything happened that you couldn't control, and you understood your own feelings and motivations and where they were coming from, and you didn't feel tired or scared or overwhelmed when unexpected things happened, and you could think about upsetting things but not be consumed by feeling upset. Do those seem like changes that could happen without - changing what you want the world to be like and what you care about?"

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"I - maybe? I think I was better at that before. Or - thought I was, at least, I am not sure. I seem to be very bad at it right now and I disprefer that...I think maybe it was already getting worse from the time I came to Golarion, though..." 

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"Often, when a person is being traumatized, they learn patterns of thought and reaction that work well enough under the circumstances they're facing. They don't notice that there are problems until they're out of that situation and safe or in a different kind of danger. The soul tries to hold itself together, whatever the cost, while the danger is imminent."

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"...I am worried that learning patterns of thought suited for a place where one is always safe is actively bad if I ever want to return to the material plane where that is not the case." 

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"I think there are some patterns of thought that would be bad for that, but mostly - habits are not just a variety of skills for situations, with none of them better or worse than others. Healing is not just learning the habits for a safer world, it is also learning how to notice your own needs, and what it feels like both to listen to and to ignore trauma-based instincts, and how to tell when you're pushing yourself and when you're harming yourself. People who get very good at the things Nirvana tries to teach are able to spend most of their time trying to save people from eternal damnation and usually failing. That doesn't come from a habit of expecting things to be okay, or of deluding yourself about how bad things are, or of deliberately not-thinking about things, or of surrounding yourself with gentleness. The skill it requires is also one that would serve someone who fights wars, I think."

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"That...makes sense. I do want to be able to do that - I was trying, before, to be able to live in a world with many awful things and not give up. I - am not really sure what it means, to be able to tell if something is harming me, separate from whether I think it is bad?" 

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"Some things are bad but not in a way that interferes with your ability to form predictions about the world and act on your goals and make sense of the things that happen to you. And some things are bad in a way that interferes with predicting and acting and sense-making. If I try a fancy flying trick at high speeds in a rock canyon fall badly and break my wing that will be annoying, but it will not interfere with my ability to predict or make sense of the world. If you broke your wing right now I think it would interfere with your sense-making, since you are trying to predict that you won't come to random harm, and since it'll feel less possible to do things that you care about doing."

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"- Honestly I think that if something bad happening interferes with my ability to form accurate predictions or make plans that will work, that is a very stupid cognitive error to be making and I should do something less stupid instead." 

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"Hmmmm, what does 'stupid' mean, there?"

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Mhalir mulls on that for a moment. "It is - objectively recognizable as a mistake, to anyone assessing it from the outside? It would cause me to be more wrong rather than less, it is...the opposite of learning from experience, in a sense, if observing something causes my model of the world and my ability to achieve my goals to be worse rather than better." 

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"I think it is a mistake and one that people get better at avoiding as they heal. But - it's very hard, in a world that keeps hurting you, to build the skills that might let you escape the hurt."

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"Why?" 

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"Well, it's hard to learn to swim when you're drowning. Because the immediate panic about how you are not getting enough air and your head is sinking below the water is going to take priority over skill formation or reasoning things out or anything like that. - this is both an example and a metaphor."

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"I...think that makes sense. But I was not usually in situations of immediate panic, before, I did make time to practice skills and reason through things. - I did not always get it right, but..." 

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"I think there is a lower-level version of 'immediately panicked' that everyone in the Material world and many people in most of the Outer Planes is subject to almost all of the time, and that has similar kinds of effects to being actively drowning, though of course to a lesser degree. It is the state of - fundamentally not believing that you are safe and loved no matter what you do, and fundamentally not expecting anyone to catch you if you make mistakes, and so being alone, at the edges of your strength, without even any way to imagine things being different than that."

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For some reason Mhalir is suddenly, overwhelmingly sad, and his thoughts tug to Carissa; he remembers her fear, and how much he wanted her to be less afraid...

"I - mean - that is how reality works? It does not generally catch you if you make mistakes, and in the world I come from, there is nobody to catch you when you die, either, you just - cease to exist and are gone forever. And the only way to change that is to become strong enough that you will not fall. And then try to catch everyone." 

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"Yes. That is how lots of places are. And so everyone is almost drowning all the time which makes them not very good at learning to swim."

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"Nirvana is not like that. There are things to catch you if you fall. You are not alone. And once you have learned to swim then you will be more effective even if you are plunged back into the world where everyone is slightly drowning."

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This gives him a slightly clearer conception of what he needs to do, Mhalir thinks, but still not much of a map for how.

"I think you are saying that there is a kind of being scared and not feeling safe that is - like drowning and panicking about it, it makes one less able to reason or learn things? And so my mind would work better and I would make fewer mistakes in reasoning if I were less scared in that way?" 

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"I think so, yes. Talking about minds is hard, though, and there isn't a good vocabulary for it."

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"That is inconvenient." Sigh. "Is there standard advice for how to be less scared here." 

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"Sometimes it is a good idea to do things that are just a tiny bit scary, so that you can start to train the expectation that those things will go well and not go badly. Sometimes it's a good idea to talk about what scares you, in a lot of detail, what is the worst thing that might happen and what feels like the likeliest thing that could happen and what would make the situation feel safe."

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"The worst thing that might happen is...if Asmodeus wins the war between Heaven and Hell, and uses Wish to kidnap Aroden to Hell so he can destroy his soul forever, and then resurrects me so he can interrogate me and destroy me as well, and Carissa too, and - if the Andalites betray the peace treaty I wrote up as soon as I am no longer there, and win the war with my people, and everyone who matters to me is either gone forever or has lost everything they care about, and I cannot - fix things - because I do not exist anymore..." 

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"That does sound like about the worst thing that could possibly happen. Does it feel like - there ought to be something you could do that would make it under your control -"

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"- I... not starting from here, I do not have enough levers, but - if I had been smarter, before–" He cuts off. "Nevermind, I thought of a worse thing that could happen. If Rovagug escapes while the other gods are distracted and then destroys the entire universe, that would be worse." 

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"- yes, that would be!"

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Now Mhalir is feeling very overwhelmed by the weight of possible-awful-things that could happen, and the smallness of his current existence, and - it doesn't feel logically coherent, that he could ever feel safe in a world where that remains true. 

He curls up very small again and says nothing. 

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Caroline grooms herself and eats some seeds and doesn't say anything.

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Mhalir struggles against it for a long time. The horror is too big to fit into himself; it seems like it should be too much to fit into the world, it shouldn't make logical sense for it to be possible, but of course reality is reality and it is the way it is, and... 

Eventually he stops struggling, in some confusing metaphorical way that feels a little like giving up but also not like giving up at all. 

"I - can live in a world where that might happen," he says dully. "Because I am, right. That is what 'can' means, just - this is where I am, this is how things are." 

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" - yes. I think that's a good way to put it. You do live in a world where that might happen. Everyone does. There are better and worse ways to live in it but there's no way to live not in it."

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"And - living in it is better than not existing at all. I - maybe it is more sensible to compare it to the world where I do not exist at all and notice that existing is better even if I am very small, instead of comparing it to the world where I already fixed all the problems and - being afraid that I am not strong enough to do that and will fail." 

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"Maybe. I personally find that it is not really worth comparing my situation to any other situations other than ones I can go do if I'd like."

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"- I mean, I think I have to compare the situation I am in to other possible situations in order to notice that I want things to be different because I think they would be better that way? That is - what having goals in the world means, almost, that you are here and you want to be there and you chart a course between those points." 

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"Hmmm. I think that's not how I make goals but it does seem like a perfectly good way to make goals if it is working for you."

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"How do you make goals?" 

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"Usually I am curious about something, and so I decide to try things until I figure it out."

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"Oh. I do that too but I had not previously thought of it as having a goal, just as - being curious. It was - nice, when I had time and could afford to just do that, but it did not happen very often." 

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"It sounds like you were very busy."

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"There were always many urgent things to do." 

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"That is some of what I identified earlier as a bit like drowning."

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"...Maybe." 

 

 

 

 

 

"I did not feel that way when Seerow was alive. I - felt - I remember - it was like the world had opened into something vast and beautiful, it felt abundant, I thought we had all the time we needed..." 

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"Tell me about him?"

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"He was an Andalite scientist. He studied our planet. Realized we were sapient, no one had recognized that before. He thought it was tragic that we lacked more than rudimentary technology, so he shared theirs with us. He - I thought he was my friend - 

- he betrayed us. He had expressed unease before but nothing stronger than that - I had not been expecting violence at all... He died." 

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"I'm so sorry."

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"I miss him. I wish he were not dead; I want him back. But - I do not think that there is anywhere for souls to go when they die, on either of our homeworlds." 

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"That is very terrible. It shouldn't be like that."

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"It should not." 

 

"I - live in the world where that happened. I can exist here, obviously, because I do. But I am not sure I can be okay in the world where that happened and nothing I can ever do will bring him back." 

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"When you say that, what does not being okay mean?"

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"...That it will always hurt to live in this world where he is dead. That there will always be something I want and cannot have. Many things. He is not the only person who died in the war." 

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"Yes. I think that's probably true. It will probably always hurt, that there are people who are dead and cannot be rescued, that there are people we can't see again and roles we can't play in their lives anymore."

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It helps, somehow, hearing that; it doesn't hurt less but it feels less dissonant. 

"It did not previously stop me from wanting other things or having other goals? I am not sure why it feels so - in the way, right now." 

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"It might be that you are allowing yourself to have more feelings about it now that it is less dangerous to do so. Or that you are usually able to push those feelings into motivation to do things, and without anything to push them at they hurt more. Or that you should not be doing things right now, but your unconscious mind does not know how to communicate that to your conscious mind, so it makes random things loud in the hopes that'll get you to listen."

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"I do think it is easier when there are problems now that I have tools to solve and I can - prioritize my feelings based on whether they help with that." He shivers. "...I find it very distressing to consider that I 'should not' be doing things right now, and I am not sure whose 'should' that would be or what that even means." 

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"It is possible that it is most conducive to your long-term ability to learn to metaphorically swim if you try to not do any things in particular right now."

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"That does not make any sense. 'Learning to swim' is doing a thing, even if it is metaphorical and actually a different skill." 

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"Let's say you are in the middle of the water and you are trying to learn to swim but you are impaired in learning by the fact you're panicking and desperately distorting all your movements to keep your head an inch above the surface. And also let's say that actually you can breathe fine in water. Then the first advice someone might give you is to stop trying to not drown, and just see what happens, and get used to it, and then start trying to swim."

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"Huh." He is giving her such a puzzled look. "...Can we breathe in water, here?" 

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"I don't know! I bet not in this form or I would've discovered it when I jumped in the creek, and instead I floated."

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"I - am trying to figure out better what 'swimming' is a metaphor for, here - in the version where I could actually breathe underwater, metaphorically - so I know what to even stop trying to do. Maybe...it could be a metaphor for - being in control of my surroundings, knowing what is happening and having tools and plans to change it if something bad would otherwise happen..." 

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"Hmmm. Maybe. Or for - fighting wars, for expecting that the only way to get what you want is to have the resources to insist on it -"

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"Maybe. I mean, it is not as though I even have the option of going and fighting wars right now, so I suppose I am forced to practice not fighting wars and instead...hoping that Iomedae or Aroden will make sure things turn out all right? Except I am scared that maybe both of them are dead and that things will not be all right at all." 

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"I think probably we would have heard about it if Iomedae was dead."

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"I suppose. And I do not have any good plans right now because I have very few resources to work with and - I am not trying that hard, I guess. I am very tired." 

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"If you are resurrected later, I think the thing you'll be gladdest you did while you were here is - rest, and process, and learn better ways to process things. And if you are not resurrected later that will still be a useful thing to have done."

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"Mmm. What are better ways to process things?" 

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"It depends on the person. Talking about them. Painting, flying, swimming, building things. Talking about - what predictions they lean you towards making, and whether you think those predictions are right."

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He nods. "That fits. The last thing would be very useful, I think, to understand how I think and what my feelings about things are doing for that, I keep being very confused about my emotions." It also sounds like such an insurmountable amount of effort, though. "...But right now I am tired and I want to sleep, I think." 

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She extends her wing.

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Mhalir snuggles up against her, and if he doesn't quite feel safe, well, he feels closer to it than he ever has before. He falls asleep without too much difficulty. 

- in the middle of the night he has a nightmare where Iomedae accidentally releases Rovagug, thinking that he'll be confined to eating Hell, and instead he eats the entire planet of Golarion as well, and then the rest of the planets, and the sun, and he wakes up just as the last light from it is fading, in that moment filled with total conviction that Rovagug is in fact free and coming for Nirvana next - 

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It is dark. The sky is starry. Caroline is asleep.

