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I Asked The World For Elsewhere But I Never Imagined This
An Edie and Elves in Middle-Earth
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If they survived this, Odette reflected, she could utterly ruin him. A professor attacking students because he was afraid of one of them? But to do that they had to survive, and in order to survive, they had to not--be--here--

Gone, she commanded, much as she disliked Conquest magic, and then they were--

Maybe she should have been more specific.

The first thing she noticed was the chill in the air. The city had been over the equator, when she left, so the temperature difference was jarring.

The second thing she noticed was that Illia wasn't there.

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Lothlann is a truly dreadful defensive position; rolling plains stretching for hundreds of miles, each Feanorian fortress sticking out of the ground like a burr clinging to silk fabric. They have held it anyway, for nearly three hundred years. Himring is the tallest and stickiest of those burrs in the landscape, forbidding and by Elven standards graceless, and it can house the whole civilian population of the area if needed and endure a decade's siege. All its windows look out on Angband. He can see the place every waking minute, and he does not often sleep.

When the girl appears, he sees her.

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Warmth, she suggests, and if it burns, well, pain is more pleasant than cold. She saw to that. Where am I, she queries, come on, don't I know so many things, isn't it right that I know about this place too, and it's certainly nowhere she recognizes, chilly and flat and oddly still--and the nearest people--there's something off about them but she can't place what--they're that way, that giant building that sticks out like like a sore thumb--shouldn't I be able to see it better, she coaxes.

There is a man, looking out a window. Looking at her. She meets his eyes.

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Powerful, talented, command of the world flaring up around her in a way he recognizes. He stands. "Pull everyone in," he says - they will hear him throughout the fortress - "and get ready for a fight. That stranger appeared out of nowhere."

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Well, the stranger never asked to hear him. Since that building seems to be the nearest sign of civilization, she might as well go there. She's--not going to risk trying to teleport again and maybe get even more lost, but she can fly faster than she can walk.

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They rush archers to the walls, they close the doors, they send the injured underground. The stranger is flying, now. Not even attempting to be subtle. In a way, that's reassuring. If it's not trying to deceive them, there's at least a chance it's not hostile. He doesn't believe that. He has a hard time believe anything isn't hostile, even people he'd known for centuries before the Sun. 

He watches her. That'd be the form of a Man, if Men flew, and if adult Men were ever that healthy or still had all their teeth.

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"Hello?" She calls out in Germanic, when she's reasonably close. "I'm very, very lost. Can someone tell me where I am?" And then she repeats herself in Genoshan, Ashkenazi, Hebrew and Anglic, because she has no idea what language these people speak. If she's unlucky they'll have zero languages in common and she'll have to get creative.

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"Please land and show us that you are unarmed," he says in Thindarin, and then in Taliska, and then in the other mannish dialect he's heard of he says "land and peace" because he doesn't know the whole phrase. She's trying to communicate, too, but in no languages he's heard of.

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They have no languages in common. Lovely.

Well, she's not the greatest Sympathy mage of her generation for nothing. She dithers for a moment before deciding that there's no harm in just finding out what he said, he consented to her knowing it when he said it, it's not like it's real mindreading.

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Well, she'll land, but...didn't he see her flying? She's a mage, does he really think lack of weapons is going to make her less dangerous? She holds up her arms and gives him a mildly skeptical look.

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Her thoughts are easy to read even without a language in common. "I'm a Power," she's presumably saying, "what does it matter if I'm unarmed?"

Very confident, are we?  "I would like a volunteer to go outside," he says, and feels a flicker of pride in his people as most of them step forward. He picks someone who is appropriately afraid.

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Hello, random person! Okay, how to communicate that she can understand them but can't speak to them...she cups her ear and snaps her fingers, creating a spark as she does so, the universal "I'm a mage" gesture, then sticks out her tongue a bit, taps it and shakes her head.

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The gestures are meaningless, but he can catch the tenor of her thoughts. Tell her that this is a war zone and a bad place for unaccompanied strangers, even if they are powerful ones. It is also a bad place for us to receive them.

His volunteer echoes this, warily.

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...Wow. What's that? Whatever it is, she likes it.

So...does she just respond...by thinking at him? I don't know how I got here--I was trying to get away from someone who was trying to kill me, and apparently I wasn't specific enough about where I wanted to go to, and my sister isn't here so I hope she isn't still back there with him, and where am I? I apologize for accidentally intruding on your war, but the sooner I find out where I am the sooner I know what direction to leave.

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Tell her where we are, he orders cautiously.

Her interlocutor shifts nervously, sends a message that's a map of the continent. Beleriand. And an image of the fortress. Himring. And of the whole world, oceans and a distant memory of a golden glowing continent - Arda.

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This is a map of the entire world, as she knows it.

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She's broadcasting so oddly that the whole fortress can hear her; is that deliberate? It's certainly useful. 

She's not from anywhere in the world, or from a time so distant from this one that the continents have been reshaped. Or lying, of course likely to be lying, but she's powerful and for the moment it might be wiser to play along - 

You came very far, then.

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Apparently.

Well, she'll just have to grit her teeth and try to teleport home, then, and hope whatever anomaly let her cross worlds duplicates a second time, much as she may dislike using too much Conquest magic over a short period of time. Home, she orders--

The pain slams into her with the familar bone-jarring sensation, but she doesn't go anywhere.

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They all feel it. Everyone else flinches. He does not. 

I take it you cannot make the journey back, not immediately?

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Apparently not. I'm sorry.

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Convenient. Do your powers permit you to cross mountains? To the east it is safer to travel alone, and the Enemy is less likely to pursue you there, or learn of your presence. How long do you expect it to be until you can safely return?

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How should I know? I've never even heard of someone teleporting between worlds before. Until I get strong enough to force it, I guess, but who knows how long that'll take.

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I see. And if he sends her away she might arrive at Angaráto's doorstep, or Findekáno's, annoyed with him, and this seems like a risk worth weighing against the risk to his people. If you are not strong or consistent enough in your abilities to travel alone in enemy lands, you should come in.

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What's this Enemy like? Are they a Great Mage? I'm...not, yet, but I'm a bit of a prodigy.

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Your word is unfamiliar. The Enemy is a Power. And he sends -

 

Melkor in Valinor, in charming Elven form, smiling and laughing and ripping their people apart at the roots -

The Darkening, screams in the night, the darkness clearing to show their hometown shattered into rubble, what remained of Finwë's body strewn severla hundred yards across it -

dragged beneath the throne of Angband and forced to his knees -

Valar, we call them.

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Well, that's sure as hell not Aten, she thinks, her hand going to a circular pendant with seven lines going down from it. That's...that's...she fails at coherency. That's awful and horrifying and it really should not exist, and it's sure as hell not her God, but if any human mage tried to do something like that they'd be unable to think from the pain, even her own lovely patch only goes so far--at least for now, maybe if she got used to it--she'll get stronger. She'll buid up her tolerances.

She doesn't seem to have consciously realized the certainty in her heart that she must oppose this being, but it's there, hard and tight and fierce and warm.

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Okay, not friendly with Melkor. Or a really excellent actor. 

 

Thus why we name him our Enemy, and build these fortresses, and plan one day to throw down the walls of his kingdom. The Valar of your world are all good?

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We only have one.

Aten, the sun-disc, God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, who led the Hebrews into Egypt and brought them prosperity there, who gave his revelations unto the prophets and delivered them from the pain of their workings so that they might perform miracles, The Lord, thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal...

Well, according to my religion anyway.

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The creator of our world is called Eru, Ilúvatar, father of all, and he is not said to be evil.

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Sounds more like our concept of Aten than these Valar, in some ways.

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The Valar are his agents in creation, but Morgoth rebelled against creation and now tries to deal the world as many hurts as he can. Your powers spring from your god?

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I mean, maybe? Insofar as he created the world and magic with it, I suppose. Anyone can do magic, but not everyone's willing to do the hurting it takes to do anything serious.

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Dark amusement. I wonder if you can teach us.

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Um. I should warn you. Magic doesn't just hurt. It...changes you. I'm as good at magic as I am because I'm very resistant to the mental side-effects of sympathy magic, so I could make myself algolagnic, but most people who did as much sympathy magic as I do would be a simpering ninny incapable of disagreeing with anyone right now.

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That does sound concerning. Are there other kinds?

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Effort magic, which makes you more stubborn, and Conquest magic, which makes you more forceful and direct. When I tried to teleport just now, that was Conquest magic. I try not to use it too often, because I'm not especially more resistant than usual to Conquest's side effects.

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Would you like to come in so we can discuss this further, without an audience of thousands?

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An audience of thousands?

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You are shouting your thoughts; we can all hear them. Was that not deliberate?

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I'd never even heard of something like this before today! But she's quite obviously pleased by its existence. How do I not shout? How would you propose to have a more private conversation, we still don't have any languages in common.

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Osanwë does not translate; we are probably capturing only the edges of each others' meaning. We could learn quickly, though, speaking and thinking at once. Once we are in the same place I expect you will be able to direct instead of shout. 

So she has to be a Man, if the strangest one. Perhaps the magic explains that she is not decaying as most Men do.

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Osanwë. So that's what it's called.

I'll come in. Do you have any aesthetic or other linguistic preferences? I speak several with equal expertise.

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One of my brothers will eventually desire to learn all of them, then. I personally have no preference.

About that or, well, in general. Preferences were peacetime luxuries even for everyone else. 

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"Hello," she says in Genoshan when she reaches him.

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If you continue broadcasting intent while you speak we should learn quickly. "Hello."

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"Of course," she says, and thinks. "Let me know if I'm still shouting to everybody."

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"Shouting less, but not private. Try being aware of your thoughts as addressed to me."

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"Yes--actually let me try something."

This Osanwë was clearly something of this world, something not native to her own nor a capacity she naturally had.

But why shouldn't she have it? She was Odette Zavier, the woman who claimed masochism through sheer resistance to her own Sympathy, why shouldn't she--drawing a tiny bit on each person within this tower for a model--why shouldn't she have this capacity to?

The stinging headache of mind-magic barely registers.

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He watches patiently. She seems to be trying to acquire something, but it doesn't seem hostile exactly so he's not immediately inclined to interrupt her.

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Okay, how's this.

Her thoughts feel much more normal now, if still oddly untrained.

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"Yes. Yes? I can - " he reaches out for the words, but now she's doing something different and they're harder to find - "hear you, but you're private. Is that what you intended?"

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"Sort of. I was copying your telepathy. People can't just talk mind-to-mind in my world, and I wanted to be able to."

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"Ah. It is ...good that now you can." He's still speaking very slowly, expressionless, sifting for words. "Your magic allows you to copy things you see?"

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"It's not about--seeing, exactly. It's about having a model. A point of comparison. But that model can come in many different ways."

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He nods. "You used it to... flee a ...danger and arrive here?"

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"Oh. Yeah. One of my teachers figured that since I was probably going to be the next Great Mage he ought to kill me because that's some seriously abusable power and he didn't feel like taking the chance that I wasn't going to abuse it."

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Amusement, again. Weariness. "Great Mage?"

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"Most people who take up serious magic in the first place are sufficiently deterred either by the pain or the mental side-effect that they get in a couple of decades of decent mage-work and then retire. Sometimes, though, you get someone who's resistant enough to at least one form or sufficiently fond of pain to spend their whole lives doing it. And every once in a while you get someone who's both, and can exercize at least one form of magic with near impunity."

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"What makes one resistant?"

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"Your personality. I wouldn't exactly there are any specific mental features that guarantee resistance to anything in particular, but there are a lot that can help."

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A grim smile. "In that case I would like you to teach me as swiftly as possible, particularly if it can be mastered to the level of useability in only a few decades as you implied. But first I am obliged to offer- food? drink? rest? warmer clothes?"

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"I'm not tired, it was noon back home. I'm not particularly hungry or thirsty either. I've been handling the temperature with magic, but warmer clothes would be a better solution in the long term."

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He nods and says something in his own language; there are no servants in the room, but presumably one can hear them, becuase he nods in satisfaction after a second. "In that case I would like to use your magic to destroy the Enemy. How would I start to learn it towards that end?"

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"Good question. For direct destruction, conquest is usually best, but it's often more effective to slowly erode at things over time, which would fall under effort, or to poke at it until you can get at its weaknesses, which would be sympathy. Given what you've said, 'Destroy the Enemy' is likely not a single effect which can be achieved by a single magical effect. Tell me a step towards the Enemy's destruction, and I'll tell you how I would do it. How I would do it if I were fifty years older and a great deal more powerful, if necessary."

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He nods. "Angband, the fortress, is inpenetrable. If the walls could begin to crumble..."

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"Is there any reason they shouldn't? That wasn't a real question, that was your first lesson in Sympathy magic. The way you do that is by finding a point of comparison, and then convincing the universe that the one should resemble the other. There are limits--the more strained the comparison, the less likely it is to work, and the more power you have as a mage, the more likely it is to work. If I taught you the basics of Sympathy magic, and you went out today and stared at this fortress's walls for a thousand years and tried to coax it that it had the consistency of brown sugar, you would fail. But if you work up to it...it's not out of reach forever."

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"Does the universe care about good and evil? Can I say that the walls should crumble because great harm is done behind them?"

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"The universe doesn't care about good and evil, but you do, and the universe cares that you genuinely believe that the effect you're going for is correct."

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"Ah, all right then. Should I practice on similar things? Smaller fortresses? How does it affect my mental state, again?"

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"Sympathy magic makes you more diplomatic and more conflict-averse, Conquest magic increases your force of personality and decreases your ability to take no for an answer gracefully, and Effort magic increases your willpower and makes it harder to change your mind about things."

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"So they cancel each other to some degree? Is it recommended to practice them in equal measure?"

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"Not usually equal--even for people with no particular exceptional resistences you're usually not equally susceptible to all of them, so you want to balance your ratios that way, and some people find the changes unequally unappealing, and they don't cancel out perfectly. And many people have greater individual talent for one or two, and are willing to deal with the uneven effects."

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He nods. "And great workings, like making Angband crumble, would be more destabilizing?"

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"Yes. There are also meditation techniques that can be used to pick apart what the magic is doing to you and prevent at least some of it."

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"Can you describe those?"

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"Verbally, or...?"

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"Osanwë is faster for teaching."

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"I can imagine."

Breathe in. Breathe out. Center yourself. Who are you, and who were you yesterday? What do you feel? What did you feel yeserday? How much of what you're currently feeling, doing, being, is yourself, and how much is the magic?

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He nods. "I think I can do that. There are worse things, from how you describe your magic, to be shoving around one's self and sanity."

The scars are not immediately visible, but once she looks they're everywhere; running across his face, across his features, across the one hand that rests comfortably on the the table between them. He wears a high-collared shirt and no other skin is visible. He doesn't appear to have any ears; his hair rests flat against his head.

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"Do you, um. I can do healing. Even of wounds that have already scarred."

Her face betrays only srprise and concern, but across the Osanwë channel he can feel an abrupt, bubbling, piercing rage.

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He goes very very still for a second, then places the other hand on the table. It ends in a stump. "That kind of healing?"

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"Yes. I--yes."

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"Interesting," he says. "It's been four hundred years. I'd rather grown accustomed. How long does it take you?"

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"Um--it depends. A few moments each, for the superficial ones. Longer for the ones where there's structural damage."

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"Not a priority, then," he says lightly. "Perhaps later." The remaining hand is balled into a fist on the table. "How was magic discovered by your people? How was it first learned?"

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"I don't know. We've had it for longer than our historical records go back."

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"All right."

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"Most people don't get their ratios and resistances worked out for years, and it's customary to learn a roughly equal amount of each until then. Can you think of any mechanically trivial tasks that it would be valuable to be able to accomplish through force of will? You can't really do very much for the first bit."

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"Tying a knot would be useful, is that complicated?"

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"Tying a knot would be straightforward, but I meant...a lot of what mages learn is how to leverage magic. When every use of it carries a price in pain and personality, you want to put it where it will do the most good. Tying knots can be done by hand fairly trivially, in my experience. Given that this is a war zone, a more efficient use of magic might be deflecting projectiles."

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"Tying knots can be done by two hands."

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"Yes. Um, I actually know how to tie a knot using one hand and my teeth, but. Um. That was...thoughtless of me, I apologize."

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"I'd much sooner people forget it," he says, "and I can also tie knots with my teeth but not conveniently in public, or on belts and shoes and so forth. If deflecting projectiles is similarly trivial it is a better choice."

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"More trivial, actually. It's easier to convince an object in motion to go in a different direction than it is to convince a limp, at-rest object to undergo a series of contortions."

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"All right. How is it done?"

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Like this, she sends via Osanwë, after a moment of completely failing to generate words for what it feels like.

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Hmmm.

Can you send it again? That's a lot to take in.

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Of course. More of the same.

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"All right. How do I know if I'm doing it? I can't fire projectiles at myself to check -"

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"Well, you might not get it right the first time, so we probably shouldn't start with actual live fire. I can throw something at you and you can try to deflect it."

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"Go ahead."

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So she takes off her necklace, spins it a few times by the chain, and flings it at him.

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It soars off to the side. He looks delighted. "Does the pain also scale up with the difficulty of the working?"

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"Yes. It also depends in kind with what magic you're using--Effort always feels like muscle ache, and Conquest always feels like an impact in your bones, but for some reason Sympathy feels like a wide variety of things depending on what exactly you're doing."

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"And if I practice this for a few hours a day for a few decades, you think I'd be able to make it work against Angband? In fifty years? A hundred?"

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"I don't know. It depends on how strong Angband is, and I don't know that. To be sure, you could take down a normal stone wall within a few decades, but..." she spreads her hands helplessly. "I have no idea what this Enemy has done to the place."

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"I don't know if we have two hundred years. If I practice twice as often, do I improve twice as quickly?"

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"Ah--yes, that's generally how practice works. What kind of things does he usually deploy? I may be useful as a direct asset before I have a serious impact as a teacher."

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"Not for, for example, swordfighting, there's only so much time you can put in in a day. All right. I can put some people on this full-time - dozens, if necessary - can you support another's efforts in that way?"

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"Well, I mean, with most people there's a limit to how much it's a good idea to practice, since you don't want to burn yourself out, but it doesn't have a point of diminishing returns except psychologically. I'm not sure what you mean by that latter part."

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"If I train a hundred people in this art, and we all try to knock down Angband, is that easier?"

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"Oh. Yes. There might normally be some coordination issues with that, but I imagine the ability to share thoughts would cut down on that."

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"We've been training together for centuries, too. Thank you. I need to get some messages off about this immediately. Is there anything you need from us?"

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"Can you tell me if the Enemy has any resources or troops in the area? If I test myself against something, and you know how strong it is in comparison with other resources he has, and I observe how fast you progress, I might be able to give estimates for when you'll be able to do more things."

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"That's wise, but it's been years since we've seen them. He tends to test our strength once a decade, with orcs or greater monsters, and pull them back once we react. You're always welcome to go slay spiders."

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"Spiders?"

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"There is a forest full of them. We believe them to be descended from an old ally of the Enemy's, and they are very persistent, so we mostly try not to travel through that forest, or to travel armed."

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"How big are these spiders?"

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"Six to ten feet, at the last I know. If someone recently tried clearing the forest again they may be a little smaller, it seems to take them a few years to reach full size."

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"Huh. Alright, I'll see what I can see. Which direction is that forest?"

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"Due east. I can send you a horse and escort."

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"It would probably be safer and faster just to fly out of reach."

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"Ah, yes. Enjoy the trip, then. The kingdom between here and there is my brothers'. If you get there ahead of my message, they'll likely be alarmed; you can stay the night here and leave in the morning, or expect to explain yourself to them."

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"I suppose there's no particular hurry if this war is being fought on a scale of decades and centuries," she concedes. "I'll stay the night."

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"The war has so far lasted more than four hundred fifty years. Is this unusual for wars in your land?"

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"Very. It's considered exceptional for a war to last much more than a decade."

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"Well, we tried to end it that quickly. It didn't work."

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"So I see. I suppose it must be different--how long do your people generally live? I've gathered from context that it must be longer than mine, but that's not very specific."

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"You resemble a Man, though a very unusual one, and they usually live fifty or sixty years, a hundred at the outset. We do not die in the same manner. If harm never comes to us, neither will death."

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"Lucky. I'm--human, yes. We generally have longer life expectancies than that--I think the range for us is generally seventy to a hundred, and or course a mage can stave off the effects of aging for as long as they remain a mage. I'll probably live until something kills me, and so will my sister because I love her as life itself, but most people get less than a dozen decades. So you're not human? I noticed there was something strange about you, but once I realized this was a different world I attributed it to that. Humans are the only sentient species in my world."

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"We are called the Eldar, the Firstborn, and we are very different from Men. I am not a typical specimen, though." A slightly frightening smile. "We usually, for instance, have two hands."

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"Different how? I would really rather not offend someone because I assumed they were similar in some respect to my own species."

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"We are spirits taking on physical forms, rather than whatever relationship prevails between the soul and body of Men - currently the topic of much debate, as I understand it. We have a great deal of control over our bodies. We are not destroyed when they die. We age more slowly - though, in these lands, only a little more slowly - and we are bound to Arda, to endure as long as it does."

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"Noted. How close is it to nighttime? I should probably try to match this place's day/night cycle since I'll be here for the forseeable future."

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"We're very far north, and have long days this time of the year. Another six hours. Would that be enough time for you to give me a hand, if that's within your capabilties at all?"

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"Yes, I can do that."

There is a wave of anger towards the Enemy when he asks, but it doesn't show on her face at all.

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"The Enemy technically didn't inflict that one," he says, amused. 

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"Oh?" she asks, a little distracted.

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"The Enemy shackled me by the relevant hand to a cliff to slowly starve or die of exposure. And then used magic to make it slower. A year later, a friend found me. He couldn't get the hand loose, so -"

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Oh.

"Well, I can fix it regardless. Fair warning, this is going to be gross; I'll have to re-open the original wound and regenerate it from the skeleton out."

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" I think I will manage."

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"I expected as much, but some things make unpleasant surprises."

The first thing that happens is that the scar tissue dissolves. The wound doesn't bleed, however--presumably she's preventing that.

It takes three hours for the hand bones to finish growing back, another half an hour to replace the muscles, and less than five minutes after that to clothe the whole thing in skin.

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He flexes it. "Thank you. We have a number of people disfigured or disabled by the war; how long until we attain your level of mastery of healing, do you think?"

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"Well, I'm very good for my age, but that age is only twenty-one."

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At that he looks slightly shocked. "I know Men are different, but - that's very young. Are you - all right? Do you need chaperones, or tutors?"

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"Chaperones? Why would I--I do admit I was still in school, but I am an adult, as my people count things."

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"When I was the equivalent of 21 I caused all kinds of trouble," he says. "Our resources are obviously at your disposal only insofar as you want them."

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"I'm not offended, I'm confused. Why chaperones?"

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"The nearest community of Men is in Estolad, and not native to there. I know that their customs cannot be the customs of Men in general, but I'd have to travel much farther afield to encounter any others, and they are very concerned with their young adults travelling in pairs, and would be distressed with me if I invited a woman your age into my office for an afternoon and evening and would decline to explain why." He shrugs. "I had concluded it was a cultural difference of some sort."

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"I see. Well, if I spent my life pandering to the kind of person who thinks I've been having sex because I'm alone with someone of the opposite gender, I'd never get anything done. The offer is nonetheless appreciated."

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He looks utterly horrified. "Is that what they think?"

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"That's...what chaperones are for, is to make sure people aren't having sex."

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"But - I'm not going to marry a 21-year-old human - who on earth would ever possibly think -"

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"Who said anything about marriage?"

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"You did!!"

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"No, I said sex! People have extramarital sex sometimes! The human gestation period is nine months and my sister and I were born only six months after our parents' wedding!"

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"Ah." He says. "For us those are the same thing. If I were to have sex with a human woman I would be married to her for all eternity. This would be a profoundly stupid thing to do, so I was surprised anyone would take precautionary methods to prevent it. Your explanation makes more sense."

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"What, really? That's...very strange, on a wide variety of levels."

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"Your way strikes me as equally puzzling. So - the fear is that if unsupervised, Men won't be able to get any work done and will fall to having sex that does not result in marriage, and then marrying while already with child?"

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"The fear is that women will have extramarital sex and thereafter be considered morally defiled. It's not shameful for the men."

She's smiling. It's not a nice smile.

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"Then why would they do it?" he asks, flexing the new hand and then waving it around the room in confusion. "Why would you need to specifically stop them, if it's considered dishonorable anyway? Are people going to think you did something dishonorable?"

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"Because it's considered dishonorable for stupid reasons, so not everyone agrees, and because there are people who are perfectly happy to do dishonorable things that feel nice if they think they won't get caught."

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He shakes his head. "Well. I will not comment on the customs of Men, and our resources remain at your disposal as interests you, and I am not personally inclined to care what assumptions the Men in my employ make for obscure cultural reasons if you aren't."

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"Genosha--The Free City of Genosha, where I'm from--has pretty much gotten over this, but there are enough places in the world where that's the custom that it's easy to recognize. It's annoying, but going out of my way to avoid having people think that would be even more annoying."

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He's smiling slightly to himself. "All right. There's a guest room across the hall, someone will take you there. I need to compose the letters explaining the situation."

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"Thank you."

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And someone knocks on the door to show her to the room. He pulls out parchment and a quill and an inkwell, still using the hand he'd been accustomed to. "Should I have them bring you food as well?"

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"Oh," she says, surprised. "Yes, thank you. I forget about hunger, sometimes, when I spend a while on a workng."

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"Anything in particular?"

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"I'm not picky."

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"Noted. Good night, ah -"

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"Odette" Given name, the name of her mother's mother "Zavier" Fathername

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"Maedhros. Just the one name." Another bitter smile. "Good night, Odette Zavier."

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"Good night, Maedhros."

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Her room is very small, but clean, and contains only a bed. A short time later someone brings up some kind of stew and bread.

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The fact that they have food so similar to what she's familiar with probably shouldn't even register as strange, compared to everything else, but it does.

It's nowhere near the time she would normally go to bed, back home, but luckily for her plans to adjust her sleep cycle it's been an exhausting day, and she's out like a light as soon as her head hits the pillow.

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In the morning there is hot stew and bread placed on the table, apparently recently but by someone who did not wake her.

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She idly formulates a handful of variously stew-related hypotheses, and looks around to see if someone also happened to leave a change of clothes or if she should convince what she was wearing yesterday that it was clean.

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They didn't think of a change of clothes, apparently.

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Yesterday's clothes it is. And she has no idea what time it is, but if she was expected somewhere at a certain time someone would surely have told her. She opens the door and looks around.

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The hallway is empty. At one end there's a sort of balcony; at the other, a staircase.

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Leaving without saying anything feels rude, butting into whatever Maedhros is doing feels rude, he seemed awfully important--but does she think she oughtn't bother him because it's true, or because she's only resistant to Sympathy, not immune? Well, Osanwë would be less intrusive than some of the alternatives she's used to, she can try that, assuming she can find him by it.

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Odette Zavier! comes the thought as soon as she attempts it. We're outside attempting Sympathy training. Please join us.

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Balcony it is, then!

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From the balcony she can see about thirty people in the courtyard, tossing projectiles at each other. There's a staircase down to join them.

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Bothering with staircases is for people who aren't her. "Good morning," she says when she's landed.

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Everyone looks impressed. "We were eager to begin practicing," Maedhros says, "so you'd have a sense of our rate of progress and could estimate how long until we can bring down Angband."

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"Sensible. For a group this large I would definitely want to throw in Effort and Conquest exercizes as well. The odds that everyone here is most suited for Sympathy are negligible."

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"Wise," he says. "Can you lead some?"

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"Yes. Off the top of my head I can't think of anthing as trivial and useful as deflection for the other two, but--" she scoops up a clod of dirt. "For effort, you can focus on compressing it" like this "until it happens, and for conquest you can order that it crumble" like this. "Unless you're very talented with conquest this will take more than one try, since unlike effort or sympathy it either instantaneously works or it doesn't."

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They all immediately start trying it. 

"We've been unclear how to obtain an advantageous position against the Enemy for a very long time. It is good to now have one."

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"I wish I knew where my sister was, but I think it was a very good thing that I botched my teleport."

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He smiles. "Fortune is rarely in our favor, and I wouldn't trust it. Nonetheless we'll seize this opportunity as if the gods have been generous with it."

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"Sounds sensible to me."

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"Did you still want to head east and bother the spiders? It's a good day for it, if so, long sunlight hours and clear weather and my messenger should by now have reached my brothers."

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"Mm--I want to, but I'm not sure I wouldn't be better off here for the moment. It might be better to figure out everyone's aptitudes before anything else."

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"Very well. By talking with them individually? Is it based on personality?"

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"Yes, but the connection isn't always obvious. Most people are surprised that I have as much of an aptitude for Sympathy magic as I do. Trying to guess based on peoples' personality from a few hours' conversation isn't generally reliable. The best way is generally to have them try everything and see how fast they're taking to what and ask them how it feels to do each one."

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"All right. Shall we start?"

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"What you've been doing is a good start. Keep practicing with conquest and effort for a bit, and then we can compare."

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He does both successfully, his face quite blank. "I think I find Sympathy most natural."

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"Feelings like that are almost always accurate. Now, for Sympathy--" and she segues into a lecture on the efficient use of Sympathy magic.

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Everyone has stopped practicing to listen.

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She's only twenty-one, she hasn't even graduated yet, and people centuries old are stopping in their tracks to listen to what she has to say, because she's the only mage in the world right now--unless she dragged her sister with her and she just managed to end up somewhere geographically completely different, what're the odds and anyway it wouldn't really change the issue--and she's so young and inexperienced and, right now, incredibly important.

She very carefully doesn't broadcast any of that, but instead dredges her thankfully excellent memory for the relevant information because she is not looking like an incompetent in front of these people, not if she can help it.

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Maedhros encourages the next thrown object to soar back towards the thrower and bop him lightly on the nose. "What sort of workings are painful?"

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"...All of them."

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"Oh."

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"I mean, little things like this, it should only sting a little bit, but there should definitely be something.You're not feeling anything at all?"

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"I may not have noticed."

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"I'm going to assume it would be hilariously optimistic to guess that you didn't notice because you were distracted by how nifty magic is."

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"Do you not grow desensitized to the pain after enough time?"

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"I do, but I still notice when I'm in pain."

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"You are twenty-one."

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"Do you just stop noticing things about your body after enough time? I mean, pain stops bothering you when you've been in worse pain before, but it's still a sensation."

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"When I raise my arm, I feel at least thirty sensations that could be characterized as pain. Old wounds. None of them particularly register as painful anymore, unless there's cause to be on guard for it. These injuries are more than four hundred years old."

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"...Do you want me to try and fix that? I'm pretty sure I can fix that."

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"Perhaps when you're done teaching this? It is not a personal priority."

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"Alright." Back to teaching, then.

It is one thing to know that war is terrible, she privately reflects, and another to meet someone who is so damaged by it that repair is no longer important to them. One is enough to raise a flashpaper-bright fury, but the other--

The other will break your heart.

(Something warm and heavy and tight lodges at the bottom of her heart, and this is terrible, but at least she has the opportunity to do something about it.)

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The lessons consume most of the rest of the day. In the evening he invites her back to the conference room, more hesitantly because apparently mortals have absolutely ridiculous customs about this.

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If she notices his hesitation she doesn't remark on it.

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"You want to try to cure various old injuries of mine?"

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"It's probably petty," she admits. "I know that a war means that people get hurt, badly, and die, and that those who survive are often never the same, after. But I'm still young and naive and it bothers me that you've been hurting so long you don't notice anymore."

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"You are very young," he agrees, amused. "Are there no wars where you're from? In any event you are welcome to try."

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"There have been no wars in my lifetime, and my country is very young as countries go and has never been to war. I have never seen the aftermath of one." Pain has a purpose but this pain is clearly no longer fulfilling its purpose it has lingered too long it should just leave now its work is done--There.

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He raises an arm, raises an eyebrow. "Interesting. Thank you."

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"You're welcome."

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"If you haven't seen war, are you confident you'll handle it well? Some people find themselves unwilling to kill an enemy."

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"I said I've never seen war. I didn't say I've never killed anyone."

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Another distant smile. "Far be it from me to challenge your credentials in personal violence, then."

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"I'm sorry. I do know--it's not the same thing. But I..." one of her hands curls into a fist. "I am as sure as I can be that I will not falter when it matters. How well I'll cope when I have a moment to myself--that I don't know. But that's not what matters, in the end. Is it."

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"No." He shakes his head. "Twenty-one. Do you need anything else from me?"

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...He's concerned for her, because she's so young, she realizes privately. It seems almost backwards--at least she knows that bad things happening to her is bad, even if it's less important than other peoples' lives--but it does make sense.

"No, I don't think so. Not at the moment, at least."

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"Very well. I'm going to continue practicing, then." And he glares a rock on his desk into dust, starts painfully reconstructing it.

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It's late, so she returns to the guest room she slept in last night. She can go take her feelings out on spiders tomorrow.

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In the morning there's training in the courtyard again. This time they have left her a change of clothes. There's a dress that clearly has no practical uses, and a men's uniform, both folded next to breakfast.

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She's actually slightly tempted by the dress, since if she has to engage in actual melee something has already gone far wrong, but--assuming things aren't going to go far wrong seems like a terrible idea at this point. She dons the uniform.

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He nods as soon as she steps within view. "I apologize for the limited options; our people have less physical differentiation between genders than Men."

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"I appreciate it, regardless. I think now would be a good time to see what can be done about spiders, and then I can come back and see what else I can meaningfully teach you once you've had more of a chance to practice with what you already know."

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"Thank you. Travel safely; send my brothers my regards." This, like almost everything else, is said with an air of faint irony. He concentrates and the rock in front of him crumbles. He concentrates more and it starts to piece itself together.

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Someday she is going to be a Great Mage, and someday she is going to become so powerful she could tear the earth apart, and someday she's going to destroy this Enemy utterly.

And in the meantime she can fly in a direction that will ultimately get her to a spider-infested forest where she can turn some giant arachnids into goo.

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The plains eventually turn into mountains; there's a pass through them, or if her flight has enough altitude she could go over them.

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She was supposed to give Maedhros' regards to his brothers, whatever baggage might be attached to that. She'll follow roughly the path that a non-flying person would.

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The pass is well-defended; there are two fortresses, bristling with archers, but the message must have preceded her because they do not fire.

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How did he even get a letter here? Not the point. Is there anyone visible from the air?

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The archers at the ramparts are recognizably humanoid, if not identifiable beyond that.

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She descends.

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One of the archers pulls his helmet off to reveal rather a mane of long, blond hair. He appears to be smiling at some private joke, but it's a happier smile than she'd seen on Maedhros. "Our otherworldly visitor," he says. "Welcome to the Pass of Aglon."

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"Thank you. To whom do I have the honor of speaking?"

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"Celegorm son of Fëanor," he says, "my brother says you spoke to him. You're Odette Zavier?"

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"Yes. He sends his regards. So far the things I have found useful to do here are teaching him and his people magic, and I'm going to kill giant spiders to see how difficult it is so as to have a point of comparison for what kinds of the Enemy's creatures I can take on and how long it will take to learn to do more serious damage to him."

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He likes her immediately. "Sounds good. Spiders are thataways."

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"Would you like me to show you the basics of how my magic works? Getting very good at it is a major time and effort investment, but one of the basic exercises I started your brother's people on was deflecting projectiles. For that matter, as long as I'm here, is there anyone with old wounds that could use fixing? I regenerated your brother's hand and cleared up some chronic pain issues he had been having."

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He raises an eyebrow. "He must have been entertained. I think we're okay over here, for the time being. Once Maedhros has decided what he wants I am sure it'll be communicated. You can heal anything? Can you bring back the dead?

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"Not if they've been dead more than a few minutes. Maybe someday."

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"It can be done with enough expertise in your style of magic?"

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"I have never heard of a mage who could ressurrect someone more than an hour dead, but before a few hundred years ago no one had ever heard of a mage who could enchant a city to fly with only a little maintainance from mages inhabiting it. As far as anyone can tell, there is no hard limit to what magic can do, only what mages are willing to bear, and to work towards. Today the oldest living Great Mage is nine hundred and seventy-four years old. If I live to two thousand, I will be able to do things he could only dream of."

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"I see. Well, good luck. Tell the spiders hi. Need anything?"

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"Nah, I'm good. I'll see you on the way back, probably."

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"Sure."

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Well, that was significantly less depressing. Not that she's going to say so.

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He snorts. "Nelyo's quite upbeat if he thinks that's what you need. Take it as a compliment, kiddo."

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"Oh. I will, then." It doesn't make the actual problem less of a problem, but she supposes it's something.

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"The actual problem is the Enemy."

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"Quite. Hence the killing spiders."

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"We've tried exterminating them. If you miss even a few small ones, which you will because it's a forest and it's quite literally impossible to get them all, they're right back in ten years. Just in case you get carried away out there."

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"Okay, but do you have magic to detect the presence of spiders? I'm not planning to look for them physically."

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"Not general-purpose enough that I could go "hey, how many spiders are there in this forest", so if you can do that, go ahead. Actually if you can do that you should probably just will Angband into a puddle, but I assume Maedhros is on that already?"

