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IP Has No Place Here
The last thing anyone saving lives needs to worry about is the dignity of the late artiste's estate.
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If you get a dog, you can name it Arrakis. If you have a baby, you can name that Arrakis too. Even if you've already named a dog that. But a dungeon?

This general issue applies to more than one dungeon, to be clear, and I absolve none of these litigious self-important people who have nothing better to do than stand athwart the use of culture and language for its natural purpose (looking at you, Tolkien family; looking at you, too, Disney), but I got called in across the pond for this dungeon when it appeared in Casablanca, because one can operate there on French if necessary and my power set works pretty well for evacuating the surrounds (the monsters are attracted to things they can detect, such as Not Me). And someone bothered to tell me, in my briefing before I went to haul people away from gigantic sandworms:

"Please use the formal name of the dungeon, Infested Wasteland; we have been asked to respect the integrity of the temptingly similar media property."

This is right next to estimates of how big the worms are! Right next to an explanation of the search procedure for the interior of the dungeon on the core hunt! Right next to a list of the fellow responders I'm about to trust with my life and vice versa! If I recall correctly, it showed up before the map of Casablanca! The integrity of the temptingly similar media property was right on there among these mission-critical details.

Fuck the integrity of the temptingly similar media property. It's not worth two syllables, let alone two syllables and a speck of professional attention under time pressure. Come at me, Frank Herbert's shambling undead legacy. The thing is a sandstorming desert with tunneling gigantic worm monsters that detect vibrations, and I'm calling the place Arrakis. Nobody but nobody says Infested Wasteland unless they are doing speech to text with a very persnickety database that (because they have been asked!) pretends that names don't mean what people use them to mean. Frank Herbert's estate, as of this posting, you've been asked to retract this asinine request and respect the integrity of the deadly work dungeoneers do every day. No one is singling your particular media franchise out. Dungeons pick up ideas and you can't sue them; implying that we're in legal danger for noticing this has happened solves nothing. You don't see the heirs of Theodore Geisel behaving in this embarrassing fashion. The LEGO Group has a really lovely victim fund for anyone who winds up in an obvious Lego dungeon and they have stopped doing the thing where in addition to money they sent a box of bricks.

(This having been said, I think "Dunegeon" is in slightly poor taste both because it's easy to misread/mishear for precisely the reason it's a tempting pun, and because it has the "sonic hedgehog gene" problem where you wind up telling very upset people that their family tragedy is due to this silly-sounding thing.)

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I think maintaining distinct names is good for reminding people that their assumptions based on the original IP are not necessarily going to be true. You don't want to look at a dungeon full of critters that bear a striking resemblance to Pikachu, carefully prepare to avoid electricity-based hazards, only to be caught by surprise when the electric rodents prefer to attack would-be rescuers by throwing rocks.

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If it looks like a Pikachu but it throws rocks, call it a rock-throwing Pikachu!

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Very typical of an American to not even consider that other places also name dungeons. Not everyone will have read the same books as your lot and get your references!

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Dune has been translated into dozens of languages, and "Infested Wasteland" is also English and doesn't avoid the need for translation. Putting everyone on the equal footing of confronting a clunky novel phrase doesn't improve things relative to some people having a convenient reference handle and other people... confronting a novel phrase that is at least less clunky.

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Also a google search takes 30 seconds if people desperately need to get the reference. 

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BuT wOnT sOmEoNe ThInK oF tHe ShArEhOlDeRs

fr tho I think screwy IP law, much like screwy US healthcare stuff, is largely downstream of other economic/regulatory decisions that seem unrelated. not a lawyer but I remember hearing that if you DON'T defend your IP zealously even to the point of looking stupid, you might get decided against in clearer/actual IP infringement later? so lawyer types sue anything that moves, becuase it's the obvious choice incentives point to form where they can see

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I'd support the creation of some kind of insurance that compensated for harms from failing to defend one's IP against dungeon-precipitated copyright weakening, though it would probably take a while to help with the overall landscape of the situation because I can't imagine the Herbert estate would get a good rate since Arrakis has already wrecked a few cities.

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Okay, but as you said, dungeons pick up ideas? In the same sense that telling someone Little Timmy isn't coming out of the Dunegeon is in poor taste, telling someone they died on Arrakis might inspire bereaved parents to shoot up representatives of Frank Herbert's shambling undead legacy? You're asserting a causal link between the IP and the tragedies caused by the Infested Wasteland. 

I get that you want clear communication in dungeons, every syllable counts in an emergency, but I can see where the patent lawyers are coming from on this one?

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I don't see what US healthcare has to do with anything here. Unless you're complaining about brand name drugs or something.

Clarity at dungeon scenes is a pretty big deal; Overall agree with traceless on this one.

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In the same sense that telling someone Little Timmy isn't coming out of the Dunegeon is in poor taste, telling someone they died on Arrakis might inspire bereaved parents to shoot up representatives of Frank Herbert's shambling undead legacy?

No system of policy can prevent people from going mad and committing murder. The possibility that someone, in going mad and committing murder, might choose to blame any specific target (the estate holders? the nearest precog, who didn't warn them in time? someone on evac with a helicopter license who got another family out first? espers on the scene who weren't fast enough? espers not on the scene who dared ever be on leave from work? Little Timmy's school for not letting him go on the field trip that day because he had chicken pox? the possibilities are endless!) is not worth orienting defensively around; we just have to say, as a society, that you're not allowed to commit murder, and mostly we're pretty good at that.
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or the opposite where people are like "oh this dungeon is clearly a slenderman reference" no ma'am, the concept of tall creepy people was not invented by the internet. or "this dungeon with yellow lizards and shoot fire is clearly a reference to the obscure light novel I Was Reincarnated In A World With No Espers With An S-Rank Power But I'm Also A Bunnygirl Jesuit" dungeons are plumbing the collective unconscious of humanity not your weird shit stash


#something about monkeys and typewriters 

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Who TF cares? We're talking about a single sentence during a dungeon briefing, man, nobody lives or dies based on a sentence.

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nobody lives or dies based on a sentence

People often do, actually. Read more public postmortems.