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For some reason it feels impossible to move or speak or take any action on purpose; he tries to make a sound, and it takes multiple attempts even for that to work. 

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Caroline wakes once he makes a sound. " - are you all right?"

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Mhalir is silent, shivering, staring fixedly at the dark sky. He can't really parse the question, right now, let alone answer; he's almost too disoriented to properly have emotions, instead of feeling scared per se he mostly feels like he can't breathe. 

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She can snuggle him and wait to see if that gets any better.

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Slowly he becomes more aware of his actual surroundings, which are quiet and peaceful and, to be fair, dark, but this is normal and expected and not a sign that the sun is gone or anything.

He's still scared, and it continues to feel bizarrely like a disease or injury rather than a normal emotion. This is very baffling. 

Eventually he tries to explain this to Caroline, so he can ask if she's had that happen to her before. 

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"I have not personally had that happen, but I have heard people describe it. Sometimes flying or swimming can help, because it has to do with your body - misattributing sensations - and changing the context can help with that. Sometimes it can help just to know that your body is misattributing sensations and you are not injured or suffocating."

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"I did figure that part out. I am worried that if I try to fly now I will crash into a tree because I cannot see where I am going." 

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"That makes sense. I can do magic lights but not very big ones, I haven't specialized in magic."

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"Maybe I will just - flap my wings here, or something." 

He does that for a bit. It's not especially satisfying but it does result in less feeling like something is mysteriously physically wrong with his body.

"I had a nightmare," he says, folding his wings again and huddling in the nest. "Where Iomedae let Rovagug out by accident and he ate the entire star system." 

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"Oh no. Often nightmares are about processing something. I guess it's pretty clear what that one is about processing."

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Shiver. "I am tired but I do not really want to go back to sleep now." 

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"We could talk more, if you wanted, or sing, or just lie here awake and look at the stars."

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"I do not really want to talk more because if I talk about upsetting things then I might have nightmares again if I end up sleeping. I would like it if you taught me another birdsong." 

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She can teach him another birdsong.

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He sings with her, and eventually finds that he's sleepy again, and spends a while drowsing next to her while vaguely trying to fight it and stay awake, and eventually falls asleep without really meaning to. 

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Caroline snuggles him, when he sleeps, and gives advice on flying and birdsongs and trauma, when he's awake.

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Mhalir doesn't end up making it back to the legal centre for several days. He gamely answers when Caroline asks questions about people he knew and experiences he had, and talks about his feelings even when they seem pointless and dumb, and he flies and sings and gets better at both.

When he eventually feels like crossing the mile of distance, he goes back to the place where they were giving lessons to prospective lawyers, and gives them advice on setting up their search engine. It's interesting and he tries to lean into wanting to do it for that reason, as opposed to because it's very important; it helps that it's important, but he can notice now that it hurts to push on that too hard.

It gets easier to notice what emotions he's having and what he wants, which unfortunately doesn't get him very far toward understanding why. He goes through periods where for days all he wants to do is sleep, and other times when he's viscerally terrified for hours at a stretch, or inexplicably overwhelmed with sadness, and he can't figure out much of a pattern, it's not obvious that it has to do with what he's talking about with Caroline. 

He misses Carissa nearly all the time, but most of the time it's a background ache, and it's only occasionally that it becomes the only thing he can think about until that, too, passes. 

He doesn't start learning magic, though he thinks about it several times, when he's watching Caroline moving motes of magic light in the air, or spots a magic pebble. It's not that strategically uesful, since it'll take him years to get anywhere, and it's still only abstractly interesting, not in a way he can actually touch and be curious about. 

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"I wish I knew what Alloran would think about me being here," he finds himself musing to Caroline, at one point, it must be weeks later. "I am not sure why I want to know so badly, it is not that important." 

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"Do you want someone to ask him, or send him a letter?"

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"Maybe? I am concerned it would be bad for his healing for him to have to answer that question, given - everything. I am not even sure he would know I am here, right now, and maybe he would prefer it that way." 

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"I think probably there is a point in his healing where it would be bad for him and a point where it would be good, and it will be hard to guess from the outside which it is, and Nirvana won't engineer things that closely for us - well, if it were a great idea for you to land on top of him it might've done that, but it won't - impede us in tracking him down just because it's a bad idea."

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"I guess I could write a letter, and then - have someone ask him if he would want to know information about Mhalir right now? ...Probably it is a good idea to figure out why I want this, first, it - seems bad if actually I want a specific answer and will be very upset if it turns out he still hates me and intends to murder me someday." Shrug. "He swore that he would. Many times." 

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"Well, you are already dead. I think most cultures where people swear to kill each other have some provision about the other person being already dead."

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"- Maybe. I am not sure if he would think it counted, since I still exist and - get to have nice things here." He thinks for a while. "I...am not sure if it is the case that I only want to hear a particular answer. I do want to have been right that it was better for the world and for him to bring him to Nirvana, and - I want him to be okay, someday, I very badly want that. But - I think right now I just want to have accurate, informed beliefs about what is true, what the actual current situation is. It...feels important, to understanding things. I am not sure why though." 

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"Does it feel like it would be - information about Nirvana?"

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"- Maybe that, yes. And - about Good, and how...real...it is, it matters if people starting from very different positions would still converge on the same concepts of Good." 

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"I think that they do, but - how long has it been?"

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He has to think about that surprisingly hard. "- Less than a year? Maybe eight months but it could be a bit more than that." 

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" - I think that Good is a real thing people grow towards but it would not be very surprising for them to have only grown towards it a little bit in less than a year."

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Mhalir eventually nods. "I understand. I still want to know, I think, but - not if he prefers not to interact with me-related questions at all, and I will only take it as a small amount of information on - whether people in fact converge toward Good, when given the opportunity." 

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"That makes sense. We can send a note and someone can ask him whether he wants updates about you and we'll hear back about that."

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"- Can you write the note? It feels - too personal, for me to write something to him myself, and... I am not sure, it feels stressful." 

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"I can do that." She does it with magic, appearing the words in an unfamiliar language on a piece of paper. "I will say that Mhalir is in Nirvana and he is not sure whether Alloran will want that or more information but if Alloran did want more information, available information includes that..." She looks at him questioningly.

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"That - I died fighting Hell with the Andalite ships - I am not sure how much if anything he knows about the peace treaty. That I am very impressed with his search engine..."

He trails off. He can't actually think of any other content, and adding that he hopes Alloran will be okay seems - probably offensive or something to say to Alloran directly, at this point, after everything.  

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She adds marks that presumably correspond to this. "I can take it over to the friend who is a lawyer and will know where he is."

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"All right. Thank you." 

He waits in the nest, shivering again for some reason. 

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She isn't gone very long. "He said to expect a response in a day or so."

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That feels like both a very long time and somehow not long enough. "I feel stressed about waiting," he admits. "And - scared of hurting him more." 

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"That makes sense. I would expect you to have a lot of pain and hurt and complicated feelings about this whole subject. One of the greatest kinds of injury is the injury caused by harming another person."

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"I do not think most people would be very sympathetic to the harm it caused to me." 

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"Hmm, why not?"

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"Because if I had wanted to not be hurt by it, I could have decided not to enslave and torture someone for fifteen years while living in their head?" 

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"Do you think that people should not get sympathy for pain they're experiencing that they could have avoided by trading it off for some other things?"

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"I - no - I think it is less of a 'should' and more just how I expect the world to be, that in general people will agree I am much less deserving of sympathy than Alloran, in this situation." 

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"- I don't think there is a fixed amount of sympathy to distribute such that he is getting less if you get more."

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"Hmm." Mhalir feels like they keep bouncing off each other's points, in this conversation, and he's not sure what to do to stop that. 

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She does not say more about it.

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He spends most of the next day or two either flying or singing, and sleeps a lot more than he usually has lately. 

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Another bird comes two days later, with a letter. 

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Caroline reads it. 

"It says 'I am glad he is done hurting people. I have no particular desire to speak to him unless he can get us some better computers, in which case I will do it.'"

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"....Well. I suppose that is better than wanting to hunt me down and kill me again. I have been thinking about how to obtain better computers but - not very effectively because I keep being very tired and then not doing it for days. Though I also do not really want to talk to Alloran, so I suppose that works out." 

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She puts her wing around him. "That makes sense to me."

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"Thank you for doing that." He shuffles up against her, closes his eyes. "...I still feel as though I do not know what he is thinking and I wish I did. I - suppose I got used to knowing all of his thoughts. But then it seemed as though maybe I had never known the person he really was, at his best, and - I wish I could. I want to appreciate his cleverness and diligence the way I could with Carissa, when we were choosing to work on the same team even though we were not fully aligned - and I think that is not ever something I would be able to have with Alloran, because enslaving someone against their will closes that door." 

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"I think it definitely puts that - very far away. Not infinitely far away. We have forever."

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"As long as no one lets Rovagug out." He says it lightly, though. 

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"Do you want to respond to the letter?"

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"- do you think it would make things better or worse if I did?" 

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"I think that interactions with Alloran probably have more potential to hurt you than most things you could do, but I think you know that and can evaluate it, and hurt is fixable, the point of NIrvana is not to avoid it at all costs. I think that if you had ideas about the computers that would be good for you but that trying to make yourself have them isn't wise. You could ask him more technical details about the current computer system?"

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"I am very curious about that, actually! I was trying to ask the people I visited questions but they did not really have the relevant technical background. Maybe I could - write up some of the ideas I had about it that I think I did not convey well enough. Can you help me do that? ....Tomorrow, maybe." 

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"Of course." Wing-hug.

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The next day, with Caroline's help, he gets through turning all of his miscellaneous thoughts and commentary on the search engine into reasonably well-organized words, which he is eventually willing to send.

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She takes it off folded in her feet, and comes back right away.

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He snuggles up against her as soon as she's back in the nest. "I am so bored of everything being very stressful even when it is unhelpful to feel that way." 

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"That makes sense. Being traumatized is very tiring and boring, in a lot of ways."

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"I wish it felt less as though things were just becoming harder rather than easier over time. I think I am better at noticing what my emotions are but they are mostly bad." 

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"I think an overwhelming majority of people report it getting harder before it gets easier. I think - you told me about how Carissa in some ways was more stressed once she stopped thinking she should go to Hell and belong to Asmodeus? I think sometimes dismantling the thing you were using, even if it was hurting you, makes everything much harder."

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"...That makes sense for Carissa but I am not sure what the thing that I dismantled would have been. did not ever think that I ought go to Hell and belong to Asmodeus." 

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"I don't think the thing is always an entire overarching worldview. But - a lot of plans, a lot of habits, a lot of ways of thinking about yourself..."

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"I suppose I do feel - less sure who I am and what that means, here. Which is a very odd way to feel." Sigh. "I am sure Aroden never feels that way, but I am so small and confused and bad at everything compared to him. He is eight thousand years old." 

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"Well, in eight thousand years I bet you'll be very impressive."

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"Mmm." If the universe is still around, he thinks but doesn't say; he doesn't, actually, expect it not to be, there are enough people on the side of 'wanting the universe to keep existing' - including Asmodeus, even.

He misses Carissa. This is also starting to feel boring and repetitive at this point, and not worth saying out loud yet again. He misses Seerow and that's even stupider. He - wishes he could be in Carissa's head again while she talked to that one Andalite researcher who knew so much about magic artifacts... He wants a hundreds things and he makes lists of them in his head sometimes and most of them aren't things he can have in Nirvana, even though Nirvana is supposed to be the place where everything is fine. 

"I wish I could skip to the part of this where fifty years have passed and I am better at things," he says, finally, because at least that's a new thought. 

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"That makes sense. I think everyone wishes that sometimes. Sometimes I wish I could skip to the part where I've been here for ten thousand years and can do anything I want."

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"That makes sense." He's glad that she seems to understand, anyway. "I - think that maybe I need something different, now, because I keep feeling bored with myself. I am not sure what though." 

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"Do you want to check if you can be an adult bird yet?"

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"...I can try that." 

And he does his best to focus on - his internal sense of who-he-is, and the foundation he's managed to build of feeling like he's safe here, which is still a shaky one but it exists at all. And he tries to think of - how he wants to be bigger, to be able to fly further. Not because he's scared, but because he's curious, he wants to know what's beyond the horizon that he's not strong enough to reach. 

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"Oh, well done!" she says, cheerfully.

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He tries to look at himself. "Am I...?"

Maybe he can fly down to the river and peer at his reflection? 

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He can! Flying seems less exhausting and his maneuverability is better.

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He lands by the river, and tries to get a glimpse of his reflection. 

- he doesn't actually look like the same sort of bird that Caroline is, which he supposes makes sense, since this is all magic anyway. He's roughly the same size, but black, sleek-feathered. 

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Caroline flutters down next to him. "That was one of the fastest first shapeshifts I've seen!"