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"I have been assuming that Angband had magic making it sturdier, which would make it harder to will into a puddle. I could be wrong, but on the other hand, to be quite frank his injuries and how he got them make me...cautious...about approaching the place before I'm sure I can take it down or at least get away. And he was practicing magic quite diligently when last I saw him."

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"I'm actually surprised he let you leave without insisting you carry a single dose of a fast-acting poison. All his people do."

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"It's possible he guessed I could commit suicide via magic. I could."

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"Welcome to Beleriand."

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"It would probably sound sarcastic if I said 'glad to be here,' but since I'd rather save a large number of other peoples' lives than preserve my own, I actually mean it."

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"We actually had to work pretty hard to get here, and were departing from somewhere that was entirely safe, so the sentiment is understood."

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"Really? I'm curious what kind of place would be entirely safe from the kinds of things Maedhros showed me..."

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"The Enemy has brothers. They decided they didn't like the pain and suffering in the world, so they built their own sealed-off continent without it. We used to live there."

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"Uh, why aren't they fighting him?"

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"Depending who you ask, either because that would almost certainly destroy the continent and everything living on it or because they're selfish and lazy and can't be bothered."

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"That first one...sounds reasonable and also like if I follow my current plan of 'become magically powerful enough to smite him' I should be exceedingly careful about collateral damage."

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"We can evacuate to a hundred miles with an hour's notice and two hundred miles with a day's. You will kill hundreds of thousands of people if you sink, burn, blast or otherwise render uninhabitable land of any greater radius in your fight with the enemy. It might be worth it."

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"At which point my main concern is 'does he have a deadman's switch that will do a great deal more damage than that set to go off if he dies'."

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"He didn't the last time the Valar warred with him."

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"Were there a lot of people in harm's way last time that he could kill out of spite?"

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"I don't think so, no."

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"Then I don't want to bet that he wouldn't do that this time."

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"His continued existence is also a lousy bet. Orcs are, as far as we know, not just produced from tortured Elves but in constant pain."

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"Eugh. I don't mean that I'll hold off on killing him, don't worry, I mean that I'll make a mental note to check to see if I can find a deadman's switch and get rid of it if there is one before I do it."

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"Sounds good. Am I keeping you from spider-killing? Because it sounds like you have quite the ambitious plans here."

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"Not by a lot, and the deadman's switch thing at least was valuable. What exactly are the Valar, that seems relevant if the Enemy is one of them, what properties do they have?"

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"They created the world, they can mostly take physical form at will, most of their abilities are very slow-acting - measured in millenia, for the serious ones - they can read minds even if you're not willing, as a much stronger variant on our abilities - the Enemy has some mind-control powers but they seem to be unreliable and demand you've been in his presence. He can breed monsters of various new and interesting varieties. He can induce hallucinations that are so persistent there's no known way to convince someone reality isn't one."

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"...What, really? That's awful--"

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"Oh, God, did that happen to Maedhros."

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"He decided long ago to pretend we all existed, there was probably going to be a war if he didn't. Maybe sometimes nowadays he actually believes it, I'm not sure."

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"That explains a really depressing amount of his behavior."

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"If you tell him it's obvious he will probably modify the relevant behavior. What are you thinking of?"

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"...It wasn't obvious, exactly, it's just that he was really depressing and also mentioned that he had been captured. And--the way he looked when he said some things, like that I should take his regards to his brothers. Like there was something horribly ironic about it."

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"He asked his rescuer to shoot him. would have, but I wasn't there."

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"If he prevented a war I think I'm glad his rescuer didn't kill him. I don't know if I'm glad for his sake or not." She pauses. "If he was going to pretend at all he'd have been pretending all the time, right? To be happy."

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"He pretends to think we exist. He only pretends to be happy for the benefit of the people who need to believe that, and I guess in his assessment you don't, particularly. If you seem to be significantly more effective if you think he's happy he'll start pretending for you too, if that's what you're worried about."

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"I'm not going to be less effective because he's massively depressing. I'm probably going to be more effective because I will be righteously enraged on his behalf, but please don't tell him that; I don't want to give him incentive to pretend in that direction either. No, it's just--I got him to smile, for a moment. When he got magic to work for the first time."

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"When we win the war I think his life will be worth living most of the time."

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"I hope so. I hate the idea that someone couldn't ever be happy for more than a minute again."

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"You must be from a very nice place."

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"My people aren't immortal and my religion teaches that the afterlife is a lovely place. It's not really enough, but it's enough that I don't get too hung up on it. And no one does mind control. Ever."

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"I'm surprised your magic couldn't do that kind of thing, it does so much so easily. Or are you saying that no one'd stoop to it? How would you know?"

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"My magic could do that kind of thing. It could also find out that someone else had been doing that kind of thing. If you're a mage, there are some things you just don't do if you don't want all the other mages to band against you and kill you, and mind control is one of them."

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"Fair enough. You want to come in, if you're here for longer than to secure leave to go spear our eight-legged neighbors? We have food and drink and other Men your age if you care about that sort of thing."

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"No, I just wanted information. Thank you for that. I'll be off to--well, probably implement a more efficient method of killing spiders than spearing them, but you get the idea. I'll see you later."

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"Have fun."

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"Here's hoping."

Off to the Forest of Giant Spiders!

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She crosses a fair stretch of fertile, populated farmland, and then a river, with a few guard towers on one side and a forest on the other.

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Maedhros said he had multiple brothers, she should stop by the guard towers and see if anyone notices her.

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The guards have been apprised that there is a magic flying Man coming to kill spiders, not to bother her, and not to rescue her.

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If no one responds to her presence she'll go back to flying towards the spiders. Zoom.

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She crosses the river into a fairly dense and yet fairly dead-looking forest. There are spiderwebs, but no spiders are immediately visible.

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Well. Are there spiders here?

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The universe confirms that there are hundreds of thousands of spiders in this forest, and that most of them are normal spider sized but that thousands of them are very very big.

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Are the very big ones people? She had better check that too.

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They have human-like intelligence, yes.

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Fuck's sake.

Fine, she had better try to communicate with them before she does anything drastic. Good thing she copied that lovely telepathy. She lands, making sure to keep a read up for the presence of spiders and readying herself to deflect if any attack, picks a nearby one, and broadcasts a greeting.

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The greeting is answered by two spiders dropping out of the canopy onto her head.

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One of them can go tumbling to the side. The other one can get fixed in place. That was rude, she informs her captive.

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It snarls at her. Intruder.

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You've been killing people. It needs to stop, one way or another.

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We don't leave our lands.

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You could try asking people to leave in ways other than "kill them as soon as they set foot inside."

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It clicks its pincers in a manner that might be laughter. Leave.

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Not until I get this resolved, one way or another.

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And several more leap down from overhead.

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They can get deflected too. Look, you really can't kill me, I am incredibly powerful, I really want to come to a diplomatic solution but if I can't I will look elsewhere in solution-space.

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If things come in, we'll warn them to leave, then eat them only if we're starving or they don't listen.

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How will you warn them to leave? No one who isn't a spider is likely to understand your vocalizations.

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Jump in front of them, clickclickclick.

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Most people aren't going to understand that you're people from that, much less trying to actually communicate. Oh, and are you affiliated with Morgoth in any way? It might be relevant.

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Sharp anxious chittering, no answer.

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I am not going to immediately start murdering you if the answer is yes.

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We don't know what you mean. 

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Morgoth is [this person]. He has been hurting a lot of people. Some people think you're working for or with him. I want to know if this is true.

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Born here, never left here, no one tells us what to do.

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Well, that'll make this easier. Of course "easier" is a relative concept here. Are there any non-spider persons in the forest or near it so as to probably need rescuing?

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No.

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I'm going to talk to some people about what to do about this. I will be back. Please don't kill anyone while I'm gone if someone wanders too close. I won't ask you to forego self-defense if someone attacks you but if they're just intruding, I will be back soon and can remove them without killing them.

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Click click click click click.

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That's probably as good as she's going to get.

She flies back to Celegorm's fortress, in considerably more of a hurry this time.

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"You're back early. Get bored?"

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"Nope. Turns out they're people, and not working for Morgoth, and they're pretty casually amoral from what I can tell but mostly they seem to just want people to stop tresspassing. I thought it would probably be a good idea to explore other options before jumping straight to murder."

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"Every once in a while a couple thousand swarm over their borders to eat everything they can before they're driven back, and also their territory keeps expanding. Their - proginator worked for Morgoth, I doubt he has much use for specific individual spiders, except as a constant drain on our resources."

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"That definitely sounds like a problem to be solved, but unless they're going to swarm now it still doesn't seem like the best answer is to jump straight to murder. My first thought was that I could put up a wall encircling their territory too tall and smooth for them to get out or for anyone else to get in."

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"...you could do that. It has some other drawbacks, namely that if the north is a war zone, which it will be as soon as fighting breaks out again, there's then no way to get west of here without going more than eight hundred miles out of your way, at least for those of us who cannot fly. The spiders' southern border is the northern border of a hostile kingdom that has specifically a policy against letting refugees through in times of need. I don't suppose you could make a giant sealed enclosure that we could travel across the top of, should we need to move a lot of people west?"

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"Hmm, maybe. If I put up a giant glass dome--but that would cut off the air--but I could leave tunnels and holes small enough that they couldn't get through--but if I gave it enough traction to walk on that would presumably interfere with the sunlight..."

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"You could have a fairly narrow strip that has enough traction to walk on, and still have the situation be an improvement over the current one from the perspective of using it as an evacuation route, and also for the spiders. If you care about that, which - their mother definitely worked with Morgoth, if any of them grow into something like that we will not notice until it's way too late -"

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"I'm not inclined to literally commit genocide because someone's ancestor was horrible. I honestly don't think any solutions I could possibly come up with to the situation as it stands are good, but--tell me more about this mother and her hazards, I may be able to build something in to deal with that."

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"She fed off light, and grew larger and larger until she could walk across a mountain range, rip all light out of the world, and consume it to grow still more powerful. Were she still around or one of her children to grow to the same size she'd eat the Sun and Moon, which would seriously inconvenience us and also kill all the Men, I don't think they can handle that sort of thing."

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"...It seems like you would notice the spiders approaching that size before they got there, but--noted. Definitely noted. The spider I talked to...strongly implied that they eat people, when they kill them, but I suppose that doesn't preclude also eating light."

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"They do eat people. They also eat light, but I'm not sure how literally. And we'd notice, unless the forest was under a giant dome and therefore we couldn't see that the whole dome was now taken up by a single spider until she was very large indeed. For example."

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"That does seem like a problem. Dammit, why does this world have so many intractably terrible things."

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He laughs. "I'm sorry. Do grant us some credit; the tractable problems we've solved."

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"I wasn't blaming you. Whoever was responsible for creating it has some explaining to do, though."

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"We're on really bad terms with them, so I can't disagree with you there either."

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"On really bad terms with them?"

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"The creators of the world. I think we've been specifically told that their wrath lies against us from the west to the uttermost east, and that they shall fence paradise against us such that not even the echo of our lamentations can reach their ears, and also they will torment us when we die."

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"That sounds like a really shitty religion."

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"What's a religion?"

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"Um. It is...the set of beliefs a person has about a god or set of gods, including what they intend and want for people to do?"

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He looks baffled. "The 'implacably set against us' bit isn't a problem because of any particular beliefs of ours about it, it's a problem because it means all our endeavors are fated to fail and we have eternity in the Halls to look forward to and so forth."

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"Why do you think your gods are implacably set against you?"

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"...they said so? Quite loudly? The mountains shook with their voices and people quavered and dropped to their knees and my father laughed in the face of fate and so forth? I was there, how else would I know?"

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"...No one on my Earth has ever had actual proof of the existence of a deity in thousands of years, if then. I...appear to have been assuming things I shouldn't have been. Wait, so when Maedhros said that Elves go on existing after they die and humans don't--"

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"We go to the Halls of Mandos, Mandos being the god who spoke that sentence I just mentioned. We don't know what happens to your kind. There might be something, no one can tell."

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"Your dead are on this same plane of existence?!"

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"Due west of here, just keep flying, eventually you'll meet some very angry gods."

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"When I said I couldn't raise the dead--no one's sure what happens to the souls of Men in my world either. I don't know if it would be different for Elves, but--it might."

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"Oh. Wow. You can raise the dead?? Or might be able to? My father's dead, my brother's dead, my cousin and best friend is dead -"

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"Maybe. I make no promises. I could try."

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"What would you need?"

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In lieu of answering she shrieks and falls several feet before catching herself.

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"...you okay?"

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"Ow--yes. Um, there's a thing mages can do that's...almost sort of like osanwe except completely different. And it hurts like hell for both parties. Who are Fingon and Feanor?"

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"Fingon is my cousin. Fëanor is my father."

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"Your dead father. Um. My sister is alive and well and apparently your cousin found her, and apparently you're likely to ask me to bring your father back to life if I can and doing so could be politically fraught."

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He laughs, again. "That's in the Doom of the Valar, too, you know, hopes rising up and then being snatched away. I'm glad your sister's safe."

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"If I can do it at all it sounded like it would be perfectly fine to do after the Enemy was dead. And I can try with anyone else."

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"How about Fingon's sister - the cousin and friend I mentioned? There's a show of goodwill, if he's panicked enough that he'd persuade your sister to forbid you from trying with my father, and I can't think of any political situation she'd worsen."

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"Forbid is probably the wrong word. She said 'don't do it without talking to me and seriously considering the consequences, because they exist,' not 'don't do it, period.' Anyway that sounds fine. You probably don't have the body...you're blood relatives, right, I don't know what this culture's stance on adoption is but shared blood could be nontrivial."

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"We're technically half-first-cousins. If my brother would be a better first attempt we can start with him."

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"Might be. It's not the only factor. Which one were you closer to?"

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"I was close to both but my brother has been dead three hundred fifty years longer. He has a twin who was of course much closer to him, if talking to him would benefit you?"

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"Oh, a twin. Yes, I should start with him."

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"Unless you can share the flight thing, he's a day's travel south of here."

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"I can carry you, if that's what you mean."

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"That will certainly get us there faster." He shakes his head. "All right, why not?"

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"Eenh, I did promise the spiders I'd be back soon, one way or another. Have we established that a glass dome with a walking path is the best option we've got for now? I can do something else later."

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"Sure. How long will that take you?"

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"Ugh, I probably won't be back until a bit after sunset." Her stomach growls and she winces.

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"Lunch? We can do lunch. Amrod's not okay but he's been alone for centuries, he can wait a few more days."

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"Yeah, I should eat," she sighs. "And then I'll deal with the spiders and be back as quickly as I can without doing a shoddy job."

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He heads down the stairs of the fortress. It's well-lit within with some kind of glowing rocks in every alcove. The walls have slits for archers. "Someone's bringing you food," he says after a moment. "Anything else while you're here? Armor? I gather you can just do magic, but..."

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"My pride says no but my sense says yes, so let's go with yes."

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"I always end up taking the other side of that one. We have stuff that should fit you, I'll ask someone to fetch it." His eyelids flicker. "What makes it likelier you can raise someone from the dead?"

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"I'm not sure. Nothing like this has ever been done before. But--blood connection, to help reconstruct the body, and emotional closeness, to help recall the soul--those seem like obvious connections. If my first try doesn't work I'll do something else."

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"Well, you'll have a quite identical body to work from. HIs name was Telufinwë Ambarto. He died in a fire."

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"If they're identical twins, so much the better. Fraternal twins are more common, where I'm from."

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"Twins in general are not common among the Eldar. And they're not entirely - I could tell them apart - but they're more alike than any other siblings would be."

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"I don't mean you can't tell them apart, I mean sharing the exact same under-blood."

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"Underblood?" Someone rushes in with armor and sandwiches; he takes one.

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"You know how people usually look like their parents, and we call that kind of thing bloodlines? Well, it's not literally blood that does it--you could swap all the blood in your body with someone else's, and if it didn't kill one or both of you you wouldn't start to look more like each other. We call the stuff that does it underblood."

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"Ah. Then, yes, they're the same in that way."

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"So I should be able to build him a new body out of that--I don't quite know if it would be better to do that first in the hopes that that would make it easier to draw the soul, or see if I can get anywhere with the soul first so you don't have an extra corpse lying around if this goes wrong."

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"I'm also not sure his soul will be amused. But we'll have to give it a try."

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"Yeah." She takes a sandwich and starts putting on the armor, mostly by magic so she can eat at the same time with her hands. "I'm not sure what circumstances would lead to my being able to apologize for an unsuccessful attempt, but they should probably be avoided," she gets out around a bite of sandwich.

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"You expect you wouldn't be able to apologize if it doesn't work?"

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"I don't particularly expect to be able to communicate with him during the attempt. When you do Sympathy magic to a person, a lot of it sounds like you're trying to coax the person, but you're really trying to coax the underlying reality of the person."

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"Well. I think he'll want to come, he'll miss us. And being alive is more reversible than the, ah, reverse. What specifically did your sister say about my father?"

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"That if he were around it would likely cause complicated political problems that would make it harder to effectively fight the Enemy."

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"Did she seem to be regarding herself as delivering a threat or a warning?"

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"Warning."

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He frowns.

"I'll see you after the spiders are contained."

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"...She is, presumably, only hearing one side of the story. I am not irretrievably prejudiced against reviving your father. I will want to be careful, but that doesn't mean automatically no. Anyway I'd want to do the twin first even if I had an unambiguous go-ahead unless you happened to have your father's corpse handy."

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"His manner of death didn't leave a body, no. I'm just very confident that his soul would be over here immediately if that has any bearing on the difficulty of the task."

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"How he would personally feel about it...might or might not turn out to be relevant. Anyway I can try to knock figuring that out up my priority list a few paces but I have a lot on my list right now."

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"I gathered. And - my cousin Fingon is the crown prince and general commander of the forces of this realm. If he says that there will be political complications if my father is alive, then that's effectively true by definition."

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"Maybe I could get better information if I got Illia in on this conversation. What's the range on osanwe?"

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"It can be as much as a couple hundred miles if you know someone intimately."

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"Alright then..." and she reaches out...and out...

Illia?

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He waits and watches.

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Hi, Odette, I've been worried about you. Thanks for not getting yourself captured.

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I've been worried too, although in my case I was more concerned that you hadn't come at all and had been murdered by our ex-teacher.

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Ugh. That would be terrible. Luckily, I did not. I showed these guys how to make a printing press!

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Of course you did. So you ended up with this Fingon character? How'd that go?

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He's nice. Kinda homophobic, but apparently the Valar don't like gay people.

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Why are so many things about this world intractably terrible?

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Because we're used to the intractably terrible things back home and don't notice them as much?

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Fair.

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So where'd you end up?

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A ways outside Maedhros's fortress. That guy is super depressing--and she sends her observations, speculations and received information on Maedhros. Oh, Maedhros is one of Feanor's sons. I haven't yet told him I can maybe ressurrect the dead but not his dad anytime soon, which is a relief for the moment, because he already has enough reasons to be miserable.

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Holy shit, that's--augh.

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No fucking kidding.

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Ask about the Ice.

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"Apparently I'm supposed to ask you about 'the Ice'," she says.

Am I going to wish I hadn't?

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Hopefully you'll be able to get more information about it than I did.

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"In...general? Oh, in reference to why my lord cousin decided to make it known that anyone who resurrects my father would be Inviting Political Complications. They have a long list of grievances with him, and he with them, all of which are four hundred fifty years old but as I said before, if Fingon says there'll be trouble then that, itself, is."

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"I believe you. But I do operate best when I have as much information as possible."

Not so far, she sends to her sister with a mental eye-roll.

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He sighs. "Then as soon as you have a few hours free to hear the whole story, I'll tell it to you. There isn't a short version between 'there are lots of old grievances' and the full truth that you would be equipped to make any sense of."

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"Fair enough. I'll see you tonight, then."

Apparently there's enough to tell that it'll wait till there are a few hours free.

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"Enjoy building your spider-dome."

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"I honestly don't think there's anything to enjoy about the spider situation," she admits, and sets off.

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Fair enough. I can't think of anything else in particular right now, but keep in touch--oh! The eyes! Their eyesight, it's amazing, I copied it, I have glowing silver cat eyes now.

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Of course you do, she thinks with fond amusement.

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It's so amazing though--this is what the world looks like now, and she sends a smattering of visuals.

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That's amazing! she sends after a stunned pause. Okay, fine, I'll do it. At some point. When I can ask someone if I can copy theirs and haven't just annoyed them by asking them to explain their side of a centuries-old grudge.

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I mean, what exactly are our alternatives here? The issue isn't going to go away or fail to have consequences just because we want to play nice.

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Fucking Morgoth. I wish problems just ceased to exist when their progenitor died, that would be so nice.

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We're trying to get the whole story and it kinda feels like we're just annoying everyone,

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Tell him that when I offered to try with anyone else besides Feanor, the first person Celegorm suggested was Fingon's sister.

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He wants to know if you can do that.

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Tell him that I haven't tried yet because I'm dealing with spider-related problems but my first try is going to be the person with the living identical twin because that sounds much easier, but she's second on the list.

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And a bit after that has been done, Illia sends, Shoo, for now, but do keep in touch.

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Odette shoos. She shoos all the way to the spiders, and checks to make sure there aren't any concerningly spider-adjacent non-spider persons about.

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Just the guards, whose job she is about to obviate but who if they have sensible priorities will not mind this.

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Good.She begins raising walls of earth, sheer on the inside but gently sloping on the outside, up around the area that has spiders in it. If any try to climb the walls she flicks them back down. As she does this, she sorts through assorted rocks and soil for the silica and other elements necessary to generate the glass dome.

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The guards watch, awed.

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The glass gets to behave as though it were very well-tempered for strength, and gets enough air holes (each smaller than a human hand) that nothing inside is going to suffocate because of it. Then she crosses the surface with three paths, forming an asterisk pattern, with enough grip to be good for walking on. Each one gets a pair of stone pillars to mark the entrance where the glass meets earth.

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This does indeed take her the rest of the day.

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And then she gets to see if she can break the sound barrier getting back to Celegorm's place, half because she wants to get there fast and half because she's going to need to be as strong as possible in order to have the best chance of giving someone their twin back.

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"Hello. I watched. That's one hell of a trick. Can you will material into existence? Because if so, we're done mining forever."

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"It's complicated. I can multiply an amount of something that's already there, but only to a certain point at my current power level. Most of that was already there, I just moved it around a lot."

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"Still. Very useful for building cities and so forth. Spending the night here?"

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"I can go without sleep for a while if I magic it. I can't go on like that indefinitely, and I crash harder and longer when I do, so I generally don't, but at this point for the next--until your brother is alive again or I literally pass out from exhaustion, I'm going to be doing magic. Every little bit stronger I can get might make the difference."

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"It gains momentum?"

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"No. The more magic you do, the stronger you get at it. If I practiced for three hours and then tried something it wouldn't be any different than if I practiced for three hours, went to sleep and then tried the thing. But I'm sufficiently consumed by the problem that I don't think I would sleep very well anyway."

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"In that case let's fly south."

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"Would it be less weird if I physically carried you or levitated you separately?" she asks (her feet have not touched the floor this entire conversation).

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"The latter, if both are straightforward."

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"They are." And now his feet fail to touch the floor. "Remind me what direction we should be going in?"

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He points.

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Zoom. This time she actually does manage to break the sound barrier, which is promising; she remembers just beforehand to muffle the noise for her passenger.

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He seems to be having the time of his life, though.

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Oh good. It's always nice to get unexpected benefit out of something.

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Always wanted to fly. Always trying to catch something big enough but not guaranteed to be deadly. 

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You can do it for yourself if you learn the magic! Or I guess I could give you wings or something, but that would be difficult and probably have unwanted side effects. And it would be tricky enough compared to utility to be pretty far from the top of my priority list.

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I'll try learning the magic. Let's get the dead back first, if that's a thing you can do.

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Even if that's not a thing I can do now, it might be possible later when I've gotten stronger, depending on how it fails.

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Well, knowing it'd be possible someday is still something.

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Yes.

There's no cap to a mage's power, not that we know of, not if they keep practicing. I am going to rip Morgoth apart one bit of divine essence or whatever the hell he's made of at a time. It might take me thousands of years to get that strong, but I'm going to do it.

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Good for you, kid. We are all going to be dead in a hundred years if nothing changes, but perhaps your magic can be enough of a change.

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It had damn well better be.

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"We're nearly there. Left a bit."

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She turns left a bit.

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"Now we slow down, fly over the fortress, say hello."

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She brakes carefully, timing their decelleration so they stop juuust  past the fortress and were going at a reasonable pace over it.

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"Cool. Now we walk in through the doors rather than dropping onto the battlements, because some of Pityo's friends' be spooked. You can keep hovering if it makes your magic stronger."

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"Little bit. Getting in the habit's more valuable than any particular few minutes."

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The door opens. 

"Have you talked to Nelyo since yesterday?" Celegorm says without preamble to the man opening the door, who has red hair in a ponytail and looks like he is covered in sticky leaves.

"No."

"This is a Man from another world and she may be able to resurrect people."

He turns to look at her. "Really? How? Will you?"

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"I will if I can. We don't know that. Resurrection is known to be all but impossible where I'm from, but where I'm from we have only Men. The existence of Valinor may render it possible, but even if it is possible I may not be able to do it yet. I am insanely young by your standards. But I'm a twin myself, and if I get even the slightest hint that it might work I'm not going to give up."

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He nods. "Okay. What do you need?"

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"Need, I'm not sure, I've never done this before. What I'd like is...are you the twin, I'm assuming you are because of context but it would be kind of embarrassing to continue assuming that and be mistaken.

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"Yes."

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"Okay, I'm going to want you to be nearby, and...how much did he weigh when he died? That much organic matter." Beat. "And who's Nelyo?"

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"Maedhros," the living twin says. "It's his nickname. One of his many nicknames, actually. And we can go outside and get trees, if that works, or Turko can shoot something..."

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"Oh, okay. Animal matter would work better than plant matter, and hebaceous plant matter would work better than woody plant matter."

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"I can get a deer or two."

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"That should work. Assuming this works at all."

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He leaves.

His brother gestures weakly in a way that might indicate she should come inside.

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She comes inside, thrumming with nervousness.

What if this doesn't work? She can't--if Illia had died, and someone said they could maybe bring her back, and failed--what would she do? She doesn't know.

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He seems to mostly be cycling through clammy skin colors. "What else do you need?"

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"Let's--let's start with that. I've never done this before. If the first try fails and I think of something that would have helped I'll ask for it."

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"Okay. I assume my brothers would have noticed if you were the Enemy, but - what? What can you do? And how?"

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"I'm from a completely different world and I came here by accident. I have a kind of magic that hurts to use and risks personality alterations unless you have a personality that's a specific kind of exceptional, which I do."

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He nods. "Okay. And you can give people new bodies, like Mandos?"

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"I've never tried a whole body. I'm human, and my people don't have anything like Mandos' halls anymore than the Men here do. But I can give people new body parts--I regrew Maedhros's missing hand--so I'm hoping it will generalize."

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"Huh." A thin-lipped smile. "Did he call you unrealistic?"

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"Not to my face."

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"For a while it was his highest compliment. Then he got better at - well."

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"Pretending?"

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"'Achieving his goals,' I think he'd say."

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"He did seem very competent."

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"Yeah. I guess you really get a sense of a person once half of them is gone and you have to see what they get done with what's left."

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"...That hasn't actually happened to enough people to become a general rule, has it?"

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"It's been a long war."

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"I wish I had been able to take my feelings out on the giant spiders. Oh well."

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"Why didn't you? Always helps my mood."

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"...So it turns out they're people. It doesn't surprise me that no one noticed sooner because the only reason I knew was because I got paranoid and checked by my magic and I couldn't get any to respond to osanwe until I took one captive that had been attacking me and straight-up told it I wasn't letting go until I got some answers, but now they're in a glass dome where they can't bother anyone and nobody can bother them."

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"...thoughtful. Can we travel through there, if we need to?"

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"Yeah, I put walking-paths on top of it."

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He nods.

And then Celegorm is back with a deer.

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Hokay.

Deep breaths.

"You can put that down--somewhere it won't stain anything if there's blood. There'll probably be blood. Which direction is Valinor from here, precisely?"

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They both point.

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"Okay."

She'll try just reaching out to Valinor, as a preliminary exercise--she doesn't expect it to work, but it might get her a decent idea of how far she is from succeeding.

...

Well, that sure is an ocean.

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"Too far?"

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"Unaided, yes, but I wasn't expecting unaided to work anyway, that was just to see if I could get any useful information." She sits down cross-legged on one side of the deer and indicates for the twin to sit down on the other side. "Um, fair warning, if this works this thing is going to turn into your brother, and if it doesn't it might turn into something that looks a lot like his corpse or it might turn into a horrific hybrid of the two."

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He nods. "Understood."

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"Can you osanwe me any differences between the two of you that might become relevant when I'm reconstructing the body?"

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And he does. A scar on the tip of his finger from when they were nine, slightly different shades of reddish hair, he was usually a little stronger...

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She is going to get him back if it's the last thing she does--

Calm down, Odette.

She closes her eyes and breathes in and out steadily.

They're twins, she all but begs the world. It's wrong. They shouldn't be apart. Help me. Help me help them. And she wraps her thoughts around the person sitting across from her, and reaches out--

She coaxes it for a long time.

It's not quite enough.

"I'm going to try reconstructing his body now, see if that helps," she announces after a few hours.

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"Okay."

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And the deer's corpse slowly morphs into an elf corpse, or at least something that looks like one.

It's approaching dawn when Odette says, "I'm not getting anywhere with this iteration. Is there something magic I could do for a few hours? Clear my head, get a bit more training in?"

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"Paint the castle?" says the living twin son of Fëanor. "Repair the road? I don't know what you do."

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"Repair the road works--is there anything else useful to be done, if I can't do it I'll just say so."

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"Defeat the enemy," they both say simultaneously. Amrod continues. "Double the stores of food, reinforce the walls of this fortress against magical attack, go to Estolad where Men live and cure them of all their Mannish ailments -"

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"Defeating the Enemy is rather a longer-term project than a few hours, I don't know about doubling but I can increase them some, I don't know what kinds of magical attack the Enemy has but I can reinforce the walls in general, and how far is Estolad?"

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"Not far, at the speed you fly."

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"Which direction? And have they been informed of my existence, at all; it seems like absent the information that the flying person is foreign and extremely helpful I might be met with alarm."

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"They're not ours, they just asked if they could make some of our territory into an independent Mannish country and we said sure. I don't think they have security of any kind, though." He points in the right direction. "They'll probably think you're a god. I know someone who lets them because it saves time."

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"I have less than no desire to be seen as a god but even less desire than that to abandon people in need of healing. I will see you when I get back for another try." And then she flies off to heal some people.

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They stare at each other."I'm sorry."

"Yeah."

"She might be crazy enough, you know."

"Yeah."

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She finds the place and she heals a lot of people and she de-ages several and she gets a handful working on basic exercises.

And then she comes back.

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"Hey.

 

 

 

You know, I've known people who've tried this approach to problem solving, and now they are dead. Just letting you know."

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"What approach to problem solving?"

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"The one where you don't sleep and don't rest and try to batter the problem into the ground with sheer brilliance and talent and force of will."

"There's a mortal saying," says Amrod, "'I used to hear people cry out in prayer and be angry with God. Now I hear people cry out in prayer and I am angry that I'm not yet God.' Always reminded me of Father."

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"Ah." Considering her recent resolution and...everything, that sounds frighteningly accurate. "I'll try one more time, and if it doesn't work I'll get some sleep and then...go back to doing other useful things for a while. And I'll come back again when I think I've made enough progress for it to be worth another try. I'm not giving up on this."

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"It's no big deal, we can be patient," Celegorm says, though it sounds a touch insincere. Amrod doesn't say anything.

They settle in for one more try.

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She manages to stretch her reach a little bit farther, but it's still not enough.

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"You think you'll get there eventually?"

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"I don't know if the thing I'm currently working on will ultimately result in a successful resurrection, but it seems likely, and I anticipate being able to do it eventually."

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"Okay. In the meantime - if you were the person I knew and loved and wanted to keep productive and not dead, we'd prod you into sleeping, for your own good, once a week, and we'd bring food you could eat while working three times a day. Is that the right way to help out?"

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"...Humans need more sleep than that, but the general idea is sound."

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"Great. In that case you're going upstairs with me to refurbish the bedrooms here if that's a thing your magic can do and then rest - we'll wake you - and in the meantime we'll come up with more needed tasks."

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"Yeah, I can do that. --Thank you."

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"Support team for people who need to not run themselves into the ground while they become powerful enough to solve all problems is, like, one of our core areas of expertise. You landed in the right place. Bedrooms. We'll house refugees here if the war ever gets bad enough up north. Fix the curtains if you want the light to wake you."

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So she goes and finds a bedroom and refurbishes it and doesn't fix the curtains.

She lies awake for a while before she manages to sleep, missing her parents.

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They don't sleep. They're Elves.

Amrod sits there, motionless, thinking. 

Celegorm cooks a lot of food and then comes up with a list of magic tasks for someone you're trying to steer out of killing herself and then goes outside and runs laps around the castle in the mud. Next time he will ask her to also fly Huan, even if Huan is disinterested.

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Odette doesn't get out of bed immediately when she wakes up.

Everything's awful and she can only do damage control, really, even killing this fucker is only going to keep him from making things worse, not fix anything he's already ruined.

One of the things she actually could fix she's refusing to (although she supposes that's not really relevant until she manages to get the twin back, but still) and everything's terrible and she can't fix it--

She has a brief crying jag beneath the covers, wishing her sister was physically there to offer a shoulder.

They said they would send someone for her.

She dries her tears, rolls over and pretends to still be asleep.

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He can hear her, obviously.

How fast do Men reach the appearance of adulthood? She's probably not yet 30.

He does another lap around the castle, then heads in and leaves mud everywhere and finds the relevant bedroom and walks in. "I have a dog. I've been missing him. Suppose we can fly back north, pick him up, and then fix things? Dogs are great. Extra pair of eyes, shoulder to lean on, things like that."

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"Dogs are nice," she agrees. "There aren't very many of them on Genosha but I've gotten along with the ones I've met."

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"Great. Can you clear a pass between mountains? There are Men living on the other side and they have to travel south a long ways to reach the only pass through the eastern ones. I thought if that's the sort of thing you can do, we could do it this morning, once we have my dog."

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"Sure. Shouldn't be much harder than bubbling the spiders."

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"More mass, less delicacy. Though if you wanted to do the whole thing in pretty glass I'm sure everyone'd be delighted. Oh, and I brought breakfast."

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"Delicacy is often, though not always, more of a restraining factor than mass." She accepts breakfast and begins eating.

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"Convenient. We have the opposite problem."

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"Magic is a pretty confounding factor in that respect."

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"Maedhros says he's training a hundred people to use your abilities and he wants the offensive for Angband to be in a decade, maybe fifteen years. Is that fast enough for them to get good with this stuff?"

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"How hard is he training them? Back home the pace for this kind of thing was deliberately gentle, people were supposed to learn how to get the most result out of the least magic use, not actively try to get stronger with magic. A decade will almost certainly get them at least as strong as my sister is now--maybe as strong as I am now, if they really push it. If there's a hundred of them...I think it boils down to how strong is Angband, which I still don't know.

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"I wouldn't expect Maedhros to underestimate it." He frowns. "Maybe 20 years. Time makes the Enemy stronger, too."

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"Damn. Can't say I'm surprised, to be honest."

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"I'm gonna wait on your cue to get moving, unless you'd rather I not do that, because I don't know how much you can handle."

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"Right. I think I remember the way back to your place, but do let me know if I'm off course."

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"Yep."

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Then they can fly back to his place. She...doesn't manage to muffle the sonic boom as well on the outside as on the inside. She should work on that.

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He'd told her he'd explain politics next time they had the time, but she doesn't seem like the type who actually wants to know about politics, just the type who feels obliged to not feel stupid for not knowing, so he's not going to bother.

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Well, the primary reason she wanted the information was to help her solve a problem he wants solved more than she does, so she won't bring it up immediately either.

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And they're back. Huan is up on the ramparts waiting, and he apologizes as soon as he's in range, explains Odette - not her abilities, that doesn't really matter, her needs, how they can help her. She can't bring anyone back yet but maybe eventually.

Huan understands.

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"He's lovely."

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"Thank you." He's distractedly explaining as much as he can to Curufin. ...so we have to make her stronger, or get that strong ourselves, but eventually it will be possible, she thinks.

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"What's his name? Is he going to be upset if I just randomly levitate him?" she asks.

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"Huan, and I just explained the situation, so no, but he'll appreciate you asking."

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"Explained?" she asks, levitating the dog. "Is he sentient, too?" She thinks back to the spiders. "Is this a general feature of animals here such that I should be avoiding meat and being less cavalier about killing deer to use in magical experiments?"

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"Huan is exceptional in that he's more intelligent than either of us. Most animals prefer not to die. Is that not the case where you're from?"

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"Most animals where I'm from...aren't smart enough that I usually worry about it. Why is Huan more intelligent than either of us?" And why are you making assumptions about how intelligent I am, she very firmly does not say, out loud or by osanwe.

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"He's a Maia. They're - servants of Eru, minor deities, they helped create the universe. Any one you see in a biological form understands physics, chemistry, and biology so intimately they were able to build it from the atoms up, no 'tell the universe what shape you want' for them."

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"Holy crap, that's amazing."