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"...Really? I was not expecting it would work." 

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"It took me months! I was a tree-climbing tentacle thing and it was all right but I wanted something a bit more familiar."

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"You were a tree-climbing what? - never mind, it is probably something I have not heard of. I just - I tried to think about how I wanted to be stronger and able to fly further, not because I was scared or did not feel safe as a baby bird, but because I was curious what I could find..." 

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"That definitely seems like the right spirit but for a lot of people it takes a lot of discipline to get from there to -" wing-gesture. "Maybe your history morphing helped. Are you going to go explore?"

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"I think so. I will come back. I still want to see if Alloran answers the letter. But I might want to fly far enough that I will be gone overnight." 

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"All right. Take care. Many people around here know where I nested, if you get lost and want to ask for directions."

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"All right. Thank you. For everything." 

He snuggles against her for one final moment, and then takes off - he doesn't need to find a hillock for it, this time - and wings his way up and up and up, into the blue sky. 

He doesn't stop to look down until he's very high. What can he see from here. 

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There's the mountain valley, and a big lake, and the redwood grove where the nearest lawyer-training is, and far in the distance past a stretch of meadows and some villages there's the sea.

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The sea might be too far for him to fly in a day and come back, but - well, what's actually going to go wrong, if it takes him longer and he needs to sleep somewhere strange. Caroline will wait, and hold onto any letters for him. 

And he wants to see it. 

He flies in that direction, gaining altitude as well as forward distance; he's curious how high he can go. 

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He can go up into the clouds if he wants! They are cold and foggy and somewhat hard to fly through but he can keep going up through that too if he likes.

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Cold and foggy and challenging is fine; there's something nice about it, even. 

He will fly up through the clouds and find out what's above them. 

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The tops of the clouds are fluffy and in some places manycolored like someone spilled oil atop them. Above the clouds there are floating mountains. Well, floating islands, craggy and rocky and in some places crystalline, with plants growing out of wedges and cracks on the underside, and forests on the top, and a silver dragon off in the distance flying from one to another. 

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There are so many interesting details things to look at!

He doesn't want to land on any of the islands, right now, or go talk to the dragon, but he does test what happens if he skims along the surface of one of the manycoloured clouds. 

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This tugs off his balance slightly, at first - those clouds are denser than other clouds - but then he can adjust for it. His wing gets heavy with water, eventually.

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Once he's tired of that he lifts off higher and tries to shake his wings free of water, and then flies onward, wondering how long it'll take this time before he's tired. 

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It takes a couple of hours of flying before he starts to get tired, and an hour after that before it's really slowing him down.

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He's in a stubborn mood, and keeps going until he's almost too tired to move his wings, then lets himself glide into a descent mostly at the whim of gravity, toward whatever random place happens to be below him right then. 

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It's a little village of log houses - not sized for humans - with gardens beside them. He lands in a pumpkin patch, gently.

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Maybe he will just sit here in this pumpkin patch for a while. He's very tired, and no one is likely to threaten him about it - he can finally believe that on a deep level, now. 

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A rabbit hops by, eats a pumpkin. Some cats return to the log houses. No one bothers him.

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He doesn't really feel like talking to anyone, right now, but eventually he hops around looking for a cozier place to sleep. 

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The log cabins have eaves he could tuck himself under.

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He does that, and is tired enough to fall asleep without any effort at all. 

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In the morning there are some groundhogs out tending the pumpkin patch and gossiping about the Godwar. "- backlog through the end of the year, but probably not much past that," one is saying. 

"Pharasma must be furious."

"Rumor has it that she told Aroden he'd better not try coming back, right now."

"I bet she's still holding a grudge over the last time!"

"But who else is there going to be to take over Hell? It's not a sustainable situation."

"We can handle it."

"Can we."

"For, you know, a couple centuries, until Pharasma cools off."

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He listens drowsily until the content sinks in, and then startles fully awake and hops over to them. "You have news about the Godwar - Aroden is still alive...?" 

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" - oh, hey. Yes, it's over, in Hell and on Golarion. Aroden died a couple of times but had contingencies up, as I understand it. Unlike everyone else." He tugs a weed up from under a pumpkin. "26 million dead on Golarion so not, actually, quite as bad as a hundred years ago. Though that was more spread out."

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"...Twenty-six million." He takes a minute to absorb that, poking restlessly at the grass with his beak. "...What happened to Hell. To Asmodeus. Does... does the 26 million count the souls who were in Hell." 

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"No. I think it must've been - much, much worse than that, in Hell, though we don't have a count. - Asmodeus surrendered. Eventually. They keep the bottom three layers of Hell, we get the rest, including the one where petitioners arrive, which is really the important one. And they're sending over everyone who wants to leave, which is - itself going to be at least a hundred million, Garadee was saying..."

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"Oh." That takes even longer to soak in. "I - it worked - I did not think... I expected we - they - would have to destroy everything..."

It feels like letting go of something heavy that he didn't even realize he was carrying, and that sudden relief and easing of pressure he never noticed while it was present leaves him almost lightheaded, giddy, like he's falling except not in the direction of gravity's pull. 

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The groundhogs nod, in a manner of speaking, and weed in silence for a moment.

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"Thank you for telling me," he says, his own voice sounding distant and strange, and he takes off, which is maybe a little rude but he doesn't actually expect that to harm him, here, or them - 

- he flies toward the sun, dizzy, whirling, in that moment everything is bright and blazing and - not safe, but that isn't the point, right now. 

He should try to get a message to Carissa, again, but not now. Now he's going to fly toward the sea. 

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There's a big sandy beach and then water that stretches out for a long, long time, sparkling.

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Mhalir flutters down, less tired this time, and lands on the beach, and hops up to the very edge of the water, staring out. 

He misses Carissa. Not that this is something she would want to celebrate with him, necessarily, given - well, everything. 

He wonders if Alloran knows, yet, and what he thinks of it. 

He wonders if Aroden is reunited with Parmida, now, and if they're all right. 

...Eventually it occurs to him that the conditions are different, now, and his previous test might, maybe, come out differently. Or be more informative, if it comes out the same. 

He looks out at the shining water, and prays to Iomedae. It's - not easier, exactly, but it feels clearer, now, finding that mental motion, reaching out from the echoes of triumph and determination he felt when he heard, something bright and eternal and unyielding - that he made a promise, one he can't keep very effectively right now, but he isn't giving up, ever, and he recognizes that he has allies... 

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It feels less like falling, this time, more like flying into an intense wind. Maybe that's just the different bodies, interpreting the sensation differently. 

And then she's there, looking steadily at him.

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"You did it. I am glad."

He manages to say that much without faltering, and then it's suddenly much harder, and he can't hold onto any of the words that he swears he had a moment ago. 

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"We did it." Steadily. "The Yeerks and Andalites haven't signed their treaty yet but I expect them to. We're keeping an eye on it."

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"The others who were on my ship, did..." He can't quite shape that into a question. 

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"They're also dead. I think mostly in Nirvana and Heaven as well. We're prioritizing for resurrection anyone in a dangerous afterlife. It's - going to be a while. We don't actually have anyone who can cast True Resurrection for us, right now."

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He goes very still. "Oh. Nefreti...?" 

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"It would not surprise me to learn in a couple of centuries that she's up to something, somewhere. But she died, fighting Moloch, in the sixth level of Hell, and she's nowhere to be found now." Sigh. "Normally I could push someone up to ninth circle but I actually would be somewhat hard-pressed to heal a paper cut, right now. This was - costly."

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"I wish I could have - prepared faster, or something, been smarter, so it did not..." He trails off. "I wish I had been there to help. I am sorry I was not, and - very relieved that you won. I was scared." 

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"I think you acted reasonably given the information you had. I didn't expect Asmodeus to move when he did but that's - in significant part because I thought he'd lose if he did, and I thought he'd think so too." Shrug. "There's no more Foresight. Even We make mistakes sometimes. And maybe he correctly thought his odds would be even worse if we had another week to prepare."

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"Maybe." He tries, briefly, to imagine what it would be like to have Foresight as a sense and then lose it, be forever blinded on that aspect. He remembers, as well as his mind can, the glimpses of Aroden's Foresight-tinged memories.

What does he want, right now. 

"- Can you hug me?" This seems like a silly thing to ask of a god, but also it would help. He misses Carissa, and Iomedae isn't Carissa but there's - a facet of them that's alike, that he recognizes, and he feels a little less lost and unmoored.

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"Of course." And then She is hugging him, as if they're both human, sitting on a couch somewhere or something. 

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He rests in her arms, and - it's not that everything is okay, far from it, very many things are broken too thoroughly to repair and the past can't be undone and he's sure the awfulness isn't over - but he can exist, here, and this moment is good, and he isn't alone and he isn't scared.

And it's going to be a long time before she or Aroden can bring him back, but they will - and it's all right, being dead (heroically in battle against Hell, too) is a very good excuse not to be around doing politics, and he can be stronger at the end of it, if he has time now to rest.

"- How many souls," he says, eventually, very quietly. "In Hell. How many did we destroy." 

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"3.2billion," she says immediately.

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More than half the population of Earth.

Which...puts it into proportion, in a sense, because there are possible scenarios where the Andalites might have taken the same scorched-earth approach on Earth as Alloran chose on the Hork-Bajir world, he knows that.

3.2 billion people, and any of them could have been Carissa. 

"I am never going to stop looking for a way to bring them back - for them to be okay, too... I made a promise and it was to them, too, and I am not going to give up on that." 

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"Yes. I don't know a way, yet. But it's a big universe. And - Nethys sees - things beyond even that."

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"- Did the Andalites ever replicate my ship's hyperspace-drive design. Because - I think - maybe that could go further than our world to Golarion. Now...that we know to look..." 

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"Yes. They had to use that to get between planes, once Aroden and Nefreti were out of spells. They pieced it together, from what you sent them and from their records of observing you doing it. They said it was very clever. - grudgingly, and probably only because they expected you wouldn't hear it."

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He laughs. Far too much has happened for it to be offensive. "Fair enough. - I do keep wishing I had gotten to talk more with - Firayar, that was his name, I think. About his morph research, my own work was relevant to it but there was not time to finish explaining." 

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"There will be time."

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"I know. And - you do not need to hurry. I am...all right, here."

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"I know. Nirvana's - all right, for that.

Carissa is also all right."

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He had been shy about asking, for some reason, but he's glad that she said it without his needing to. "Thank you." 

It doesn't feel like there's anything else to be said, right now. He rests in her mostly-metaphorical arms, and feels a dozen emotions at once, tired and sad but also hopeful and proud, and right now, at least, none of the emotions are fear. 

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"You're going to float way out to sea and have a hard time getting back in the air," she says, after a little while. "The tide's coming in."

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"- Oh, right. Thank you. I - should go. ...If you talk to Carissa, at some point, could you tell her I am all right, too...?" 

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"She has not prayed to me and I do not expect her to. - if she does, of course I'll tell her."

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"Oh." He's not sure why he's surprised; had he assumed Carissa was working with Iomedae now because she ended up in Heaven? "...By the way, do you know who is alive who I could direct a Sending to, if I wanted to communicate with my people about obtaining better computers for Nirvana's trial records search engine?" 

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"Your people sent a Visser One, to the negotiations in Axis, and a Visser Nine, and sub-Vissers 3, 7, 12, 14, and 18."

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"Oh." He tries to remember which people the latter titles even correspond to; it feels like it's been such an incredibly long time. 

He has more questions, but he's not going to run out of questions for a while, and drifting too far out to sea would be annoying even if he would still be safe because Nirvana. "I should go back. I - thank you -" and he makes a deliberate effort to return to his body. 

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He is floating; waves are crashing around him, but not in a way that interferes with his floating. He's not that far from shore, yet. 

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It's sort of restful, in a weird way, letting the waves crash and not doing anything about it just yet, because it's not an emergency, because he doesn't need to react quickly in the face of possible danger. 

After a minute or two, though, he starts trying to take off and fly back to shore. 

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Taking off from water turns out to have some kind of trick to it, and his first several attempts fail, but after a while he can ride a wave up and get just enough air to take off from there.

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He makes it to shore, lands and rests and waits for the sun to dry his wings, and then takes off again; he finds that he doesn't want to be alone, right now, and since this is Nirvana it probably won't be long before he spots some people, and they're unlikely to shout at him and drive him away for wanting to hang out nearby. 

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There is a herd of deer, walking slowly through a meadow full of flowers. There are other birds, flying in formation in the sky.

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Mhalir joins the birds, though he's not sure he knows how to gracefully fit into their formation. 

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It turns out birds seem to have instincts for this, at least tolerable ones. No one challenging his flying prowess. 

"- if you just double the size of the isle, sure -"

"No, you're being too generous. If you increase the size of the isle by a factor of ten that might do it. And might not! They're going to be violent!"

"That's kind of racist."

"I - understand what I think you're trying to gesture at but I feel like you're not leaving me with a lot of vocabulary to make the point I am trying to make here which is an obviously true one."

"I think that if you take people in and are starting from assumptions - adjacent to the popular one that they're fundamentally not capable of Goodness - you're going to wrong them."

 

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"Are you talking about the people being evacuated from Hell?" he asks, eventually. 

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"Yes."

"There's going to be a couple hundred million. We usually get about a million a year, on the Isle."

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"That is - wow. You...might want to make more small Isles, instead of making the current one much bigger? I suspect if you concentrate them all in one place, their preexisting culture will have a stronger effect, and - it matters what the ratio is." 

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"Yep."

"I don't know if we can make more isles - or more precisely, I don't know who can -"

"They might need a different space anyway because - they're not going to start out in an appropriate shape, I don't think, since they're not our petitioners -"

"Will they learn eventually?"

"Yeah, I know a guy who was Elysium to start with. But - took him the better part of a century -"

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He's suddenly so curious! "How did someone start out in Elysium and then end up here later?" 

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"It takes thousands of years but you can get, eventually, the ability to travel the Outer Planes, and he did, and he came here, and he liked it and decided to stick around, I guess. Does trials occasionally when the being Chaotic gives him a useful angle."

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"Mmm." 

Mhalir falls silent, enjoying the feeling of the wind against his feathers, and how quietly satisfying it is to fit gracefully in with the other birds. It's an odd feeling; he wouldn't have expected it to be pleasant, but it is. 

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They fly along the coastline for a while, and then land as the sun sets in a dense pine forest that's having a light snowstorm; beneath the branches of the pine trees it is warm and dry.

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Mhalir finds a pinecone, pecks out some pine-nuts and eats them, offers another pinecone to the others. 

It's odd, Mhalir thinks, he both does and doesn't want to think about the future. He can think about now, and now stretching out indefinitely, forests and skies and seas and friendly people who want to help and want everyone to be okay - and he can sort of think about the someday when, instead, he's back in the material plane, dealing with Yeerk politics and whatever else happens, but it's an undetailed picture, an outline not yet filled in, and that makes it feel distant and unreal. 

Maybe that's fine. 

He's quiet, and eventually snuggles up in some pine needles and goes to sleep. 

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In the morning the snow is heavier, and has blanketed the trees enough to mostly block the sun. It is cozy and warm beneath the blanket of snow. Some of the other birds are working diligently at coaxing a sweet sticky tree-sap out onto the snow, where it freezes into maple candy.

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Mhalir stays for a while, helping them with this project and enjoying the results of it, and then bids the group goodbye and takes off again, flying high enough to get his bearings before aiming himself inland. 

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The landscape is fairly distinctive from the air, probably so people can find their way around easily. He can find Caroline's forest without too much difficulty.

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He feels stronger today, or maybe the wind is just more convenient, and he reaches the forest and Caroline's tree just before sundown, and descends toward the nest, looking around for her. 

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She's at the nest. "Mhalir! Did you hear? The fighting's over, they think. It's going to be all right."

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"I heard!" He recounts to her what he's picked up from the various people he talked to. 

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Wing-flutter. "It sounds awful. I hope some good can come of it. How are you feeling?"

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"...Good. Hopeful. - I prayed to Iomedae and She answered, this time. She said Carissa is all right and - that it is going to be a long time, they do not have anyone who can cast True Resurrection right now, but they are going to raise us eventually. Once they get everyone in a dangerous afterlife like Abaddon." He shrugs with one wing. "I told Her not to hurry." 

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"Oh! I'm happy for you."

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"I want to find someone who can do a Sending again, now that I know which of my people are in Axis for negotiations, I can ask if they are able to Plane Shift over a computer for the search engine to run on." 

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"We can go ask around. It's a rare skill but I'm sure we can find someone."

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Nod. "And - I might want to offer to help people adjust, when they start arriving here from Hell. I am not sure who I ought speak to about that?" 

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"I can introduce you to the arrivals coordinator for this region, they might or might not be directly involved but they'll certainly know who is."

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"All right. Tomorrow. Or maybe the day after, I might want longer to rest." 

And he finds that he wants snuggles, again, which are less satisfying when he's a grownup bird the same size as Caroline, so - maybe he'll see if he can focus on wanting that, wanting to be small but safe and cozy, and shift back to be a baby again. 

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And Caroline can snuggle him under her wing.

 

They get a letter back from Alloran the next day. He says he's running the search engine and storing all the transcripts on his chip; it's not specced for this and they're very constrained for storage, which makes it hard to do anything clever to improve the search procedure even though in principle there are many easy improvements to be had.

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Mhalir shapeshifts back to his adult bird form in the morning. 

"It is very generous of him to lend what is basically part of his brain to run this," he says to Caroline, thoughtful. He writes a reply saying that he intends to communicate with the Yeerk leadership in Axis and request computer equipment and a power source to run it; where should he have this sent, if he's able to obtain it? 

After sending that letter, he wants to fly around and ask people if they can do Sendings to Axis or know someone who can. 

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It takes longer than it did the first day, but eventually he can find someone who can do it.

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He has the message written out for them, and asks them to try to send it to Visser One, or Visser Nine if they can't reach her. 

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They can reach her fine. She replies acknowledging the message and saying she'll see what they can do.

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Mhalir can wait. 

He had been vaguely planning to go talk to the arrivals coordinator right away after this, but somehow it feels like he's done SO MANY THINGS, and now he wants the things to go away, and probably that means he needs a rest and instead of pushing himself, maybe he should go back to the nest and be a baby bird again for a little while. He has time for that, here, he doesn't need to hurry. 

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He does not! He can, instead, get wing-snuggles and rest.

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And eventually he does feel able to face the world and the prospect of having goals in it. 

Within a few weeks of hearing the news about the end of the war, it feel like he's settled back into a routine. One that feels more structured before, shaped by his expectations of the future, less formless with that uncertainty. But there's still a sort of timelessness in Nirvana. There aren't deadlines, or if there are, they're always the responsibility of people who've had much much longer to heal. Sometimes he wants to accomplish things and he does that; other times he wants to rest, and does that instead. 

Sometimes he feels very hopeful. Other times he just feels exhausted and sad. Most of the time he's some mix of both. Different blends are more or less conducive to different activities, and he's starting to learn how to recognize when he wants to be around people versus alone, and when he wants to build something versus just explore it without any particular endpoint in mind.

He likes working on the computer system for Nirvana, the technical aspect more than the logistical one, but both are satisfying in their own way. He doesn't, at any point, try to talk to Alloran face to face; for a long time it's mostly that he's afraid, and eventually he notices that he isn't, anymore, but it also doesn't feel like it would be productive on either side. Letters are fine. 

He spends more time away from the nest, exploring on his own, sometimes choosing to be a bigger bird like a hawk or eagle. At some point he thinks to tell Caroline that he'd be fine if she got another baby bird now, though he still expects to come back every once in a while. 

Welcoming new arrivals from Hell, when that eventually happens, is more exhausting, but also feels like it holds some sort of nutrient that he hadn't realized he was hungry for. He can do it as long as it doesn't have to be in a very goal-oriented way. 

Time passes. He wonders what Carissa is doing in Heaven, sometimes, but he doesn't send any more messages; it doesn't feel that there's any more information to be conveyed between them. They'll see each other again, someday, and by then both of them will be readier for it. 

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It is about eight months later that he feels - a tug, and a sense of utter certainty about what it means, which is that the lawful neutral Khemet III, pharaoh of Osirion, is trying to resurrect him, and he can stay or he can go.

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- it would be nice if there were time to say goodbye to the people he knows here, he thinks for an instant. But - it's fine. He can do a Sending, if he wants, later, and it's not like any of them are going to be offended. 

He goes. 

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Being alive is - obscurely different from being dead in a thousand different ways that are overwhelming and unpleasant and hard to catalogue, and then someone is picking him up and holding him to an ear -

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For a moment everything is aaaaaaaaah and somehow he had forgotten what it was like to be small and helpless and mostly-blind here, in a plane not made with soft edges and safety rails, a place where bad things can and do happen to people for no reason at all, and he's scared...

He remembers how to stop struggling, and instead just wait, focus on the quiet calm part of him cataloguing what he knows so far. Which is that he's probably in Osirion, and it seems very unlikely the pharaoh, Abadar's representative, would resurrect him at great cost in order to hurt him. 

He can't tell if the ear is Carissa's, yet, but he slips in anyway. 

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It's her.

She has not been in Nirvana. She wanted Axis, and woke up in Heaven fairly displeased about it, and Heaven has places where you can heal but they don't push, that hard, if you say you'd rather be doing things. 

She wasn't sure if she'd rather be doing things. She still has only the barest grasp of what things she wants in a way that's not about protecting herself and most of what was on that list was - not letting billions of people be destroyed in a pointless war. She doesn't want to fight in it. There are people in Heaven who agree with her, about that, there are Heavenly debates in Heavenly debate halls, and she attends some but it doesn't help because they're still coming from a different place than her, they still hate Hell, and a lot of it turns on whether people in Hell can be redeemed which she's increasingly in doubt of. She doesn't feel very redeemed. She doesn't think it has anything to do with whether you should live forever.

There is a layer of Heaven for living on a quiet peaceful farm where the harvests are always good, raising children won over in the Boneyard, and that doesn't appeal either.

They need people in occupied Hell to orient the new petitioners - most of them Chelish, since several million Chelish people died in the war - and that doesn't appeal either but it, you know, matters, so she goes and does it. She spends every day dreading meeting people she recognizes but she never does because several million is a lot of people. She tells them that Heaven won, and Heaven's idea for the shape of them isn't like Asmodeus's mostly in that it's harder to achieve without their willing cooperation, and that without that they haven't figured out how to get people sent to Hell into the shape Heaven can use yet but they're not going to destroy the ones they can't use any more than Asmodeus would have. And that if they are interested in cooperating with getting acceptably shaped, they'll want to aim at curiosity, at understanding how Lawful Good people think, being unable to believe it is surprisingly okay but they're going to have to be able to model it.

The other Lawful Good people here to do this work think that's a disturbing and horrible summary but the recently-dead people seem to be able to make use of it. They're negotiating something with Axis to take them on a sort of probation. She thinks that's good. Axis sounds more - reasonable. After a while she ventures the opinion that if she'd been to Axis she could explain their options more effectively, and they let her go, and it's upsetting because Axis is much much nicer than Heaven, much more a place she can make sense of, much more a place it wouldn't hurt to be. She goes back to Hell and helps recommend people for temporary Lawful Neutral status. 

After six months someone says that maybe she could advise the angel whose job it is to convince people damned to Abaddon to pick Hell instead, some people don't trust them and there's probably a better way to do it. She switches to doing that. It's significantly more fun, somehow. The stakes are higher and it's all about - connecting with people, understanding what they want next, convincing them there's something better than being eaten, and she does believe that, and -

- and Mhalir was neutral evil, when she met him, though she's heard from him now and he's in Nirvana and he's fine -

- she's good at talking people into picking Hell. She's really good at it. They're only allowed one person in each argument but they're allowed silent observers who don't disturb the petitioners and she gets crowds of them, trying to understand. She realizes that she has really missed feeling clever and admirable and the best at things, and that this is realistically something she isn't going to have much of ever again but - maybe she can find a little bit of it, in odd enough corners of the multiverse. She does it every day. She gets warned to stop because she'll burn out but - they've been told there'll be a resurrection, eventually. She can stop then. 

She stopped an hour ago, when she got a tug from the pharaoh of Osirion. He said he had to prepare the next day's spells and then he'd get her Mhalir and - 

- honestly she has kind of mixed feelings, not about Mhalir who she is very glad to see again but about how often and how thoroughly everything keeps changing. She thinks she's allergic to it. Things should stop that. And - and now she can go see Cheliax, and it's going to be awful, she can see that from the other side, and she's scared, and -

hey, she thinks vaguely. 

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There are a thousand productive conversations they need to have, and Mhalir isn't starting any of them, right now, because instead he's busy being FURIOUS with Iomedae and with the court and whoever else was involved in sending Carissa to Heaven when it would hurt her.

He can entirely believe that she helped huge numbers of people with the work she did there, and he's still furious, because - she was already hurt worse than he was, before the moment he dropped both of them into vacuum (a note of desperate apology, it was the right thing to do given the alternatives but he's so sorry for getting her killed)... 

He's angry that Heaven was so - the wrong shape for her - and that someone decided that the world would be better if he had a place and a time to heal, but didn't give Carissa that. He's spent the last, gods, it must be almost a year, trying desperately to believe that Carissa was okay, and she wasn't and she would have been - maybe not all the way, but more okay in Axis, and he doesn't understand. 