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Men don't usually understand that explanation at all. "Yes," he agrees.

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"Which way--actually, I've been meaning to upgrade my vision, can I copy your eyes?"

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"Of course. What does that require?"

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"You don't have to do anything, but where I'm from it's considered rude to copy a feature from someone without asking first." And she closes her eyes, and concentrates for a minute, and when she opens them again they are slit-pupiled glowing silver.

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"I really don't know what Eru was thinking when he created Men," he says, watching her. 

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"Me neither. If you can make anyone immortal, why make people who aren't?"

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"That bit's supposedly something to do with the fate Men have after death, and with not being tied to the world." He shrugs. "There are people to ask if you want that argument explained in a way that makes any sense. I'm not one of them."

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"Okay. If you didn't mean that then what did you mean?"

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"Don't think there's any proposed justification for the inability to see and hear well, or the involuntary childbearing, or the death during childbearing, or the way they die when they're old."

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"Fair enough. I actually have a handful of hypotheses about the childbearing thing, but those are more along the lines of mechanics than reasons."

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"Do tell."

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"Well, I know how it happens with humans, my hypotheses are mostly about how it happens with elves. So the human female reproductive system looks like this--" she sends him a very clinical diagram of a uterus, birth canal and ovaries-- "and the male reproductive system looks like this" a similarly clinical image-- "and those bits and those bits" the ovaries and testes "produce really tiny pieces of biological matter that are almost nothing but underblood and a carrying system called birth sparks, and each spark has half of the parent's underblood, and when the spark from a man gets in contact with the spark from a woman they fuse and attach to the woman's uterine lining and grow into a baby."

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"We work the same way, but can choose how our body functions to the relevant level of detail, and by default don't choose to have it capable of producing children."

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"Pff. Lucky. Human women's bodies prepare for birth every month, and if a baby doesn't happen it gets rid of the old lining and makes a new one. The getting-rid-of process is gross and several other varieties of not fun. So it sounds like 'children happen by accident' is a requisite consequences of our souls not interacting with our bodies in the same way."

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"Want to copy us on that? Can you?"

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"Mm, the eyes seem straightforward enough, but I'd rather find out more about how the soul-body interaction works before copying it. I don't like the idea of doing something permanent to my basic nature that I don't understand."

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"And it'd be unfortunate if one result was that you ended up stuck with other Elven limitations. Fair enough."

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"Other Elven limitations?"

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"Bound to Arda, whatever that means. We can't have kids by accident, but we also can't have sex without getting married. There are hella exploits on that but you have to be really careful with most of the appealing ones, I know people who envy Men that quite a bit."

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"Oh, right, Maedhros mentioned that when I told him that the reason for chaperones was to make sure people weren't having sex. He didn't know humans could do that without getting married. What do you mean by exploits?"

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"He needs to get out more; you can't spend a week in Estolad without piecing it together. Uh, same-gender doesn't count, some people sleep with Men and that hasn't yet resulted in a marriage but it's a hell of a chance to take because if somehow it did you're married to a Man and soon they'll be dead, expectations seem to sort of control whether it happens. And there are other things you can do in bed."

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"Oh, are same-gender relationships okay to talk about over here? Apparently Illia ran into some problems with that over where she is."

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"The Valar disapprove. The Valar also sentenced my whole family to be extinguished as a people and fail in everything we attempt and die and wish we'd died sooner, so the disapproval of the Valar moves me about as much as the disapproval of your typical fruit fly. Who'd Illia offend?"

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"From what I got out of it, she mentioned that humans where we're from can get married to people of the same gender, someone was condescending about it, she was offended, and the whole thing was awkward enough that she decided it would be best to drop the subject entirely."

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"Well it's a very good thing we don't have that, that'd take out half the avenues to have a good time without being spiritually bonded for all eternity. Does your sister like women, or just feel very strongly about the principle that everyone, whatever their inclination, should be stuck forever with the first person they touch?"

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"Human marriage isn't spiritually binding and my sister is, in fact, bisexual."

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"I'd point her at a couple people but they're dead. You could, I guess, prioritize their resurrections once you can do that kind of thing, on the grounds that Mandos probably won't appreciate them."

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"Matchmaking for my sister isn't really a reason I would have for prioritizing people like that, but the god of the dead would be unhappy with them sounds a lot more compelling."

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"Yep. Rebelling against Eru is one of the big things you get judged for in the Halls, one of the only unforgivable ones. And Eru gave us marriage, the vows are said before him. The Valar were super upset when we arrived in Valinor and didn't innately know what kind of thing's acceptable."

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"The Valar suck. I'm half tempted to proselytize my religion just because it would make it less likely for people to listen to them."

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"It seems like convincing the gods to be better, or making it easier to live without their approval, seems more useful than deceiving people about what the gods want from them."

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"Which is why I'm not going to go through with it."

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"If Mandos weren't the one who judges whether we're worthy of returning to life, I bet people'd worry a little less what the Valar think."

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"All the more reason to work on providing an alternative."

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"If people come back to life if you think they're worthy, that might be great for homosexuals but it worries me just about as much in the general sense."

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"I will bring anyone back to life who has loved ones who miss them or for that matter anyone else who remembers they exist and who doesn't have anyone who can make a case that they're going to get more people killed. Anyone who I'm warned might get people killed can wait until I have confirmed that this is unlikely to happen, one way or another, since you have literally forever for me to do it in. And even if my judgement were terrible, 'you must satisfy one of two unreasonable persons' is still better than 'you must satisfy a single specific unreasonable person'."

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"I assure you I'm not deterring you from resurrections."

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"I know, I just--I want to bring back your dad, I do, but I would lie to a recent acquaintance if it would get me one of my parents back, and that makes it harder to trust you when you say that the only reason it would be a bad idea is because your cousin says so."

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"What I said was that, if he says that there'd be political complications, then he is in a position to be confident that's true, and in fact the fact he's taken interest makes it true. I would not lie to a recent acquaintance if it would win us the war."

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"I think I misunderstood you. Anyway. I feel like I can't bring him back right away even if I could, and I don't like it, and if you think there's something wrong with my judgement please do tell me, I don't promise to change my mind but I do promise to listen, and by that I mean actually listening and thinking about it instead of just hearing you say the thing and dismissing it. If I achieve my goals I am going to be far too powerful to afford the pride that would let me do that."

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"I think obeying the local King is a reasonable step to take when one is in an unfamiliar land and has disruptive abilities. In your position I would save everyone I could, but I have issues with authority. I don't advise people on politics, and if I did it'd be to say "don't bother"."

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"I like you."

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"You have Maedhros if you really need to talk through the political implications of anything. It says something pretty fucking terrible about politics that not thinking anyone's real makes you better at it, doesn't it? Anyway I expect he'll be appealing to the King to change his stance on my father, actually, and also the King's annoyed with us and might just be expressing his disapproval of bringing Father back as a point he then has for bargaining on other topics, so it might get straightened out by the time you can bring anyone at all back."

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"Here's hoping. I don't really like politics either, I'm just sort of horrified by everything terrible that's happened to you people and terrified of making things worse."

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"...we're really doing all right. We've held a Vala at bay for four hundred fifty years. How peaceful is your world?"

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"Well, anyone who tries mind control dies pretty fast, so even when there's a war on the idea of what happened to your brother happening to anyone is completely unthinkable."

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"Not a bad policy."

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"And wars almost never last longer than a few decades when we have them."

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"This is half a war and half a - I'm not even sure what to call it. Hostile civilization-building? Even if we can't beat him, we can give everyone breathing room and there are so many peoples in the area with nowhere to go."

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"Yeah. I don't think there's ever been anything at home quite like this."

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"Anyway, when we arrived orcs were besieging the whole continent and nearly everyone was dead or dying or starving in a walled city that could barely fend them off, and my father was killed and my brother was killed and my other brother was captured all within a month of our arrival. That felt overwhelming. And now we have peaceful kingdoms where people live out their whole lives wondering if the Elves even have the Enemy they insist is so terrible."

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"Is it weird that I'm already thinking of normal humans as short-lived, even though I've only been here for a few days?"

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"I think I'd have felt the same way about them at - what are you, thirty? It's the difference in perspective more than the difference in experience."

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"Twenty-one," she sighs.

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"I'm not doing any matchmaking for your sister, then, I'd feel like a monster. All right. Shall we head east?"

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"Sure." East they go. Navigating is easier with her new and improved vision!

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There's a lake, and a fortress built into the mountain next to the lake. He suggests that she set them down next to it. "We're in my brother's territory. This mountain range doesn't have any good ways through it without going a hundred miles south. That's about all, I'd think? There's a Mannish kingdom on the other side, and they're in a drought, if that's also something you can do things about."

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"I can get them some water. Changing the weather...not something I'd want to do without a great deal more meteorological knowledge than I have," she says as she sets them down. "Which brother? I think the ones I've gotten straight for sure are you and Maedhros and the dead twin and the not-dead twin."

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"There's seven of us." He starts drawing a map in the dust. "Maedhros is in Himring, the fortress that has a good view of Angband. East of him are Curufin and I. I make sure nothing's on fire and that Curufin eats and sleeps occasionally. Curufin does metalworking and linguistics and engineering, trying to develop weapons that can take down the Enemy. West of Maedhros is Maglor, west again is here - Caranthir - and then south is Amrod."

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"That was six. Were you counting the dead one when you said seven?"

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"Yes. Amras, when it's necessary to speak of him in this language, though he never got to pick a name in it himself and might have gone with a different one."

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"You had other names before?"

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"Our native tongue is illegal on this continent, this time only sort of by divine decree. So, yes, we don't use our birth names."

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"How...and why...is your native tongue illegal."

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"How is it enforced, you mean? There's a kingdom east of here, the one south of the spiders, that's secure, has enough food, and is safe. Its King has declared that it's closed to all of us, categorically, and also anyone who speaks Quenya or interacts with anyone speaking Quenya - our language. So if we speak it, those of our people who currently have leave to enter Doriath have to choose between losing the ability to see all their family and friends in Doriath, forever, or shunning us."

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"Why?" she asks, sounding pained.

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"Four hundred fifty years ago there was a battle in which the King's brother and we were on different sides."

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"That sounds fantastically stupid and petty."

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"I have for obvious reasons never met the man and cannot pass judgment."

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"But you have to change your names? My name isn't different in any of the languages I speak."

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"Elves seem to care more about that sort of thing than Men. Quenya and Thindarin names sound very different and lots of people wouldn't say my name or would feel awkward saying it if I didn't have a Thindarin one."

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"...Would you be upset if I wanted to know your original one anyway? It...bothers me, people being forced to change something like that about themselves." She pauses. "I should definitely learn the dead twin's original name, if he never used the one you're using for him now."

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You shouldn't ask that sort of thing aloud where people might be listening, puts them in an awkward position. His name is Telufinwë Ambarto. Mine was Turkafinwë Tyelcormo; I went by Tyelcormo.

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I won't, then. Thank you.

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"Anyway, want to have a look at the mountain range?"

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"Oh, yes."

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He smiles and leans back to watch her.

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Over the course of a few hours the rocks blocking the path dissolve into sand, flow up the sides and along the bottom, and press down to make a firm, steady sandstone floor and walls.

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And there's a pass through the mountains. He hasn't asked how magic is learned, because academic skills are just not ones he tends to pick up, but he may have to grit his teeth and ask someone to help him with this one.

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It's a shame he doesn't ask her so she can explain just how not-academic it can be if you want it to.

"Done," she says finally. "You had a list, right? What was next on it?"

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"Shall we waltz through there and bring a drought-ridden community some water for their fields? They're mortal so they're also probably dying of various things."

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"Yes, and I should teach some of them magic so I don't have to waltz back in in a few decades to de-age them again. I'm honestly disturbed by how easy it is to do, why the hell does anyone in my world die of old age."

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"Religious teaching that there's a happy afterlife? Lots of the Men here have that, I think."

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"We have some of that, but there exist people who would welcome de-aging and aren't getting it. So far the least disturbing and most plausible option that's crossed my mind is that mages just don't usually want to bother running around altruistically saving peoples' lives."

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"Can't they accept pay for it?"

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"Yeah...I'm really not sure what was going on. And won't be able to find out until and unless I can teleport home, which even if killing the Enemy weren't more important I wouldn't want to try without my sister on hand in case I couldn't teleport back."

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"Fair. Well, I bet this world will swiftly have no one in it age. Having Elves around really makes Men aware of the advantages. Hey, after we win, you can bring people from your world who aren't sure if they want to die, to convince them."

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"Sounds like fun."

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"Huan says he'll run rather than fly this time, he can keep up with us."

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"Okay." She puts him down. "Sooo...I'm assuming the, what did you call them, the smaller gods, are less, um, problematic? Than the Valar."

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"More variety. There are some truly awful ones, but there are also ones who are within their domain perfectly decent. And some who are very good, though very limited."

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"So more like people in general, then."

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"Yep."

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"Makes sense. Is there any particular reason he didn't just tell me directly he wanted me to stop flying him?"

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"...he's a dog?"

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"I mean, yes, but he's also a person? Osanwe worked fine on the spiders."

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"Right but if he wanted to communicate in language the way people speak it he probably wouldn't have chosen to be a dog. He can, but it'd have to be something really really important, because it's not how he prefers to orient his mind. Also osanwë with the Maiar is quite the experience."

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"And you can talk to him anyway?" she sounds genuinely impressed.

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"I can talk with animals, in general, and with Huan because he is a dog."

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"Cool."

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"It's useful. Even my father couldn't pick it up when he tried, which probably means it can't be learned at all, but still."

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"How come you can do it, then?"

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"Maybe Eru thought it was cruel to create a son of Fëanor who was unintelligent in a family of geniuses and not particularly gifted in anything our people value, and decided to throw something in for me."

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"My universe isn't usually fair like that," she admits. "That sounds...hard."

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"Harder in Valinor, where everything I was good at was an interesting hobby rather than something that created value for other people. Less hard here, now that shooting things and tracking things and battlefield medicine are bona fide value-creators."

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"I can imagine. Um...I'm not sure what you think learning magic's like, but it's way more about keeping going despite pain and wanting things than it is about any kind of intellectual ability."

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"That's interesting. ...no wonder Maedhros has taken to it, he's going to be a terror. He's also going to die the minute the Enemy does, but - 

 

How does one do magic?"

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"So far all efforts to describe it verbally have failed. It feels like" this.

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"Huh. And how do I test whether I'm doing it?"

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"It hurts. Do you have any chronic pain issues that you might not notice it over?"

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"It's not hard to tell who's been captured by the Enemy, they are always mutilated."

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"That doesn't surprise me."

Not that it stopped her osanwe channel from being flooded with rage like a wildfire, for a moment.

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"It surprises a lot of people. The extent of it. They can't really imagine what they'd do if they were evil, I suppose, or how long five years really is..."

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"It doesn't--intellectually--surprise me." She is going to ANNIHILATE him.

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He laughs. "You're going to have to not get yourself killed, first."

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"I can do that."

And then they are the rest of the way to this human town and maybe she needs to work something better out because teaching people takes time, time she's not doing anything else--she can fix that. Maedhros (what was his real name? She doesn't ask, but it bothers her) was practicing with the rock from the moment he could. She can do little things while she's not doing big ones--her hair can start growing, slowly but faster than naturally--the stitching in her bra can rearrange itself into a perfect embroidery of the nerve system in a human hand--she coaxes a speck of dust inside her shoe to grow up to be a pebble and then cease to exist--every time she thinks of something magic and discreet she can do, she does it. And she heals people and de-ages them, and teaches them, and if she can do something with a little magic or a lot she goes with a lot because damn her habits she needs to be stronger.

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He watches and recognizes and tries making dirt rise in puffs on the ground, steadily bigger ones.

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That works.

And when they are done in that village she says, "What next?"

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"Can you divert and dam a river?"

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"Yep. Where?"

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He points at the earth below them. "The Gelion, splits Caranthir's territory from Maglor's, I don't actually know what we'll do with a dam in the short term other than control flooding but in the long term we can use it to generate a sort of magic that flows in metal."

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"A sort of...oh, the stuff that works with magnets?"

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"Your world has it? Curufin thinks it'll be really valuable but the applications aren't military so it's been on the drawing board for a while."

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"It's not broadly known, but my sister can do some really clever things with magnets--I suppose she hasn't been prioritizing them at the moment--so she figured it out. If it's more than an oddity of the physical world I'm sure she'll be happy to hear about it."

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"Great. This here is the longest section of river with no one living along it. I told the people south of here to expect some flooding today and some supplies and relief afterwards, so if you make a mess no worries."

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"Can you osanwe me exactly where the river should go?"

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He draws her a mental picture.

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She carves a trench in the earth according to the picture and stops up the river where it shouldn't go anymore.

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"Thank you. What's your range like?"

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"Better than it was a few days ago," she says with a thin-lipped smile. "But still not good enough to get across an ocean. What're you thinking of?"

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"It won't change the course of the war or anything, but Angband's in a mountain range and it'd be delightful if those mountains came crumbling down. He will almost certainly retaliate and we'd have to do it from Himring."

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"Might take a while, but I don't object."

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"Great. Fly straight north."

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"Mm-hm." She flies.

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It's not a long flight to Himring, not at her speeds. Huan arrives only a minute behind them, and bounds up to Celegorm to lick his face. "All right," he says. "We have Angband besieged from three sides, but we can't stretch supply lines that far north and whenever Morgoth wants to move armies out he just sends them north. You can see it from here now that you have our vision, right?"

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"Yes, I can see it."

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"We can bring you food and so forth while you work, if that's convenient."

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"That would be kind," she says, eyes in the distance, urging the mountaintops to crumble.

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It's actually been, what, five years since they've seen each other? Celegorm turns to look at his brother. She's going to be able to do it, eventually, if she lives long enough.

Maedhros is watching the northern horizon with a grim smile. All right.

If we don't get resurrection until long after the war ends, do you want us to bring you back when we can?

Maedhros doesn't do facial expressions. He had to relearn them and now they are entirely intentional. But his heart rate is a few seconds out ahead of his conscious decision to return his heart rate to normal. I am not dead.

Must have slipped my mind when I asked the question.

Are you asking 'if you die during the war'?

Yeah, Celegorm says, that

Once you can it would be strange if you didn't, it would be a sort of dereliction of duty on my part. 

 

I'm sorry. I didn't think of that. And he heads off to get them all dinner.

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It's almost a shame that Odette can't hear any of that; it would probably have gotten a ton or two of stone out of the way quicker. But it's not like she doesn't have plenty of fuel to genuinely want any and every terrible thing she can imagine brought down on the Enemy's head any way she can do it.

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They sit there over dinner and practice making rocks float in the air. Maedhros is getting very adept at it.

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These are irritatingly large mountains, irritatingly far away. When next they check in on her, she'll have made visible progress, but not much more than that.

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Well, they can sit up all night. I want to know if Cáno can give her a power boost, he thinks. If it's powered by will -

Maedhros smiles. That'd be interesting.

Careful, of course. Not "I'd be interested", or "I'd like", so if he feels nothing at all and hasn't for centuries he is still technically not lying. The smile should count as a lie, but whoever'd defined lying had underestimated the power of Maedhros' smiles. Even thinking this, he's matching it, reflexively, feeling a swell of pride - yeah, it's a good idea. I'll ask him tomorrow.

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All night works. She's going to be filing those mountains like recalcitrant fingernails until someone tells her to sleep or she collapses from exhaustion. Die.

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How often do Men need to sleep?

Maedhros is juggling rocks without touching them. Every night, I think.

All right. "Odette," he says, "they'll still be there in the morning."

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Right. "Fine," she says, with irritation but no argument.

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"Oh, good. I was prepared to actually bodily carry you downstairs on the grounds that using force on someone who could easily stop you if she wanted to doesn't really count, but not doing that is clearly better."

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I suspect you're treating me the way you treated your father and I feel guilty for not being going to bring him back as soon as I can, she keeps the hell out of her osanwe channel. "If I'm going to go anyway I may as well make it as painless as possible for both of us," she agrees aloud.

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"Thank you. Maedhros says you already have a guest room. It is gloomy and practical because Maedhros designed Himring and he finds deep and soaring beauty in gloomy and practical things. If you are more effective in an environment that has flowers or windows or stained glass, I can arrange for those things, and he can't even complain because under the circumstances they would be practical." This speech brings them to the door of the guest room. "Good night."

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She goes back to 'her' room. She left the clothes she arrived in there--are they still there?

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They are. They seem to have been carefully washed and folded.

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She sits on the bed and holds the fabric to her chest for a minute. Then she puts it aside and climbs under the covers and goes to sleep.

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He knocks on the door precisely three hours after sunrise when she has had six hours of sleep, which might not be the amount mortals need but seems tolerable. "For the record, I don't care if we get my brother back one day sooner and will happily turn around and let you sleep all day if you tell me that in your considered opinion more rest will help you."

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"How long has it been? For best general maintainence purposes I should get eight hours at least twice a week and as little as six on other days."

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"Six. I can do that. Also if you have an idea for how we can reacquire the Silmarils they make Elves need sleep half as often and might do the same for Men, I'm not sure."

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"What's a Silmaril?"

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"They have general and specific restorative powers and are very important to the possibility of Elves living outside of the direct supervision of the Valar. The Enemy holds them. At last intelligence, which -' he gestures in Maedhros' direction - "is four hundred fifty years old - "he wore them in his crown."

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"Considering whose fortress we're in it probably shouldn't come as a surprise that I'm somewhat leery of going anywhere near that place before I am much surer of my capabilities than I currently am."

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"Yeah, I think we probably won't get them back until the war's over. But I'd be remiss if I didn't mention a possible solution to your sleep needs, just in case moving inanimate objects turned out to be easy to do with magic or something."

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"Well...I can move those mountains from here. But I can see them. I guess there's no harm in trying, but I wouldn't expect it to work.

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He sends osanwë images of them, radiant and making the room around them radiant. "In case you want to try."

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She gasps softly in delight. "They're beautiful."

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"Memory rather fails to capture it. But yes, they are. They're also really important. My grandfather died trying to keep them out of the enemy's hands."

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"I'm sorry to hear that. I'll try." She goes back to her window. She tries to extend feelers of sympathy information-gathering to see if she can find them. She recoils.

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"No - maybe someday, or no - never?"

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"More like, you didn't mention that his nasty had metaphysically soaked into the countryside. Ugh." She shakes her head. "I'll try again, this time expecting to have to wade through metaphorical raw sewage."

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"Ah. All right."

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She wrinkles her nose and tries again. After a while she shakes her head. "His--whatever the hell that was--was messing with me too much. I have no idea if this is the kind of thing I'm likely to grow past before I've gotten strong enough that it ceases to be an issue; I've never seen anything like it at home."

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"Don't worry about it. More mountains?"

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"Yep." Grind grind grind.

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Around midafternoon, the earth quakes and the mountains around Angband erupt, throwing millions of tons of rock, ash, and smoke into the air, near-instantly killing everyone within eight miles, and sending a superheated cloud of smoke and dust racing across the plains of northern Beleriand. The siege of Angband ends.

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The fuck?

She has good reflexes, but not that good--she doesn't react to the initial blast in time--she can't destroy the emissions, not quickly enough, but she can--they can clump together and halt their horizontal momentum, they can fall to the ground without killing anyone else--

Most of them can, anyway. She isn't perfect. Not yet.

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They're moving. Get back to Aglon, Maedhros says.

Odette seems busy, but she can fly me in in a day or two even if everything's besieged, it's not going to fall in a day. Is everyone north of here dead?

Yes.

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Eventually she has gotten all the volcanic matter she usefully can out of the air, and she sends, What the hell was that? Besides the obvious.

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We were worried we did not have much time. It seems the Enemy has begun an offensive. 

My cousins Angrod and Aegnor have the heights of Dorthonion, the mountain range north of the spiders and east of here. They settled a bunch of Men in the foothills. Can you get them out?

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Yep. They'll probably be confused and alarmed by sudden flight, but that's better than dead. Where can I put them? she asks as she launches herself out the window.

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Southern Thargelion. He lights up a stretch of a map. Or here if that'd take you too long, I can have them escorted the rest of the way. Food there will have to be a problem for three days from now, we had cavalry on the plains of Lothlann and there are some survivors coming back in, injured.

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I'll see what seems sensible when I get there, she decides.

She doesn't bother trying to muffle the sounds of her approach this time. She can fix her ears when she gets there.

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Human villages, more populous than those in Estolad, and with defenses, and currently dusted in drifts of smoke and ash. There's a lake. It looks like many of the people have run to it and jumped in. There are thousands of them.

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She can destroy mountains (if slowly) and clear tons of rubble she can lift these people--

I'm on your side! she sends. I'm here to get you somewhere safe!

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This causes, if anything, more panic. People turn wildly to look for her.

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Well, she's floating in the air, a chunk of her hair mussed wildly from her braid by the supersonic winds, her eyes are glowing silver, and she has an expression of intense rage and concentration on her face. She's...probably not a very calming sight.

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And then Maedhros's voice, calm, chilling, loud even though he must be back at Himring. We are evacuating your people to safety in the south. Necessities will be provided there. You have time to find your children, no time to gather possessions. It may be possible to come back for them. Please assemble on the shores of the Aeluin, this may take several trips.

To Odette: Will it?

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Er, I'm already floating all of them.

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Amusement. I will trust then that you didn't float anyone straight through the ceiling of their house.

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I'm floating all of the ones I could see, she amends. Hadn't quite gotten to checking for the ones I couldn't when you entered the conversation.

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I did not realize how fast you fly. There should be small children in the houses.

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Doors and shutters fling themselves open, and small children--and anyone else who was still in a house--gets collected too. In your opinion would it be tactically better to have me sooner or the men you would need to escort these people?

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I don't suppose you can turn the plains of Lothlann into a mountain range while escorting those people?

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I'm not sure I could do that quickly enough to help even if I wasn't carrying people. You saw how slow I was destroying those mountains, and in general breaking is easier than making.

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A gaping crevasse would also be useful. Take them to Thargelion, they're probably going to be too shaken up for a long walk once you land them.

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Fair point. I still probably shouldn't try it while carrying people. It would be bad if my concentration slipped enough that I dropped one, even for a minute. I can try it on the way back, though.

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Thank you.

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She takes them to Thargelion. She has to go slower, making sure to not drop anyone and if she goes supersonic she has to carry enough air and muffle the sound well enough not to make them any more anxious than was inevitable, and every minute chafes, but she gets there, and she leaves her charges with someone who can presumably smooth their justifiably ruffled metaphorical feathers, and then she zips back to the plains of Lothlann and attempts to render them impassable.

How wide does the crevasse need to be?

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Thirty feet, if you can manage it.

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So she...pries the earth apart, compacting the earth into stone until she has a hole in the ground thirty feet square and deep enough that it should be a serious problem. Then she does it again, adjacent. Then again. How long does it need to be?

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Everywhere you do it is a place we're going to have an easier time holding. The plains are a hundred miles across but I'm recalling you as soon as anything changes because the Enemy must have realized by now that he ought to target you. 

My brother has magic that generally enhances others in some respect - resilience, tiredness, will, energy. We intended to test whether his abilities can help you use yours. Care to test that now?

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He is on his way.

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Thank you. Dig dig dig compress.

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He rides up a short time later. This is impressive. We should have started you on it a week sooner - not that we could have anticipated this. Can anything plausibly go wrong if this works as well as we hope and you're suddenly much stronger?

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Don't stand where you might fall in if the part of the chasm I'm currently working on were suddenly much wider.

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He rides around to be well clear of it, then starts singing. The clouds of ash in the air start moving as if caught in a windstorm.

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Ooh.

The chasm-bit she's currently working on jerks outwards to a bit more than thirty feet, and she starts parting the land from there like butter under a hot knife. The chasm still isn't extending faster than a horse could run, but it's much swifter and smoother than before.

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He smiles, and they keep that up until the sky darkens further.

There's something coming, Maedhros says. Odette, get back here. Cáno, if you can't hold the Gap get your people to Himring -

Maglor's response isn't in the language Odette is familiar with.

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Is Cáno you? she asks Maglor. I don't know all the names everyone seems to have.

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You are unfamiliar with that name because it is not legal and outside our heads it would be costly to speak it. My brother is being sentimental, or pretending to be sentimental, or something like that, because it is unclear to him how we'll hold the Gap and yet we really really can't afford not to.

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I already got the linguistic blackmail explanation from Celegorm. I won't say it aloud.

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A  substantial part of those among my forces who have leave to enter Doriath have run off today to do so. If we survive this there will be lots of racial resentment that is awkward to fix. We can at a minimum not compound it.

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As I said, I won't say it aloud.

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Odette, come in. We are not risking you against unknown enemies.

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Coming! She zooms back as fast as she can push herself.

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Thank you. It occurred to me too late that I did not know you well enough to know if you'd listen to us on that. Once we know more about whatever's coming you are welcome to go make its life difficult.

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You've been fighting him for centuries. I've been here less than a week. I really want to live long enough to resurrect your brother and reduce the Enemy to his component whatever-the-fuck he's made of.

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The Enemy knows approximately how good our scrying is and has lit the whole northern plains on fire and chosen this method of opening the war. I can only assume because he has something he does not want to give us much time to react to. Here are what we've known him to deploy - and he starts flashing memories of old battles and of the same creatures at rest and lumbering through the depths of Angband.

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Ugh. Can she feel any of these things, if she coaxes the world to let her know of their existence in the relevant direction?

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There are, in fact, many thousands of orcs headed in their direction. There are things that seem to match some of the other things he's showing. And there is very certainly something Else.

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Lots of orcs. Lots of orcs. Some of these things, she shows him, and--a thing, I can't tell what it is but it worries me. She shows him what she got of the something Else.

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He does not react. Thus why we're not having you out there. Can you do anything about the smoke and I assume accompanying magical cover?

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Fuck the possible meteorological damage, there's already been volcanic eruptions. Have large quantities of wind, smoke, shoo.

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"Ah," he says, and then Cáno, I think it can cross the crevasse.

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"Holy fucking shit what is that thing." And will it just DIE if she tells it to.

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It doesn't. The Elves wheel around to try to figure out how best to meet it.

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Dammit. Will deep cuts open in its hide if she asks nicely?

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That one works. It's an easy advantage for the Elves to follow up on, too. It writhes and breathes fire and knocks several people flying.

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Okay, she's going to see if she can balance decapitating it with suppressing its fire.

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She can suppress the range of the fire, but it seems to intensify, white-hot and scouring only the area directly in front of it. She manages to hack at its neck, but even several strokes aren't through it.

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If she can't hack through its spinal column can she go for the arteries? And can she, hmm, spreading out the fire so much that it dissipates to harmless warmth seems unfortunately lethal in the intervening steps, can she redirect the fire away from people?

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She can do that. They get more daring when they notice it's going around them. Every gash she opens in the dragon is stabbed and shot and hacked a second later. It writhes again, rolling and lashing across the ground and crushing everyone nearby.

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Can she teleport the crushed people who are not yet dead here and heal them.

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She can bring them back here, yes. Most of them aren't dead yet; the Eldar die slowly.

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Once she's confident they're stable she's going to go back to ripping that thing's fucking throat out.

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It runs. It takes one too many slashes, or perhaps one a bit too deep, and the dust and smoke roars up around it and it heads back north.

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It will be lifted off the ground and unable to run.

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It writhes in midair, sweeping dust into a storm around it, until the dust ignites and blasts cracks in the ground and surrounding area. The Elves by now are staying well back.

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It will stay in the air and have its throat ripped out and she will carve through its soft underbelly up the inside of its ribcage and to its fucking heart.

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"I approve of your approach to problem-solving," Maedhros says, watching it stop moving. "Are you all right? Orcs and Balrogs they're prepared to handle, you can take a break now if you need it."

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"I'm great. Point me at something else."

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So he provides a mental image of a Balrog. Don't make them explode too near my brothers, please.

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They explode? I'll be careful, then. She picks the one she can see that's farthest away from any elves and encourages it to do that a little early, as proof of concept.

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They're going to hold the Gap. He knows it as soon as he sees the fireball envelop everything near where the Balrog had been. Send her to Dorthonion, hope that Thauron's not in play anywhere on this field? Hold her back, hope that the sister is with Findekáno and that he'll rush straight for Dorthonion -

Once you've taken out all of those you can seewe're going west again, can you land an army where you took the refugees?

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How big an army? Probably, but it would probably be better to warn them, I wasn't very careful of those poor refugees, she winces slightly. Another Balrog explodes, this time after a stone wall sprang out of the earth to shield nearby elves from the blast.

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Tell me what you can handle and I'll have that many people assembled outside by the time you're done here.

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The refugees were...a few thousand? I could do about...a fifth again as many as there were refugees, I think, without a significant reduction in speed from how fast I was carrying them. More stone walls. More exploding balrogs.

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All right. We'll be assembled outside shortly, I'll tell you when.

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Sure, she says. She should be horrified, she knows, this is a battle, people are dying.

But damn it feels nice that the evil things are just rolling over and dying at her command. Finally, something terrible she can completely fix.

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Now.

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Neatly organized people who are expecting it are, it turns out, easier to carry! She can actually go faster than when she had the refugees.

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And they're flying across the countryside. If Morgoth had made his move one week sooner -

We're going straight east once we land. Don't let anything anywhere near Odette.

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If we're still going east, why are we landing?

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I don't know what we're going into and under circumstances less serious than these my cousin would be unamused at my landing an army in his territory without leave and might in fact have defenses prepared against that.

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Makes sense. Which cousin? The one my sister's with?

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I have seven cousins, used to have nearly twenty. This is not the one your sister's with, though I imagine if Eithel Sirion isn't hemmed in he'll be trying to do the same thing I'm trying to do.

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Noted. Wishful thinking on my part.

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...you wanted her to be in the kingdom that's not responding to my communications, is under some kind of magical smoke and ash cloud that makes it impossible to see what's going on, and where everyone may already be dead?

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If she's there, they're not already dead, she says firmly. Illia's no great mage but she's stubborn as fuck. No, I just wanted to see her in person again.

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Once the fighting's over I'm sure that won't be a problem.

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Yeah...I probably could have seen her sooner than this but kept prioritizing other things. It's probably best for both of us if I go once the crisis is over.

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I suppose that's also a thing of Men - when my twin brothers were living they were inseparable, but after the first century was out that meant 'didn't go a month without each other', not 'didn't go a week'.

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Well. We're not a century old, yet. Dammit she is going to bring that man back to life if it is the last thing she does.

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And they're there. He'd really like to make contact with Angrod before tearing through the hills, but he's also not going to sit there waiting. One last time - This is Maedhros, we're coming to your assistance -

And this time an answer. Not from Angrod. Maitimo, Sauron's here

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Is something wrong?

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Tougher fight than I expected, he says lightly, the Enemy must really want my cousins dead. How well do you do when the other side has magic?

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Less good. But still not bad, I think--can the other side fly?

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I haven't seen him at it. If he can knock you down, though - 

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I have good reflexes. I...I think I can get away, even if I can't win. If I try.

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Findekáno, run.

Yeah, thought you'd say that. I'm - not willing to let him have this.

Findekáno, I have assets that I can't justify risking here, run.

I think I can get them out. 

 

In the interests of full disclosure, Maedhros says to Odette, I think the correct strategic decision is to tell you to go home. But. If you can dismiss patches of the magical visibility effects blanketing the area and check whether we'll trip anything if we charge in -

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I will try and if it doesn't work I will leave.

She focuses very, very hard on explaining to the area why it is incorrect for the visibility to be obscured.

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He addresses all his people, including her, though maybe it'll affect her concentrationWe're going in, but not far, and just to take the pressure off the other front, which is trying to extract anyone they can save. Thauron's here. Pick a fight and then pull back, when you're losing run.

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She considers asking who Thauron is, thinks better of it, promises herself she'll do it later, and focuses on clearing up the visibility.

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They go in. 

Even with Odette improving the visibility, it's walking in practically blind; orcs come lunging out at them from ground that seconds ago looked perfectly clear. There's another Balrog

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The orcs can simply be ordered to die. The balrog...gets completely enclosed in stone before detonating, since she can't be sure there aren't other Elves behind it.

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And that gets something's attention. The magical darkness comes back with a vengeance, and it looks for a second like the Balrog fireball swallows the stone and the whole army and leaves all their lifeless corpses charred on the ground -

Odette, Maedhros says, run.

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She shoots into the sky like a rocket.

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The air jerks and twists like it's trying to drag her back.

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Fuck that. She's broken the sound barrier, a little turbulence is nothing. But--

Should I have gotten you too? Should I get you too? She calls down to Maedhros (and only Maedhros, not that--whatever it was).

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I don't think he wants me dead.

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I know some of what happened to you. Does he want you worse than dead?

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That would not actually at this point require him to lift a finger. Go home, Odette. We are fairly competent at fighting under these conditions and will make it out.

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Okay.

She flies away.

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They advance very slowly, under the conditions. Nothing challenges them. The air is getting angrier. There's howling.

Ready to run now?

We haven't even seen anything happening yet, Findekáno grumbles.

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Odette...flies. And keeps a sharp eye out for Balrogs, because she could really do with some appropriate violence after that remark.

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And then the enemies fall in on them from all sides - invisible, of course they had been  - and the sky goes even darker above them and they watch friends and family who aren't even on this battlefield cut down in front of them - 

I'm a bit bored, he says to Thauron, and orders them to fall back, a close fighting retreat. You've done all this before. Starved for new material?