All of that comes across in a tangle of not-quite-verbalized thoughts, before he can form any words. <I missed you.> 

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Missed you too. 

And she's confused about his anger, she's pretty sure that people do not get sorted to wherever will best lead to their flourishing as a person, they get sorted to wherever they supposedly belong. It might've been dumb to do the Atonement because then maybe the Evil and Good would've cancelled out but they didn't.

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Mhalir isn't confused. He agrees that the system is what it is, and probably no one in it except all the lawyers from Nirvana are trying to sort people based on what will lead to their flourishing - he read a lot of court case transcripts, when he was helping them figure out keyword indexing - but - that doesn't mean he has to like the system or agree with it or conclude that it's how reality ought to be in addition to how reality is.

He, too, doesn't think that being 'redeemed', if that's even a coherent concept, should have anything to do with whether someone gets to live forever and achieve their goals and have nice things. He wants that for everyone but he especially wants it for Carissa, because - well, maybe he doesn't have a principled reason for that, but it's how he feels and he's a lot better at knowing his feelings, now. 

He wishes, for a moment, that he could kidnap Carissa again and take her back to Nirvana with him and give her the months he had there. Probably this isn't the thing to do next, because there's a pileup of urgent problems, and he was able to be equanimous about not doing anything when his options for doing things were so constrained, but now he has levers on the world again and the problems are looming back in his awareness - 

- whatever they do, though, Mhalir thinks, he wants it to be both of them together deciding on it. He's not going to run off with Carissa's body to achieve his goals; it's going to be their goals, once they figure out what those are. 

And in the present, possibly he should pay attention to Carissa's sensory input, which is also overwhelming and distracting and unpleasant but he can deal with that. Where are they? 

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They're in the palace in Osirion. She is kneeling on the floor because that's the rules, though the pharaoh has definitely said softly twice in the last minute that they can sit comfortably. She's wearing clothes the palace provided. The Yeerks paid for these resurrections, and they're here, presumably expecting Mhalir to speak to them.

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Mhalir moves their body to sit comfortably, makes eye contact with the pharaoh for a moment, then turns to the Yeerk leadership who've come out for this. 

"Do you have an update for me?" 

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They do. They're selling spellsilver on Golarion and purchasing magic items, including ones that function as replacements for Kandrona. They've gone public on Earth, which was eventful and things there are kind of messy now, and they've withdrawn from a couple of other planets which are less desirable for hosts if they're not fighting a war with the Andalites. They have more specific world-by-world updates. The Andalites abided by the ceasefire, and now there's a peace treaty, which the Yeerks consider somewhat unfairly harsh though it must be conceded that the Andalites think it's far too generous. There's a host shortage, as was predictably going to happen when they stopped taking involuntary hosts, but if they can turn things around on Earth or get permission to take Golarion hosts it should be possible to fix. (The peace treaty barred taking new Golarion hosts for a year because the Andalites were way more frightened by Golarion hosts and also considered consent on Golarion, what with all its slavery and mind-control and Charm Person and religions and evil afterlives, to be significantly more complicated to navigate than on any other planet. The Andalites promised to spend the year researching things like 'if a Yeerk controls someone how does that affect that person's eventual afterlife sortition' and to reconsider at the end of it, but they'll probably drag their heels then too, because Andalites suck. (There are some hanging out here in Osirion, if he wants to talk to them while he's here.)

Aroden is ruling Cheliax. Most of its major cities were reduced almost to rubble during the war and the Yeerks are helping them rebuild with electricity and modern sewer systems and things.

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It's a not-very-gentle reminder that the world didn't stop moving while he was dead; that things kept happening, often not in the way he would have preferred, and nothing he does now will buy back the chance to have influenced those months now in the past. 

Mhalir listens, asks the appropriate questions. Tries not to show how much he's feeling alternately overwhelmed and very distant from it. Being alive continues to be obscurely unpleasant. He wonders if on some level he had been imagining that having Carissa back would fix everything that was still wrong, and obviously it didn't, and the work still to be done is looming very large now. 

He would like to speak to the Andalites here, he tells his people once he's fully caught up. (It's unclear that he actually wants to; his emotions keep instead clamouring for random things like 'get very drunk with Carissa' or 'go spend a week making magic items', but talking to the Andalites feels important, in a way that gives him energy for it rather than just leaving him more tired.) 

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His people think that makes sense. They'll leave a shuttle here for him with briefings on everything on the computers.

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He thanks them politely. It still feels weird, like he's not really meant to be here and it must be some kind of mistake, but probably he just needs to get used to it. 

<Carissa, is there anything you want to do first before we talk to the Andalites?> he asks her. 

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She is also thinking that being back alive is kind of hard. Which is bizarre, she wanted it more than anything, at first. 

She tries a cantrip, just to remind herself she remembers how it works. 

I want an hour. I don't know what I want it for, just.

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<Of course. Do you want to - walk around, or find somewhere we can be alone, or something else...?> 

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Find somewhere, I guess?

"Can we have a room?" she asks a servant.

       "Yes, of course. This way."

The room is windowless but otherwise lovely. She flops on the bed. Sorry. I know you have a lot to do.

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<I think both of us have a lot to do, but - being alive again is overwhelming and there is a lot to orient to again. And...I think it might be quite important for us to catch up a bit first, since we by necessity need to work together closely, and - I think we have had very different experiences recently so that is disorienting.> 

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Carissa is not actually sure she has a lot to do separately from Mhalir. Her family is probably dead. Her country is definitely dead. They're going to automate the making of magic items. (That's an oversimplification, she reminds herself, they are never going to be able to do complex ones that way, but -) Obviously no one would have resurrected her in particular if Mhalir weren't attached or if there weren't a moratorium on new Golarion hosts, and that's fine, she was okay at being dead, she was probably going to eventually end up some kind of angel diplomat, she would've been all right. 

How was Nirvana?

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<It was - good for me, I think, but often very frustrating. Nirvana was very opinionated that when I first arrived I ought to be a baby bird. I hated it. I think I - did learn something useful, eventually, that I did not need to be scared all the time, but it also did not feel as though Nirvana cared whether I was on board with this approach.> 

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That is not very surprising. Even the nice afterlives aren't - human-shaped, they're shaped for other things, they're meant to shape you for other things. Except the chaotic ones I guess but I don't know that they're safe. And except Axis, which - is kind of pointing you at a thing but it's a harmless thing.

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<Axis sounds - nice. Like it is - more just a container full of things built by people, for people? I do think that I learned things from being in Nirvana that I am not sure I would have gotten in Axis, but still.>

Sigh. <Nirvana is so...unhurried. It is not even that I disagreed with them, that I would be able to accomplish things more effectively in the long run if I had some time to rest and recover, but - it was very hard to convey why I wanted to heal efficiently. I think I made reasonably efficient use of the time I had, though, I had not realized how much I was tired all the time before, and I am not anymore.> 

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Carissa thinks she is maybe tired all the time. How do you heal of being tired all the time if a spell won't do it.

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<...Well, there were points when I spent days not doing anything and just sleeping. I am not sure how much the sleep is what mattered, though, it might have been more - convincing myself that I was allowed to rest, and then I did not need to feel tired in order to stop doing things that hurt? I am not sure how to explain that, because it is not as though I thought anyone was banning it before. The person who was taking care of me at first, her name was Caroline, was always very adamant that if I wanted something it was probably what I needed to be more okay, and I think that is an oversimplification, but I got better at noticing what I was feeling, and...that feeling tired was not just a single thing, it could be any of a dozen things, like - sometimes it was that I missed Seerow and felt hopeless that I cannot bring him back, and that is a bit like being tired in that it also results in not wanting to do any things, but it is easier to resolve once it is specific.> 

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Huh.

 

 

Carissa thinks she is mostly tired of terrible things happening and of being in way above her weight class so everyone is much more impressive and powerful than her. She does not think that she's tired because if she's tired she won't have to do things, she won't have to do things either way really. 

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<I think you are having to do things? The whole time I knew you, you were applying a great deal of cognitive effort toward - figuring out if there were things you could do, or shapes you could be, that would result in being safer. And you need to do more of that if you are constantly in way above your weight class. I...I think that is much of why I was tired before. Not that I called it that, but - I was constantly facing enemies who were very clever and powerful, it did not feel as though I had a choice to opt out of this, and this was exhausting. And unfortunately I think that part is not over, but...it helped a lot, for me, being more able to pick apart that the thing I was feeling was 'scared that my enemies were cleverer than me.' And noticing that if I did have a choice, I would still opt in, because I am fighting for things that matter to me. But I think it might take longer for you to be able to feel that way and have it help.> 

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Carissa doesn't think she has enemies, really, anymore. Asmodeus, pinned up in his level of Hell with Andalite ships and Heavenly armies swarming the fifth layer of Hell to attack if He tries anything. There's the Mantis God, who was apparently mostly annoyed that they blew up his domain, and who could kill them anytime but ...probably won't bother? There's the Andalites, who as much as she instinctively distrusts them haven't actually done anything aside from obstruct the Yeerks. There's Rovagug. Her understanding is that He's actually rather stupid. Her problem is not so much that she has powerful enemies - if that were the case she'd just obviously be dead - it's that she has powerful - acquaintances? And that's not really a problem either because if not for that she would be, again, dead and in Hell.

She has a choice to opt out of it in a sense, she could ask him to drop her off in Axis with a lot of money, probably, but it feels stupid to do that. And she missed him.

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Mhalir would absolutely drop her off in Axis temporarily, if what she needs is a year of routine and normalcy and nothing terrible happening near her. 

It would hurt, though. He missed her too. He - feels more like he's at a starting position where he can do this at all, now, rather than constantly falling while the pieces of the world refuse to hold still around him, but a lot of that feeling is predicated on Carissa being there. 

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She doesn't think she wants to spend a year in Axis. She doesn't really know what she - she wants to go back in time, somehow, and make it all go better - 

- she wants to have more feelings about what they're doing that are - positive, about what they'll achieve, instead of about not losing even more, not losing the only person in the universe who cares about her particularly and specifically and is invested in her being alive -

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Mhalir knows the wanting to go back in time feeling very well. He's dwelled on his own feelings of that nature enough. But - yes, he would be happier if Carissa had positive feelings too, even if the grief of the lost past never really goes away.

There are a lot of things that feel heavy, to him, Yeerk-Andalite politics and helping the Yeerks figure out agreements for hosts and rebuilding so many things from rubble, literal and metaphorical. But there are a few things that feel bright and clear and sparkly. He wants to go shopping get Carissa replacements for all the magic artifacts she lost along with her previous body, and bring her such a big pile of spellsilver, and he wants to talk to the Andalite morph researcher and finish exploring that avenue... He thinks they should talk to Aroden and find out what spells he has and whether he'll share them with Carissa, because honestly he kind of owes them that, and there are many disadvantages to having powerful acquaintances, but that might be one of the advantages. 

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- Aroden is one of the most powerful spellcasters in the history of the entire world and also ruling Cheliax these days and it's hard to believe he'd bother with them, whatever Nefreti said, but she is willing to try it.

She would really like to go get replacements for all her incredibly expensive magic items, that is an actively exciting thought, and she maybe wants to work out a magic item that shows which of a Yeerk or human are piloting, it seems like it might get the Andalites to relax somewhat about their no-Golarion-hosts rule which is a STUPID rule because there are lots of people who'd take a Yeerk so their children don't starve and this is an argument for Yeerks not against them. 

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<It is both that and an argument that we should share our tech with Golarion as fast as possible until no one is living in that kind of poverty, but - yes, I think such an artifact would be valuable. In Nirvana I was thinking of ways that Yeerks could pay human hosts for a certain time-share of control, but the Andalites would definitely want that to be enforceable.> 

They can go shopping first, then, whenever Carissa is ready, he can get money from the shuttle that his people left for him. 

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Carissa feels much readier to go shopping than to talk to the Andalites. They can go now.

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Sothis has some shops, but maybe they can also buy a scroll of Teleport and head to Absalom, or fly over in the shuttle, it won't take very long. 

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She bets they're going to have to special-order a lot of the stuff she had before but they can give Sothis's and Absalom's magic shops a try.

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That makes sense. 

Mhalir pays attention to how Sothis and Absalom feel different, in both subtle and obvious ways. Most places feel different after there's been an unusually destructive and awful war, and he thinks it's informative how they change. 

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Sothis is wrecked near the coast (there was a tidal wave) and managing well farther inland; there are more Avistani people than you'd have seen before, presumably ones who fled the war. They mostly look pinched and miserable about the heat, which the locals are much more accustomed to. 

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Carissa scans instinctively for familiar faces even though that's stupid because there are lots of people in Cheliax, and anyway Corentyn's population is the least likely to have made it all the way here. (Corentyn's population is unlikely to have made it anywhere; the war was with Rahadoum, to the immediate south, and the whole Inner Sea was involved. Maybe they'd have tried for a boat to Varisia, if they had opportunity to do anything at all. 