Want me to end the game now?

Yes.

Thauron doesn't, of course. They make it out beyond the range of the enemy and head for Himring, which is probably handling the siege just fine due to having Odette present to murder things that no one else can touch. He notifies her that they're safe once in range. 

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Odette has been extremely murdering things.

Thank you for letting me know, she says, goes back to murdering things, and promises herself that she's going to sing praises to Aten until her voice gives out at some point in the near future, because maybe he doesn't exist but the gods that she knows do exist for sure are awful.

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They make it back to Himring by what would be nightfall were the sky visible at all. We're going to need ten thousand people in the Gap at any given time to hold it, he says, so move them. Then he takes off his armor, which is going to need to be refitted because it was designed for the absent hand, and cleans blood out of things and wonders if Celegorm's still being responsible for talking her down when she needs rest.

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She will rest when there aren't any things left to murder. Or when Celegorm tells her to. One of those things.

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"Hey. The bad guys'll still be there in the morning. You're going to bed. Do you need anything?"

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"...When was the last time I ate?"

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"This morning. I'll have someone meet us with food in your room. I'm sorry, I should track that too. Three times a day?"

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"Ideally, but if I have a choice between missing a meal now and then and killing a giant fucking dragon thing, or not doing that, it's okay if I don't get three meals absolutely every day."

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"Noted. I can have people bring you things you can eat without looking at them and with at least one hand free, if that helps."

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"Noted. Also, holy shit, that was a giant fucking dragon thing, do I even want to know where he got it."

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"We don't really know. He creates them. I don't know the process at all, and Maedhros might but is unreliable on questions about the inner functions of Angband."

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"I don't think I'd want to know that badly anyway."

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"I don't think it causes him any pain to talk about it. Or - not more than it causes him to talk about the weather."

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"Well, yes, but I can only carry around so much rage at any given time. Venting it on highly murderable servants of the Enemy helps, but I half think I'd explode like a Balrog if I actually had to hear him talk about it in that tone of voice that means that everything is so terrible forever that this doesn't stand out."

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"In that case don't ask, yeah. Do I need to supervise you eating? Do I need to find someone who can give you hugs and so forth until we retrieve your sister?"

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"Please don't try to retrieve her. I can go visit her and she's doing good work where she is, and it's far more efficient to have us in two different places. I don't require supervision while eating, and I would absolutely love a hug from anyone who genuinely wanted to give me one, but if someone would only be doing it to keep me in good working order, then don't bother. And if the contents of this conversation were going to lead you to tell him that it would be for the best if he started pretending to be okay--please, please don't."

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"He told you to get out of a fight that you could plausibly handle because in expectation it wasn't worth it and you listened and left. I am pretty sure that is his absolutely favorite character trait in people and the one that inclines him least to pretend for their sakes. And I would be happy to give you a hug it's just not in the core don't-let-the-only-people-who-can-fix-things-work-themselves-to-death skillset and I often end up leaning on Huan."

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"...I could definitely use a hug."

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He gives her a hug. He is careful not to touch her hair, but it is otherwise a very forceful hug.

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She is maybe burrowing a little. "I keep telling myself I'll adjust," she says. "But I don't--I've always wanted for the world to be okay and for everyone to be okay and I knew that was never going to happen--my mother's parents died when she was fifteen," she says. "They were murdered, and she was kidnapped, and the man who did it forced her to learn magic that she had an aptitude for but no resistance to. And you know what? She got away from him, and killed him with it, and she married my father, and she had my sister and I, and she's okay now. But even if resurrecting humans suddenly became possible, and my grandparents came back to life right this minute, Odette Eisenstern and Iakovah Lehnsherr would still have missed the rest of their daughter's childhood. That's something that cannot be fixed, ever. And that's always bothered me. It's such a little thing, comparatively! But I cannot remember a time in my life when--when I wasn't just sad about it sometimes. And this is so much worse, so profoundly worse, and--I tell myself, it's only been centuries, give him millions of years, billions, maybe someday he'll be okay again. But I don't know. And it will always have happened. You know when I first got here he expressed concern over how I'd handle a battlefield and honestly killing things is maybe the thing about this whole situation I've dealt with best."

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He holds her closer. "You know, I lived in a place that was perfect and nothing ever ever went wrong and everyone was okay. I - don't miss it. I don't think Maedhros misses it, even. I don't really believe in perfect things, or irrevocably broken ones. My brother is a silly idiot who plays his life at too many removes from it and we love him and he loves us and he can get happier when things get better, like the rest of us, but there's no searing flaw in the world because worlds just kind of are, and people just kind of carry on. The Enemy is pretty terrible and it is pretty great that you are tearing him apart. But a world can't be irrevocably tainted, and people can't be irrevocably broken, and it will always have happened but that won't always be a painful thought. The happiness that hurt people feel is the same as the happiness that whole people who live perfect lives feel, there's no tragedy in it.

On death I agree with you entirely.  Or, agree with the thing you just said."

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"I love my mother so much and I would never replace her with a version of her who had never been hurt like that," she says. "She wouldn't be her, not really. Which thing did I just say about death, that it's bad and it sucks that dead people are missing out on their loved ones' lives?"

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"Yes."

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"Yep." Oh hell don't think about Feanor right now you're trying to feel better. "I should probably feel guilty or something about all the Enemy's minions I've been killing. I didn't even check if the dragon-thing was a person or not. I don't, though."

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"Orcs are in constant pain when they're alive. Everything else is a Maia and technically doesn't die, just can't reassemble a form for a couple thousand years. I don't think 'should feel guilty' makes much sense, well, ever. The way of thinking about people where if they don't have guilt they'll do bad things - I don't think it works. And in your case it is obviously not applicable, even if it ever were. So you should feel - whatever you want. Whatever you do. Your life isn't a morality play for someone else's edification, you're the one who has to feel whatever you think you should be feeling."

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"I mean I'm concerned that my not feeling guilty might be a bad sign for me psychologically," she clarifies, "not that I'm somehow obligated to feel it. But thank you." She thinks for a moment and winces. "Um, I get in...moods, sometimes, and the most benign form of the mood is crying on someone, and, um, I could totally see myself getting worked up enough about Maedhros to find a random wall and punch it until my knuckles cracked with the hand he was missing until I fixed it. It's less likely, now, but. If this happens it's a bad sign and you should probably stop me."

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"Noted. And, what, give you a hug?"

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"Yeah. Um, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't do this if I weren't a good enough mage to fix it, after, but it's still a bad sign."

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"Hurting yourself because you deserve to suffer because you aren't God yet is a dangerous way to feel," he agrees. "I am happy to hug you and prevent you from doing that though obviously I cannot actually stop you."

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"The point is less that I deserve to suffer and more that the world is already so terrible that it doesn't really matter, but that...doesn't actually make it better. Anyway I seem to have myself pretty well convinced that you're allowed to boss me around for self-care stuff, so that's good."

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"There's a story I think you might like, because the people you remind me of like it. A path had been built in Valinor, through a grass field, and when there was a rainstorm worms would crawl up onto the cobblestones and when the rain ended they would be stuck and bake there in the heat of the Trees. And in that area lived three brothers, and they would walk the path to go get berries. 

The youngest brother was walking along the path one morning after a storm, and he saw the worms, and he started pulling them off the path and putting them back in the grass so they'd live.

Along came the second brother. 'That's kind of you,' he said, 'but foolish; there are thousands of rainstorms, and thousands of worms, and thousands of paths. You could do this all day for all the Ages of Arda, but what difference would it make?' And his brother picked another worm up off the path and put it in the grass and said 'makes a difference to this one'. 

And his brother was moved, and started helping.

And along came the third brother. 'That's kind of you,' he said, 'but foolish; there are thousands of rainstorms, and thousands of worms, and thousands of paths. You could do this all day for all the Ages of Arda, but what difference would it make?' And his brothers both shook their heads and said 'makes a difference to this one'. And he said 'sure, but we can do so much better than that! What if we made paths out of ceramic instead of stone, would that change worms getting trapped after rainstorms? What if we made holes in the tiles of the path so they could get back into the ground? If we start now, we can have a hundred tile types designed and put them out in the next rainstorm and see which kind keeps the worms safe on their own, without any need for intervention.'

And after a year of hard work they replaced all the paths in Valinor and then rainstorms were fine for worms.

 

The first part of the story is supposed to have the moral that even when things are terrible, good is always better than bad, happiness is always better than sadness, everyone always still matters. The second part of the story is supposed to have the moral that when things are terrible actually you should rip the universe apart at the roots and fix it. But I don't think it's supposed to cancel out the first."

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"You were right. I like that a lot. We have a similar story to the first part, with starfish being washed up on shore by the tides and left to dry out in the sun. But no one ever suggested doing anything to the shore to make sure starfish didn't wash up there in the future. I like your version a lot better." She sighs. "You're really great. If you have a whole family of geniuses I'm astonished they made do with only one of you."

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"The kinds of starfish that end up on beaches are designed to survive extended periods in the intertidal zone. I've heard that version too but it doesn't make very much sense. 

 

And my family didn't make it."

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"...Open mouth, insert foot. Do you know that I made a remark about tying knots being trivial, to Maedhros, after I found out about his hand but before I fixed it?"

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"I expect he would have much preferred that to being treated as an invalid."

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"He certainly seems to have made do. I--can be thoughtless, sometimes, is my point. I'm sorry."

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"You aren't going to offend me. Though if you like, we can say you get one slip-up for every unkillable monster you destroy."

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She giggles. "I prefer not to do it. Noticing and apologizing helps me get better at not doing it in the future. But I appreciate the sentiment."

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And he holds her silently until she has relaxed slightly.

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"Thanks," she says when that's happened and they've let go. "Best impromptu therapist."

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"Good night, Odette. I will wake you when we need you."

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"Good night." And she goes back to her room and sleeps.

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They spend the night figuring out how to have enough people on the front lines, indefinitely, with current casualty rates and current Thindar desertion-for-Doriath rates. It can't be done, but that's all right, these casualties aren't acceptable anyway. He works and stares north and replays Thauron's voice in his head.

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And in the morning Odette wakes up, looks at the dress she arrived in again, puts it on and heads back to the window to start murdering things again.

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"You may head in closer to the battlefield today if that advantages you in some way. We're not facing anything unknown and there's sufficient visibility that I'd have warning if it snuck up on us. Also, Nolofinwë communicated today that your sister is well and sleeping off magical exhaustion."

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"Oh, yeah, that doesn't really surprise me. What-all did she do, did he say? Can she explode Balrogs too? They didn't have to deal with a dragon-thing down there, did they?"

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"I can ask him this evening. They did not face a dragon-thing. They're better-positioned to hold Eithel Sirion than we are to hold the Gap - they only have to defend one pass through a mountain range."

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"I should have contacted her. But, no, I might have distracted her at a crucial moment. I think I haven't fully gotten used to osanwe yet."

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"There is a way to broadcast something such that someone will get it if they're listening, and not otherwise. At the speed you fly it would presumably only be a few hours' travel if you desired to see her?"

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"Yeah. Not that much point right now if she's asleep, though."

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"No. But assuming there are several million orcs, which there probably are, and that once they wear us down they'll dig in and sit there, which they probably will, this will last all winter and at some point you'll want to go say hello."

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"Is that a problem? I want to see her, but not so much I'll let people die over it."

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"No, I imagine it would be good for your emotional health. I'd get distressed if they tried to talk you into staying over there, but I am unsure if they would."

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"If they do I'll say no. Even apart from the fact that it's far more efficient for us to be in different places, Celegorm is really great at helping out with my emotional health."

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He smiles faintly. "Are you heading out to the field, or do you just want a spot here with a clear line of sight?"

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"I'll head out for a while," she decides. "It's probably more efficient that way."

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"All right. I don't suppose you can modify my armor so it works while I annoyingly now have an extra hand?"

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"Show me what it should look like?"

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"I meant what it should look like modified for two hands," she says after a stunned pause.

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"I'm not really sure. I'm accustomed to fighting this way, if there's a way to avoid modifying the entire secondary weapon design."

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"The secondary weapon design was very clever! But I'm not really an engineer, giant glass spiderbubble notwithstanding. I should see if Illia can figure something out when she wakes up."

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"I will take it to the person who designed it. He'll come up with something, he just can't mold metal with his thoughts."

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"Once someone else has a design, I can implement it."

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"I'll let him know. Do you want armor? We can work up something like this in your proportions, the metal is mithril and even without any magic beyond what goes into the crafting we are effectively invincible."

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"I think I would like that. What's mithril?"

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"It's a metal that is unusually conducive to being enchanted and therefore possible to craft nearly-indestructible things out of. It's also accordingly possible to design to be resistant to other magic. I'm actually uncertain if you could instantly kill me, were I armored."

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"I have no desire whatsoever to kill you but it might be a good idea to see if it does in fact resist my kind of magic."

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"I should have done the test yesterday while already armored, it takes a while to put on." But he nods to someone who starts doing so.

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"I think we all had other things on our minds yesterday. Speaking of, what's up with that Thauron guy?"

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"He is one of Morgoth's more powerful lieutenants. If you fought him you would lose."

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"That part I gathered when you told me to run."

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"He can, broadly, either make a battlefield awful for an army or kill someone specifically. If he had any idea what you were capable of I think he would attempt the latter."

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"He tried to stop me leaving, with winds. It didn't work. I...hope I could survive if he decided to prioritize killing me. I'm not confident of it."

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"It seems likely, but not likely enough to warrant the risk, not when we were really only there to ensure that a fight my cousins would otherwise have lost had two fronts and therefore gave them a chance of getting out alive."

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"Sounds like the right decision. Of course, if he's not quite as bad as Morgoth, and I've already promised myself that I'm going to get strong enough to kill him, somewhere along the way I'm sure I'll manage to get him too. Assuming I don't die before then."

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"An assumption I have more confidence in than I did a few days ago, since you actually do retreat when so told. Let's ride out; on the way you can check whether my armor does anything about your magic."

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"I really don't want to die, and I trust you enough to follow your orders. Ride? I don't know how to ride a horse."

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"In that case we'll ride and you can fly."

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"Will it be important to have horses once we're there?"

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"For us, yes. It is much easier to fight large numbers of people on the ground who have swords if you are not on the ground and have much longer swords. You can fly, so probably not for you."

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"Do you have polearms? I...could fly a horse, except that it would be a terrible idea for refugee-reminiscent reasons. You know what, I've always said it's good to be well-rounded. I can learn to ride a horse."

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"Tyelcormo can probably warn a horse that you're going to fly it, though he'd need more than a few minutes' notice. As long as you can use magic to keep yourself from flying off you won't do worse than annoy it, and I can send you detailed physical instructions. Let's go."

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"Alright."

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They've permitted the enemy to close to within thirty miles of Himring because it simplifies communication and supply lines. Orcs aren't competent, just endless. He has a reputation at this point. They flee before him. It does not save them. I am trusting you can find things to do.

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Yep. If there's anything more threatening than an orc around, she'll snipe it; otherwise she just introduces orcs to various painless yet lethal conditions.

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This lasts all day. When the sun sets the Elves currently killing orcs rotate out in a rather practiced fashion. 

You're coming back with us, he says, our shifts are designed for Elves and not Men in the first place and no one should spend more than twelve hours on a horse the first time they're on a horse.

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I mean if I minded pain I wouldn't be anywhere near this good as a mage but sure.

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I'm not worried about pain, I'm worried you will topple off. 

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I have magic for that!

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In that case I will worry less. We're still headed in. You haven't eaten three meals today.

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I'm not protesting that part, she says, and she does come back.

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And he gets her food, and brushes Huan, and hums something under his breath that makes muscle aches lessen.

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She eats, and then she tips her head back and sings. It's not magical, whatever she's singing, and it's in her language, and she's not osanweing the contents to anyone, and she is only human, but she's not bad for a human.

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He smiles and listens for a minute and then comes up with something that harmonizes well and adds it in.

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Wow.

When she's finished the song, she says, "That was a hymn to Aten. He might be fictional, but...he's part of my home. My culture. I don't want to forget. And I love the music for its own sake."

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"It seems to me like making gods fictional strictly improves them."

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"You may have something there," she giggles. "I'm going to start another one, do you want me to send you what it means?"

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"I would."

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She does. It's a song of praise to Aten-as-sun for all the good things the sun provides, like light and warmth and the fact that these things make plants possible.

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"You know, I'm older than the Sun."

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"...What, really?"

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"Yes. When we were born the Valar had not yet set it in the sky; most of the world was lit only by the stars, and Valinor was lit by a gift of Yavanna, the Vala of plants, in the form of two enormous shining trees."

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"Huh. Where I'm from, the Sun is a gigantic ball of burning stardust and the Earth orbits it." She creates an illusion of the Solar system. "Distances and sizes of various objects not to scale. The giant ball of fire in the middle is the sun, and that's the Earth," she says, pointing at the little blue ball third from the center.

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"Cool. Not here; the Valar put the Sun and Moon in the sky, and keep them in motion."

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"Considering the Valar's track record I am slightly nervous about this."

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"They're not all bad. The Sun's been doing the same thing every day for half a millennium at this point."

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Welp that sure is a smile and you were doing so well at not having any of those kinds of feelings for the unfairly hot elves who consider you jailbait.

She very carefully packs that reaction into a corner of her brain where it won't bleed into osanwe and replies, "My world's sun is billions of years old. Older than the planet."

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"Ah.

 

I am not older than your Sun, then."

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"Doesn't surprise me. If you were billions of years old centuries would be...less of a big deal than they seem to be." She giggles. "There's actually something where I think in larger spans of time than you!"

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"There are probably many things. I've been told I'm impulsive."

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"Fair enough. I meant the general-you, though, elves in general rather than you in particular."

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He nods. "Elves in general are very different than Men. Some try to spend more time together, learn to bridge the gaps, but it's challenging with Men who die so young."

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"Yeah. Illia and I are working on fixing that."

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"If all goes well, you won't experience aging and you will not die? Will you maintain your current apparent maturity?"

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"Oh. Yeah. Mages do that. Atennesi Cohen is like three hundred years old and he doesn't look much older than me. The only reason there isn't anyone around more than a thousand years old is that five hundred years ago something happened and a lot of mages died."

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"That's good."

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"If I didn't expect to have arbitrary time to get powerful in I would probably be less cooperative with you distracting me from it for my own good."

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"If you didn't expect to have arbitrary time to get powerful in we would fix that."

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"I appreciate that."

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"It's not entirely selfless. This front would look a lot uglier if we'd had to take that dragon ourselves."

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"Well, no, I'm rather assuming that if it were easy enough that you could do it out of the kindness of your hearts humans in general wouldn't keep dying of old age. I'm quite aware of my status as an impressive military asset."

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"And admirably disinclined, so far, to use it either to take stupid chances or make demands of us. We appreciate it."

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"I really don't want to die, and you guys have been fighting this war a lot longer than I have. I can't even think of any particular demands I would want to make. You're already taking care of my material needs, and my emotional ones as best you can."

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"It's ....fairly typical ...for people who suddenly find themselves in a position to make demands to do so regardless of whether they actually want anything they couldn't get through normal avenues. You are correct and sensible but might be underestimating how commendable those traits are."

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"That sounds...gratuitously confrontational."

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"Maybe because it's more common in your world for people to develop extraordinary power, people have more examples to work from. Or maybe we're being very unfair to Men and the vast majority, upon realizing that a magical kingdom of Elves would do anything for them, would say 'remind me to eat between protecting you and killing your enemies'. If so, they are much our superiors."

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"...No, you're right, people in general can be pretty shitty sometimes. I just try to make a habit of judging myself by my own standards, instead of theirs."

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"And your standards are commendable, and have earned you the respect of everyone you've worked with."

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"Even though you all think I'm a kid."

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"You're not a kid. You're an adult mortal. We are not treating you the way we'd treat a twenty-one-year-old Elf with your abilities. But - 

 

Hmmm.

I have a cousin who went out and found a nomadic tribe of Men who'd never been in contact with Elves before. He walked into their camp at night while they were sleeping and enchanted them with a beautiful, magical song of Valinor and when they awoke they thought they'd met a god. He invited them to become his vassals, gave them new names in his language, built them homes in his land - their descendants are the people you rescued a day ago - and took one man he took a fancy to as a personal attendant of his for decades. He changed that man's name to Beor, which means vassal, and by all accounts they were inseparable and my cousin delighted himself for a few decades.

I don't think I'm necessarily implying Men are children, when I say that - I'd like to not do that."

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"Fingon called my sister a child to her face after she told him our age and you said it would be monstrous to set her up with someone when I told you likewise. I don't doubt that you're treating me as considerably more agentic than an elf my age, but that there was an extent to which that was the case seemed the obvious conclusion."

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"We are regarded as of age at a hundred, we're mostly grown by fifty.  I wouldn't arrange a relationship between a friend of mine who is a thousand and an Elf just turned fifty, any more than I'd set such a friend up with your sister."

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"Fair enough. I'm willing to admit when I'm wrong."

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"Another rare and commendable thing. I'm happy to change my policies if you, knowing what we're nervous about, still find the way we're treating you objectionable."

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"You're not going to enchant me into a delighted vassal, but I don't have any particular complaints about your behavior. The reason I'm so resistant to the mental side-effects of Sympathy magic is that I have some very deeply held impulses that are antithetical to that and to pretty vassaldom. You already have me as your de facto military asset, and if you had any other reasonable requests of my magic I don't see why I'd say no, but that's me choosing to help out. And like hell am I going to change my name, for you or anyone."

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"Sure, all right. There doesn't seem to be a way to tell in advance who's resistant to the mental side-effects of sympathy magic, which I do expect to be related to how easily one can be enchanted into a delighted vassal, so it seems good to just have a principle against trying. But a lot of not-taking-advantage-of-being-an-ageless-magical-being probably looks like treating you as children."

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"Makes sense. I'd probably be more bothered by it in general if I didn't expect it to go away on its own in a few hundred years."

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"That it definitely will."

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"And meanwhile, I have more important things to concern myself with. Namely, magic."

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"Tomorrow. At this minute, bed."

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"Yes, yes. Good night, Celegorm."

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"Night."

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Bed. And remembering that she might never see her parents again, and what right does she have to complain about that when she's not planning to bring Feanor back for his kids anytime soon, and that's probably not a healthy attitude, but it's not exactly something she'd feel comfortable discussing with her impromptu therapist, given the givens, and isn't it a good thing he's not actually her therapist, and holy shit, hormones, shut the hell up and go to sleep, that's massively unhelpful.

She sleeps.

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You going to be out all night? he asks Maitimo.

Is Himring going to fall in my absence?

I haven't done anything stupid.

Enough of his admiration for Odette makes it through with that comment that Maitimo does the long-distance equivalent of a raised eyebrow. 

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Odette is completely oblivious to this, being asleep and in any case not in the habit of violating anyone else's privacy, no matter how much she might like to learn Maedhros's birth name. Stupid linguistic blackmail.

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In the morning he knocks on the door with breakfast. "Shall we go kill things?"

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"I am so in favor of this," she says, accepting breakfast.

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"Armor's going to have to wait a while, unless you want to fly over to the pass of Aglon and take over its defense from my brother, Curufin, who's the one who will be designing it for you."

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"Being magically powerful does not make me competent at commanding anyone. I'll pass. I've gone without this long."

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"Well, yes, I'd be doing the commanding and you'd be killing things, but my orders are to keep an eye on you so if you're staying here Curufin can manage it on his own."

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"That's much more sensible. I'm still not in any particular hurry."

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"Right. We'll head out where we were yesterday, then. Not much has changed. The Enemy's favorite tactic is to just throw orcs at us knowing that eventually even if only one in a hundred gets in a lucky shot he'll have battered us down to the point where we can't fight all day and night anymore."

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"Lovely. Well, I do so enjoy jamming up the gears of his plans."

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And they ride back into the mess. There are more corpses to maneuver around; the battlefield is not otherwise changed.

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"Do your horses last a lot longer than I'm used to horses lasting, or do you just--make sure not to get too attached," it occurs to her to ask.

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"These are descended from ones brought over from Valinor and live for centuries. We can still lose them in war."

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She nods. "I've never tried to resurrect an animal, or heard about anyone trying it--it could be as difficult as resurrecting a human, or it could be trivial if animals don't have souls. If you start running low it might make sense to try, logistically speaking."

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"I would be very interested in that."

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"I'll do that. At some point when we're not on a battlefield, I think, it would be really embarrassing to die because I got hit by an arrow while I was focused on an animal's corpse, even on top of the fact that I would be dead."

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"I was assuming that your magic deflected arrows, that's why we've tolerated you zipping around without armor. Are you saying you could just randomly get killed by an orc with good luck or good aim?"

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"Not if I was paying any attention!"

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"Pay attention."

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"Yes. That's why no experiments."

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Elves are tireless, and she apparently has no problems with the pain that this much magic should cause, and the day is exhausting and violent but not even particularly dangerous. At the end of it Celegorm coaxes both Maedhros and Odette home. "It's been two days," he says to his brother, and "you didn't have a midday meal again", to his magic mortal, and Himring's an hour in the distance but Maglor gives them a parting speed boost home.

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"I need to start bringing something portable so I can eat in the field."

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"Lembas is pretty portable. I'll be sure we have some tomorrow."

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"Yeah." Um, it just occurred to me, should I be worried that the Enemy will notice I'm out on a predictable schedule and take advantage?

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We could head to Aglon tomorrow. If he has other dragon-sized tricks up his sleeves, I'd really expect him to have deployed them in the first rush - he was clearly aiming to get this battle over with quickly. Or do you mean he'll send his worst at night since that's when you've been sleeping?

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The latter.

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Probably not a bad idea to sleep in tonight, take tomorrow morning off, and go in for the afternoon and overnight.

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Yeah, that's probably smarter than not.

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And they head in, eat a late dinner, sit in a plain stone room in Himring and in Celegorm's case listen to the battle thirty miles away. "Do you want to copy our hearing, too?"

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"I hadn't thought of that, but yes." Probably the actual pointed shape of the ear isn't integral to how the hearing works; Maedhros's seems to be fine. Unlike with the eyes she's careful only to shift the insides and not the outsides.

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"Well?"

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"It's--" her hands go up to cover her hears. "It's a lot. Give me a minute."

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He nods. Silently.

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They're handling this so it must be handleable--it can't be more complicated that osanwe, right? Why is she even hesitating. Maybe it's because this is probably more of a brain thing than a mind thing, and that makes it easier to fail...she needs to know as much about the neurological difference between Elves and Men that make them able to hear like this without trouble.

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Elves have about thrice as much mental attention as Men, though more of it is caught up in sensory experiences and they probably have actually significantly less conscious attention. They use this to manage their greater sensory acuity and also to have more senses in general.

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Lovely. Well, she hasn't really noticed any ill effects from her vision...but renovating her mind like that is not a decision to be made lightly. She returns her hearing to normal and shakes her head. "Not now," she says by way of explanation. "I don't have the attention for it. I might change that, later, but I would want to put more thought into it."

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"Sure. As long as one of us is with you we can tell you anything important anyway."

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"Yes. I'm glad I fixed my eyes, though, that's not too overwhelming and it really is worth it."

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"It's very useful particularly for fighting in the dark, which you're soon going to be doing. That was a good call."

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"Yeah, I really don't want to give him any advantages I can avoid."

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"It's going to be fine. He won't keep this up for more than a few years, and then we'll figure out a counterattack."

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"I am legitimately disturbed by the number of orcs he has."

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"He can manipulate time within in Angband. Orcs reach adulthood in three or four years and have ten or so children a year and are, since they're us, immortal till they're killed."

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"And all of that is incredibly disturbing."

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"You still do not know the half of what we did to get here so we could stop him."

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"You're right, I don't."

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"That wasn't particularly me insisting on telling a story, unless that's how you want to pass the time. I can, but there's a lot of politics, and -" he shrugs. "You seem like someone who'd rather politics quietly be handled such that they don't interrupt becoming a god. So I haven't been sharing them."

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"I think," she says slowly, "that if I become a god it would be difficult to keep politics out of it altogether. Possibly I could just delegate that part to my sister, but right now she's getting all of her information from your cousins."

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"I mean, Maedhros is also doing magic every waking moment and needs less sleep than you and will probably be a god not all that long after you, if he does not end up killing himself, and he's less likely to do that now that we'll probably just resurrect him."

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"Much as I approve of Maedhros being alive I'm not going to bring him back against his will, if it comes down to it."

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"Yeah, nor would we. I asked him. He did not seem entirely pleased that it existed as an option but said that if it did he would take it. Also, it's possible he'd still be in pain in the Everlasting Darkness, so if we don't fulfill the Oath bringing him back's more important."

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"Good point," she winces. Then, "Wait, what?"

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"Has someone explained to you that one difference between Elves and Men is that we can give our word bindingly and unbreakably, in a way that actually metaphysically binds us to it? We can. 

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"No one has explained this to me. What did he swear?"

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"All of us swore. Amras who you're trying to bring back to life and my father, too. To retrieve the Silmarils from the Enemy and whatever else withholds them."

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"Why? And is the Everlasting Darkness in a different place from the rest of your dead, because if it is then someone really should have brought this up when I asked where they were when I started trying to bring back Amras."

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"We're pretty sure they're in Mandos. All of us go to the Everlasting Darkness if we fail but we haven't failed yet."

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"I don't mean why do you go to the Everlasting Darkness if you fail in your oath, I mean why did you swear an oath that had that as a failure mode."

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"My father really really doesn't like Mandos," he says, "and I do not think regarded this as the worse alternative. But I think for Maedhros specifically it might be, depending."

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"Please tell me every political fact you can think of so I can figure out how to get your dad back without it causing major internal problems for your society that the Enemy can take advantage of."

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"My grandfather was the King. My father was his heir. My grandfather remarried in a deal with the Valar by which my grandmother'd be imprisoned in Mandos forever, and my father was unamused both with the deal and with the remarriage. The Enemy convinced my father's half-brother that my father was plotting against him and needed to be stopped, and convinced my father of the same. Then he murdered the King, and the half-siblings announced they didn't think my father ought to be the new one. It was threatening to have us too divided to fight the Enemy, so my father tried to just take the people loyal to him and leave the continent. They followed us and the situation was as unstable as before.

My father was killed. Maedhros decided that no amount of pride was worth losing the war over and formally surrendered our family's claim on the crown, swore fealty to my father's half-brother, fixed things. That's everything I can think of that might matter, except for the various things people are still mad at each other over and that's a long list and not really the heart of the issue."

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"Okay," she says. "That sounds hard. Um. What if I brought your grandfather back too?"

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"...that might solve it."

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"You don't like politics and Maedhros fixed things last time, we should see what he thinks."

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He comes down the stairs a second later, fully dressed, making a rock that's hovering in the air unfold itself into a flower and back over and over again. "Your proposal is to avoid the political problems with bringing our father back by also bringing our grandfather back?"

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"That was my first idea."

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"I would need to speak to Fingolfin. The King," he adds when she looks confused. "Isn't it a dreadful name? The Quenya is much prettier but I can't tell you what it is."

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"I am so adding the linguistic blackmail thing to my list of shit that needs taken care of. The subset of the list that involves interpersonal problems and just magicking everything won't solve."

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"Once the war is over people will have less to lose if they're caught associating with someone who speaks Quenya. Anyway, that is very much a question for the King. Well. I anticipate that if you did it, it'd be fine. But he'd want to be consulted and currently has custody of your sister."

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"I might be more reluctant to wait to consult him if I had already managed to pull off a resurrection at all yet." She doesn't comment on the custody thing. If this king wants to think he has control over Illia Zavier it would be undiplomatic to correct him for as long as she wants to do what he wants her to do.

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"You wanted to pay your sister a visit anyway, yes? Perhaps when doing so you can convey the suggestion to the King."

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"Good idea. Maybe I should run it by his son first, he's the one Illia's mostly been talking to."

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"I expect he'll just introduce you to his father, on this particular topic, but yes, absolutely."

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She pokes her sister by osanwe. Still asleep. "I'll leave once she's awake and I don't have any immediate plans," she decides. "I'll finish out the time we had planned to avoid giving him the impression I'm always asleep at night."

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"Safe travels, if I don't run into you before then."

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"Thanks. I like what you're doing with that rock, by the way."

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"I appreciate your assistance in teaching this."

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"You're more than welcome for that."

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"Both of you two are supposed to be sleeping."

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"Okay, okay, okay. I'm going to be sleeping in tomorrow morning, you know, it's not the end of the world if I stay up a little late!"

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"Well, he isn't."

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"You're going to have to argue with him about that one."

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"We're coming up on nine centuries and I have literally never won an argument with him. I don't think anyone has." In an undertone that Maedhros is still obviously capable of hearing, "he cheats, you know, with the whole 'I have endured things I don't want you to try to imagine' thing, and then you end up just doing as he pleases."

Maedhros smiles. Rock into flower and back.

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That startles a laugh out of her. "Well I'm not going to expect to be any help on that front, then."

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"You could set a good example for him."

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"Oh, very well. But I--" she stops. "I...haven't read a book in...how many days have I been here now? Weird. I was going to say I expected to sit up a bit reading before actually going to sleep but I haven't fully mastered the spoken language here, yet, or even started on learning the alphabet."

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"If there weren't a war on I'd say 'teach us your alphabet, someone can translate one of our books for you' but we're momentarily stretched pretty thin. I can tell you a story?"

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"It's not the same thing," she says after a moment of looking conflicted, "but sure."

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And he starts singing. 

The story is that there is a hidden kingdom in the mountains, enchanted so that none who haven't been there can ever find it, and none who have can ever leave. The kingdom's princess is restless and unhappy, and she demands leave to go free, and the King grants this with strict instructions and an escort. She loses the escort on the first day and fights her way through the forest of giant spiders and comes to another kingdom, where an old friend lived. He is absent but his people know and welcome her, and she rides the countryside, going farther and farther, seeing more of the world.

And then she wanders into a magical enchanted forest, and the man who designed the forest decides that he does not want her to leave. So he turns all the paths until none lead out, and she wanders until she is frightened and hungry, and then he welcomes her and invites her to join him and they are married that evening.

And for fifty years her friends search for her fruitlessly, and eventually they learn she is in the enchanted forest but not how she came to be lost there, or that she cannot leave, and it would start a war if they invaded so they don't, and she bears a child and the child grows up and when he is grown he asks his mother if together they might be able to break the enchantments and leave.

And they do. 

And she flees to the home of her friend, and this time he is present, and she says only that she requires fast horses, so he gives her fast horses and bids her farewell. When her husband comes dashing across the land after her, her friend strongly advises him to go home but does not draw his sword. And traveling faster with magic, he catches up to her as she reaches her secret city, and tells the guards of the secret city that he is her husband, and he is brought with due honors before the King, who welcomes him as a brother but explains that he may never leave.

And in anger her husband draws a weapon and throws it, saying that if only by his death he will depart this place then he and his son will die here, but the princess protects her child and is injured in the shoulder and dies in the night, as the weapon was poisoned.

He stops there. "This is the friend I want you to bring back," he says, "and it's my fault because I didn't kill him when I had the chance."

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She is quiet for a long moment.

"I guessed that it was a true story when the giant spiders came into it. I'm...not sure that was the best story to tell if you don't want me working myself into a frenzy trying to get strong enough to raise the dead. Is her son okay?"

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"Yeah, I meant to share a happy one but don't have any. He is by all accounts doing as well as one can when they watch their father executed for killing their mother while trying to kill them. The King named him his heir."

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"Doesn't the King have sons? I'm pretty sure he has sons, one of them found my sister. Also that is kind of depressing and at some point I'm going to have to tell you some stories just so you know ones that don't end with people dying."

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"Wouldn't all Men's stories end with everyone dying definitionally? And the High King isn't the only one who claims the title of King, or he wouldn't bother having to be High King. There's a King of Gondolin and a King of Nargothrond, they just answer to the high king. In some sense there'd be nothing wrong with Maedhros calling himself King of Himring for the same reason. In practice that'd probably start a war."

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"Oh, a different king. No, the stories end before the people die," she explains. "And we don't actually have anything other than Men but sometimes we make them up anyways and have stories about them."

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"I can tell you stories and end them before anyone dies. Once upon a time a great many people lived happily in Valinor and Morgoth was in jail."

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"And we all know how that one ended. I think the difference with made-up stories is that if you end them before anyone dies nobody really does die, because none of it actually happened."

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"Yeah."

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She sighs and gets up to head back to her room. "I appreciate the story regardless. Good night."

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"Night."

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When Odette wakes up the next morning she isn't really sure just how late she was supposed to be sleeping in. She rolls over and manages to get back to sleep a few times, but ultimately she can't get any more sleep right now.

When someone comes to fetch her, later, they will find her sitting upright in bed, staring intently at a pair of perfectly still human figures.

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"Hey. You okay? All's well out front, there are people for you to heal downstairs but they're not dying. What are those?"

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"I'm fine. they're illusions of my parents," she says, dismissing them and hopping out of bed. "Or a best guess at what they'd look like, with these eyes; obviously I've never seen them like this. I feel much less guilty about missing them with a decent plan for bringing your dad back."

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"I hope that it works. How - long do you have to get back to your home realm while your parents will still be alive?"