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Absalom also has lots of displaced people. It's unclear if it has more than Sothis because they don't stand out ethnically and on the other hand are not legally proscribed from begging and therefore cluster the streets, looking pitiable, with their children. 

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He wants to give them money but that's probably not the most scalable method of responding to this, so instead he asks around about charities or soup kitchens aimed at helping the displaced refugees, he can give those some of his money. 

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The Good churches usually offer that. They're reasonably well-funded but will accept more money. People are wary of them but usually show up when they're hungry enough, and are less wary about coming back.

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He donates a quantity of money which is negligible for him overall but probably seems bizarrely generous here, and then they can head back, and...maybe get a night's sleep before talking to the Andalites, since Carissa's shiny new Ring of Sustenance won't be in effect until the end of the week and so she needs the usual human amount of sleep again. 

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Carissa is cheered by having some of her magic items back and orders placed for the others. She sleeps.

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In the morning, Mhalir checks if she’s now feeling up for him going to talk to the Andalites.

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Sure. As long as you do the talking to them.

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<I can do that.>

He asks one of the Palace servants where he can find the Andalites staying here.

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They are still in their demiplane that opens into a conference room. It has been spruced up, and now has computers, another entrance, which opens on a forcefield of Andalite design, and some shielded spaces for magic experimentation. 

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He heads over, waits politely for someone to acknowledge him rather than barging in. 

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<- Visser Three> someone says after a moment. <Uh, congratulations on your safe return to life.>

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"- Thank you?" It feels like an awkward response but he has no idea what would be more appropriate here. "I wished to check in with your people here. - Is Firayar still around?" 

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<Yes. War-Prince Firayar!>

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He lopes over. <What?>

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There are a lot of diplomatic formalities he should probably say first, but: "...I did not have a chance to finish our conversation about morph research."

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<Right, because you died. It's figured out now, except for interactions with the local magic system which are going to be a nightmare.> Tail-lash. <I can send over the project and you can try to look at it to get up to speed?>

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"Oh. Yes, thank you, I would appreciate that. Also, who should I talk to about the politics required for Andalites to be comfortable with Golarion hosts more generally?" 

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Impatient tail-flick. <Not me. Matirin, probably.> He gestures at Matirin, who is elsewhere talking to some other Andalites.

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"Thank you." 

He is way less interested in this conversation, but he won't be able to usefully keep up in the interesting part until he's caught up on their progress in the interim, and figuring out this part is important even if it's not as shiny. He heads over, greets Matirin politely, asks the same question but with more detail. 

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<- honestly most of it is that the locals are very powerful and it makes us nervous, and that'll get better over time with more work on un-enslaving everybody. The other things we're looking at are - a lot of the Osirian state's system relies on truth spells, which are easy to circumvent if you can vary who is speaking; we are unsure the effects it'll have on peoples' afterlives, and that's a pretty major uncertainty to ask them to embrace, considering how bad some of the afterlives are; we are having a vicious internal debate about whether it's our business that they have slavery themselves and depending on the outcome of that might intervene a bunch more here...>

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He agrees that all of those concerns are reasonable, and describes Carissa's idea for an artifact that could show who was in control or speaking at a given moment, which might help with the Truth Spell-related concerns? 

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That does sound very helpful, for truth spells and also for various other concerns about situations where people might have the right to know if there's a Yeerk present. For example Andalites kind of think that sexual partners have a right to know that? The locals disagree but Matirin thinks this is because they don't have the concept of consent for sex anyway. 

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...Mhalir is a Yeerk and he suspects that results in him being sort of inherently baffled about both human and Andalite sex, but it does seem like some of the locals' beliefs here are concerning in a broader way, reflective of the overall thing where they're used to existing in scarcity and under threat? He suspects that both Yeerks and sex would be less fraught if those conditions no longer held. 

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That is as Matirin understands it a very Nirvanan perspective about it, and probably correct. If the vicious internal debate goes the way he's hoping, then Andalites will be helping with ensuring the conditions stop holding, and at that point he'll of course be happy for Yeerks to have voluntary local hosts. 

- Carissa is outside the parameters agreed upon in the peace treaty, because she was kidnapped and Yeerked involuntarily at first, he's trusting them both that it's fine and that Carissa's time dead can count as time free to consider whether she wants him back but Mhalir should be aware that if it turns out not fine it will sow significant distrust about how well the peace treaty is being abided by.

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...Does Matirin want him to leave Carissa's head for a bit so he can ask her without any chance of interference? 

(It occurs to Mhalir a moment later that he should have checked first if Carissa is up for this, and he sends a vague sense of apology at her.) 

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<I trust the pharaoh, especially on matters I know myself to have a blind spot about. And the pharaoh is confident you would not lie about who is moving your body. I am not sure he can be wrong about things like that. He's very magic.> He's faintly jealous.

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"I," Carissa says, "got a choice about whether I wanted to come back to life, and did, and it'd be entirely reasonable for Mhalir's people who spent thirty thousand gold raising me from the dead to have done that in the expectation that I'd host Mhalir afterwards as I have already agreed to do in the past, but instead of expecting that Mhalir said I could go spend a year in Axis being a rich person, if it'll make me feel better."

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<Thank you. You think we're being - immature, and stubborn at the expense of some very important things.>

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"Yes. You're - even richer than Mhalir's people - you could just solve everything -"

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<We are trying to! But last time we tried we made a really bad mistake and now we're trying to definitely not do that again and it's not trivial.>

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Mhalir doesn't say anything. It's a very effortful not-saying-anything and he's leaking to Carissa more than he would maybe intend.

He - doesn't think that Seerow obviously made a mistake? Not the first part, anyway, the technology-sharing; that still feels bright and blazing and right to him. 

He misses Seerow so much and he wishes they could bring him back for just thirty thousand gold, that would be so cheap, and - they can't - because the universe is broken and unfair and there was no one, not even Asmodeus, to hold onto his pattern when he died. 

He's so angry with Seerow, for not talking to him, not having that one additional step of patience and charitability, to check if he was understanding correctly what the Yeerks meant and intended to do...

...and he understands why, because Seerow was scared, because he felt under threat, and Mhalir himself has a hundred times noticed his uncertainty and decided he didn't have the luxury of giving the benefit of the doubt or waiting to learn more - 

There are so many feelings he has that he didn't have handles for, before, and are now so much clearer to him, and - he's not sure if there's anything at all useful that he can say, here, given all the history between their two peoples, but - he wants Carissa to understand that he doesn't judge Matirin for feeling that way. It's very reasonable of him. 

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She's kind of impressed with Nirvana. And kind of unsure, whether the fact they can push people in that direction makes them right, or whether that even means anything.

"You didn't - weigh a thousand different considerations and err in favor of nonintervention - when it came to fighting Hell."

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< - you had nine planes ruled by a very intelligent evil god who had billions of people in his service. It's - bad, obviously, it's getting worse every day, and Asmodeus had the intelligence and resources to, if we didn't act very quickly, make it impossible to do anything. The general situation is also bad but it's not intelligent and opposed to us, it doesn't get worse if we think.>

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"People die who can't come back. On the other planets."

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<Yes. More of them, if you - spark a war, by trying to roll out technology stupidly. I think that we should figure out how to share a modified version of morph that gives people the healing and de-aging with everyone. I think that is probably what we'll decide once we discuss it. But...we want our approach to fail more gracefully than it did this time. We know that we're paying for that in innocent people dead forever. I'm sorry.>

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" - no one - cares about - people from other worlds. They just don't. I don't - believe you, that you're weighing that, appropriately, or at all...and why would you, no one ever does -"

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<...I think Cheliax was worse than most places, and in some of them this would seem less implausible. But certainly - people are worse at caring about faraway people, both in the sense that many of them do care about them less and in the sense that even if you care about them your guesses about how to do right by them will be worse. This is - part of what the original interest in morph was for, actually, before the war. Interworld diplomacy. That you can understand people better if you can - see the world how they see it.>

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"Have Andalites morphed Yeerk?"

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<...yes. We don't like it.>

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"Just seems like Yeerks might be better than morph for that thing. For - seeing how other people see the world. Not missing big pieces of it."

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<...maybe. Some of us have morphed Yeerk to - look at our alts. To understand the alternate universe versions of people thing.>

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"Huh. You?"

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<My corresponding local is the pharaoh of Osirion. He is not sure it'd be safe to be in his head because Abadar is. And he knows a lot of state secrets. We just talk.>

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"Iomedae can talk to Mhalir and I at the same time fine."

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<My understanding is that the gods who were never human are more dangerous to try to directly speak to.> Tail-shrug.

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<I think that is true> Mhalir says to Carissa. <And - remember how I was after I went into Aroden's head - and he was an ascended-human god, even. I think Iomedae does a great deal to shelter and protect us, when we talk to her.> He remembers the sense of falling and being caught, or scooped out of an unbearable wind. 

...He's feeling very tired again, right now, and probably it's some more specific thing than 'tired', which he can address more usefully if he knows what it is, and also he promised Carissa that he would do the talking here and instead she's done what seems like most of it. Though he thinks she did a very good job. Better than he could have. 

"I understand that you are under many constraints," he says to Matirin, hoping it comes across that his dislike here is for said constraints and not toward Matirin personally. "- Is there anything else we should talk about now." 

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<I don't think so. My father is sending you his morph research?>

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"Yes, he said he would." 

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<Good. You can let me know if anything comes up that we can be helpful with.>

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"I will." 

And he leaves the Andalites in their nice demiplane, and heads back to their room in the palace. Probably at some point they should arrange a different place to stay, decide what they're doing next, where... But right now, he wants a comfortable place with walls and no one bothering them. 

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Eventually she wants a place in Absalom, she thinks, if it's safe now. Or they can consider Cheliax but it seems likely it'll just make her sad. Somewhere where she can talk to other wizards about her research.

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Absalom seems good for that. Aroden's wife and daughter lived there, he remembers vaguely, though they might have moved over to Cheliax with him now. Maybe Mhalir and Carissa can relocate to Cheliax in a couple of years, once more rebuilding has happened, so it won't be such a constant reminder of tragedy, and once she's had some more time to process. 

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And once they can see what the country is like under Aroden's rule, yeah. She hasn't the slightest idea what to expect. He is presumably responsible for Rahadoum banning the gods and she didn't see much of Rahadoum while she was there and Cheliax isn't Rahadoum, anyway, and he's personally indulgent but she doesn't know what to expect about how that'll extend to his secret police and so forth.

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Mhalir still feels like Carissa is somehow making predictions from within the wrong frame, here, but it's not like he himself has especially clear expectations, yet. They can wait and see. 

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She goes back to her room and climbs into the bed and under the covers. She feels disoriented, and a bit guilty, and a bit scared, and none of that makes any sense. 

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It doesn't not make sense to Mhalir. The world feels very disorienting to him too, right now. 

...He's curious about the guilt, though, mostly because that's a flavour of emotion he almost never feels and so it's less automatically understandable to him. 

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She mostly doesn't do that either. She's not sure what's up with it. She thinks she believes - Mhalir went away and got better, and it'd be fairer to him if she'd also done that, and he was disappointed that she instead just did a lot of trying to talk people into Hell, and probably it was the wrong thing to do since their functionality from here forward might be more important? And Mhalir's not going to get mad about it because very low standards so instead she feels guilty? Objectively this is stupid, though.

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Huh. 

No, Mhalir isn't disappointed, or worried about the fairness to him. He - was upset about the situation at first, finding out that she spent much of the last year hurting, while he spent it learning how not to be hurting all the time, which it turns out is a really difficult skill. And he finds it upsetting to think about Carissa being in pain, because he cares about her, because almost by definition that's what caring about someone means, and of course he isn't disappointed in her about it, that would be silly. 

It feels like that's an entirely separate thing from whether her talking people into Hell rather than Abaddon was the 'right thing to do', which - he thinks it probably was, given the options made available to her, it's not like anyone was offering her any of the space and support she would have needed to instead learn how not to be in pain. (Also it seems like that part hurt her less than the rest, she found it enjoyable, she was good at it, it seems like she - learned something about herself and what matters to her, from doing it? Which feels valuable to him in a long-term way as well.) 

Mhalir's feelings on it are conflicted, because on some level he wishes he'd been instead offered levers to achieve things he cared about on a larger scale. He did get something valuable out of the last year, but - maybe not as valuable as however many souls still exist because of Carissa's work, and would otherwise be eaten and gone? It's not that he feels guilty about not doing as much as her, exactly, but there's a wistfulness there, a sense of something-lost, even if something else was gained instead. 

He doesn't know. It all feels very unclear, and maybe it's not the thing that matters anyway, it's in the past and now the present and future are what they have to deal with. 