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"Well--they were mages, when they were younger, and there's lots of mages around--it could be indefinitely. It could be that our friends from the mage university decide to honor our memory by taking care of our parents like that. It could be that I come back in four hundred years or a thousand and they're still there." Her voice chokes a little. "Or they could react very, very badly to our presumed murder, and I could make it back in a month and find that it had been too late for at least one of them."

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"Hug?"

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She hugs him.

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"Do you want to talk about what happened/? I have lots of questions but do not really need my curiosity satisfied."

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"I don't mind talking about it, but I'm not sure where to start."

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"I'm curious specifically what kind of assassination attempt leaves it obvious that an assassination was attempted. Was he not planning to survive the aftermath? Heroic sacrifice for what he thought was a noble aim? Or is he powerful enough to get away with it?"

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"I think he thought he could get away with it. I don't think he could get away with it. If--if he had tried to murder, some other student--there are enough mages in Genosha that maybe no one would have gotten around to checking him. It's not usually hard to catch a murderer with magic, if you already suspect the right person. But--he wasn't overt about it, most people didn't know, but Atennesi Cohen, the Great Mage who runs the city--he's, sort of taken an interest in me, ever since it became apparent I was going to be his peer someday. He could past-scry the entire city to find out where we went. And if we just disappeared when he was blatantly trying to kill us--that's a thing you can do, is make things just disappear. And even if he confirmed that I had teleported us away--if we never came back--that I accidentally teleported us straight into another lethal situation somewhere else on the planet, maybe even in the planet--it's a much more likely idea than that I somehow managed to teleport us into a different universe."

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He holds her closer. "I see. I'm sorry. And why was he trying to murder you?"

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"Because I'm going to be a Great Mage and he thinks no one should have that kind of power. Even if I didn't have more than enough reason to teach your brother magic, fuck that guy would be sufficient unto itself."

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"And 'no one who believes the world is a hallucination and no one in it is real should have that much power' is far more defensible a stance than 'no one should' in general. Perhaps he'll learn his lesson. How is murder punished in your world?"

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"It depends on the country and who's doing it and why, mostly, but--if a mage kills someone with magic and doesn't have a much better reason for it than he had--they die. Mages are extremely and harshly self-policing back home."

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"You, ah, won't get in trouble for orcs and dragons and so forth?"

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"Worst come to worst I'm sure I can justify it on the grounds that Morgoth was using magic and therefor a mage and I was trying to police him. But honestly I'm not too worried, finding a new universe is so far as I know literally unprecedented and I can probably get away with just about anything I'm likely to actually do."

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"Oh, good. I take it your hesitation about taking yourself and your sister home is that you're not confident you could find your way back here?"

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"That, and I already tried when I first got here and didn't realize how much good I could do. It didn't work."

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"When you're more powerful?"

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"I'll try again after a while. I wouldn't want to risk it at all, except for Maedhros."

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"...sorry?"

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"Except that I anticipate that if I go home and can't get back, Maedhros will be able to do the things I was going to do," she clarifies.

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"If the limitations are pain tolerance and determination, seems likely."

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"Yeah. Anyway. I think that if I can get home I can probably get back here. Especially since I have your eyes, if having an anchor of some kind affected it."

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"It would be convenient if we could evacuate our civilians to a planet where the Enemy can't touch them, if we end up losing this thing."

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"There is that, for sure. I have...no idea how my world would react to that, but honestly it seems fairly trivial all things considered."

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"We can compensate you. Our kind of magic can't do as much as yours, but there are things it can't do that I don't think yours can, and we'll learn your technology quickly. Well, I won't. Curufin will."

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"I mean, I wouldn't be the person who would need compensating, I don't own any land or anything to settle people on. Maybe we can raise some more flying cities," she muses.

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"If it becomes necessary I'm sure we'll find a way. Speaking of which, is that dome you set over the spiders still standing after all the exploding and shaking that the earth did?"

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"Good question!"

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"Check that out for us on your way to visit your sister?"

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"Yes. I'm slightly reluctant to not just go out now and check, but it's...probably best to follow the plan. The spiders...weren't an overwhelming problem, even before I got here."

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"Yeah, don't worry about it. They're a barrier to crossing the area, not a serious threat to my kingdom or Estolad or certainly Doriath."

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"I dislike having to deal with problems I thought I had already solved again, but that doesn't make it a priority worth disrupting anything else," she agrees.

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"Yeah, I figured. We do a lot of that. Think of it as making you stronger."

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"Maybe I should talk to Curufin or someone about a better glass barrier at some point," she muses. "Also not a priority, but something worth remembering for later."

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"He'd really enjoy working with you - it'd let him prototype materials and alloys and so forth very quickly, and he has a lot in common with our father."

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"I think I'd like that."

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"We'll head over to Himlad and take over the defense of the pass from him after you've visited your sister. I don't think he'll want company while Father's life is still up for debate."

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"If this idea doesn't work I'll figure something else out. But, yeah, I don't blame him."

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"He could tolerate it for the sake of the war effort, but he would experience being polite to you as ...something that was being coerced from him with a sword held to the throats of our people, and it'd be unhealthy all around."

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"...Should I wait to meet him until I can actually raise the dead?"

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"No, but until you've decided that you will. Probably. It might be worth it anyway, it's just going to be tense."

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"Oh, at this point the question isn't am I, the question is when."

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"In that case I think he'll like you fine."

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"I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I thought I was deliberately keeping a much-missed parent away from their kids forever even if I didn't know or care about any of the kids in question. Assuming none of the people involved were terrible enough to shut my empathy down, I guess. The question was always when."

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"And the advantage to sooner is that he's a very fast worker and thinker and innovator, and Curufin'd be more than twice as productive if half of him wasn't grieving."

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"Yeah. I really, really hope my idea works. And, you know, that I manage to raise even one person from the dead sooner rather than later. Makes the rest of this rather philosophical, I'm afraid."

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"Absolutely understood. It's hard to stop ourselves from hoping."

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"Yeah. I'm going to check if my sister's awake, I think."

Illia?

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Hey! I was just talking about you. How'd your side of the battle go?

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I killed an enormous dragon-thing! And a lot of Balrogs. And I helped with the visibility over that one place, but then this really nasty magic guy Thauron showed up and Maedhros asked me to leave so I didn't get myself killed.

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She still hasn't learned how to stop people from listening in, but he doesn't do it.

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So how have you been doing off the battlefield?

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Sleeping, mostly. I've been spending a lot of time on a battlefield. Oh! I'm learning to ride horses! Mostly in battlefield related situations, admittedly. Tyelcormo--sorry, Celegorm, don't say that first name out loud, linguistic blackmail, he's really great. She sends a very blurry summary of her interactions with him. Maedhros continues to be appropriately depressing for the shit he went through, but he's good at what he does. Which includes magic. Oh, he had this really awesome armor that's going to have to be refitted now that he has two hands again. She sends the mental image of the armor.

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Huan's wagging his tail. That's a good sign.

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Dammit, Odette, I have enough things to do without the need to begin, let alone master armorsmithing!

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She bursts out laughing. It is pretty great, isn't it? I might be fixing it once there's a design.

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Lucky you. Let me know how that goes, hmm? So Fingon says Maedhros implies you have a plan for resurrecting Feanor without this having terrible knock-on effects. Spill.

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Bring back Feanor and the current High King's father too.

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Response: Tentatively positive!

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I'm not surprised. So how was your coma?

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Quite restful. I'm rather pleased about having been able to cheat magic's price so thoroughly.

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Good for you.

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Yeah. So, I went out and taught some people magic and healed some people--and. Um. So...a bunch of local human countries have--supposedly, I should probably check--asked to be annexed by the Elves because turnover. They, um--Fingon baaaasically offered to make me Queen of one of them because I'm not gonna die of old age and I'm human so I'd be better suited to the task. I don't know if I should take it or not.

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"Holy crap."

Wow, yeah. Um. That would be awesome? But neither of us have...any kind of experience in that area.

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"...something interesting?"

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It would involve a massive amount of delegating, that's for sure.

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"Your cousins have some human vassal-states and it has been suggested that my sister be made queen of one of them on the grounds that she is human and not going to die of old age. Neither of us are sure how to feel about that," Odette tells Celegorm.

Better you than me, regardless.

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He asked me if you were likely to be interested when I expressed reservations. I explained that you would be much too busy ascending to godhood to deal with the administrative affairs of a kingdom.

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"Huh. All right. Good for her."

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My impromptu therapist had a positive reaction when I told him about the queen thing.

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Ha. I'll take that under advisement. You know I'm relaying a bunch of this to Fingon but I'm really glad I learned the basket thing.

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The basket thing?

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How I separate private and public thoughts, she says, sending a summary of the relevant explanation and her brain-cornucopia.

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No one explained this to me. Bleah. Welp, I'll have to set aside some time later on to fix that.

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It didn't really come up until the gay thing.

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Tyelcormo--Celegorm--it is really hard to censor my thoughts with you, continue not to use that first name please--his reaction to the gay thing was "well it's a good thing we don't have gay marriage because our marriage consists of inconstantly voluntary soul bonds and it would make it harder to have fun without accidentally gluing your soul to someone else's".

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Hm?

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I think I may have just put two and two together about something that is in no way any of either of our business. Except that if it's true and it were a good idea to admit I had figured it out I would owe some apologies.

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I'm curious, tell me anyway.

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Not until you're harder to mind-read.

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Fair enough.

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Have fun murdering orcs. I'll see you tomorrow.

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See you.

"So. Breakfast. Or lunch. What time is it?"

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"Your sister good? And it's around noon, you've been pushing yourself pretty hard. Breakfast is here," and he waves her over to a table.

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"She's fine. I told her about the plan and she told your cousin and she reported his response as 'tentatively positive'."

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"Well, that's something."

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"Yeah, I--shouldn't stress out over whether this plan works or we have to come up with another one until I've managed to bring back your brother. And your friend with the terrible husband, I sort of promised your cousin she would be second."

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"I'm entirely in favor of that."

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"Somehow I'm not surprised. Gosh, what are we going to tell these people when they wake up, I'm really tempted to open with 'hi I'm fantastically powerful and the reason you're alive go hug assorted loved ones you're welcome' but you'd know better than I would if that's a terrible idea."

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"Being awakened, at least by Mandos, is tremendously disorienting and the practice is to have only one person present and a few weeks to readjust."

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"My first instinct is 'the Valar really aren't very good at their jobs' but my second instinct is to remind myself that it's mostly their priorities and not their competence that are questionable. The experience might or might not be terribly different my way. There's...probably going to need to be more than one person around at the very beginning, but we can shoo everyone except a designated person as soon as it's no longer magically necessary."

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"I think everyone will not mind too much being disoriented."

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"I don't imagine so. Hm. Do you think it would be better to err on the side of trying more often, so I can do it as soon after I'm technically capable as possible, or less often, so there's less specific instances of false hope?"

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"Keep in mind that we think of time very differently from you. Once a year strikes me as frequent attempts."

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"Well. If I don't have it down in a year I'll be disappointed in myself."

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"You know, there's a lot to be said for Men. If you can do it in a year then we'll be fine waiting."

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"I got from almost zero to where I am now in seven years. I don't think the difference between where I am now and where I need to be to start raising the dead is as much as a seventh of that, especially since I wasn't really actively pushing myself before I arrived.

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"...that's much faster than I was expecting. I suppose I should have thought it through more, with how young you are."

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"Yeah, I would have started sooner, probably, but if you're younger than fourteen and doing anything not tiny and trivial people generally start giving your parents suspicious looks. Encouraging a kid to do painful things is generally looked down on."

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"I can understand why. I think the Eldar have the same principle, my parents just didn't really take principles of our people very seriously."

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"Come to think of it I don't think I've heard anything about your mom, should she be on my list too?"

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"She's not dead."

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"Should she be in a different part of the list, the general to-do list rather than specifically the 'people to raise from the dead' list."

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"I don't think so. She decided to stay in Valinor. I'm sure that if she changed her mind in the intervening centuries, the Valar declined to permit her to leave, but we can't fight the Valar and even if we could the world would be destroyed in the fight and the Valar confining people in their paradise - who might actually consent to be there, when last we spoke she did not want to leave - isn't worth that."

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"...Huh."

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"I appreciate the offer, though."

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"Morgoth is a Vala, right, maybe once I'm strong enough to destroy him I can figure out some kind of communications system that can sneak past them so you could talk to her or something."

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"Not sure there'd be much to say. But thanks."

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"You're welcome." And she is--not judging, she knows nothing about this woman whatsoever, really, just because she's unable to model the idea of letting your kids run off to risk their lives and staying behind where it's safe doesn't mean it's totally unreasonable, just that she's not perfect at modelling things. Right.

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"Um. Do you want to learn the thing where you can keep your thoughts back from us? I should have suggested it earlier I just don't pay much attention to peoples' thoughts and didn't realize you weren't already doing it."

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"Illia mentioned it and I haven't gotten around to it yet, I'm sorry, I really didn't mean to share that and I stand by what my rational mind was saying rather than what my gut feeling was trying to assert."

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"You don't owe me an apology for thinking things. Ever. And you're unlikely to think or say anything about my family that I haven't thought or said myself, over the centuries. What matters is how people treat each other."

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"You have way more of a right to judge your mom than I do, regardless. Anyway, I should do the thing. Does it usually take long?"

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"You'll start making improvements within a few hours, you won't have it down as a habit for weeks. I can tell you when I notice you've slipped up, that helps with habit formation, except I really don't listen to people very much and might not notice. Maedhros would."

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"Illia meditated on it and then no one mentioned having heard a peep out of her. I don't know if that means meditation works better or if they were just being polite." Hmm, what's a good division, she wants something personal, different languages would work better if she weren't ultimately planning to teach--whichever brother Maedhros had been referring to when she asked if he had a preference, probably Curufin? She should ask about that at some point. Whatever, the basket thing works, she's overthinking this.

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"Shall I leave you to it?"

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"Yeah. Let me know when it's time to head out. Or eat again, or something."

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"We'll eat and then head out around sunset. I'l find you then."

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After about an hour of ordering her thoughts, Odette goes outside, finds a leaf lying on the ground somewhere, and goes back to her room to experiment with it.

People grow plants from cuttings, which means it should be easy to convince this leaf to grow a twig and then a larger stick from its stem. She breaks off part of the stick and experiments with breaking it down and reassembling fibers into a workable paper. Then she coaxes her stick into producing enough wood to make a book's of wood and creates the pages.

Yes, she could probably just ask for a blank journal, but that wouldn't be good magic practice, would it?

She gives the book a hinged wooden cover, and asserts that the edge of each page should attach directly to the spine, since she doesn't actually know how to bind a book. Once she has something good enough to keep, she writes (by magic. Of course by magic. She'll use green ink derived from the leaf's chloroplasts, why not).

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He's impressed when he comes to find you. "I've seen a Vala do that. Not anyone else. Dinner?"

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"You've never seen anyone but a Vala raise the dead before, so I had better not find the category too intimidating!" she says, getting up and tucking her book under her arm.

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Dinner is bread and stew. "Again. Maedhros has the world's most boring tastes. If you'd find you'd be more productive if we had nice things -"

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"I'm mostly just really confused by how similar this is to food back home. And I have no idea what else you have, to be honest."

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"Uh, lembas, but we use that in the field so people prefer not to have it when it's not needed. I expect "bake wheat" and "put meat and vegetables in a pot" are human universals. We grew up in Valinor, we have elaborate delicacies of whatever type you desire, the Dwarves will trade you for cinnamon and coffee and so forth if you're in the mood..."

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"Coffee. I will definitely want to remember that for future reference. I'm not really picky, though, I might want to look into getting more variety later on when I get sick of this but for now it's fine."

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"Certainly. I think the King keeps a Valinorian table, so you can enjoy yourself while you're there."

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"Sensible allocation of emotional health resources. Art sister gets the fancy food, and rage sister gets the excellent impromptu therapist."

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"It's not a strength anyone else has thought I have. You might just need to have more exposure to people who agree you ought to become God and have a sense of how those attempts tend to go badly."

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"It's possible. I still appreciate it."

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"Ready to head out?"

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She downs the last dregs of her stew. "Yep."

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"Fight through the night and go to Hithlum in the morning, or rest and go there tomorrow night?"

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"Illia's expecting me tomorrow. I'll go in the morning."

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"Alright." And they ride out.

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"I think I like riding horses. The learning curve would probably be less fun if I didn't have magic to keep me from falling off when I make mistakes, but--there's just something nice about having another living creature beneath you like this."

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"Riding into war with someone is definitely better than going alone, and horses are definitely better company than humans."

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"I haven't met enough horses to know, but I'll take your word for it."

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"You might have to be able to talk to them to fully appreciate them."

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"I'd believe that."

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And they kill things all night. By Elven eyesight, it's no harder in the dark.

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Since the enemy has magic, she periodically checks to make sure that nothing magically room-temperature is sneaking up on her, but it's not, so that's good.

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War is mostly boredom, occasional terror. This is boredom.

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Better than the alternative, as long as you don't let it convince you to let your guard down.

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And the sun rises and they rotate out troops.

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And Odette flies out to see her sister. But first spiders.

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The dome is cracked in several places, and has fallen in in the middle.

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Shit. Did it kill anyone?

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There are a few squished spiders.

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Fuck.

Well...people aren't going in and murdering them, at least, and there aren't usually earthquakes. She repairs the dome and promises herself she'll talk to someone about improving it.

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And from there it's an uneventful flight west.

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Odette remembers to quiet her flight, since sonic booms out of nowhere are probably alarming if you don't know the relevant mechanics, which the Elves may or may not. As she descends, she calls out to her sister, Illia? I'm here.

(Odette joins Illia's thread from here to here)

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"Hey. Feast like a king? Sister okay?"

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"She's fine. I think she's going to accept the Queenship out of sheer desire not to be redundant, if they were serious and the offer isn't retracted for some reason, she's not really doing anything I couldn't right now. I'd love to be loyal and disparage their food but no, it was amazing."

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"We're technically their vassals, I'm pretty sure appreciating the food at the king's table is acceptable even here."

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"Well, you still needn't fear that I'm going to abandon you in their favor. Might make excuses to visit more often than I otherwise would've, though. Fingon says I'm to request better food for Maedhros's own good."

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"Fingon has stupid opinions about Maedhros' own good, but I'll see to it that we get better food."

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"I...think he was maybe joking? Not sure. Anyway we ended up discussing various things before I left and he struck me as...reasonable? He's pretty cool. He seemed kind of worried about bringing your dad back but not in a way that seemed likely to end in self-fulfilling prophecy, if that makes sense."

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"I am very glad to hear it."

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"So I'm going to drop some large rocks on Angband to see if it does anything and then deliver my sister's notes on the printing press to your brother. Uh, not Maedhros, the engineer one, Curufin. ...I should eat first."

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"I saved you lunch."

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"Thanks."

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So they eat, and he makes leaves race themselves around the edges of the table.

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Magic is so awesome.

"I'm going to drop large heavy rocks on Angband, wanna watch?"

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"Yes."

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So she traipses over to the window she was wearing down the mountains through, picks the largest discrete rock she can find and lift, and drops it on the fortress.

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It turns into sand while falling.

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Okay, what if she tries a larger number of slightly smaller rocks?

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Those go crashing down, though they don't do much visible damage.

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Similar numbers of similarly-sized boulders from a higher altitude?

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Sand again.

"Not that this isn't entertaining," Celegorm says, "but last time he blew up the mountains, remember?"

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"If he can do that again so soon I'm not sure we're not all fucked anyway, considering what that implies. I mean, I don't know as much as I possibly could about volcanoes, but I'm pretty sure you have to build up the pressure before getting them to blow like that."

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"Probably. And if he could blot out the Sun for good he'd have done it long ago."

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She shudders.

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"It's what he did to the lights we had before the Sun."

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"Right, and that's why I need to check up on the spiders every now and then to make sure they're not getting too big. It's still...not a pleasant mental image."

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"We worried about that first couple centuries, at this point we think it's a safe bet they can't grow as big as she was, not under these conditions."

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"That's good. Unless we know what's different about the conditions, though, better safe than sorry. For all I know the difference is that Morgoth did something to her and he'll try that again if it looks like I'm not paying attention to the spiders and thwarting the other things he's trying."

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"It's definitely worth adding to a rotation of things to keep an eye on. I think Maedhros already has one if you want to just compare yours and possibly adopt his - no offense, but I bet it's more comprehensive -"

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"Of course it is, he's been here longer. It might be more efficient to have a different one, since I have greater mobility and the difference between two people checking up on a thing is a lot less than the difference between one and zero, but I should definitely talk to him about that."

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"Couple hundred thousand people reporting to you is its own kind of mobility. But yeah."

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"True. But if none of those thousands of people can fly and most of them prefer not to get eaten by spiders there are still things I'm better specialized for. ...Not that I want to get eaten by spiders, but I have certain advantages in avoiding it."

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"By all means take over spider duty."

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"Do you think Curufin would be interested in designing an earthquake-proof glass dome? Mine broke when Morgoth blew the volcanoes and even if none of the spiders got out some of them got squashed. Not the highest priority ever, but..."

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"You could ask him. He's been holding down the pass of Aglon alone for a week and might actually not have time, but it'd be an interesting project if it can be done."

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"Rrrright, you were there. Doing things other than make sure I get enough food and sleep and so on."

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"We've made our personnel decisions well for our current resources and needs, I think. But yeah. Usually I have the command and do the 'making people eat and sleep' thing on the side."

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"If it's more efficient to have me in the same place as you a lot of the time I could just mostly hang out at your place instead of here."

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"I have a hard time anticipating whether the Enemy's next real attack will hit the Pass or hit here, honestly. It might be easier to head back over there."

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"...I need to get over myself and make sure that I can, in fact, teleport without accidentally getting catapulted into a random universe. I mean, I probably shouldn't do it too much, it's Conquest and my resistance is only Sympathy...maybe I can come up with a Sympathy version, instantaneous effects are mostly Conquest but then it's not like I'm trying to do less or easier magic..."

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"At your current travel speed they're less than half an hour apart," he offers, "you could fight here or there to be less predictable and get on the site of anything you're needed for before we'll have lost."

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"Yeah. I should still see if I can figure out Sympathy teleporting, though, I do not want to bet peoples' lives that I won't need it later on. Anyway if it's that close at my speeds then it almost certainly makes more sense to stay there rather than here."

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"Great. Grab any things here you've grown attached to, and I'll tell Maedhros we're leaving even though he can already hear us, already knows, and won't say anything in response."

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She heads to her room, packs the dress she arrived in in her bag, and heads back.

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"I was wrong, he says thank you for the letter from my cousins and stay safe."

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"I'll give him the same promise I gave Fingon this morning, which is to do my best to ensure that my immediate vicinity is far more dangerous for the servants of the Enemy than it is for me."

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Maedhros laughs, from far enough away that she won't be able to appreciate it. "Great," he says "Let's go."

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Whee flying. For half an hour.

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The Pass of Aglon looks almost the same as it did when she stopped there to go fight spiders. 

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Correspondingly, she can land them in the same place Celegorm was standing when she first met him. Well. Land. She's still hovering. Same difference.

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"And now acquiring decent food for you is my responsibility instead of Nelyo's. Bother. Lemme find you a guest room while I tell people to go get us some vegetables or something."

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She laughs. "I can encourage plant growth--well. You saw," she gestures to her bag. "If there's some seeds or something I can make vegetables happen. Actually I should probably do something about that in general, increasing food stores was brought up earlier but I never got around to it."

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"Yeah, especially now that we have a couple thousand refugees dumped on Thargelion. As long as the Pass holds we've got farmland south of here that can supply us and the local population. Estolad is constantly having fits of famine and we send them supplies but I'm not sure we shouldn't be doing something more sustainable - they have so many children they can't feed them all, and then if we feed them the next year there's even more - I don't know what we should be doing, surely not letting them starve, but it's a bit of a disaster."

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"Magic can do birth control."

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"That'd be very useful. I - I know it's a cultural difference, but among the Eldar to have a child you can't feed is monstrous, it makes it hard to spend much time around Men or remember that they have good qualities."

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"There have been times in human history when the options were to have children you weren't sure you could feed or risk dying out. We can't always just wait a few decades until things are better. And that's us, who had mages."

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"You couldn't find a single Elf who wouldn't say 'that's sad, but then you die out'."

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"I'm not saying you're wrong. I wouldn't have kids I thought might starve. But instinct is a powerful thing, and refraining from having children for ethical reasons isn't a winning adaptive trait."

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"I know. If you have a solution, that's very good."

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"Yes. I can teach them magic and de-aging and birth control and ask them pretty please to wait to have children because they have time now and the odds aren't great that everyone will listen to me but I can do something. And I can make sure that the children who do exist don't starve."

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"Thanks."

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She nods and wraps her arms around her abdomen. "My sister and I may have been an accident, but Mother and Father would have torn down the world to keep us safe and warm and fed, if that was what it had taken."

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"I don't think we'll ever stop seeing - the careless creation of other lives - as a really awful and frightening thing. But I'm very glad you're here, and your parents sound wonderful."

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"They really are."

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"So. Guest room. It's not very nice because I have guests as infrequently as Maedhros. I'll get it fixed up when I have more free time. Armor for you is already on the agenda, I'll get some clothes resized in the meantime. Anything else?"

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She thinks for a moment and shakes her head. "I'll probably want clothes more like what I'm used to at home, at some point, but I can...probably...do that myself. I think? Anyway it's not urgent or anything."

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"If you send me what it looks like, your time is more valuable and we are quite good at sewing."

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She sends him images of a handful of different styles--off-the-shoulder dresses like the one she was wearing when she arrived, long shirts and leggings, shorter shirts and thicker trousers.

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He raises an eyebrow. "K. I'll see to that, then."

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"Thanks. So, I have printing press plans I was supposed to deliver to your brother, and I think Maedhros said he was going to want to learn all the languages I know. Is he busy with something? I feel like I should be assuming yes."

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"He'll probably have a bit of a backlog from having to take over the command here. Maybe in a week?"

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"Alright. I'll head out to murder orcs, then, I'll try to be back by a reasonable dinnertime."

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"You'd better. Take care, Odette."

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"I will!"

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There is a lot of work to be done, which he makes into less work by periodically feeding Curufin relevant information about the situation.

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And Odette murders orcs and is back at a lateish but still reasonable time for dinner.

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"We have venison, and wild rice, and tapioca pudding with cinnamon. I'd grumble about the things I do for you but as I recall you killed a dragon recently."

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"I did not, in fact, request those particular things, if there are things other than stew and bread that would have been easier to get ahold of," she says with mock primness. "But I did in fact kill a dragon and that looks delicious."

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It is delicious. "I will have to somehow compensate my cook. She was rather shocked to have the family of obsessives and ascetics suddenly have preferences about their dinners."

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"Poor soul. Which one are you?"

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"Neither, but I grew up at Oromë's side and we ate things you could cook over a fire, not much else."

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"Oromë being who?"

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"Vala of the hunt."

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"Ah." She looks at her delicious venison.

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"I wish, but I have a country to run and have in fact already taken a week's unscheduled vacation. Someone else shot it for us."

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"Huh? No, that was a coincidence, I was just...being reminded me of the Valar made me think about the Mandos problem again."

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"Yeah, that's a tough one."

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"Probably I can get a batch of people out before he realizes there's any need to try to stop me. But. After that."

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"The Valar are vengeful on two levels. If provoked enough for war they'll smash continents and kill everyone who lives on them, and if someone is utterly in their power they'll toy with them as they please. Anything that's powerful enough they can't toy with it and not worth smashing continents over gets let be. I don't know if you're worth smashing continents over."

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"I really hope I'm not. I hope stealing a lot of souls doesn't make me worth smashing continents over."

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"Yeah I didn't think you wanted a fight with the Valar. Probably not. I mean, Morgoth isn't worth smashing continents over."

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"My concern is that Morgoth is making trouble over here and not where it would actually get the Valar's own noses dusty. I'm confident enough to try it, anyway."

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"That's my concern also. I think it is worth attempting."

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"Yes. Not until I'm as sure as I can be that I'm going to pull it off, though, because if I only get one shot at this I can't afford to miss."

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"I think that's the right approach."

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"I've been trying to think of what milestones I could possibly use to tell, but I haven't been having a lot of luck."

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"I don't know enough about your magic. Being able to gather information about Valinor? Being able to gather information about something as far away as Valinor, like the Sun and Moon?"

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"I'm slightly leery of poking around Valinor before I'm ready to tip my hand, but the Sun and the Moon should work if they really are as far away."

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"I mean, I don't have any sisters, but it should be."

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"...What?"

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"Oh, women can do mathematics, figure out the answer to something like that instead of just approximating in your head."

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"Not where you're from?"

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"First of all, where I'm from there's no idea that there's a gender gap in the ability to do mathematics. Second of all, even if I assume that this is actually a thing here and not just a stereotype, I assume you're allowed to talk to female elves besides your counterfactual sisters."

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"Lines of questioning that obviously lead to 'can Odette do remote magic in Valinor' are ones I want to keep in a very very small circle."

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"Fair point. I am, honestly, a little baffled by the idea that men aren't supposed to be able to do math."

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"It's not 'not supposed to be able to', it's just don't. Aren't there things like that in your world? There's not a rule but in practice there's a very very strong gender gap and all the capable people are one gender?"

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"Why is the first thing that comes to mind 'bearing children.' Um, historically there have been a lot of ideas that things like that existed, but none that held up very well when challenged."

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"When the war's over perhaps I'll ask Curufin to prove a point by becoming a standout mathematician. Though I think that'd just prove a point about the house of Fëanor, not about gender."

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"How is he such a great engineer if he doesn't do math?"

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"You're allowed to do it for engineering, that's different. It's like how you can't be a soldier and a healer but battlefield medical magic is fine."

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"If it's a matter of allowed then that seems like a really strong argument in favor of this being a stereotype."

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"Yeah, maybe. I have a cousin who used to be amazing at math, when she comes back we can ask her."

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"Same one?"

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"No, actually. This is Fingon's brother's wife. She died on the ice, when their daughter was still a kid. Daughter's now nearing her half-millenium."

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"Oh."

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"I figured they'd have told you about that, when they were making the case for keeping my father dead."

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"I knew a lot of people died on the ice. There's a difference between, 'hey, person who is working on resurrection, a bunch of people are dead,' and 'hey, person whose primary source of adolescent angst was that your grandparents missed seeing your mom grow up, this mom missed her kid growing up'."

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"There are things resurrection itself can't fix. Gonna invent time-travel?"

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"And do what, exactly? Erase the person her daughter grew up to be so her mother can be a part of her childhood?"

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"I think if you asked every Elf on this continent for consent to go back and start over and know the things we needed sooner, you'd get a unanimous yes. Every year the war goes on, there's so much suffering."

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"Well. Maybe. If anyone consents to it--I wouldn't do real time travel, that would be all sorts of problematic--but I could regress people. If they wanted. I'd put a wait on it, though. Make sure it's not the kind of thing someone can do without being sure."

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"That I don't think anyone would want. It's not about living your life over, it's about ending this war sooner."

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"Oh. I misunderstood. Time travel would--it would be really problematic. I would basically be killing every single person who's been born since then."

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"Yeah. And every orc that's been basically sentenced to eternal torment."

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"Do we know that they still suffer after they die?"

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"The Halls of Mandos aren't fun for Elves. If you don't want a Vala poking around inside your head until he thinks you've been adjusted into someone who deserves to be alive, they're pretty awful."

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"I don't know if I could bring someone back ever if they'd been time-traveled out of existence. Even if I can bring back humans someday."

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"Didn't say you should do it. I'm not at all sure you should. I just - there's a reason we'd all let the last few centuries be erased, and it's not that they were bad, it's that this war should have been ended the second it was possible."

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"Yeah. I don't think I'll be trying that. Now, if I happened to find another universe just the same as this one but a few centuries earlier..."

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"Kill him right away. Actually, if you can save my father in time, do that, he'd have been smart enough to figure out how to win by now."

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"Right. Save your dad, then tear Morgoth atom from atom."

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"And then you can pop by and think very highly of me, and I'll be four hundred fifty years younger and stupider and both flattered and confused."

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"I'll tell him it was the dog that did it," she jokes.

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"Do Men like Maiar? My sample size is too small."

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"Men like dogs."

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"Good for them. He likes you too."

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"I'm glad to hear it."

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"I have work, do you have everything you need, here? Got enough hugs when you visited your sister?"

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"I do not currently require hugs. Go accomplish things, I'm going to head back out for a few more hours of dealing with orcs and then go to bed."

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"How many is a few more hours?"

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"One and a half to two and a half?"

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"Alright. If you're not back by then I won't wake you in the morning."

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"Noted."

She lets him know she's back in just under two hours.

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Thank you, Odette. Rest well, he answers without coming out to see her.

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Good night, she responds, and goes to bed.

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In the morning he knocks on her door, leaves breakfast, announces that the Enemy is digging himself in to the pass a little ways ahead and they could ride out and deal with it but if she happens to think of a safer solution -

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"Digging himself in? As in making fortifications? Ones less resistant to boulder-dropping than Angband itself?"

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"Yes, yes, and one assumes."

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"Well, it seems like the obvious first step is for me to try dropping boulders."

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"Be my guest."

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So she scarfs down her breakfast and heads out and tries dropping boulders.

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This works.

"You aren't leaving much for the rest of us," Celegorm comments when she gets back, but cheerfully.

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"Keep practicing magic, and one day you too may be a one-man army."

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"Perhaps Mandos will come over to crush the continent and we'll be strong enough to say 'oops, sorry, took you too long'."

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"...I would...avoid saying that," Odette says slowly, "since if anyone who hears it dies it might not take Mandos too long."

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My father gave a speech calling for rebellion against the Valar in the main square of our major city. They sent an emissary to scold us for being silly children.

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They had less reason to think he could do it.

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They don't - yet - have reason to think you could do it, either.

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Yeah. But I'm not sure they wouldn't before I could actually do it.

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Okay. I suppose there's little to lose by excess caution. You can talk to us. None of us are planning to go to Mandos if we die.

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Okay, I'm going to overthrow the Valar once I'm confident I can pull it off. By 'we' do you mean you and your brothers, you and your brothers and cousins, everyone in this fortress, or some other combination of people?

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Me and my brothers. My cousins vary in how seriously they take the Valar but would not agree to overthrow them. Our people would probably mostly agree with you but I cannot ask them all to forsake Mandos, it's very dangerous. If someone under my command does learn what you're planning, then I can and will ask them to forsake Mandos should they die, but try not to let it come to that.

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I wasn't planning to tell a lot of people anyway. My sister knows, but not because I told her, she just knows me. Anyway, I'm pretty sure I'm going to have to overthrow the Valar, because I doubt they'd be okay with some of the other things I'm going to do when I get strong enough. Like obviate the Doom. Also the thing where you can accidentally glue your soul to someone else's; that sucks and if people want to do it on purpose I don't have a problem with it but it's not the kind of thing that ought to happen by accident.

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I really can't wait for you to meet my father.

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I'm looking forward to it.

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He's been in Mandos for five hundred years, I don't think he'll be okay. But once he is.

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Well, I'm already going to have to wait until I'm strong enough to go through with this. I can wait longer than that for him to be okay.

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Yeah. And take care of yourself in the meantime.

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You're very helpful with that.

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Not enough, not when he really needed it.

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I'm sorry. I...meant for me. But maybe I'm more manageable since I've had a twin to do it all my life.

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If she'd just been violently murdered trying to protect you and her killer had stolen half your magic abilities and fled to another continent to do everything the Enemy's been doing here, that'd give you a sense of how much support my father needed.

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I really don't think you can blame yourself for not being enough in that situation.

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It's not a question of blame, just a fact. He needed us and we were not enough and so he's dead.

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I'm going to fix that.

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I believe it.

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If--if your metaphor was accurate, I'm not sure anyone could have been enough. If Illia were dead, I--I don't know what I would do. I. Probably wouldn't be actively suicidal. Especially if I had kids who needed me. But.

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He wasn't suicidal, not after the first few hours. He just organized everything he needed to charge Angband at once and then charged Angband and died fighting.

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I will not do that without solid evidence it won't get me killed. And the ability to get out smart quick if it looks like I was wrong.

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I am very glad to hear it.

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I really don't want to die.

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Well, if you do what we tell you we can keep you alive.

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I know. I ran when Maedhros said run.

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We appreciate it. 

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"I'm going to have lunch and head back out to deal with more orcs."

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"Certainly. Have fun."

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"Have as much fun as you can, under the circumstances."

And then she goes out and kills orcs for a while. It's...worse. When you're not in a fit of rage and you have to remember that the people dying under your mind are people and as much victims of your real enemy as your friends are. But she's going to overthrow Mandos someday, and in the meantime this is the best she can do.

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He feeds Curufin more tidbits to break up the workload of running a kingdom in wartime. 

She not only decided within a week to fight the Valar, she decided not to tell us about it lest Mandos find out from our minds.

 

 

That, Curufin responds, is something like what I'd expect if someone gave Maitimo Father's ambitions and a Vala's powers and this war at age 21.

 

When you say it like that it sounds like a disaster.

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And Odette comes back in at a perfectly reasonable time for dinner. "I keep forgetting to do something about the food," she says in annoyance. "Killing orcs isn't a bad default but I keep doing it when there are other things I meant to do."

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"I can give you a task list in the mornings." Dinner is soup, duck, a dozen different desserts.

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"That would probably help."

And she checks in with her sister.

Hey, Illia.

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Heeey. So how have you been doing, my day was not great, killing orcs is actually super boring.

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I keep forgetting to do things other than that, so.

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At least anything you do has the added value of 'continue to spiral you towards a power level that will raise the dead and kill Morgoth' on top of its immediate value.

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Poor dear, she responds, not unsympathetically. You know I can fly you someplace with more humans so you can teach people magic, right?

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Might well take you up on that soon. Um. Possibly not Dor Lómin, though.

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...Why not that place in particular?

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Illia sends her the relevant portion of the conversation she had with Lady Hareth.

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Odette chokes slightly on a piece of duck and then dissolves into exasperated laughter.

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"Your sister all right?"

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"Someone who had been present when the gay thing came up and turned super awkward suggested that she get a girlfriend, insist on bringing her to dinners and kiss her at every course to make your cousin uncomfortable. She's nnnnot going to do it. But it was a funny mental image."

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"It genuinely does not serve any of our interests to try to make Fingon specifically declare himself for sexual progressivism."

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"She's really not going to do it, don't worry."

That's kind of hilarious.

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He should probably warn someone that family politics have apparently, driven by the newcomers, taken the predictable turn for the operatic. Or he could sleep with someone stupid and divert attention, that'd be a responsible way of managing the situation. Instead he just rolls his eyes.

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I know. Oh, trust me, I know. I like Hareth, she's so completely not afraid to speak her mind, but she doesn't entirely have the same priorities we do.

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"I mean, I'm pretty sure the person who suggested it didn't get why it would be a bad idea, even, it was one of your cousin's human...vassals or allies, I'm not sure which," she says when he rolls his eyes.

The two of them exchange further updates on various things, none sufficiently jarring as to produce conspicuous external reaction.

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"All well on the home front?"

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"Pretty much. I'll probably end up doing more food-increasing than I would have if it weren't for the ash clouds."

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"Not a bad idea."

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"There was speculation that Morgoth had or would do something permanent to the sun. I really hope that's not true, I don't think I'd be strong enough to fix that yet."

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"He tried centuries ago when it was newly in the sky. She told him to fuck off, as I understand it. The Valar are gonna care about that, if nothing else."

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"Oh, good, they're not completely useless."

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"Only mostly useless."

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"Indeed."

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"Is your sister causing political drama or just hearing about and enjoying it?"

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"The latter. She actually checked to make sure no one was watching and then insisted they continue the conversation in writing, once the other person brought up you-know-what, because she wanted to minimize actual drama if she could."

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"I appreciate that."

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"It seemed like the thing to do, yeah."

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"The thing to do is to ignore politics, they're boring. But enjoying them is at least harmless."

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"Well, you're not wrong."

That night Odette tries to reach for the sun and the moon and fails, and in the morning she takes her list and spends the next week or so zooming around accomplishing things on it and doing every bit of petty magic that enters her head and reaching out again to try to touch the sun and moon and failing and intermittently talking to her sister.

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And after about a week or so Curufin declares that he's caught up on all the work he missed fighting a war with Celegorm out and he'll talk to Celegorm's new stray who can someday bring the dead back, and Celegorm suggests he not phrase it that way and introduces the two of them.

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"Hi, I'm the magic human. Apparently you're going to want to learn the five languages I speak fluently?"

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"Can you talk in one of them and project a translation as you go? Then I can do that while we're also discussing the precision of your metal-shaping abilities."

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She switches from her still-imperfect Sindarin to Genoshan. "This is the one we spoke the most back home, and the one I mostly spoke before I had enough of your language to be basically understandable."

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He nods, sticks with Sindarin: "In your magical flying city? Is the language unique to that land?"

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"There are some people who aren't from Genosha who speak Genoshan, but in general, yes, it's the only place where it's the vernacular."

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"How did you end up speaking five languages?"

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"My parents aren't from Genosha. My father is from Anglia, so he speaks Anglic, and my mother is a Shemeshite from Prussia, so she speaks Hebrew, which is a language associated with the Shemeshite religion, Germanic, which is spoken throughout the German Princedoms, of which Prussia is one, and Ashkenazi, which is a tongue spoken in heavily Shemeshitic communities in the Princedoms, and also Poland and I think some other places. They spoke all these languages to my sister and I as we grew up."

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He nods. "It's a beautiful tongue. Celegorm says that you can work with metal, how precisely? If I give you something to copy, how good will the copy be?"

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"Thank you. How much have you heard about how my magic works? I just sort of--tell it to. Technically convince it to. If you give me an object and the raw materials to make a copy with it isn't generally hard to instruct the materials to be exactly like the object but there are technically complexity limitations? They usually don't come up."

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He pushes a delicate measuring instrument across the table. "This is calibrated so I can do work on the scale of thousandths of inches. Would the limitations arise there?"

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"Probably not. I'd have to try it to be sure. The limitations aren't hard-coded into the system, they're based on your personal skill and power level, and I've never tried copying something and then measured it to that level of precision before."

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"All right. A suit of armor? Can you duplicate rare and magical materials?"

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"There aren't any inherently magical materials at home, so I don't know. Rare works fine, though."

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He tosses her a rock that looks ordinary except that it's glowing brightly as a lamp. "Can you try replicating that?"

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"Sure." She stares at the glowing rock, concentrating.

Her first attempt--naively telling it to copy--produces a single tiny shard of non-glowing rock before she halts it. Too much power, not enough finesse...she tries again, weaving her perceptions into her persuasion, reveal your nature, what are you made of, what do I need to make you?

It's dizzyingly complex, in a way; nowhere near as intricate as a biological system, but less familiar, and without the hard-coded ability to reproduce, of course. That's fine. She doesn't need to understand why the bits are doing what they're doing, like she would if she were going to change it at all, just--have the information handy.

Slowly--

ever so slowly--

after several hours of nothing but staring and furrowing brows--

another shining stone appears.

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"Congratulations. If that sort of work is interesting to you there's no shortage of it, but it seems like it might be wiser to have you copy metal which we can then enchant and forge. Sadly you can't enchant it after it's finished."

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"Making glowing rocks a lot doesn't seem like a very efficient use of my time and energy, considering what else I can do, but I might want to every now and then; that was a challenge, and those are much better for increasing my magic."

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"Not glowing ones, no; we have rocks for which the enchantment is comparably difficult, or a little harder, and I could probably get you projects ordered by what I expect would be the difficulty of replicating them. Perhaps someday you'll be able to reproduce a palantir."

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"What's a palantir?"

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"Teach me to count in your language while we go upstairs? It's in the tower." And he stands and starts walking.

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She follows him. "One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, nineteen, twenty, twenty-one, twenty-two, twenty-three, twenty-four, twenty-five, twenty-six, twenty-seven, twenty-eight, twenty-nine, thirty, forty, fifty, sixty, seventy, eighty, ninety, one hundred, one hundred and one, two hundred, three hundred, one thousand, two thousand, ten thousand, one hundred thousand, one million, one billion, one trillion, one quadrillion, one quintillion."

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"Do those larger ones come up much?"

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"For everyday use? No. For science and engineering things? Maybe. I'm not sure. I'd have to ask Illia. More than for everyday use, though, that's for sure."

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He dismisses three guards, opens a locked door with a key around his neck, opens another only when Celegorm joins him with a different key. "Palantir."

It's perfectly circular, mostly opaque.

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"It's a crystal ball?" It is presumably not just a crystal ball.

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"Can see anywhere on the continent to a precision like you're flying directly overhead, can communicate mind-to-mind with anyone who has another one. They're complicated. My guess is that you can't replicate them, but I take it you get steadily stronger."

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"Wow. Yes, I get stronger--and as far as anyone's ever been able to tell, there's no cap."

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"So maybe eventually. By then Father will be back and will have suggestions for where to go from there."

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"Maybe. I'm going to want to be very, very sure I can pull off resurrection, before I try it again. Duplicating things isn't going to alert a potentially obstructive deity if I fail."

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He nods. "The palantiri are the second-most complex project my father ever attempted. They're a few thousand times more complicated than the tampstones and creating one probably modifies existing ones."

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"If creating one modifies existing ones...do you mean the act of creating one would modify existing ones, or that in order to create a functional new one you would have to alter the existing ones?"

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"The former."

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"Okay, then it should still be doable. I'd have to actually figure out how these things worked to change them."

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"Most of my father's notes were lost when our home was destroyed."

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"Oh, magic does feedback, I'd be able to figure it out eventually, it's just that 'eventually' might mean 'in millions or billions of years.'"

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He smiles at that. "It's reassuring to know that there are things our magic does better than yours. And useful; two systems with different strengths might have interesting strengths when combined."

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"It does. Your brother Maglor sang, while I was digging the trench on the plains, and boy did it ever help."

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"Proof of concept, then. We should be able to do a fair bit more than that." He's frowning. "Helped with what? Along what axes does your power have limitations, along what axes does it get stronger?"

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"You understand I'm not a theoretician; most of what I tell you will be half-remembered overheard concepts and basic intuition. So--more power means you can do more, or do the same thing faster, or more effectively. Basically. If I were trying to, say, decorate a stone hall by carving reliefs via Sympathy, then the stronger I get the more mass I can move around and the more detailed I can make the inscriptions and the faster I can do it and from farther away. Skill is also a confounding factor, granted, but if you took ten identical versions of me and had each one do the job for the first time at a different power level it would have the result I describe."

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"Skill is relevant insofar as you can be a more delicate wielder of magic? Or have better aesthetic sensibilities for the decoration? Power affects precision and speed? Do they trade off?"

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"When you have a given level of power, you can put a given amount of oomph into a spell, and since putting oomph into a spell is an action that requires effort, the more focused you are the more of the available oomph you can put in. Oomph can be spent on any of the characteristics I listed. Knowing what you're doing makes a spell use oomph more efficiently. Also, I used Sympathy for a reason; it's much better for--independent data handling, for lack of a better term."

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"In our system music is better for that, artifacts do very directed data handling."

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"Considering the level of complexity I saw in that rock and the fact that your brother has a biologically possible larynx I'm not surprised."

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"When Maglor sings does he give you more power? Or does it do something else?"

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"It gives me more focus."

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"Interesting. What sort of thing is a challenge that expands your capabilities? Doing hard magic? Doing a lot of magic? Doing novel magic?"

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"Expending more oomph increases my power level. Challenging myself mentally separately from magically improves my focus. And, hmm, there's--the amount of oomph you have for each of the three kinds of magic are separate but related? If I do a lot of Sympathy magic my Sympathy power levels will be much higher and my Effort and Conquest levels will be a little higher. Doing novel magic usually helps with focus, and there have been some papers published back home arguing whether or not it improves power levels above and beyond the normal oomph expenditure, but nothing conclusive."

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"Replicating minor magic items, that's challenging mentally but not in terms of oomph? Or both?"

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"Both, because it was Sympathy, so a lot of the informational stuff got handled by oomph instead of my own brain."

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"Is Sympathy the one you'll need for resurrections?"

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"Yes. Theoretically I could probably do at least parts of it with Effort or Conquest, but by default I don't use Effort or Conquest if I can figure out how to make Sympathy do."

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"So we should be providing you with novel tasks that are both focus- and power-demanding, and done with Sympathy, as often as possible."

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"Not necessarily as often as possible, depending on how often that is. There are, after all, a lot of things I can be doing with my time and magic that are less novel but highly useful in themselves. Which reminds me, would it be difficult to design an earthquake-resistant glass dome with holes to let air and rain through?"

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"Glass isn't what you'd want to be using. If you can do any material maybe you can develop one that does suit, though. Can you design something from specifications about tensile strength and hardness and compressibility, or do you need to have handled it?"

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"I need something as transparent as glass, to not kill the plant life. I...might be able to use specs, but handling the material would help."

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"You can't make the inside of the thing you create emit light?"

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"I...guess I could cover the inside in lights, but I'd have to come by every now and then to renew them, and the artificial lights I'm familiar with and would know how to make don't have all the same wavelengths as sunlight and aren't as good for plants."

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"Glass ceiling, walls of something else more resilient to earthquakes?"

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"Hm. Could do. I made it a dome on purpose, I'm pretty sure opaque walls would cast shadows that wouldn't be very good for the trees in the immediate vicinity, but that might be better than the alternatives."

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"The spiders end up killing all the trees anyway, I think, gradually. It's some kind of magical blight. Or - something transparent and sufficiently flexible should in principle be possible - if I asked your magic for materials with very high plasticity - that means they can irreversibly deform without breaking - could it give me anything just off that?"

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"No, because the information about what materials have this trait isn't meaningfully available. I could copy the light stone without knowing how it worked because it was right there to be consulted on its physical structure. Sympathy does independent data handling, not spontaneous data generation."

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"In that case give me an hour."

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"Sure."

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And he turns away from her and starts writing.

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Odette fetches her journal out of her bag and puts in some time on her long-term project of writing down everything she can call to mind about home so she doesn't forget if she's here for a very, very long time.

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After an hour he stops. "Okay. How much chemistry do you know? Chemistry is the study of physics on the scale of molecules, loosely speaking."

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"Um, I could probably draw up a mostly complete periodic table, I can basically explain exothermic and endothermic reactions, ionic and covalent compounds...I haven't memorized my old textbooks or anything, but I've taken chemistry classes and I think I've retained most of it. Not sure how to explain all the material covered without a syllabus."

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"If I give you diagrams of molecules that I think have the right properties, and explain what the substance made up of such molecules should look and feel like, would that be enough for Sympathy to work off? This molecule isn't one I could create, I'm sure there are processes that would create it but they're far beyond our current manufacturing tolerances."

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"As long as I know what elements all the atoms are, sure, that ought to work."

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"Write out your table so I can identify which elements are known to you?"

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She goes to a blank page in her journal and purses her lips. Okay, there are this many columns, and this many rows...that goes in that box, that goes in that other one...she writes in the atomic numbers for each box, the names as she recalls them, and then lists elements off to the side for which she can remember their names but not exactly where they go in the table.

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"Right, this'll be easy. Large organic molecules are all carbon. Okay, here are ten models. I don't know enough to predict which will come out best but they should all be transparent with very high plasticity and they'd all be manufactured, if I had the equipment, from compressed fossilized algaes or something like that, oil from organic carbon..."

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She nods along. Then she convinces her leaf to give up a quantity of plant oil, and from there constructs smallish samples of each of the ten kinds of plastic.

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He scowls at them. "None of those will do. Ordinarily I couldn't solve something like protein-design by trial-and-error, though, your abilities are astonishing." And he starts writing. "Let me make better ones."

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"Okay. I can teach you the basics at some point, if you want."

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"Maedhros did, in his letter. I like my head and think I'll wait on doing things that alter it until my father's back, at least if I can access the abilities I'd have from other people. Celegorm's learning it."

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"Fair enough." She goes back to scribbling while he works on his next prototypes.

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An hour later he has thirty more of them.

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She constructs samples.

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One of those is almost satisfactory. "Can you make more of it, so I can test more?"

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Making more of something (relatively) simple that she already has some of is pretty easy!

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He scratches it, bends it, digs grooves in it, applies pressure at various angles - "One more iteration."

 

And back to the notes.

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Odette starts toying with various samples to evaluate their applicability for purposes other than spider dome.

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"You can let me know other specifications for other projects and I'll try later," he says, "this is a productive way to go from speculation to prototype."

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"Oh, at this point I'm mostly looking for inspiration," she says. "I'm sure at some point or other another project will come up and I'll have something specific in mind then."

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He nods. "Waterproof paper is a problem that comes to mind that something in this genre might fix." And then back to his work.

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"Oh, yes, that would be useful--you'd need to figure out a more waterproof ink, I think, if you just used normal ink then the pages might be impervious to water but the writing could still wash off..."

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"Some kind of oil-based inks?"

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"That should work! And adhere to the pages better, hmm." She picks out the failed prototype with the most paper-compatible characteristics and starts generating thin sheets of it.

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By the time she has a stack of sheets he's finished the next round of suggestions.

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She generates those.

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He is, after extensive testing, satisfied with one. "I think this is transparent enough for the plants, should tolerate earthquakes, and if it's thicker than so isn't particularly vulnerable to spider hostility."

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"Excellent. Thank you."

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"It was an interesting problem," he says indifferently, and turns back to his work. "Let me know if you want a list of other things that might test your magic interestingly."

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"That would probably be helpful."

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"I will have it for you in the morning. The other thing to try now is which armor you can copy. I expect not much of it, it's magic. And whether you can copy mithril. Have Celegorm or someone show you."

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"Okay." Celegorm, I think you're brother's done with me for the moment.

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On my way. Productive?

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Very. I can reproduce lamp stones but it takes me a few hours, and your brother invented a new kind of substance--someone should come up with a name for it at some point, it's as transparent as glass but with almost all of the other properties different--and it might be possible to make waterproof books using one of his failed prototypes.

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All in an afternoon's work, as they say. Well, not really. I'm not sure he habitually invents new transparent substances.

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There isn't usually much call for it! Anyway now I'm apparently supposed to see if I can reproduce armor and mithril.

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Lovely. Armory's down the main staircase all the way below ground, and then on your left.

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Does she have to actually bother following the line of the staircase or can she just drop down?

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He's amused when she lands. "Hey. You've met Curufin, so now you can imagine my father by imagining that, but moreso."

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"How did he find the time to sire seven children?"

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"We're about fifty years apart each."

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"I guess that would explain it. So. Armor and mithril!"

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He points her at them. "Mithril there's no reason you wouldn't be able to do, but it's absurdly rare and valuable, so it'll be great and rather destabilizing if you can. Armor probably not, it's enchanted with things more complex than the lampstone. If you can make a non-enchanted copy that'd be of interest too."

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She nods, and tries the mithril first. That works fine. She looks at the armor. "So it took me a couple of hours to do the lamp stone, so I might be able to copy the armor, but it's going to take a while if I can."

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"Should I stop you and make you eat at some point, or does that run a chance of disrupting you seven hours into a seven-hour-and-five-minute process?"

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"...How about I eat first."

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"There's an idea. Can someone bring us lunch? You can also at least do the armor piece-by-piece, that should help."

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"Yeah. And I do have to start over if I get interrupted, so unless it's urgent you probably shouldn't."

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"Can do." They eat. He assured her she won't be interrupted unless it's worth it.

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Hokay.

Armor.

It is, in fact, more complicated than the lampstone, by about an order of magnitude.

She barely pays attention as she automatically pushes tiredness back, when it gets late.

She almost has it, about twenty-two hours later, when her concentration slips and the whole thing unravels.

Here, Celegorm, have a wide variety of swear words in four different languages and technically-not-profanity-because-Hebrew-has-been-a-religious-language-for-centuries-and-doesn't-have-those-anymore-but-the-invective-is-actually-rather-creative in a fifth, if you happen to be nearby.

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He's not nearby, but has good hearing. "I'm sorry. Try it some other time. Right now you're going to bed, I regretted not putting more conditions on my promise not to interrupt you."

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"It would have been worth it if it had worked."

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"Do you not gain strength and power from trying and failing at things?"

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"...Okay, it was still worth it."

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"Thought so. Now bed."

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"Yessir." Okay yes she's tired now that she's not holding it back with magzzzzzz....

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So he carries her off to bed. More drive than sense, some people. Like all of his favorite people in the world, actually.

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When she wakes up it is...an amount of time after sunset, and she's hungry.

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He has food.

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"Sorry you had to carry me up. I thought I could make it back to my room after stopping pushing back the tired. I miscalculated."

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"It was a terrible inconvenience and I'll probably hold it against you until you murder a dragon and save the lives of my peop- oh, wait. 

 

Eat something, you didn't yesterday."

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She laughs, and eats something.

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"Curvo left me a list of magic items ordered by complexity-as-we-measure-it, which seems to be pretty close to complexity as your magic measures it, and a list of mundane things that are super valuable by volume and that we can trade or use if you can copy them, and of molecules that seem potentially interesting."

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"Ooh!"

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"He also asked his son, who is exactly as brilliant, to set aside some time today to help you if you needed anything, and I recommend taking full advantage."

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"Right. I, um. I'm not sure if I'm going to know best what kind of help I'll need."

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"Oooh. That sounds like a problem that's more my style. If having better information about our tools and our magic helps you duplicate them, we can teach you that. If you want to understand the process Curufin is using to come up with molecules so you can tweak them yourself for needed traits, as the idea comes together, we can teach you that too. If you want someone to work on designs for shiny armor like Maedhros', they can do that too."

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"...Okay, um...I think Illia's going to want to learn how your magic works at some point, because honestly it sounds way more her style than mine, and also she's the one who went engineering-track in college in order to have a skillset less redundant with my large amounts of power. So trying to learn that sounds, um, not the most efficient use of my time. The molecules thing sounds fun and useful and also possibly related to bloodworking, which I've always meant to pick up at some point. Shiny armor sounds like a lot of fun but not necessarily justifiable if it takes a lot of time away from doing magic?"

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"Bloodworking? And armor keeps you alive, and also traveling around in it looking terrifying is good public relations, I think it's well worth the time."

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"The study of underblood. Well, theoretical bloodworking is the study of underblood, practical bloodworking is the manipulation of underblood. My father's a theoretical bloodworker."

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"This would be an occupation besides magic?"

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"Practical bloodworking is always magic. Theoretical bloodworking--well, it helps, but it isn't necessary."

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"Perhaps once the war is won it can be introduced here. Anyway, Celebrimbor can also walk you through anything else related to our magic and engineering that might be of interest - I don't know if there are things used to fight wars in your land because of magic, that we wouldn't have here because until recently they wouldn't have been useful -"

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"Riiiight Illia said you don't have ballista. Not that I'm sure they'd help. Or, you know, that they're not kind of obsolete--I guess her mind just went a hint medieval when she heard the words 'siege weaponry,' what was she thinking, not bringing up cannons..."

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"Other developments about your world obviate siege warfare?"

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"Nnnot exactly it's just that those specific words are for some reason generally used to describe some relatively obsolete stuff. I'm not sure it would be worth trying to re-develop handguns, no wait of course it would you do have human allies what was I thinking. Um. I hope Illia remembers how gunpowder works, 'cause I don't, but then your brother did just invent a completely new substance. Anyway. Basic principle is that if you create a really sturdy tube, stick an explosive in it, and then stick an iron or lead ball in it, and then set off the explosive, you will have a lead or iron ball traveling at very, very high velocity towards things you want damaged."

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"Okay. More range or damage than a longbow?"

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"Cannons? Yes on the damage, I don't know a longbow's range to compare. The kind of gun you can carry? Depends on the gun. Some of the really good, modern ones, yes, I think so. But the reason early guns supplanted longbows in my world was that they were easier to train people on. They were worse, but a thousand guys with crappy guns usually beats a hundred guys with longbows."

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"So maybe worth it for the kingdoms that have Men fighting in their wars."

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"Yes, the only reason I'm considering it possibly salient for you is that I don't want to bet for sure that your brother couldn't reinvent sniper rifles and explosive ammunition based on the dregs of trivium I can call to mind about gunsmithing."

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"Mention it to Celebrimbor."

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"I'll do that!"

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"Want to build the spiders their new home first?"

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"That's probably not terribly urgent. The glass held up fine until the volcanoes erupted, and to be honest I think I want to have more of my building material to start with before I head out."

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"All right. What's next, then? I could probably do armor designs with you, at least the steps of finding something you think is pretty and functional -"

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"I wouldn't know functional from a terrible book cover," she admits.

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"You liked Maedhros', we could use that as a template and go from there. You have two hands and narrower shoulders."

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"I do. Um, I did like your Maedhros' armor, but I'm concerned that your uncle and cousins would find it...worrying...if I decided to run around in something obviously based of your brother's."

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"We will avoid putting a star of Fëanor on yours, and can do it in your favorite color, what's that?"

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"Blue. Same shade my eyes used to be, actually, which was convenient."

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"That's their color and won't offend them a bit. Send me the shade, and I'll tell you the precise word for it?"

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She sends him the shade of blue.

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And he starts sketching. "Do people not wear armor in your world? Even ceremonially?"

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"I think soldiers wear armor. If anyone wears it ceremonially I don't know about it."

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"You have soldiers? In peacetime?"

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"Most countries have standing armies, just in case. Genosha doesn't, on the grounds that trying to invade a flying city held aloft by the Great Mage who rules it and his mage citizens would have to be the stupidest move ever."

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"I bet I could come up with stupider, but - yeah. 

 

Would your city crash if anything ever happened to him and he wasn't able to pay attention?"

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"Nah, he doesn't actually do most of the maintainance, every mage and hedgewitch chips in."

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"Can anyone immigrate to Genosha if they want to learn magic?"

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"Well, you have to have some way of getting there, or of getting the attention of the people whose job it is to help people get there, but theoretically yes."

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"Are there non-magical means of flight?"

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"Pretty much no. There are non-magical ways of getting attention, though."

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"Would Genosha lift up people getting attention because of a crisis? Refugees of a war?"

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"Great Mages aren't allowed to interfere with international politics. Probably he could manage to get--some. As many as he could make excuses for. But--"

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"Who made that rule?"

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"All the Great Mages who were alive five hundred years ago."

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"Did they intervene and it somehow made things much worse?"

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"May...be? No one who wasn't there knows exactly what happened five hundred years ago, but after the dust settled a lot of people were dead and there were a lot more restrictions on what mages couldn't do."

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"I see."

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"I should find out what happened five hundred years ago."

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"I think so. Can Sympathy do that?"

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"In general, yes. In this case? I'm probably going to have to wait until I get stronger. If finding out were trivial it would be common knowledge by now."

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"One can magically shield information? Huh. And fair enough. Let me know once you find out. It sounds troubling."

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"More like obscure than shield but I'm not sure how much the distinction matters right now. I'll let you know when I find out."

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"Celebrimbor says he's ready to talk when it's convenient for you." He stands.

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"All right then." She hovers. Vertically.

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And he sighs and shakes his head at her, and then bounds up the stairs.

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"Flying doesn't help much, but it does help, I'm not just showing off," she says as she follows him.

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"And you think I'd mind if you were? If I could fly I'd definitely fly. Specifically to show off, probably."

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"Oh, that's envy, I got it mixed up with exasperation for a minute there."

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"I expect I'd be an unhappy person if people doing cool things I couldn't do annoyed me."

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"Wow, yeah, your family's talents are way too diverse for that to be a workable trait."

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"Anyway I like the flying everywhere, it suits you."

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"Thanks."

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And he introduces her to Celebrimbor.

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"Hello, I'd introduce myself but I'm sure you've probably already heard all about me."

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"I get strategy memos," he says, "and occasionally do even read them. Nice to meet you."

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"Nice to meet you too. So, I had been going to talk to you about the clear stuff your dad came up with--we need to come up with a name for it--and armor, and some stuff I remember about the weapons we have back home."

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"Names for clear stuff. Your world doesn't have it?"

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"We have, like, glass and diamond, as far as clear things go, but I don't think anyone's gone around chaining hydrocarbons to make something like this before, at least not so's it's entered common knowledge."

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"Its most prominent trait is extremely high plasticity," he says. "I'm impressed my father also managed to make it transparent."

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"Yeah, he mentioned that. I'm half tempted to just call it 'plastic,' at least as a placeholder, but that just seem so--uninspired."

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"We have a linguistics guild that delights in this sort of thing, you can ask them to come up with a prettier word than 'plastic'."

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"Noted. Where can I find this linguistics guild, when I'm ready to go looking for them?"

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"Uh, everything's changed for an extended siege, they're usually near the university. I'm sorry, I'm no longer sure."

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"It's fine, I can ask someone else. Probably your uncle."

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"He'd know, yeah."

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She makes a note in her journal to ask Celegorm where to find linguists.

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"Armor is easy, especially if you can make any metal at will. We can do the enchantments the old-fashioned way. How do you want it?"

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"I don't know much about armor. Um, I liked Maedhros's. My favorite color is blue."

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"Oooh, that's a great idea, it will give everyone who thinks too much about politics a headache and all of them deserve it." He starts sketching.

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"That's just a side benefit!"

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"My uncle once had a friend who always wore white. She really liked hunting and riding and archery and other really not-compatible-with-white-clothes activities, but she always wore white. Someone asked her once if it was to be apolitical and she expressed astonishment that anyone thought colors were political, or that if they were the color for being apolitical wouldn't be, and I asked her once and she said it was just because people thought too much about it."

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"...Is this the dead cousin friend?"

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"That's the one. He talks about her a fair bit. Blames himself. I don't know if he's right to. On the one hand murdering someone's husband because he seems off is a bad course of action. On the other hand, well."

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"I think there are a lot of things where the best possible choice you can make with the information you have at the time and what you wish you had done because of information gleaned after the fact don't match, and this is one of them."

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"Are you going to bring him back? Because if I were her, I'd be really bothered to still be married to him."

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"Nnnnot planning on it. If anyone who doesn't want me to resurrect your grandfather decides to call me a hypocrite over it after the fact I reserve the right to pretend it slipped my mind or something, though."

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"Why are you so concerned with doing what's neutral? Do what's right."

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"If I have to choose between the two I'm obviously going to choose what's right but it has not escaped my attention that they have legitimate grievances, and as long as I can reasonably claim not to take sides without sacrificing anything important I might as well."

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"When a war endures five hundred years, everyone has legitimate grievances."

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"I know about the Ice. The war hadn't been going on five hundred years then. I haven't gotten your side's side of the story, and I'm assuming there are mitigating factors I don't know about, but I would really not like to give your great-uncle stress ulcers if I can reasonably avoid it. Also, my sister has gotten fond of one of your cousins, and if I can avoid adding drama to her life that would be nice."

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"I think bringing back Eöl is far too high a price to pay for feeling like you're not being unfair to each side. I think you should bring back who you want to and tell everyone you're the one with the resurrection powers and they can live with it."

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"Oh, I'm not bringing back Eol. At all. Anyway, if I start saying 'I'm the one with the magic powers, I do what I want, deal with it' then people start thinking of me as something to plan around, not someone to plan with, and they're not tactically wrong."

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He nods. "That's fair. You just don't have to make your whole self negotiable."

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"Damn straight it's not."

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He smiles approvingly. "What do you think of this for armor?"

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"Gorgeous and incidentally politically confusing."

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"That's the politicians' lookout. I can do it in a week. Weapons from your world?"

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She explains the basic idea behind cannons and crappy guns and not-crappy guns and "I think making gunpowder has something to do with something called saltpetre, but I just realized I don't actually know what that is."

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"I'll ask the Dwarves."

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She nods, assuming that this is a thing that it makes sense to do (she should probably investigate Dwarves more at some point, but that point is not now). "So I think the thing that was left was why the different molecules behave differently..."

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"Oh! Yeah, I don't have a good answer on that but together I thought we could figure it out by tweaking. Like, okay, take this as a base and then swap here.Or instead swap here. What differences are we getting in the material, can we reason to there from guessing how the molecules sit together..."

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Fascinated chemistry experiments!

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He clearly is delighted to have her capabilities to aid in the experimenting.

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Her abilities are so convenient. Magic is great.

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And after a while they have enough material for ten groundbreaking chemistry papers, or so he tells her. "After the war."

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"After the war there is going to be so much stuff happening, as everyone does all of the things they've spent centuries telling themselves they were going to do after the war."

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"People will get married, have children. I know people who've been waiting five hundred years."

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"Why are people waiting to get married? I mean, the children part is obvious, you're going to have such a baby boom, but if you can't have kids by accident...oh. Is it in case the other person gets killed?"

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"Yes. No remarriage, no hope of ever seeing your spouse again."

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"I'm going to fix that."

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"So I've heard."

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"Periodically I feel the need to restate it when I'm reminded of why or given more reasons."

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"My mother isn't dead. She just stayed in Valinor. Not much to be done about that."

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"Interpersonal problems aren't the kind of thing magic can solve, or even the kind of thing where trying to solve it by magic anyway fails gracefully," she agrees.

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"They aren't very responsive to inventiveness either, to my grandfather's perpetual disappointment."

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"It probably failed more gracefully than magic would, at least."

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"I think it failed much worse, actually."

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"So when I say magic wouldn't fail gracefully I mean nobody would do it because it gets you killed, but mind control is technically possible."

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"Who needs that when you can incite a whole city into a terrified and desperate mob, get Oaths, and go?"

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"That only works if you're dealing with people who can make Oaths. Not everyone can."

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"Right, you're mortal. You don't look much like the mortals around here."

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"Oh, right, I copied your uncle's eyes."

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"That and - healthier. The mortals here tend to all be hungry and have mottled skin and messy hair. It's because they get sick so much but we have no idea how to fix them. I take it magic helps."

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"People don't really...get sick, back home. Not and stay that way, I mean. Disease is pretty much the easiest possible thing to heal."

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"That's excellent. Here I think it's rather crippling to them. So many of them die as children, it gets worse if they live in cities but we can't protect them if they don't..."

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"I know. I've been--fixing that, whenever I go on a 'heal people and teach magic' trip to a human settlement of any sort. But it's so awful."

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He nods. "After the war."

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"Yeah."

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"Are you all right?"

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"Sometimes I get in moods over all the things wrong with the world and the fact that I can't fix them yet. This isn't a particularly bad one, as they go."

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He grins. "Me too. When that happens, I come here and invent things. I highly recommend it."

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"I think in my case that mostly translates to running around doing large amounts of magic, since inventing things is how you get better at fixing the world and doing magic is how I do it, but inventing molecules is in fact pretty great!"

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"I'll let you know if an idea comes to mind for inventing any other ones. Something with a higher energy density than coal would be really useful."

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"And I'll swing by for prototype generation."

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He smiles. "Great. See you around, though probably not too much, I spend most of my time here."

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"See you!"

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"Productive?"

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"Mhm! I have tentatively decided to conclude that everyone in your family is great."

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"Does that count the cousins? Because I expect you and Finrod to butt heads."

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"Well, counting Fingon, anyway. Which one is Finrod?"

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"Blond. Pretty. Rules Nargothrond. You haven't met him."

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"I think Fingon is the only one of your cousins I have met. Why d'you think I'm going to butt heads with him?"

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"Uh, one, Irissë always did and in terms of personality you remind me a bit of her. Two, he has this condescending attitude towards Men and will probably lecture me about you, which will make him the world's biggest hypocrite. Three, remember all those refugees you evacuated because they were on the front lines of the war? Did you wonder who put them on the front lines of the war?"

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"Ah-ha. Yes, that sounds like the kind of person I'm liable to butt heads with."

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"He's a very likable guy. In the sense that everyone likes him, not in the sense he has any traits I like."

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"...Is this pretty vassal guy?"

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"Yes."

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"How much of a disaster would it be if I punched him in the face?"

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"A really big disaster."

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"I won't do that, then. But--eugh."

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"We need his kingdom to win the war."

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"I will refrain from expressing my opinion of his behavior in a manner likely to reach his ears at the very least until Morgoth is dead."

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"Thank you."

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"How much leeway do I have if he starts getting patronizing? Is acting more aloof and intimidating okay, or do I need to paste a smile firmly on my face if I ever have to be in a room with him for more than ten minutes and then go punch a wall in such a way that afterwards it is the wall that's in need of repair and not my hands."

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"Maybe you should ask his people? The ones you rescued, I mean. They'd know better than I."

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"I have sort of been assuming they're terrified of me now. I was not terribly careful of their feelings when I was rescuing them."

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"So you were just, what, going to avoid them until they died?"

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"No! Of course not! But they don't seem like the best choice of people for asking for advice on whether or not it would be appropriate to be intimidating."

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"My guess is that if treat Finrod like a fellow player of the elegant game of politics, he'll like you fine. Intimidating can work, there, but it has to be restrained."

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"I don't know how to play politics. I got through my audience with your uncle by panicking and inventing osanwe range-boosting to beg your brother for help!"

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"I can go with you, though then he's really going to give me a hard time."

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"Why would he be giving you a hard time? ...Is this the chaperones thing all over again."

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"So his brother fell for a mortal girl. And it was a disaster for all parties and he has strong opinions on the topic."

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"I don't suppose it will help matters if I explain that we're not dating and I'm not going to die in a handful of decades?"

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"I mean, he'd know the first thing and probably disapprove of the second, he'd just give me constant running commentary anyway. It'd be a million times worse if he thought he had a basis, but he hardly needs one."

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"I think it might not be worth the benefit to bringing you to have to constantly suppress scathing comments about how you went out of your way to avoid doing the thing to me that he was apparently perfectly happy to do to random pretty people."

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"...if you say to his face that he slept with the men he liked seducing into being his protégé's and personal assistants then we will have a really big political problem on our hands. So if me being absent makes it easier to avoid saying that, I am staying home.

 

Also, 'went out of your way' is kind of strong language for 'didn't forcibly marry someone', I admit I didn't kill Eol but I assure you that I would have if I'd known -"

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"...I meant the vassal thing? I wasn't thinking about sex at all, I was thinking about the fact that you respect me as a person with my own agency and my own name."

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"You have a great name. Finrod is involved with his vassals and it is at least half the issue I take with him and I thought you might have pieced it together but you really really cannot say it."

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"I suspected but if he doesn't think we're sleeping together then I wouldn't be even slightly tempted to include it in any scathing commentary I was suppressing."

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"I don't think he'd jump to that. Warn me off it, sure, but not very sincerely. I am really prejudicing you against someone you've never met, this is a bad idea."