...he does really hope that he can help Carissa find a way to be less tired and hurting all the time. It's really nice, not being in pain. 

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It sounds really nice. She's - blaming all of the getting kidnapped and imprisoned and rekidnapped and reimprisoned and killed and stuff but - she is not actually sure she wasn't in pain before that. And she doesn't really think she'd feel better, if she imagines somehow having survived the war, huddled in Corentyn trying to figure out whether to flee the country and how to not attract notice. She's not clear on what Aroden was doing with former soldiers. If it were her she'd let them buy a pardon for approximately all they are worth plus a commitment of future work for the crown, a couple of years worth, and if not for the Andalites maybe make them all take a Yeerk if they want to go free.

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He doesn't know what Aroden is planning either. It seems complicated. Mhalir thinks Cheliax was a place that hurt most of the people living in it, before, and the war was even worse for that, and now that damage is there and won't go away just because the war is over, to him it's one among many looming weights that need to be carried.

Mhalir wants Carissa to be okay, and also he desperately needs her help for the project of helping everyone else be okay, and - that's something they're going to need to find the best way to juggle, short versus long-term, he's not sure yet how that's going to end up looking. 

He's hopeful about it, though. 

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Firayar sends over his explanation of where he's at with morph research, which Mhalir can mostly make sense of especially once Carissa's headband is reacquired.The rest of her magic items trickle in. She asks around about news about Cheliax but doesn't hear much more than what she already knew, which is that it's rebuilding. Corentyn was particularly devastated, of course, being the place from which the attack on Rahadoum was launched and the place where Rahadoum struck back. She doesn't seek out information about anybody in particular. 

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Mhalir goes over Firayar's explanation repeatedly until he's fairly sure that none of his remaining confusion is about something obvious or stupid that he could figure out on his own, and then sends over a list of questions and comments. 

He also finds out who his people were in contact with over at Aroden's administration in Cheliax, and sends a message to Aroden politely requesting time to meet, non urgently, he understands Aroden is very busy. 

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Aroden is very busy, but someone from his palace staff answers by the end of that day, with a meeting time and place suggested for two weeks from now. 

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Firayar sends a very curt but helpful reply a few hours later; some of the questions are thereby answered but some just clarify that he's doing something very complex and difficult.

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Mhalir isn't offended at all by the terseness. Again, he pores over it for a long time on his own, in between various accumulating commitments, and manages to at least narrow down some of his remaining confusion, and a few days later sends another list of questions, as well-specified and thereby easy to answer as possible. 

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He replies again a few hours later suggesting Mhalir just come by, it'll be faster.

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Sure, he'll do that. It's still nervewracking to go interact with Andalites in person, but Mhalir thinks that he needs to get used to this sooner or later anyway. 

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<Mhalir. Can you just read my mind about it? We'll waste less time. That's what I did with my alt, to pick up arcane magic.>

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Mhalir is sufficiently surprised that it takes him an entire ten seconds to formulate an answer. "That - would be much more efficient, if you are willing to do that." 

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<You can have ten minutes, I have a model running and it's not going to finish until then.>

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"...Sure." Ten minutes is plenty this way, he thinks, Yeerk mindreading is very efficient and he's particularly practiced at it. 

He's also terrified, but it's recognizably the flavour of fear that doesn't have much to do with Firayar or this situation in particular, and it's easy to dissolve and ignore. 

<I will be back soon> he says to Carissa, and extracts himself from her head. Waits. 

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Firayar picks him up and offers him his ear.

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This is not a point where being scared will influence any decisions and so he mostly isn't. He slips in. 

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He is very smart; he was already and then he got a headband and now he's even smarter and he loves it. 

He was making progress on improvements to morph even before this and it all came together once he had the headband and six uninterrupted months. Now he's trying to shove all of his thinking about morph at Mhalir. This worked quite well when he morphed Yeek to learn arcane magic from his alt; he came out of it capable of casting first level spells, and apparently you have to practice to improve from there, which is frustrating but at least he can practice illusion-spells while he works if he uses them for visualization. 

He is not thinking at all about Mhalir being Visser Three; he died, for one thing, and it feels rude to hold against someone things they did before they died and repented and had an afterlife and all, and also Mhalir seems clever so it'd be a waste for him to be stuck being Visser Three and never getting to do anything worthwhile.

 

 

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Mhalir spends half a second noticing, privately, that this is - sweet, of him. He also would prefer not to be stuck spending much time being Visser Three, there are historical reasons why he still has some political responsibilities among his people but he's hoping to steer toward less of that rather than more.

Firayar's mind is GREAT. Mhalir is not nearly as clever. He was just very, very stubborn and motivated for the one particular application of multiple morph tethers that he wanted, and spent a decade hammering his way through one obstacle after another, and what he figured out in the end wasn't elegant or scalable or even something where he totally understood all the parts, but it did work. He has enough to go on from it that at least he's pretty sure where his gaps are, and can pull on those threads specifically in Firayar's head, making ruthlessly efficient use of his precious ten minutes. It's delightful, how he doesn't even have to think his questions in words

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It's not annoying or distracting! He wasn't sure whether to expect it to be but it's not, which is convenient. His model finishes running and he pulls it up to look at, adds another layer with an illusion spell for practice, and starts concentrating. He's trying to figure out how to have morphs handle jumps gracefully. They currently don't handle them at all, but there's a research group getting close, but their solution isn't going to work for his variant on morph, which is more complicated.

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That's even more interesting! Mhalir had been expecting to be kicked out after the ten minutes, and now Firayar seems to have forgotten about that, but Mhalir can hover non-distractingly in the back of his head and soak up everything and, once he feels at all sensibly oriented, nonverbally-poke at some points of confusion. 

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- Farin notices that, and feels at once a flicker of irritation at the distracton and a flicker of interest at how, exactly, that works, and then is immediately diverted by considering the thing Mhalir is poking at, which is the way morph is configured in z-space. The problem is the tether. Local wizards can put their spellbook in the Ethereal Plane and recall it from anywhere because it's not tethered, the transmission point is 'magical', and this feels kind of like cheating but would be the ideal thing to do for morph, if it were possible, have the instruction set in one fixed highly-secure location and in communication with the body not because they're tethered to each other but because they can mirror each other with magic...

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Mhalir doesn't see why that shouldn't work, in theory - they were able to do input-ouput to the database computer in Nirvana (originally just Alloran's brain chip) with magic rather than any kind of tech-based link, that was of course a much lower bandwidth transmission and it would require a different kind of spell to do this, maybe a kind that doesn't exist yet, but they know Aroden - or at least Mhalir does, he's been in Aroden's head - and Aroden is better than anyone in the world at inventing new spells by using his remembered god-intuitions for magic, Mhalir already has a meeting planned with him in a few weeks and can ask then? 

(This is the most fun way to do research, he's already concluding, there's so little friction in the way of communicating ideas.) 

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- huh. Sure, if Aroden can figure out how to do the magic or give an immediate ballpark estimate of the feasibility of doing it, then that'd be very valuable. The main advantage of the technical approach is that the Andalites can just manufacture morph boxes, and magic isn't as suited to that yet, but Cayaldwin was working on that - he calls over Cayaldwin to ask some questions about that -

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Cayaldwin trots over and can get them up to date about that.

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This is also very useful, Cayaldwin and Firayar communicate in such a dense-packed way and Mhalir is getting so much so quickly from this - 

- though eventually he remembers that it's been a lot longer than ten minutes and he doesn't want to take too much of Firayar's time, he feels caught up enough now that he can mull over it usefully on his own and better make sense of written updates. 

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<Oh, right.> He looks around for Carissa, who has sat down in the grass and is watching the Andalites practice magic. He trots over to her. <Do you want Visser Three back?>

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"- Mhalir. Yes."

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<Thank you. I will be in touch.>

And he slips out of Firayar’s ear for the transfer.

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She puts him back. She was kind of worried and she is relieved he is back now!

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<We can go now.> He's also relieved to be back, though his thoughts are all sparkly about morph research and how it's the most interesting thing and Firayar is so clever. He's also very impatient and his head is kind of overwhelming to be in, though. And he's not Carissa. 

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Carissa does have that edge over other people, for as long as it lasts, that Mhalir's familiar with her. What sort of research was he doing?

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Mhalir tries to get her up to speed on it as they head back to their room, especially the role that magic could play in getting it to work with hyperspace jumps (and Plane Shifts). He's very excited, though, which means he has a tendency to bounce around between ideas and go way too fast. 

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She could probably learn how to follow it eventually but she is missing a lot of background and planar arts was never really her greatest area of interest. Does this mean we might get to have the magic shapeshifting?

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<I am not going to push too hard on that just yet, but - I hope so, eventually.> 

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Cool. 

 

And she can get to work on the magic item. One that indicates who is moving the body doesn't work, since it's possible to share; it's possible to do something that indicates who is affected by spells, though, and she's working on that.

She's nervous about meeting Aroden. The second to last time she saw him she escaped from his office despite him having been incredibly nice to her (or specifically because of that), and last time she saw him he was very very scary and planning an invasion of Hell, and now he's the ruler of Cheliax and it feels like this confers some authority over her even though she's technically living in Absalom now and there aren't laws about desertion from the army that fought his. (She checked.)

  Hopefully he mostly wants to talk to Mhalir.

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Mhalir kind of feels like Aroden should be excited to talk to Carissa, since Carissa is GREAT and also a wizard, but he's not going to push Carissa on that, he'll take the lead. 

At the appointed time he takes the shuttle over to Cheliax, it's cheaper than a scroll of Teleport and more than fast enough for non-emergencies and he likes flying it anyway. They land in Egorian, which is the most rebuilt city, since Aroden is based there, and it was further from the main clash between Rahadoum and Cheliax and thus not quite as badly damaged. 

It's still very, very noticeable, coming in from the air, that there's recently been a highly destructive war. 

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It wasn't just Cheliax and Rahadoum. Andoran attacked the eastern border and the church of Iomedae had an underground in Westcrown and Kintargo and - it could've been so much cleaner, they could've Yeerked almost everyone and had it over in a night -

 

Mhalir can walk them over. 

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Mhalir isn't sure they could have done that, not with Asmodeus already knowing. It might've been cleaner, but - in many ways it would have left his people starting off on a much worse foot, people in Cheliax would've been scared of Yeerks for decades. Of course, it might still have been worth it for the lives saved, but... He doesn't think it's that simple. 

He walks them over. 

The palace seems very organized. A servant meets them and ushers them to their appointment with Aroden. 

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It's in a nice conference room, with kind of an absurd quantity of magical protections on it.

Aroden is sitting down when the servant leads them in, and he greets them courteously - both of them, separately, by name - and asks them to please take a seat; he doesn't himself stand up. He looks very tired, and like he hides this fact most of the time but isn't trying that hard right now. 

"I hope you have not found the adjustment to being alive again too difficult?" 

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"It has been manageable." 

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"I apologize that we did not have the resources to raise both of you sooner." 

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Nod. 

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Aroden looks like he's considering saying something else, but doesn't, just shakes his head a little. "You wished to have an update on our plans with Cheliax?" 

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"- Yes, and also I have some questions for you, about magic." 

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"Ah." Aroden's expression is suddenly a little more animated. "Well, we can do that first." 

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Can Carissa help him explain the question about the hypothetical morph tether spell? Mhalir can do the actual talking, if she thinks words at him, but she honestly understands how to talk shop with another wizard better than he does, and of course he can pull all the same knowledge from her brain either way, but it feels easier - and less intimidating to try to keep up with Aroden - if it's collaborative between the two of them. 

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It remains easier to just sit here being something Mhalir uses to do interesting things but - probably that's not actually the healthiest tendency. 

"Technology is good at complex information storage and bad at transmission across planes. So they've got a pocket in another dimension that has the matter and the instructions and the morph system and everything to configure it - and then they tether it, to the construct-body. You could do it like we do summoning, instead - at least, it seems like you ought to be able to -"

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Mhalir is pleased and proud of Carissa for doing the hard thing here. He jumps in fairly seamlessly with his own explanations of the technical aspects that he understands better; it's not the case that Carissa has all of his knowledge, although he imagines wistfully that if both of them got morph then she could Yeerk him and know him as well as he knows her, there'd be a satisfying symmetry to that... 

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Aroden nods along, seems quite interested. "It would not be a very scalable solution; I think it would require a relatively high level spell, to replace the transmission of something that complex. I can perhaps find something efficient with some experimentation, though. What about -"

And he asks a number of followup questions, some of which are more about morph and thus Mhalir is better placed to answer, and some of which Mhalir instead defers to Carissa on because they're mostly wizardry. 

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"Another question about magic, before we cover Cheliax," Mhalir says once that part is wrapping up. "Carissa and I would like to have as many spells as possible, I am sure you understand why, and - I wondered if you could share some that you know with her, since you are the best in the world at arcane magic." 