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"Does it help if I say you did that by accident the first time you told me he literally renamed someone vassal? I am, um. Possibly more sensitive to that particular thing than most people would be, I have some really good reasons to be attached to my name in particular and it sort of gets generalized even when other people aren't as specifically attached. And if someone is in the habit of enchanting humans into vassaldom I do appreciate being warned. And if I found out any of this by surprise while I was talking to him I probably wouldn't be as good at diplomatically not bringing it up. See also: my sister bringing up gay marriage in the middle of dinner."

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"Those are good points. Alright, I'll continue venting with a clear conscience. Finrod was I think more invested in the girl his brother got involved with than his brother himself was, he kept visiting her over the decades to talk about the necessary differences between Elves and Men. Long after Aegnor himself had cut and run."

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"Is he likely to be more sensitive about it since Aegnor just died?"

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"Possibly. Probably. I'm sure he's grieving and in a lot of pain. You can bring people back, that'll help."

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"It should help me be patient with him, anyway."

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"Aegnor was a good man. We're weaker for having lost him."

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"I was there. For part of it. I wonder if I could have gotten him out, if I had known to."

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"You can get him back, right?"

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"Yes."

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"I wonder how Andreth'll feel about it. If she's still alive."

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"She might be? How long ago was this, exactly? Would she be with the refugees I resettled if she is?"

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"Oh, this was super recently, she'd be in her eighties or nineties now. Men don't always live that long but sometimes they do. And yes, she lived in Ladros."

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"De-aging one human out of all the hundreds of humans I'm de-aging sounds like a super safe substitute for yelling at him."

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"Seems like it might, yeah. Pop over to them sometimes soon? They must be in fairly desperate straits, we were not prepared for that many refugees because under ordinary circumstances there's no way we could have gotten them out."

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"Healing and de-aging and teaching and increasing the food supply and apologizing for being scary. Sounds like a plan. I thiiiink I'll do one more stint of orc-killing and then do that because theoretically any given military action is more valuable than any given non-military action and my stops to help people more personally are supposed to be mental health breaks."

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"If Andreth is alive seems like it might be an exception. Diplomatic leverage is military action."

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"True...what time is it? I think I wasn't really paying attention when I was nerding with your nephew."

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"Pretty late. You're not going today."

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"Dinner, then, and then a short stint with the orcs, and I can leave after breakfast tomorrow."

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So they dinner. And then orcs. And then bedtime.

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And then breakfast, in the morning, and then off to where she settled the refugees.

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They're still there. They don't have shelter. There is a river.

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Oooof course they don't.

Presumably someone will notice her if she hovers a bit above and a few meters off horizontally from where they are.

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People definitely notice her, and gather around a bit warily.

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"I'm sorry I wasn't gentler relocating you. It was a crisis and I was more worried about getting as much done as I could as quickly as I could than about how well I was doing it. I am extremely magic even beyond the floating and I can raise houses, heal anyone who's wounded or sick, restore youth and teach anyone who wants to learn the basics of how my magic works."

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They look around at each other, a little bewildered. Then - "Okay," a woman says, shouldering to the front. "Lot of people are wounded, maybe let's start there. And can you do food?"

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"Yes. Plant matter's easier than meat but I can do both."

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Food and building requests, and healing, take most of the morning to fill.

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The food takes her the longest, unless anyone's missing pieces that include bone she has to re-grow.

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They aren't. And then they are all gathered in an orderly manner for magic lessons, from age five to, yeah, about age ninety.

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She considers shooing the children, decides this isn't the best idea possible, and begins.

This is how magic works this is what it costs don't do anything much bigger than fixing diseases until you are at least fourteen please this is what it feels like so far only telepathy has been demonstrated to get that across with enough fidelity here are some basic exercises does anyone want her to de-age them while they're working on those, magic can totally do this, she is in fact twenty-one but she's still going to look like she's in her early twenties when she's ninety and is not at any point going to die of old age.

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This provokes outright cheers. And crying. And hugs. And is quite disruptive, really, but then they get back to the exercises with a ferocity. Everyone would like her to de-age them.

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She's not de-aging anyone younger than twenty--can't, actually, what this does is reverse deterioration due to age, not maturation--but everyone older than twentysomething gets to be much younger. Also she would like to introduce herself to people while she's fixing them, her name's Odette, what's yours?

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"Beril." "Hirwen." "Bregor." "Gilwen." "Andreth," says a women of nearly ninety with a firm handshake.

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Odette commits all these names to memory, and allows none of the glee that Andreth is still alive to show on her face, and finishes de-aging everyone, and supervises the rest of the lesson, and gives a general outline of how to progress from there, apologizing that she has a lot of things to do and she'll drop by later to see how they're progressing, she promises, but she has other things that need magicking; is there anything else they can think of that she could do to help before she goes? Besides "kill Morgoth"; that one's a long-term project.

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They will have more suggestions drawn up for her when she returns.

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Excellent.

She kills orcs for a while, which is less excellent, eats some lembas she had grabbed before she left for dinner, kills some more orcs, and heads back to Celegorm's fortress.

She was totally alive and is now as physiologically young and healthy as I am, she informs Celegorm when she's in regular osanwe range.

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Cool! Did you two get the chance to speak?

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I couldn't figure out a non-awkward way to say 'hey your ex-boyfriend is dead but I can probably bring him back and also I heard his brother is a prick' so I didn't bring up that I was specifically looking for her, but we talked a little bit while I was teaching magic.

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Yeah, fair enough. She's written several dozen books on history, culture, and politics. I shoulda mentioned that before you left.

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And now she'll have the chance to write several dozen more. Are they good? Should I be reading them? ...After I've learned your alphabet, I mean, I keep not doing that and it didn't go on the list.

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I don't know, I can't read. I've heard good things about them.

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You can't read? Why not?

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All the brains in the family got doled out elsewhere.

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...That doesn't make sense.

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I don't actually know why I find reading so difficult. My father tried to figure it out for several years and invented a different alphabet for me because that was easier than teaching me. Sadly, random Men do not write in my father's Celegorm-alphabet.

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Maybe you're dyslexic?

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And that is?

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Remember how I tried on your hearing but I couldn't use it because my brain wasn't wired right? Sort of like that, only for writing, I think.

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Sounds about right. Anyway, I can read but I basically don't, and definitely not recreationally.

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Fair enough. It really has nothing to do with intelligence, though, one of my father's bloodworking students that I recall was dyslexic and she was the best in her class, she needed stuff read to her sometimes but she was smart enough to be one of Dad's favorites, is why I remember her at all. Can I learn your alphabet at some point or is it private?

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Why would it be private? Someone can go over it with you whenever you next take a break.

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I don't know, I just didn't want to assume. Or make demands. Anyway, I already ate, and it's late, so I'll probably head straight to bed.

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I approve. We'll be honored to teach you our alphabet. My father invented it.

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Wow, really?

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Anything you're impressed by, my father probably invented it.

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Your species' eyesight, she suggests whimsically.

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Well, he could do lenses that make it even better.

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I'm going to see if I can get appreciably closer to the sun and moon before I actually go to sleep.

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Good luck.

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Thanks. And she comes inside and goes to her room and sits on her bed for a while reaching for the heavenly bodies and she goes to sleep.

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And is woken with breakfast. "Maedhros says Fingon says to ask you if you'll do a tour of the kingdoms, making it known to everyone what's going on and talking with them about how this changes the war."

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"Um. Probably. I should talk to Illia."

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"For sure."

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Hey, Illia, how goes?

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Fairly well. Two biggest things: I totally decided to do the Queen thing, I'm founding a city, I want you to build it, and Fingon wants you to diplomacy at people.

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I know Fingon wants me to diplomacy at people. He told Maedhros who told Celegorm who told me. That's actually why I'm checking in now instead of at a different time. Details, please?

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Illia sends her the memory of Fingon's summary of the different places.

 

"Nargothrond. Ruled by my cousin Finrod who adores mortals and will probably be slightly condescending towards Odette but happy to help her. Reluctant to go to war with us mostly because he doesn't like our odds, which she is a big factor in, so she can just talk about her capabilities a lot and act impressed when he makes obvious inferences about what they'll allow us to do in the fighting.

Doriath. Isolationist and paranoid as hell, but if she gets in the borders at all ruled by a Maia queen who knows magic when she sees it and could give Odette a sense of when/whether she can take a Vala.

Brithombar. Friendly, likable, reasonable, would commit resources if they had them, maybe she can give them some."

Gondolin. Location currently unknown. The King is my brother and would be super happy at the prospect of eventually getting his sister and his wife back."

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Finrod has been explained to me.

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Does it make you feel better if Fingon's original phrasing of "diplomacy" was "make scary faces"?

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It might. I have already promised not to let my opinions of him interfere with the war effort, though.

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And actually trying to scare people would be bad, just--let it be known that you are fantastically powerful. And yourself. Well, to whatever standards of yourselfness involve not alienating condescending people.

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Reminding myself to be patient because his brother just died is going to help.

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Oh. Yeah.

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I have the feeling "I'm going to be able to raise the dead" is going to be a major diplomatic help.

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Unfortunately, yes.

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So. City. Tell me about it.

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Emily pulls out her city plans and goes over them in telepathic detail.

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Okay, I'll get started on that...at some point. Maybe after I talk to Doriath? I might as well grab the glass from the spiderdome since I'm replacing it anyway, and then head down. Oh, and I should ask the refugees if they want to live in a walled city instead of where they are. I made them some houses, but...

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Sounds like a plan. Anyway, I'm kind of nervous about the actual, you know, ruling part--I've been reading these books, they're really helpful, and there's always Atennesi Cohen's example to draw from, but it's not the same thing.

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Wait. Which books?

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Telepathically transmitted reading list.

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Odette bursts out laughing.

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"Sister all right?"

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"She decided to do the Queen thing, she's founding a city in Nevrast and making me build it, and she's been reading Andreth's books."

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"Oh, lovely. ...the two of them should really meet."

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"I'm going to ask if they want to move there when I go to check up on their magic progress. I made them houses but my sister's city is going to have walls around it."

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"And be under human rule, which should appeal to them."

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"Yeah, that was rather the point of the project in the first place, come to think of it."

Andreth is alive, well and de-aged. She's one of the refugees I got out of Dorthonion before everything went to hell there.

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Yes!

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"I think it's a great idea."

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"Yeah. I think she's right to be nervous, though. It's a commitment."

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"A very serious one. When you develop the means to go back she can't just abandon a kingdom."

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"Yeah. It's--I'm having trouble articulating--wait, I don't need to." Elf telepathy is so great.

Being one of two mages with any real education behind them, in a world that needs them more than home ever did, is a major responsibility, and even in the short time they've already been there--it's easy to get used to being useful, being needed, doing something meaningful. Going back to being just a largely-idle university student--it would be like being a snake trying to cram yourself into a skin you've just shed. And it makes sense that Illia would do this, even though it also makes sense to be nervous about the enormity of the step she's taking.

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"Well. We'd be happy to have you stay even after the war."

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"I'm not really planning specifics that far in advance, yet. Too many unknowns. But yeah." Worst comes to worst--which she wouldn't expect it to--going home as a fully-fledged Great Mage wouldn't be the same as going home as A Random College Student. Or, y'know, she could just loiter in her sister's kingdom being court magician. Come to think of it, she probably should officially be a citizen the political entity her sister runs, once it meaningfully exists, even if she keeps loitering in assorted Feanorian fortresses.

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"It was thoughtful of Fingon to offer."

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"He seems pretty great."

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"That's taking it a bit far."

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She shrugs. "I'm sure he has problems. I know he has problems. But Illia likes him."

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"I'm very glad of that."

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"...My overall impression of him is that he has a lot of, um, problematic cultural features, he hasn't shucked, but he genuinely tries to do the right thing, and succeeds a lot. Trying counts for a lot, with me."

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"...problematic cultural features?"

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"Probably not the best way of wording it, I'm mostly thinking of things like that one time he called my sister a child."

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"Fair enough."

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"...If there's anything you think I ought to be warned about in a similar manner as Finrod but are hesitating to because I like him, I would prefer to be warned."

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"Hmm? No, Fingon is good. Rather straightforwardly so. To my knowledge he has not seduced any of his vass- well.

 

I wouldn't hesitate to tell you if I thought he were doing something wrong or particularly if I thought he was using your sister."

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"I'm glad. It seemed unlikely, granted, given what he's helping her do."

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"Yeah, it's a good project."

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"I'm excited about it."

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"Has she picked a title?"

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"For herself? I think she's just going with queen, why?"

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"Because that's half the fun of ruling something and she should enjoy it more."

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"I think she's planning to have fun designing the crown. Any tips for fun titles?"

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"The best criteria is to imagine Finrod using it and imagine how you'll feel about that."

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She giggles. "I think Queen seems pretty fun by that definition."

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"And you? Going to be a princess?"

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"Why not?"

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"I don't know. It's entirely up to you, that's rather the point."

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"Idiomatic way of saying yes, that sounds like fun," she clarifies. "Maybe I should design a crown too. Something simpler than hers. A circlet."

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"Oooh. I bet Celebrimbor could do it in the style of your armor, too, and have a stylized circlet built into your helm for when you're fully armored..."

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"That sounds like a great idea. I was thinking gold or platinum with a blue opal centerpiece, what do you think?"

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"Does your ability to create anything you want extend to 'looks like gold, holds like steel' or no?"

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"I have to make things that obey the laws of physics when I'm done with them. If there exists a substance that does that, I could do it, or I could do steel with a thin coating of gold, or I could just do steel, that sounds potentially aesthetic."

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"You can make our kind of magic items, though. Huh. If there is something that does that, we don't know of it, but there could be."

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"At that point, it's your magic doing the heavy lifting. My magic doesn't really stick around without someone actively maintaining it."

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"Huh, makes sense. Too bad  our really complex magic takes so much power for you."

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"It would take less power if I understood it better and my magic was doing less of the information processing," she admits.

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"Oh, sorry, I should have suggested that for the list of things Celebrimbor could do for you."

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"I did think of it, but I don't think I really want to spend a lot of time learning that right now, and I suspect that my sister will want to learn how to do it and having her osanwe me the relevant information might well do as good as knowing it for the relevant purposes."

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"Well, she's always welcome to visit."

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"Maybe she can hang out here while I'm building her city."

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"Seems to defeat the purpose of letting you hang out with your sister, but yeah, sure."

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"If she's learning engineering magic from your brother and/or nephew I'm not going to get much more out of her from being in the same room than from being that far away."

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"Right, fair enough. How long will it take you to build her a city?"

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"I'm honestly not sure. I've never built a city before."

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"Then it's a good power-practice project! Can you build a wall with all the enchantments already in place? They're really simple, the ones we use for walls -"

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"Probably! What enchantments do you put on walls?"

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"Makes it harder for the Enemy to take them down." He sends a mental image.

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"Does the number of sigils improve the effectiveness? The size? I could carve hundreds of those per square foot, if I was willing to go slower."

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"Smaller is better, they stack but sub linearly. Hundreds per square foot would be super convenient."

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"I could do that! I could do what with walls that already exist, too, maybe I should put it on my rotation."

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"Might want to check first that adding them doesn't somehow cancel existing ones if you add them in a way that carves over ours or something, but then by all means."

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"How should I check that?"

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"We could build a small test wall outside."

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"Okay!" Science is great.

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"I'll have someone set it up."

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"Let me know when it's done. Anyway, tentative yes on the diplomacy but I reserve the right to stop if something goes horribly wrong, I wonder if there's any particular reason to care in what order 'inviting the refugees including Andreth to live in my sister's city' and 'diplomacising with Finrod' happens in."

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"None comes to mind. Unless you're flying them all a thousand miles moving them will be arduous."

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"I can certainly understand why they wouldn't want me to, but I could do it."

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"Maybe toss the idea out there the next time you're around, give them some time to get used to it."

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"And talk to Andreth, probably. They didn't have any form of shelter when I checked on them last time, I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't getting news, and even if I would rather not someone should probably let her know her ex-boyfriend is dead."

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"Yeah, we have mechanisms in place for supplying and communicating with all of our refugees but "lift Finrod's people out of Dorthonion at a hundred miles an hour" wasn't in any contingency plans and while we're still pressed militarily I doubt Maedhros has gotten more than a minimal supply convoy organized and over there."

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"They have little kids. I'm so, so glad I got them out."

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"It's hard to have Men help in the fight without putting their civilians in harm's way. They don't want to be away from their families for years on end either."

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"Mhm."

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"We decided to solve that problem by basically not involving Men in the war. I'm not actually sure, morally, that's the way to go - after all, anything that makes the war more winnable really honestly is worth it. But still."

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"I'm reminding myself that telling myself I'm ready before I really am because the war needs to be over is just going to get me killed."

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"Yeah. Don't do that. We can easily hold on ten more years."

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"I don't know that it won't take me more than ten years to kill Sauron, let alone Morgoth. This is unprecedented."

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"We are hoping to also have an army that can at a minimum keep them distracted and off you."

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"Yeah. I hate the idea of people dying for me, but--no good options, here."

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"We'd be dying for this cause with or without you."

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"Feels more personal this way. I'm not saying it's rational."

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"Fair enough."

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"I should probably solicit more details about the diplomacy thing. Not necessarily right now, but definitely before I go do it."

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"I am extremely not the person to ask."

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"Didn't think you were."

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"Whenever you're ready I'll have Maedhros set aside an afternoon."

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"Probably a good idea, although I meant more along the lines of asking Fingon what it was he wanted me to say to these people."

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"I think the two of them are coordinating pretty closely on this, but yes."

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"Oh, that makes sense."

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"Without us at least acting as a political unit pulling off this sort of thing would be impossible. When Maedhros and Fingon disagree nothing happens."

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"Think it's going to cause any problems when I'm officially with my sister's city instead of you guys?"

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"You're not officially with us now. And yeah, probably will upset the table a bit. They'll work it out."

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"I'm not officially with you now but I'm not officially not with you either. Anyway it'll probably do some of these people some good for a human kingdom to have one of the highest trumps on the table."

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"I expect a lot of people will agree to your sister's kingdom who wouldn't otherwise - not that it's up for vote, exactly, but diplomatic recognition will be good - specifically because it means you're not with my family."

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"Which is kind of ridiculous, since I intend to do as I please regardless, but. Politics."

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"Are all ridiculous. Though also, when we're spending most of our time with you we can probably influence what it pleases you to do, people don't intend an insult to you when they assume that where you are has something to do with your objectives."

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"It is true that if I spent less time around you I probably wouldn't care about you as much and if I didn't care about you as much I would be prioritizing bringing your dad back much lower."

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"Yep."

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"Bah. I don't care. I need people to care about and you're pretty great. I just wish all this 'the personal is political' stuff weren't flying around so people wouldn't make a fuss over me resurrecting whoever I pleased."

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"People mostly make a fuss because they notice you're responsive to fussing."

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"My responsiveness to fussing is to ask your brother to help me smooth feathers, not to actually not do the thing I want to do. I--am very conscious of how much power I have and that I don't have an exceptional resistance to Conquest, so I try to avoid throwing down ultimatums, but," she shrugs. "I don't really know what I'm doing here and I'm trying not to err on the side of unduly throwing my weight around so if you tell me I'm erring in the other direction I can't say I'm surprised."

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"I think it's a good side to err on. I'd probably have been bothered, if you'd shown up here throwing your weight around, so it makes sense other people'd feel the same way. I just don't want you to feel like the political consensus is right and you have to get it in your favor to be right."

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"I don't. If I did I would probably be putting off bringing your dad back instead of having tried and succeeded at making it work instead. I just--I don't like having to justify myself to other people, and I hate the idea that I would have to leave someone dead if I had been less clever, and I'm going to have to diplomacise with someone while pretending to be a completely different person, and--augh. I wish everything were as simple as 'get stronger, smite Morgoth.' Fucking politics."

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"Yup."

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"Maybe I can just pretend politics don't exist once Morgoth's dead and making sure people aren't as pissed off at each other as they could be isn't necessary to keep all the weapons pointed at him."

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"That sounds lovely. I am super in favor."

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"Add it to the 'when the war's over' list."

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"I had kind of planned, when the war was over, to tell everyone fuck you and spend the next thousand years hiking the perimeter of the continent with Huan and any animals I met along the way for company. If Dad's back maybe I won't feel the need to do that."

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"Reasonable. I wish you the best of luck if you decide to do that."

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"I"m much less inclined that way, now. At a minimum I'd want to check out your world, once you can move freely between them."

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"My world thus far appears to be shockingly similar to this one, in terms of flavor of wildlife. Maybe once the right people get good enough at magic we could send you to wander around on the moon for a while, our moon is a ball of rock like the earth but smaller."

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"A ball of rock?"

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She sends him a basic summary of how her solar system works.

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"I really don't see how that'd work, but okay."

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"I'm not sure how a flat world works. I'm pretty sure the answer in either case is 'more physics than either of us know'."

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"Anyway, once you can bounce back and forth without problems I'd love to see yours. Valinor has every kind of wildlife, it's not that I'd need to see new animals, just - new places. New lands."

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"One of the nice things about living in a flying city is loitering near the edge and watching the world go by below. I can recommend you some things that looked amazing from the air."

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"I'd like that. ...can one just fall off? One who doesn't fly, I mean?"

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"No, there's a thing, it's part of the enchantment."

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"So what happens if you jump, do you just bounce right back?"

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"The air sort of starts getting thicker...I'm not sure 'bounce back' evokes the right mental image but I think it's technically accurate."

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"The Noldor would have turned it into a competitive sport."

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She giggles. "I think Atennesi would probably have asked you to go build your own flying city and stop being a bad example for children creative enough to actually get over the barrier."

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"We could do that."

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"I bet! Enchanting is kind of hard, I can't do it just yet, but even a lot of non-Great mages learn it eventually so from everything I've heard about your dad he should be able to raise a city in a week." She's joking. Mostly.

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"He's going to like you."

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"That sounds strictly pleasanter than the alternative, especially since I anticipate liking him too."

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"You will."

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"Whenever you talk about your dad I feel either boiling anger that I'm not good enough to bring him back yet or bubbling delight that someday I will and right now it's the second one."

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"Most people feel boiling anger for different reasons. Makes it a bit hard to just say - yes, he's amazing, and I love him, and I miss him."

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"My mom hunted down and killed the man who murdered her parents and there was some collateral damage and there exist people who would have every right to hate her for that and I would go to the ends of the earth to get her back if something happened to her."

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"We've just been trying to carry on the mission he left us."

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"Yeah. I just--I get that there's reasons for people to be mad at your dad, and none of it makes me any less sympathetic to the fact that you miss him."

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"Yeah."

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She hugs him briefly. "I should probably actually get started on doing useful things for the day."

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"I wasn't going to say it. Tyelpe left me his list of magic items by order of complexity, if you're inclined to give that sort of thing a try."

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"I think I would like this list and I will use it but I'm not going to start off by using it right now. Um, I assume that was either your brother or nephew but I'm not sure which."

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"Cool, where are you headed? And nephew."

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"Probably I will go kill orcs because that's the primary flying-compatible thing on my rotation and I really feel like flying right now. Real flying, not just hovering."

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"Later!"

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"Later!"

She can probably deal with the diplomacy thing on a roughly elvish timescale; she's not planning on putting it off too much, especially since she's planning to build her sister's city after she retrieves the glass currently making up the spider dome which should happen roughly concurrent with diplomacising with Doriath, but it can wait a week or so, probably. She generates more of the transparent material, and hunts down the linguistics guild and consults with them on it, and clears ash out of the sky, and kills orcs, and visits human settlements and goes through her helping-humans list with them.

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The linguistics guilt offers candidate words for plastics. And are very impressed. 

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They should go be impressed with Curufin, he designed the stuff.

She likes "tinkte" best out of the available options--a portmanteau of the words for chain and honey, for the way the molecules are structured and arranged.

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So it is named! Everyone is earnestly very pleased that this was possible, and they are impressed with Curufin, but they've already sworn him their lives, they can be impressed with other people too for a change.

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This is fair. Magic is so great.

And then she has enough of the stuff to get started on the dome so she might as well arrange to talk to Maedhros (Maitimo, she has talked to her sister again in the intervening time, but she knows better than to say the name aloud and will cultivate good habits by not bringing up that she knows that name at all) about diplomacy so she can make her trip to the general Doriath area.

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Maedhros has heard what she's been up to, wants to communicate his delight, and would love to have her for dinner.

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Odette is vaguely suspicious as to whether he is actually feeling the emotion 'delight' but does her best not to let it show in case he is. She will totally come over for dinner.

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Dinner contains a variety of food, served elaborately. Someone must have lectured him. Whether or not he is experiencing delight he smiles when he sees her. "Odette. Thank you for stopping in."

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"My pleasure. How are you progressing at magic?"

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He quirks an eyebrow. What had looked like a wooden shelf attached to the back wall floats up, down, then away from the wall. He takes a candy off it. "Would you like one? This is about as much weight as I can hold perfectly level, so far."

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"What is it?"

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"I have no idea. Don't have much sensation of taste. They're usually quite popular. The Dwarves import them."

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...He probably knows she can fix that. She won't bring it up. "Sure, I'll try it."

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They turn out to be chocolate truffles. They're quite good. The first course of dinner is a creamy soup, which Maedhros compliments the chef on. "Once the fighting dies down here, we want to counterattack. It seems like the Enemy gains capabilities unpredictably - the volcanos were disastrous, the dragons would have been devastating if not for an unexpected advantage on our side - and that waiting until we're in a position of more overwhelming strength might not work as intended. Both because we think it gives us the best chance of success and because it seems likeliest to leave a stable post-war political situation, we want a union of all the free peoples of Middle-earth in this fight."

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"Makes sense." Ohmychocolate. Chocolate. She very carefully doesn't make any embarrassing noises but it's probably obvious from her expression that she's familiar with and delighted by the phenomenon. "So you want me to go around convincing people that it's a good idea, if only because magic?"

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"Some people need convincing that we won't be throwing away their soldiers' lives; some people need convincing that it won't go perfectly well if they just hide behind the nearest mountains and ignore it; some people need convincing that I personally have no influence over it." He flutters his hands in a gesture of utter innocence. "Complicating matters, there is the Doom of the Valar, that all things we begin will turn to ruin. We don't know how possible that is to work around, but just in case, if someone who definitely isn't Doomed begins this, it's likelier not to end in ruin."

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"I will be thrilled to help you evade the Doom in any way possible. What kind of time scale am I looking at?"

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"Fifteen years, by preference. I expect we'll find more nasty surprises waiting for us if it takes thirty."

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"Fifteen years." She shakes her head. "It's going to take me some time to get used to your species' timescale. I'm planning on doing Doriath first because I'd like to do it in the same trip as replacing the glass with this other stuff your brother invented, I talked with a linguistics guild and we're calling it tinkte, what can you tell me about Doriath besides 'doesn't accept refugees' and 'commits linguistic blackmail'? Neither of these facts seem like a good idea to bring up while attempting to be diplomatic."

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"The greatest of the powers that created this world are called the Valar. The lesser ones are called the Maiar. Thauron, who you met, was one of those. The Queen of Doriath is another; she met and married Doriath's King while the Elves were traveling west to go to Valinor. They have a daughter, Lúthien, who by all accounts is stunningly pretty, charming, and of course half a Maia and magically powerful in her own right, if very sheltered - the King has never let her leave. Doriath accepts Thindar refugees. They don't accept Noldorin refugees because we were on opposite sides of a great tragedy long ago, one Elu has not forgiven or, to be fair, been asked forgiveness for. They don't accept Men of any flavor because you're too unpredictable, but there's a tribe of Men - the Halethrim - that live on Elu's northwest border and seem to be on civil terms with him.

Doriath has a significant population of Dwarves, who Thingol does not like but tolerates because they outfit his army with weapons. Knowing him only secondhand, I would size him up as proud, possessive, xenophobic, but very committed to doing right by the people he regards as his own, and ruled by his temper more in the short term than in the long. Melian tempers him, but for political reasons never actually overrules him. Lúthien as far as I can discern has no political power."

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"I actually knew about Melian, in the abstract, come to think of it; before I made contact with Illia and she was worried about where I was Fingon mentioned that if I had landed in Doriath I might have a hard time leaving. If they don't let humans in because we're too unpredictable I might have a problem."

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"My expectation is that their desire to meet a major player in the suddenly rearranged battlefield of this war will outweigh their mislike for Men; if they deny you entry so be it, we tried."

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"Fair enough. Any advice on not appearing unduly influenced by you and any other Noldor?"

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"It'd help a lot if you knew anyone else. You met Finrod's vassals in Ladros; Finrod is on splendid terms with Thingol. Aiding in the defense of Dorthonion will be good. Stopping spiders, good. Visiting habitations of Men and civilizing them, at least neutral. You found us, hmm - humbled, boring, not nearly as beautiful as Thingol's kingdom - you'll be able to say that truly, by all accounts it's marvelous. They might be worried about my stability. I am a typical Noldorin lord - a little simple-minded, a little single-minded, not likely to snap and serve the Enemy and not likely to be operating independently of my uncle the King."

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"If it would help if I knew other people better I don't have to do Doriath first."

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"Nargothrond or Brithombar would both help you with Doriath. They're also both easier to navigate, so if you're mainly worried you'll make errors of inexperience it might make sense to send you there first."

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"Probably Brithombar first. I think doing it for the first time while being subtly condescended to for my species might not be the best idea."

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"I don't expect that to be a problem anywhere. The tribes of Men we've met have been nomadic and illiterate. That does not make it acceptable to treat them with condescension, but you can imagine how it results. Your society is by all accounts more advanced than ours, and you're not going to die. People might condescend to you as a very inexperienced diplomat, but they'd do that to Ereinion if he ends up in charge too - a relative of mine who's very young and in Nargothrond's succession," he adds at her expression.

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"It is possible I am getting more stuck on the fact that Finrod literally renamed someone vassal than is entirely warranted."

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"I have heard it said that it was a derogatory term Beor's people started using for him, which he decided to embrace as no insult at all."

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"That speaks much better of both of them, I think, but I admit to still being slightly concerned by the fact that both Celegorm and Fingon found the other story plausible."

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"It is not implausible. I just do not know whether it's true. My cousin Finrod has tirelessly advocated for the interests of Men even when those didn't involve fighting for him; I think his concern for their welfare is sincere, if not always constructively manifested."

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"I suppose it may not matter whether I go first to Brithombar or Nargothrond, then."

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"Entirely up to you. I can also as you see fit send someone with you."

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"If you think it would help," she shrugs.

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"That depends on what you need. Are you going to find this hard and confusing without a sounding board? Then it might be good to have someone along. Are you likelier to withdraw onto 'your side' if there are other people present who are on your side? Then might be better to go alone. Sadly the people I'd soonest send with you are ones I cannot spare from the war."

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"I think this will probably go the smoothest if I think of 'my side' as being 'me and my sister' and/or 'anyone and everyone who opposes Morgoth,' which is something I can do. I think it might be useful to have someone I can check things with before I say them so I don't accidentally trip over a cultural norm, but I don't think I'm likely to if I don't have someone."

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"I'll assign someone to escort you, then. Probably not someone you already know."

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"If I'm specifically not looking like you're influencing me too much what's the ostensible purpose of the escort?"

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"You're, I hear, soon to be the princess of a realm. Those usually travel with personal servants."

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"Well. True. But I'm not sure I want to set that precedent, because making a habit of dragging people with me everywhere I go would probably slow me down more than it would help anything. And I don't want to give the impression that I'm interested in standing on ceremony for the sake of it."

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"You can't fly as fast with a passenger? And having an attendant in a foreign environment is very much not ceremony for its own sake."

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"A single person isn't likely to literally slow me down much, but carrying someone around and then just ignoring them when it doesn't happen to be convenient for me that they're there--I'm not sure I could do that. Carrying someone isn't likely to slow me down when I'm traveling, but having someone there and incapable of leaving or for that matter refraining from falling to their deaths under their own power is likely to distract me. Not so much an issue when I'm doing things that involve staying in one place and being near the ground for a while, but."

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"All right. In that case it sounds most sensible for you to travel alone."

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"I guess having someone with me just when I'm formally visiting places wouldn't be too much precedent, except people might wonder why I haven't been bothering with it so far while I was basically camped out with you and Celegorm."

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"How would they know? It would probably raise eyebrows that you spent most of your time with us, independent of whether you had company, but no one here reports to any of my relatives."

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"I guess. If anyone asks why I'm around here so much I plan to answer that it's because it's convenient for military purposes, unless there's some problem with that I'm not seeing."

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"That should work. Keeping an eye on us is also considered legitimate reason to be over here. And some people come for the climate."

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"I like being useful but it kind of pisses me off that it makes it anyone's business but mine who my friends are."

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"The real question people are feeling for, when they ask whether you like us, is 'if someone else had a Silmaril what would you do'. It's the outcome the whole continent lives in terror of. I think Morgoth is too attached to them to try it."

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"...Okay. That's fair. Um, I'd probably ask nicely and offer magical favors and steal it if that didn't work, but I'd do that whether or not I liked you because as far as I can tell the alternative is someone dying."

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"Don't answer the question unprompted, but if it comes up I think that's an answer that wouldn't cause distress. Someone will inevitably point out to you that this means people can get you to steal things for them by swearing to kill others unless the things are acquired."

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"If someone swears to kill people if they don't acquire things in order to make me steal them then I will, instead, prevent them from killing people. I don't like being manipulated like that, and anyway unless I have been lied to the Silmarils are, in fact, yours, and anyone who gets one and refuses to give it back is withholding stolen property, which does not deserve a death sentence but also does not confer property rights."

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He smiles. "I really think you're going to do fine."

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"Thanks. I certainly hope so."

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"Are there other things you wanted to know? I hesitate to coach you too much because my relatives know me and know what me acting through you would look like, and that's not what we want and not an appearance we want to create."

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"I would never have thought of bringing an attendant if you hadn't suggested it and, on balance, still emotionally don't prefer it despite the possible usefulness, so if I do that it will pretty much be a you-coaching-me thing. Um, I still don't actually know that much about Brithombar?"

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"Under Ulmo's protection, on the continent's southern shore. Made up of people who've never been to Valinor. They would fall last, if the continent did, but I expect their main objection to an offensive is that they're not equipped or trained for it."

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"Equipment I can almost certainly do. Training less so."

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"If it doesn't make sense for them to join an offensive, then we're not trying to get them to take action that doesn't make sense."

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"Yeah."

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"So talk with them, figure out what they need and what is right for them."

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"Pretty much what I've been doing here, then. That sounds easy enough."

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"Círdan is a good man and a capable ruler. I do not expect you'd offend him."

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"I'm glad to hear it."

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"It's probably a good place to start."

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"Okay. It would probably be a decent idea to establish myself as helpful and highly magical and sometimes present before bringing up the whole union of free people thing, especially since at this point I'm not sure I understand it well enough to present it as something other than 'Maedhros and Fingon had this idea,' which seems rather counter to the point of the project."

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"Yes, I agree. Say hello, explain your capabilities, offer to do things that seem useful and interesting, explain that you'd do more useful and interesting things but the Enemy, get lots of agreement that the Enemy is pretty terrible. Any offensive will be on the King's orders, I have nothing to do with it except being a very powerful and very compliant servant of the King in this."

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"I should probably talk to Dwarves at some point, too. Especially since Dwarves apparently have chocolate." (She says this last word in Genoshan; if there's a Sindarin word she doesn't know it.)

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"You should! Though they are already on board with the offensive and tend to think that all above grounders are harmless and a little nutty. You could also meet my nephews - I have Dwarf nephews."

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"...Adopted, or...?"

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"No. Nobody knew that that worked until it did, but it turns out that it does."

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"I have so many questions and I'm not sure any of them are appropriate."

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"I can't think why they wouldn't be. Elves and Men can have children, though it's rare and in some Elven kingdoms prosecuted; I think Men and Dwarves can have children, though I don't know of any; there are creatures in nature much more varied than the children of Eru who nonetheless can bear their own children. Dwarf genes tend to win out. My brother Caranthir had a Dwarf - girlfriend? boyfriend? Dwarves don't have genders, though only some of them can have children - and eventually they realized they must have been married and not noticed."

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"I have no idea how to interpret that. 'Basically half-elf half-dwarf but significantly more dwarf-like than elf-like' answers one of my questions. Celegorm says that some of his people have had the kind of sex with humans that would normally lead to marriage and not been married by it. Do dwarves do the soul thing? When you say only some dwarves can have children do you mean that some of them can bear children and the rest have reproductive organs more traditionally associated with the male gender and they just don't do gender psychologically, or that they're all reproductive hermaphrodites and some of them are sterile? People who are not elves consider themselves married without the soul thing, do your brother and his spouse have the soul thing, is that the kind of thing you can just not notice."

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"They do not have the 'soul thing'. You definitely notice it. They decided to consider themselves married anyway because they'd been together for a century and were now expecting a child. Dwarves are biologically some male and some female but consider this as relevant to personality or social role as hair color, and much harder to tell than that, and so uninteresting; they had all sorts of creative explanations for what everyone else meant by 'gender' but 'reproductive capability' wasn't among the guesses. They all use male pronouns in languages that have genders. 

 

It was not known to me that our people sometimes have sex with humans and don't get married, that seems like a disastrously bad idea and Celegorm should tell them to stop on pain of an extended active duty rotation what are they thinking?"