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Aroden blinks, looks thoughtful for a moment, then actually smiles. "Ah. Of course. Carissa, are there schools of magic that particularly interest you?" 

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Secluded Grimoire, the first spell Mhalir ever saw her cast, the one that hides your spellbook in the Ethereal Plane indefinitely, is first circle. Possibly it's an - island, a stable thing with no stable things nearby that lets you do something oddly specific much more cheaply than you can do the general thing. There are lots of those. But it seems promising, for powering the magic half of morph with something simple enough you can mass-manufacture it, which is a separate project the Andalites and Osirians are working on, have they told him about it?

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"Oh. Hmm." Aroden looks thoughtful, closes his eyes for a moment. "It may be - I would need to run experiments on nearby variants, but from experience, most spells that stabilize and are near to known spells do something far less useful. As you know, however, a spell does not need to stabilize the way arcane magic does, in order to be placed into a magic item, and I would not be surprised if relaxing that constraint got us somewhere..."

He reaches for a notepad and starts sketching out something, in some sort of thoroughly incomprehensible shorthand notation. 

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Maybe you have to be a god to understand but she wants to try anyway; she peeks at it. Tries to think about what spells would be near Secluded Grimoire.

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He notices her looking and offers a quick explanation. It's trying to depict the way the conceptual-structure-of-possible-spells feels to him, the 'nodes' that represent stable spells, he draws in a simplified way that's vaguely based on how they would look in an actual spellbook. 

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"Is there a way to get an intuition for that - just designing lots of spells, or -"

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Aroden looks a little apologetic. "Yes, but I think not to the level that I have it - I am cheating by having been a god. Nefreti is–" he stops, is still for a moment, his expression very controlled, "Nefreti was, very good at inventing spells, but hers would still often explode. Mine never do." 

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<...I think that I might have some of his spell-intuitions> Mhalir thinks suddenly to Carissa. <They are not very usable to me and thinking about any of his god-memories makes me feel disoriented and out of it, but I did pick up something from having been in his head.> 

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huh. 

"That makes sense. Is it anything like how outsiders who aren't gods learn magic, I didn't pick up any of that but I'm suddenly wondering if I should have."

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"It is somewhat like that, yes. The magic that outsiders can learn is far, far simpler than what gods do, but it is - directly touching the raw underlying structure, is the best way I can think of to explain. Whereas human magic always feels to me as though it is entirely made of awkward workarounds for the fact that we cannot directly hold the true magic." 

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Aaaaaaaah she wants to directly hold the true magic, now that she knows that, this is TERRIBLY UNFAIR. 

"Huh. - thank you, your majesty."

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"You are very welcome. In any case, I will work on this further and of course keep both of you updated. In the meantime, after we finish this meeting, you would be welcome to peruse my list of spells at fourth-circle and below, and if you wish to copy some I am happy to oblige."  

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Wow???? - probably it just makes sense for the ruler of Cheliax to want to do Mhalir cheap favors. 

"Thank you very much."

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"You are very welcome! Anyway. Mhalir, you wanted to hear about the status of things in Cheliax?" 

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"Yes." 

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So Aroden spends the next hour talking through the current state of Cheliax. 

His biggest challenge is trying to restore Cheliax's infrastructure, which was hit very hard by the war and was also substantially run through the church of Asmodeus, which for the obvious reasons Aroden wants nothing to do with. He's allowed other churches to build temples in Cheliax; Iomedae's church in particular is heavily represented. Funding was an issue, of course; Cheliax's social services were heavily subsidized by Hell, no other country on Golarion would have been wealthy enough to provide a comparable education and childcare setup.

The Andalites, however, are a lot richer even than Asmodeus' Cheliax, and getting their agreement to help hasn't been trivial, but he's been able to make the argument that he also has advanced technology, in the form of arcane magic and especially magic items, and rather than sharing their tech, the Andalites can trade it. There's also the case that, in a poverty-stricken Cheliax, people are a lot more likely to sign up as eventual voluntary Controllers in order to feed their families. The Andalites don't like this idea at all. They can provide quite a lot in the way of sanitation and basic medicine, eradicating childhood diseases in a scalable non-cleric-requiring way with vaccines. 

(Aroden doesn't seem to feel at all bad or awkward about taking advantage of the Andalites' aversion to Yeerks in this way.) 

He's offering Atonements to anyone who wants one, though there's a waiting list; they can get diamonds from the Andalites and are only bottlenecked on clerics who can cast the spell, and Iomedae is willing to provide as many of those as She can spare. It's less of a priority to keep people from ending up in Hell, given that the outer circles of Hell now belong to the side of Good anyway, but he nonetheless thinks it's important to - give people a clear line to draw, a way to think of themselves differently in the new Cheliax, to feel like they're making a fresh start. 

The locals are, of course, very wary of his administration, and there are resistance movements in some areas. He can't blame their leaders. It was a messy, awful war. It's going to take a long time before people are comfortable with him. 

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Carissa manages to not-feel sympathy for the doomed insurgents so successfully it doesn't even rise to her conscious attention. She asks about repatriation for everyone who fled the country and might reconsider now if they were sure they'd be allowed to resume their lives.

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Anyone affiliated with the church of Asmodeus is not wanted in Cheliax, unless they're willing to renounce Asmodeus and opt for an Atonement. Everyone else is welcome back; this includes people who were soldiers in Cheliax's army, though wizards in particular need to go through a longer vetting process, including some questions under truth spell, to make sure they're not reentering the country for purposes of sabotage. There are programs to get people re-housed whose homes and/or farms were destroyed in the fighting; he's aware that a lot of people are very suspicious and avoiding any contact with his government, but he's not, in fact, using any of the social services programs to disappear people. 

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He could require them to show up for some things. They'd be more scared at first but once nothing bad happened they'd probably be more cooperative, and tell their friends. She doesn't suggest it; he's presumably thought through the tradeoffs plenty. It's not her business anyway, really. 

She and Mhalir have similar instincts about how to hold their body right now; it should be still and not have feelings.

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Mhalir does make some of the comments that Carissa isn't voicing. 

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Aroden has thought of most of them, and seems to find a few interesting, and certainly doesn't seem offended by Mhalir bringing them up.

His body language is a bit like Mhalir's, in general, though he's more expressive, but in the moments between gestures or expressions, he's always still and level. 

Eventually they've gone over a summary of everything, and Aroden excuses himself, he has another commitment after this. "Carissa, if you wish to wait a little bit here, I will send someone over with the spell list for you." 

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"Thank you, your majesty."

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He nods to them and heads out, briskly. 

A few minutes later a servant arrives with a book for them. It's not an actual spellbook, it looks more like Aroden's personal notes on spells, but it's fairly detailed and readable. 

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She will be polite and reasonable and not at all GLEEFUL that Aroden wants - whatever he wants from Mhalir, it wasn't clear from his notes - enough to give her HIS NOTES ON MAGIC. And she will copy everything.

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Mhalir also isn't sure what Aroden wants from him - or whether he wants anything specific at all, as opposed to being inclined to share his resources with Mhalir when it's very easy for him to do so, because Mhalir is a (very very young and inexperienced) version of him and Aroden therefore expects him to make good use of having resources. He hopes it's the latter, but even having been in Aroden's head, it's hard to tell. 

He's content to stay until Carissa is done copying spells. It seems valuable. His own thoughts are wandering. Wondering how Aroden feels about the slow painful work of putting his country's pieces back together. Mhalir thinks it would hurt a lot, if it were him, but Aroden must be - better at this, in some obscure way that lets him go on, century after century, millennium after millennium. 

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Eventually she finishes and gives the book back to a servant and they can head out.

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Mhalir flies the shuttle back to Absalom, over Cheliax - from high enough, the devastation isn't nearly so obvious - and then over water.

He's otherwise quiet in her head. 

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Carissa is not-wanting to check if her family is dead and not-wanting to check in on the people she liked in her unit - they're probably also dead, things got ugly at the Worldwound - and not-caring about this. She is glad it's Aroden. He - has the right to her people isn't quite the right way to think about it but there's something there.

Her new magic is really cool. She's excited about it. She wants to build something they can use with the Andalites' morph.

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Mhalir doesn't really like it when Carissa does the not-wanting and not-thinking motions, but it's not the time to address it, so he keeps that feeling to himself. 

<I wonder if Aroden - finds it hard, being himself> he muses vaguely, as they get resettled in their apartment in Absalom. <I would find it hard to be him, I think, but he has been doing it for such a very long time.> 

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You mean you'd find it hard to rule a country and be a bit a god? Or - something not that.

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<That, and - also something broader. I would find it hard to be eight thousand years old and to have - lost, so thoroughly, he had to start over from so little, and he had been so powerful before. I cannot even imagine it.> 

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....yeah. I think I'd just - give up and go try to be some different shape that didn't get into important fights.

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<And he did not give up. He did bide his time preparing, but he picked so many fights.> Pause. <He was terrified. Of interacting with gods. I remember that, from being in his head. I think he was very traumatized from his murder at Their hands. But - when he heard about the Yeerk-Andalite war, he still immediately went to Iomedae and to Nefreti for aid. Even though he was scared. I...am not sure I could have done that.> 

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I wouldn't have bothered. On account of them being different peoples on different planets and not her problem. ...well, if Aroden hadn't helped probably Asmodeus would've gotten his hands on a spaceship somehow, and then he could've conquered all the other finite afterlives trivially...maybe there was in fact no safe way through, once contact happened.

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<I think Aroden would have feared that. But - also he saw the upside, immediately, that he could instead have our resources on his side. And I think even if that had not been the case, he would have cared even though we were aliens from other planets. Because he wants to save everyone, everywhere. It just - seems very tiring, being that shape. I know because it is the shape I am, and before this I was tired always. I...suppose that maybe he is too, but if so he bears it more easily than I do.> 

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It seems like an inevitable consequence of caring about everyone everywhere. Carissa tried just caring about people in Hell and that was exhausting all by itself.

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Maybe it is an inevitable consequence. He's not sure he has a choice about that way, but he understands Carissa's hesitations. 

They don't have any urgent commitments right now so maybe they can just play with her new spells for a while. 

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Carissa's new spells are really cool!! She already had every spell you could buy anywhere in the world so they're mostly ones he developed privately, or learned from someone who didn't publish it widely, and she's sure this isn't all he has but it's enough she feels like she could spend a century just trying to wrap her head around all of it.

It's much less confusing that everything else, so she might just - do that, at least until Mhalir has objections.

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Eventually he's going to want her body so he can go to a meeting and handle some annoying Yeerk-Golarion relations work, but he doesn't need Carissa's attention on that, she's welcome to keep thinking about magic. It seems good for Carissa, right now, to get to think about the things that are cool and exciting and don't hurt to think about.

He can manage fine on his own, for the things that would hurt her right now, and sometimes it still hurts for him but he can bear it. 

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She gets less not-thinking about half of what's going on, over time. They make progress on figuring out how to use low-level magic to morph and demorph; they send their notes to Aroden, who is negotiating lots of tech-sharing with the Andalites and can probably use it to get more. She eventually manages to look up whether her parents and brother and sister are dead. They are. That's fine; they'll probably spend a lot of time bored in Hell and then eventually fetched off to Nirvana, or some people were saying maybe Sarenrae would outright set up a secondary domain in Hell since it's less resource use than moving everybody, whatever. She eventually also manages to look up what happened to Her Majesty's Seventh, which was overwhelmed by the surge of demons through the Worldwound that happened when its defenders abruptly started attacking each other. They're also probably all in Hell which is fine. She doesn't look up her ex specifically. Her cousins were clerics of Asmodeus. 

 

Sometimes she thinks about the thing Nefreti said, where there are other worlds, where stories go differently.

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Mhalir sometimes thinks about that too. Wondering if there are other Golarions where the war didn't end in such heaps of rubble. Or where Aroden never died, even. If there are any versions of him out there whose lives went better than his, who managed not to pay quite such awful costs, who were never broken to the point that just existing hurt... Or versions of his story that went worse, where the total war with the Andalites did end only when one side was entirely destroyed. 

He exchanges messages with Firayar about morph, and with Morfirin about proposals for Yeerks to pay for hosts on Golarion, once they've sorted out the diplomatic barriers there. He visits Cheliax and talks to Aroden every few months.

They rebuilt. Nothing is on fire, but there's so much still to be done, even if they can afford to do it methodically and carefully and at a sustainable pace it's still a lot

He does remember, sometimes, that he has a ship with an experimental hyperspace drive, and some ideas for further changes from his conversations with the Andalites right before the attack on Hell. He doesn't even know how to start on the problem of navigating toward 'worlds that contain copies of himself' rather than particular coordinates, and they don't have time now, but maybe someday...