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"I could nnnnot tell you. It seems like less of a stupid idea now since any given human isn't inevitably going to die in a handful of decades but kind of an insane risk before then. If your brother is married to his spouse the way non-elves get married and not the way elves get married I'm not sure why you would think that an elf and a human could get elf-married, actually. ...Do dwarves live indefinitely like elves do?"

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"Dwarves live around three hundred years." He sighs. 

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"I will visit dwarves and spread around my de-aging magic, then, they certainly sound like they get a better deal than Men and probably require de-aging less urgently but still require it."

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"I'm sure they'll appreciate it." He closes his eyes for a second. "I'm going to convey the new laws to everyone."

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Okay then. If Celegorm didn't want her to mention the thing to Maedhros he would probably have said.

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"There's a reason we have a policy of ignoring Men instead of governing them even with a very light hand. There are completely different community needs. I have no idea, for example, what happens if an Elf has children by a human woman - who supports them, whose families they're considered part of - if they're not married - there's also such a power dynamic -"

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"Those are very good points. Maybe I should look into that. If there are human women with hybrid children struggling to make ends meet, well, we're going to have a decent place to put people who need things soon. ...I have no idea if any of the local societies look enough like things I've observed or learned about in social studies classes that I can reasonably expect to predict things but naively I would expect a range from 'kicked out for bearing a bastard' to 'child is unproblematically integrated into mother's family'."

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"I also don't know, thus my distress at the idea. The Men mostly know me as the terrifying scarred general who orcs run away from, I'm not sure it'd occur to them to come here with a grievance if something happened..."

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She sighs. "No one's come to me with any such thing, either, and I've been trying to present myself as the benevolent magic person who will solve all of their problems that she can, and I haven't noticed anyone who looks significantly elfier than normal...I'm not sure there exists a delicate way to ask about it."

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"In the meantime all my subjects have been told to stop doing that. Blunt instrument, but it will achieve the intended goal."

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"Damage control," she sighs. "I wish I had picked up on the significance when it came up...your species can just choose not to have children, it's possible there aren't any hybrids wandering around as a result of this behavior, not that that was the only reason it needed to stop."

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"We can with each other. I am not sure if we can with Men. It's hardly your obligation to think through the consequences of tidbits on race relations in my territory. You can encourage your sister to consider how she'll rule in hers."

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"At a guess she's not going to outright forbid fraternization between any combination of persons based on criteria like that--instances of specific people having power over each other, like teachers and stuff, probably, but if elves have an inherent power advantage over humans in her territory I imagine she'll see that as a failing on her own part. I guess people could still perceive that imbalance as existing even if it doesn't anymore, but historically trying to forbid certain groups of people from having sex with each other has not gone over well in our world."

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"People do tend to ignore laws like that," he says agreeably. "I don't think my subjects will in this case. We don't enforce laws against homosexuality, they know I don't do this sort of thing lightly."

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"D'you have those? I got the impression that the rationale behind 'homosexuality is bad' was the Valar, and I sort of got the impression you guys care less over here about what the Valar think than your uncle and cousins do."

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"It's more that there's nothing to gain for us from compliance with the Valar's laws; they're hardly going to reembody Celegorm sooner, should he die, if he gets married and has two point six children. But cultural taboos that are several thousand years old tend to accumulate a lot of baggage that doesn't have much to do with the context in which the taboo was created."

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"Ugh, don't I know it. If your brother does die I might well be able to bring him back sooner than anyone else; he said he wouldn't go to Mandos and since reaching there is my current sticking point..."

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"If you want to stay here for a few days - we do lose people in the war, the next time one dies you could try to bring them back -"

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"It didn't sound safe to wander around long-term on this continent; Mandos is probably a bettor captor than Morgoth. If you want to tell people to stick around when and only when they're certain I'm immediately available...I could try."

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"The problem is that if you're immediately available you'll usually also have a few minutes to just heal them, very little is instantly lethal in war, and I can't ask you to wait under those conditions."

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"Immediately as defined as 'a timespan over which Morgoth is not going to get them'. I am strongly opposed to gambling someone's freedom-from-Morgoth."

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"Trust me, me too."

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"Not even a little bit surprised. If there's an interval over which someone wouldn't have time to be healed but isn't going to get grabbed I'd be perfectly willing to make the experiment."

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"Thank you. I'll keep that in mind." Dessert is served. Maedhros eats it as he ate dinner, levelly, without looking at the food, in small bites that he chews exactly twice.

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It's not really surprising.

If he thinks it's worth it for her to stick around for a few days to perform the experiment she will; otherwise she'll head to the general vicinity of Doriath even if she's not going to be doing diplomacy to replace the glass dome with tinkte so she can start building her sister's city.

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He thinks she should go ahead and do that. May your travels be more dangerous to your enemies than to you, and so forth.

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Yeah.

She stops by Celegorm and Curufin's place again on the way over to the spiders. "So your brother was expressing positive emotions and I honestly couldn't tell if they were genuine or if he was pretending."

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"Pretending. Why?"

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"Because I don't appreciate it. I don't like it when people try to pretend to me that the world is a better place than it actually is. If your brother prefers for his own reasons that I believe him to be more okay than he is, well, he's had more than enough of his preferences not being respected for the rest of eternity and I can put up with it, but I will not be more productive if he smiles at me and I don't like the idea that I will forever have to second-guess how okay or not-okay he is because I can't ever trust that his expressions of positive emotions are genuine."

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"Odette -

Most people's expressions of positive emotions are communicative. 'I'd be happy to have you' doesn't mean 'I'd experience happiness', not really. 'I was so glad to hear from you' means 'hearing from you was a positive thing' much more than 'I experienced gladness'. I sort of doubt you go around wondering whether most peoples' pleasantries are deeply felt and sincere. But Maedhros is broken, so his pleasantries are broken things, and count as lies, though they're no more dishonest than anyone else's..."

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"...Okay. If he wasn't trying to manipulate me--I mean. If he wasn't doing that to manipulate me. I don't, in principle, object to your brother manipulating me. If it wasn't specifically for my benefit that he was pretending, I'm not going to object to it."

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"I do not think that my brother uses emotional expressions any differently in terms of social purposes than anyone else uses them."

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"I gotta say, when the time comes your brother is going to improve my focus so much for killing Sauron and later Morgoth."

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"There's a lot to hate the Enemy for. Maedhros is fine."

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"Yep."

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"And doesn't owe us sadness any more than he owes the rest of the world happiness."

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"I--don't want to seem like I think he ought to feel anything in particular. If he had been doing a thing for my benefit that did not in fact benefit me then she should instead not do that. Since he was not doing that I have no reason to object to his behavior or anything."

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"When are you heading out?"

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"In the morning. It's going to take a while to replace the dome."

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"I bet. Does it take longer to generate new materials than ones that come from the surrounding area?"

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"If you mean is generating matter easier when I'm expanding a thing that already exists the answer is yes. If you mean is moving stuff around easier than generating matter the answer is also yes."

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"But like, you can just create it and then expand it, or is that harder than expanding from a non-created sample even so?"

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"Once a thing exists there's no meaningful difference between it and an identical object that wasn't created magically."

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"Alright. Have fun with it. I hope the new material is suited."

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"Your brother's pretty confident that it is!"

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"And pretty much never wrong!"

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"That's what I'm counting on!"

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The next morning, breakfast and off to the spiders.

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Right before she leaves, Odette says quietly to Celegorm, "So I've been thinking about some of the things I said last night. One of the easiest possible mistakes to make, when dealing with someone who thinks differently than you do, is to believe--consciously or subconsciously--that they have thought processes more like what you would naively expect and react accordingly. I think there might have been some of that when I was asking about whether your brother was pretending. It's a dick move and I don't like the idea that I would do that. If you catch me doing it again, will you let me know?"

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"Was I subtle about it this time?"

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"Let me rephrase that: I was being a dick without meaning to. I apologize. I appreciate you calling me out on it, and I am actively soliciting similar in the future because I am aware it is a dick move and I don't want to do it again."

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"Thanks. 

 

I like you a lot. I love my brothers. I appreciate you learning from things and telling me I can keep pointing them out and stuff, but honestly, I'd do it anyway, there's a reason no one sends me on diplomatic trips."

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"I noticed. That's one of the things I like about you. I think when I say 'keep pointing things out to me' what I'm actually trying to communicate is 'I will listen when you point things out to me,' which, frankly, doesn't go without saying."

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"No, it doesn't. Have a good trip. Keep the spiders safe and cozy."

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"Will do!"

So she hauls the tinkte she already has to the spider forest, and replaces the glass, and hauls the glass to the site of her sister's city-to-be, and gets started on building it.

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Her sister's city-to-be is within sight of the shore, and very beautiful. It's also within sight of the ruins of an abandoned Elven city.

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Of course it's beautiful. Illia designed it. And consulted Elves.

Odette makes a note in her journal to ask about the city later.

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Evening comes. The sun sets over the water.

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Odette acquires a fish from the water, checks that it's not poisonous, guts it, cooks it and eats it. She works into the night and goes to sleep in one of the finished buildings.

It takes her several more days to get the city finished.

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That is still, of course, absurdly fast for building a city.

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Well, magic is awesome. And she doesn't need to have the whole thing done right now, just the bare bones.

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Nothing disturbs her while she works.

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And then there is a city. Well. Now...she should let her sister know, and...probably talk to the refugees from Dorthonion again. she didn't specify when she would be back but she shouldn't keep them waiting too long.

She has a conversation with Illia on the way there about everything that's been happening, and eventually reaches the area where she left the refugees last. Is Andreth immediately visible, or is she going to have to look for her.

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Immediately visible; they're doing magic practice outside. Despite the admonition, people much younger than fourteen are doing it.

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Sigh. Well, she can't really criticism their priorities, under the circumstances. as long as none of them appear to be being coerced, she's not going to raise a fuss about it. She heads down to the magic practice area.

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Everyone stops and looks at her attentively.

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Okay then. "Hello. How have you been progressing?"

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"Well, thank you."

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"What have you been working on and how far have you gotten with it?"

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They demonstrate. They've done quite well given the time they had.

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Oh, good. Odette gives a few pointers as applicable, but is overall impressed. 

And eventually, when the practice ends, she asks Andreth, "Can I talk to you privately?"

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"Certainly," she says, and starts walking towards the trees. 

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Odette follows her. "I admit I don't quite know where to start. Um--I have bad news, good news, and an offer for everyone here."

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"That order seems reasonable." She's smiling.

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"Aegnor's dead. But I think that the elves' unconventional afterlife situation means I'll be able to bring him back at some point."

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"All right," she says. "I take it from that you cannot bring back Men?"

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"Not if they've been dead more than a few minutes, no."

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She nods. "And the offer for everyone here?"

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"My sister and I are founding a city. She's running it. I built it. ...She's been reading your books."

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She smiles. "Good for you. Whose city, politically speaking? In whose territory, are any of the Elves committed to defending it..."

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"Her city. In Nevrast. The area used to have Elves in it but they left. No one's committed to defending it except her and me."

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"Are you going to be doing that full-time? Because you need to sleep, and the Enemy can exploit that."

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"No one else has committed to defending it yet," she amends. "We're going to teach everyone we can magic, as well. My sister knows how to make weapons that haven't been developed here."

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"We're in."

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"Is it going to trigger any unpleasant memories if flight is involved again? I promise it's much more pleasant when I'm not in such a hurry."

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She has very sharp eyes. "I think we'll cope."

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Almost as sharp as Raikel Lehnsherr's. Gosh Odette misses her mom.

"How soon do you think it would be a good idea to leave? The buildings and walls are up, but you'd be the first people there."

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"Food? Supplies? Defenses? The Elves might be tempted to let you experience not having any of them as backup, then generously offer it in exchange for fealty."

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"Food yes, other supplies not so much but making things is mostly not that hard, defenses...not yet. Fealty is nnnnot going to happen, we can figure something else out."

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A smile. "Unless you're parked there full time, the only real safety is in numbers."

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"I can park there until I've gotten Sympathy teleportation worked out and can get back as fast as my sister can yell for me."

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"That would do it."

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"Teleportation's normally Conquest but I have really good Sympathy resistance and not that great Conquest resistance so I'm not comfortable planning to use Conquest. But Sympathy teleportation should work."

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She nods. "As long as you have a plan and some sensible contingency plans, I'll take your word for it on the magic."

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"My sister and I grew up in a world at peace. We would be absolutely thrilled to get your perspective on plans and contingency plans."

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"The Elves do not know as much as they'd like about the capabilities of their Enemy, and generally operate on a pretty reactive policy of "when something mean comes out of Angband, we'll squish it". There have been occasions of more subtle stuff - impersonators were present in a city of Men at one point, persuading us to leave the Elves to their Elf-politicking and abandon the war - and I don't think the Elves know how that happened or have a plan to prevent it."

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"I am pretty good at squishing mean things that come out of Angband. Do you know how that happened and have ideas for how to prevent it?"

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"We don't. No ideas at all. And it was long before my time so I can't piece together more now. We did react, when we learned of it, by doing the opposite of what the impersonators suggested, so perhaps he won't try that tactic again; or perhaps he's been doing it ever since, more subtly."

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"He did something similar to the Elves at one point, and that's why there's tension between two factions, I think. Do you know what the impersonators were and who they were impersonating?"

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"Yes, it's a famous story, they were impersonating an influential man named Amlach, who was one of the leaders of the dissent against Elven rule. There was a council in Estolad during which he gave a very persuasive speech arguing that the Elves had invented or exaggerated their war and the crimes of their Enemy in order to win the compliance and obedience of Men - because it is of course the necessity of Elven arms and magic that keeps civilizations of Men dependent on those of Elves - and that we should strike out on our own. Many were persuaded. Then the next morning he said he hadn't even made it to the council."

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"He was alive to do that?"

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"Seems....extremely careless, right? I have never been able to make head or tail of it."

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"Yeah. The Enemy...doesn't seem to think in ways that make sense, though. I mean. He acts like a storybook villain, basically. He literally tortures his own foot soldiers."

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"Are you sure? Why?"

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"My sister found out by magic. Apparently the Elves already knew, although I couldn't guess how. I have no idea why."

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"Elves are - odd. Their lens on the world is very storybookish. It wouldn't occur to them to wonder why, I don't think; the Enemy is evil so he does things which are evil. And so forth."

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"I can't say I really got that impression, but you've known them for longer than I have. It's also possible that different groups of them see things differently--from what I heard you mostly knew Aegnor and Finrod? And I've been dealing with Feanorians."

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"I have not met the Feanorians. They are notorious among Elves, so it is safe to guess they're a little different."

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"The impression I mostly got was that they're very good at what they do, and Celegorm was refreshingly direct and frustrated by the idea of politics. And at some point in the past they made one or several mistakes that got people killed."

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"I don't know how much it'll speed your city to compare impressions of Elves, but the one the Lord Aegnor had of them was that they held everyone in contempt and were very bad at acknowledging wrongdoing and had in fact killed a lot of people not entirely by mistake. And also had unusual-for-Elves outlooks and priorities which most people found nearly as objectionable as the first bit."

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"I didn't get much of an impression of contempt, but, hm. I don't necessarily agree with all of the rest of it but, hm, I can certainly see why he would have the impressions I disagree with?"

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"I think they are loved by their family but with a sense of - regret at the magnitude of the differential between what they are and what they could be."

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"Yeah. Remember when I said Morgoth had done something like the impersonation thing to the Elves at one point? Well, I don't know that he was actually impersonating anyone. But. He did some pretty bad damage."

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"It's hard to respect and understand Elves well enough to work with them while also having a clear enough grasp on their failings to keep yourself and your people safe. Sounds like you're managing, though. Contingency plans for attack - here's what we had in Ladros..."

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Odette listens attentively, commenting as appropriate.

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Andreth has lots to say. She mentions Aegnor and Finrod several more times, always as sources for some piece of strategic information.

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Odette can and will refrain from reading anything unnecessary into this, but at some point she does ask, "At some point after I've gotten Sympathy teleportation worked out and can be effectively on-call I'm going to talk to a lot of people about my magic and fighting Morgoth, including Finrod; should I remember you to him?"

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"M'lord King would certainly desire to know that I am alive and well," she says. "He has the opinion that the fate of Men to age and die is natural and proper, and may be distressed to learn you've changed it."

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"I have been warned as much. I find this opinion slightly less relevant to whether or not I will do so anyway than the fact that onions exist."

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"I only mean to make you aware of the reaction you can expect when you convey my deep and sincere regards to him."

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"I mean, you weren't dead when I showed up, just saying you're still alive and conveying your regards isn't going to tell him that you're going to continue to be fine for the forseeable future. I'll probably have to mention that separately."

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"All right. In any event you should tell him; it's important news."

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"You are being very calm and very polite and if you're trying to send polite signals that I'm treading on sensitive ground I'm not picking them up. I know I've been saying some things that could be sensitive and if so I apologize."

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"Hmmm? No, I just find it gets me farther to be courteous, particularly when I have disagreements but not exclusively then or it'd be less useful then. These are  my people. If there's something you needed to know I assure you I'd tell you. Lord Aegnor is not a sensitive subject; the fact people are going around whispering that he probably will be, the poor girl, might be but I have other priorities."

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"More the fact that based on what I've heard about him I disagree with Finrod about a great many things and I wasn't sure if you wanted me not to use you to tweak his nose because I can't do anything much more impolite than that without repercussions for other people. I have no particular expectations as to how you ought to feel about Aegnor--from everything I've heard, he dumped you, I don't even know how long ago probably decades? and even if you still had feelings for him I'm going to bring him back, so." She shrugs. "None of my business anyway."

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"I have a great deal of respect for both m'lord King Finrod and Lord Aegnor and do not think the King would take the news that I'm well as an insult, even a particularly restrained one. He likes me. He thinks Men are a fundamentally different category of thing, but we've managed a friendship despite that.

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"Not an insult, necessarily, just..." she shrugs. "Maybe elves and humans are fundamentally different. There do seem to be some pretty significant metaphysical differences. But the idea that that means there's anything wrong with making us more similar when the difference disadvantages one party or the other--well. If I agreed with that, I wouldn't have glowing silver eyes."

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"I did notice that. I thought you were an Elf at first, actually. Do they help you see, or just help you look like a person to them?"

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"Help me see. If I could have figured out which parts of the altered structure were necessary and which ones were cosmetic I'd probably have kept my old eye color."

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"They're very pretty, though."

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"They are. I'll probably keep them even if I do figure out how to put them back, it's not really a priority what with Morgoth needing to die so badly so by the time I get around to it I'm sure people will just be used to them this way and it won't be a complicated pro-Elf-superiority statement not to switch back."

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"Elven eyesight is in fact objectively superior. Elven lifespans, too."

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"Having to maintain one's lifespan via magic is less of a disadvantage, once it's an option."

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"Our people hold that we were always meant to be immortal, but that when we were very young the Enemy stole it from us."

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"Couldn't comment on that. If it's true and somehow someone figures out how to reverse the theft, more power to 'em, but since magic as it currently stands can hold old age off indefinitely investigating that isn't terribly high on my priority list."

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"Mine either.



Who offered your sister the city and what did they want in exchange?"

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"It was Fingon's idea. He didn't...explicitly ask for anything."

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"...implicitly?"

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"I'm not sure. You can ask Illia, later, I was flitting around in Feanorian territory at the time."

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She nods. "And you already told me how you found them. Thank you for everything."

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"People were dying. People are dying. I do what I can. It's not enough."

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"I'm not sure that means anything."

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"It means I have issues," she says dryly.

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"I hear it said that even the Elves occasionally have issues."

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"I shall refrain from violating anyone's privacy by mentioning specifics, but burning sun yes."

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She smiles broadly.

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"They've sure had a hell of a long time to accumulate them. Here's hoping I'm still functional at four hundred."

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"They don't really seem to have spent the years growing up," she says.

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"Granted."

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"I wonder sometimes if they can't. They're different than us on far more than the superficial levels. Even in five hundred years we won't be much like them."

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"People are always different from each other. If I can spend five hundred years learning a new way for people to be, I won't complain."

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"What are old mages like in your world?"

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"...The only one I've met is Atennesi Cohen, and he's--he sort of gives the impression that he's always plotting something. Something good, generally, but he plays his cards close to the chest."

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She nods. "Well, that's all right. I suppose if I were centuries old that'd be tempting."

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"Um--I know some others a bit by reputation. Jehan Sival might get along with elves on an aesthetic level, he's supposed to be mad about all kinds of art."

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Another smile. "I get along with Elves on an aesthetic level. Alien doesn't mean impossible to be friends with. People are friends with animals, and Elves are at least that much like us."

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"Celegorm can actually talk to animals, so I'm not sure if I should be revising how close to us they are, but in general most of the psychological differences I observed seemed perfectly well explained by circumstance rather than fundamental divisions."

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She nods. "Your background may also be different than ours."

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"Celebrimbor said I looked more like an Elf than a human to him because I was healthy."

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"Well, yes, that's a big part of it. And the hair - like you've never spent much time outside, or gone hungry -"

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"I spend plenty of time outside. ...Well. For a college student. I haven't ever gone hungry. What's my hair got to do with it?"

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"Should look a lot less healthy and glossy, and accordingly less Elf-like."

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"Huh. Hadn't really thought about it. Being outside a lot damages hair?"

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"Well, Elves seem to manage. For us, yes."

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"Huh. Okay. Well, I don't know what to say about being outside, but I can totally make food happen. No one has to go hungry anymore."

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"Great. We don't mind being outside. I think everyone's learned their lesson about catching the eye of Elves."

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"That kind of thing does seem...likelier to be problematic than not, at the moment. Who knows, maybe things will change in the next forever."

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"I don't think that's the problem. We're not children, we can decide what we want. The problem is that they can't themselves quite accept that, and let us."

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"That's what I meant. At one point I asked Celegorm if he was treating me differently because I was young and he said that if I had any particular complaints on that level he would try to address them and I said I had bigger things to worry about especially because I expected the issue to clear up in a few centuries. ...Possibly I should try to be more confident than I have been that magic can win this stupid fucking war before then."

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"The Lord Aegnor left because he decided he'd be wronging me, since Elves don't bear children in wartime. Which would be fair enough, except he had his brother convey this explanation, twenty years later, with the added detail that he plans on spending the rest of eternity pining for me in the Halls of Mandos.

 

I don't even particularly desire children! He could have asked!"

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"Wow. That--wow. Speaking of not growing up. That's a stunt I'd expect a seventeen year old boy to pull, back home."

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"I imagine he was terribly conflicted and the decision caused him much anguish. And I wasn't much past seventeen myself. But yes, it was rather poorly done."

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"Some people," she shakes her head. "Sometimes I wonder if drama is a basic instinct, like maternal affection or sexual attraction."

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"Elves seem to do romance very very dramatically, in particular."

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"I don't think I've seen any, so I'll take your word for it."

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"Their stories are all - 'and he saw her standing there and stood there transfixed for two hundred years while the forest grew up around them', things like that. Lots of singing."

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"The singing I can attest to. I started singing once and received unexpected harmonization; it was pretty great."

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"m'lord King has an astonishing voice even for an Elf. And their music has magic."

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"I knew that too. The magic part, I mean, not the part where Finrod was especially good at it. One of the Feanorians sang something to help with willpower while I was digging defenses right after the volcanoes blew."

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"Oh, it interacts with this magic? That's interesting. Elves will learn quickly at this, then."

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"Focus and willpower are one of the primary components of my kind of magic, so anything that affects them affects the magic."

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"These people are going to pick it up very quickly, in that case."

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"Would that there was less need."

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"We're used to the need. It's nice having options."

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"True enough. I'm more used to the options than to the need. Finding out people die of sickness here was an unpleasant surprise."

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"The Elves were unpleasantly surprised by it too. Couldn't figure it out at all. Kept attributing every death in childhood or childbirth to a curse of the Enemy."

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"Well. Now they don't have to happen anymore."

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"We are all working very hard at it. 

 

It's not on you, you know."

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"Neither is the fact that my mother's parents were killed when she was a teenager. I did tell you I have issues."

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"That was another thing m'lord King says about the Feanorians, that they like playing God."

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"They didn't seem to mind sharing, so that's all right."

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She frowns thoughtfully. "Did they send you to help us or did you think of it yourself?"

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"It was Maedhros' idea to get you away from Dorthonion. I didn't know you were there. It was my idea to show up again after that."

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"Thank you for coming."

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"I felt really bad for scaring you. And, you know, I've been teaching a lot of people magic."

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It's obvious Odette would be more comfortable with more casual conversation but it's hard to break the habit of caution and circumspection around, well, those eyes. Maybe she should try harder, in the interests of setting now the standards of the Queen's new court. "How are you choosing priorities? Where are you staying while you do?"

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"I have a rotation--kill orcs, run around human settlements teaching and healing and so on, check on the giant spiders, multiply peoples' food stores, some other things--I weigh them according to the immediate benefit of the action, the long-term benefit of the action, and how much the action helps my magic grow. Up to this point I've mostly been sleeping and eating in various Feanorian fortresses, mostly the one held by Celegorm and Curufin."

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"Who don't insist on titles, or do you have some kind of principled objection to them?"

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"Theeeey probably have titles. I'm not sure I ever learned their titles, to be honest."

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"I'm not asking because I care, I'm asking because I've never met anyone who didn't and it certainly is most easily interpreted as quite the political statement."

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"Didn't insist on titles or didn't care? Anyway, I don't, I was thinking of picking up 'Princess' since my sister's probably going to use Queen but if using titles is more political than we realized...well, I suppose it would probably be harder to get acknowledgement if we didn't at least occasionally pretend to care about that kind of thing."

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"It would be much harder. No one minds addressing people with titles, not that I've noticed. I suppose some of them are probably internally political but no one but Elves has time for that. Even now that we're all immortal."

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"Yeah." Sigh. "Politics. If people are more likely to take my sister seriously if she puts 'Queen' in front of her name--well, it's not really a sacrifice. But--enh, I feel weird about the idea of doing it because of how they'd see us."

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"If your sister's a queen, she should call herself one. Not calling herself one isn't going to suggest an unassuming humble queen, it's going to suggest someone who doesn't think she is."

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"Most countries back home are more than one city large so it feels kind of presumptuous. But, yeah."

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"The convention here is that the rulers of cities mostly call themselves Kings if their city is unusually independent and wants to emphasize it, or if they have a lot of other cities or other territory under their control. The King of Nargothrond is the latter, the King of Gondolin the former. And the Feanorians can't call themselves Kings despite controlling lots of territory, because they had a claim to the high kingship and it'd seem a reference to that."

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"That actually did come up when someone mentioned the king of Gondolin and I was confused. Back home if you have to answer to anybody--you don't get kings and a High King, you get--princes and dukes and counts and stuff, and a King."

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"I, uh, think the Elves have a much more flexible command structure than they pretend. I think in most monarchies you get in trouble if you just ignore the King, yet everyone seems to do it."

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"I think most monarchies have less drama than this one."

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"Really? It seems inherent to the structure, to me."

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"Most monarchies probably have some drama, but they have less time to accumulate the stuff."

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"We'll see what mortal monarchies are like, now that death does not even all old scores."

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"So we will. At least--well, hopefully--mortal monarchies will only have to deal with naturally-occurring drama, and not also Morgoth deliberately sowing the stuff."

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"Morgoth did a lot of deliberately sowing discord among Men, too."

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"Right. Well. Morgoth isn't an inherent feature of monarchies, and he it is I'm finding a way of abolishing the institution altogether."

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"I think I'd favor that. Men were communally governed before we met the Elves."

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"How'd that work?"

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"Well in small tribes, complicatedly in larger ones. We were nomadic. We're not anymore, and that complicates things."

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"I was asking more after the mechanism than the efficacy. Most things are more complicated when there are more people involved, I find."

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"The tribal elders debated any questions that came to their attention, and everyone was bound by the decision they reached. There were formalized procedures - I've written books on some of them, the Haladin still practice that way, and others are regrettably lost to history."

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"Magic can do past-scrying."

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"It can?" She looks enchanted. "Your historians must be the happiest people on Arda. Or not on Arda, I suppose. That's amazing. Never mind. How is that done? What specialization? Mine's Sympathy, looks like..."

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"Sympathy's easiest, but you can do it with any of the three. How far back you can get depends on how good a mage you are, and there are some complicating factors, and it's also possible to fuzz a time and place to make it harder to look at--but you're the first person I've even mentioned the possibility to, so I'd be astonished if there was anyone here putting a baffle on anything that had happened."

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"I can't wait. In that case I'll have a much more complete answer to your question someday. We lost most of our history and traditions and language on contact with the Elves."

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"You lost your language? That's terrible, I'm so sorry. ...About the rest of it too."

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"Some people still speak it. A little bit. There are still songs. But - Sindarin was more useful, and the Elves were eager to teach the children, and the Elves were better at everything."

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"How much of it is left? ...I suppose it'll be necessary to do things in Sindarin anyway, if most people don't speak what you've got. It just sort of--" she makes a face. "There are good, practical reasons to use Sindarin, now, and there are good, principled reasons not to, and abandoning pragmatism in favor of making a point would be a terrible idea, but the point remains."

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She nods. "We're working on preserving our own language, where we can. Preserving the history and customs is more important, if it lacks the symbolic punch."

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She nods. "I've been writing down everything I can think of at home, so I don't lose my culture. That's also why I'm wearing a weird style of dress, actually, this is a popular cut back home."

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"I thought it must be. The Elves don't give you a hard time about it? Or offer you extremely pretty Elven things it'd be rude to refuse? Or tell you it's inappropriate?"

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She looks down at the dark green dress she's wearing. "The Elves made this for me, actually. I mentioned that I might want to figure out how to make more clothes like the ones from home and was told that my time was more valuable than whoever they got to do it for me. I've heard that if I didn't already wear my hair in a braid they might ask me to put it up, but I do, so it hasn't been directly relevant to me."

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"Yes, to them that's like being naked. A shame. They have the softest hair and it's a delight to touch, like running your hands through the finest silk you've ever touched."

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She turns bright red. "That sounds...very pleasant."

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"Very little compares." She is grinning perhaps a little mischievously.

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Go away, mental images, you are unhelpful and unwanted!

Unwanted? Really? But wouldn't it be nice if--

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"I'll have to take your word for it."

(The scarlet hasn't faded from her cheeks one bit.)

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"You don't have to, even Elves can't get married from that. It would probably be very wise to take my word for it, though."

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"Yes," she sighs. "I'm aware."

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"Someone in particular?"

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"I'm trying to pretend I don't have a crush until it goes away. I'm pretty sure I've managed not to let anyone else know. Except my sister, but she doesn't count, for relevant purposes." She sighs again. "But yes."

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"They're - very everything."

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"He has the prettiest smile I've ever seen and when he catches me working myself harder than I ought he tells me to get enough food and sleep and when I started singing something from back home he started harmonizing and--" she shakes her head. "I know it's a terrible idea, and I don't mean that the way people mean it when they say it and then go and do it anyway, and that doesn't make my ovaries calm the hell down."

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"If he saw you as a romantic interest at all it'd be as a fascinating poetic mortal temptation, not as - not as however they see each other, and I'm not even sure they see each other healthily."

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"I know! I'm trying to pretend my feelings out of existence. I'm really not going to try anything. I would much rather he--like and respect me as a friend and a powerful mage, than see me as--well, not mortal, I'm not going to die and he knows it, but the age difference."

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"Is substantial. And does not correspond exactly to a maturity difference but certainly to an experience one.

 

 

I don't actually regret anything. I probably shouldn't tell you that, in the interests of being a good influence, but he was really attractive and it was a lovely few years and I think all of his romantic wounds were self-inflicted. I'd certainly warn someone off falling in love with them."

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"Our circumstances are rather different. He does like and respect me, from everything I've been able to tell, and I do not want to trade that in for a few delightful years, even if I had time for romance right now, which I don't."

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"Yes, that sounds very much not worth risking."

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"So please don't tell anyone about this part of the conversation. It would be embarrassing at best."

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She looks horrified. "Of course not."

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"...I didn't think you would, just, better safe than sorry."

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"Odette, I want to help you establish a well-respected human kingdom. There is absolutely no chance I'll share anything that would derail that project. Except, I guess, reminiscence about hair, but I can stop that too."

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"Reminiscing about hair to me is not going to derail anything. I don't know enough about the political landscape to know if reminiscing to anyone else would--and, to be honest, I hadn't even thought of political ramifications when I asked you not to mention it, just personal ones."

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"Oh, is he important? That's additional reason not to, then, you're important and the Elves do do political marriages.  I personally tell my business to every young girl I meet who I think would benefit from hearing 'if he's really pretty and you want him, have some fun' which is not all of them but isn't none. And I wouldn't share theirs or yours."

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"He's important. I like your style of advice."

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"The Elves tried teaching us how they see all that, too, but Men are just too different from Elves for it to have really stuck."

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"I'm pretty sure it's garbage in their case, too, but they have the 'if you have penetrative sex with a member of the opposite gender then your souls will be stuck together forever' thing, so advocating caution is reasonable. Not that I'd tell them to their faces that I think it's garbage."

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"The no unintended pregnancies is pretty nice."

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"Apparently they don't menstruate, the lucky bastards."

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She giggles. "Nope. Though pregnancy is a year; that'd be pretty bad. And the children take fifty to grow up! I'd go mad when I had a forty-year-old teenager."

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"I'd rather deal with a third again as long pregnancy than some things," she shrugs. "And, I don't know, a lot of people complain that their children grow up way too fast. Out of all the worrisome features of Elves those are not my least favorite."

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"No one's sure if they soul-bond with us."

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"Do you mean no one's sure if it happens automatically or if it can happen at all, because according to Celegorm there exist Elves who have had appropriate kinds of sex with Men and not had the soul thing happen."

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"...that's the bit I was unsure of. Aegnor was quite certain it'd happen if he desired it. Are there really?"

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"Apparently!"

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"Hmm. In that case, it seems Elf/mortal relationships would have voluntary soul bonding. That's something."

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"How was he so sure he could do it?"

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"He wasn't sure it wouldn't happen automatically. But if we did the Elven wedding ritual and said vows before Eru he was very sure it would work. He knew the Valar, growing up, I assumed he'd know that sort of thing."

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"The Valar decided to Doom people who were going to fight Morgoth to have everything they tried to do right end in tragedy, so I don't have a lot of respect for their priorities, but I grant that I haven't heard reason to doubt their competence within their domains."

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"It hadn't occurred to me to worry too much about the soul bonding. There are other things you can do in bed and men can stand to have a terribly strong incentive to learn those. And I think the Valar probably are competent within their domains; Lord Aegnor thought highly of them."

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"Oh, I know; I wouldn't be married if I was an Elf, and I've never been afraid of having fun. The Valar--well, I haven't met them, despite the glowiness of my eyes. I'm not shy of forming my own opinions based on what I hear but of course I haven't heard everything."

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"They should have taken care of the war themselves. Lord Aegnor thinks it might have destroyed the world if they had. But."

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"But if they decided that it was too risky to go themselves then they shouldn't have cursed the people who did to inevitable failure. Blessed sun I thank that I have extreme amounts of magic and a human soul!"

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"I never got the whole story on that, I really can't say."

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"It would require some pretty absurd context to justify it."

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"Everyone else regards the House of Fëanor as, well, at best a little better than the Enemy."

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"I understand that people have good reasons to feel that way," Odette says with deliberate neutrality.

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"And I don't know how Dooms operate. Might not change the outcome of the war, just the effects of it for them."

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"You know the Doom doesn't just apply to the House of Feanor, right? And that would be the most defensible interpretation, but--do you know the actual words?"

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"Nope. Something like a state secret, I think."

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"Huh. They never said not to share it."

Hey, Celegorm, she sends (Sympathy range extension is so convenient), Andreth thinks the terms of the Doom are something like a state secret, is she right?

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We don't want to scare off literally all our allies.

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So I should stop bitching about the Valar's priorities and using that as my primary example?

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It's a discretion call. Yours. I trust your judgement. But, yeah, it's not widely known. Don't give a speech about it.

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I shall find some other example if I need to complain to random strangers.

"So it's not exactly a state secret, turns out, but it's not the sort of thing they prefer to spread around casually."

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"I kind of want to meet them, if it can be arranged."

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"The Feanorians?"

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"Yes."

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"I could take you with, next time...ooh, hang on, I just had a thought."

Maedhros? When last we spoke the idea was floated that I should bring someone with me when I went places for assorted political benefits. Haven't suggested it to her yet, but how would Andreth do for that purpose?

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That's a lovely idea. I think she would serve you very well in that capacity.

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"So at some point after I work out Sympathy teleportation I'm going to run around a bunch of Elven places I haven't been--I think I mentioned this earlier, primarily regarding Finrod--but I don't really know that much about politics around here and I have  zero experience with diplomacy. How do you feel about being brought places sometimes and giving me surreptitious advice?"

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"I'd be delighted."

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"Great. That will definitely see you meeting Feanorians sooner rather than later. ...Still not until I've got the teleportation down, though."

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"Flight is too slow? Or are you worried about risks in midair?"

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"I'm worried about leaving you guys and my sister unprotected?"

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She nods. "We grew up in the shadow of Angband, we aren't expecting constant supervision. But that makes sense."

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"I'm not planning on constant supervision, but I'd prefer to be on-call if something comes up."

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"Long-distance communication would also be very valuable, then."

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"Oh, I didn't just copy the eyes. The telepathy too. And it's possible to extend its range by magic."

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"...are you reading us right now?"

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"What? No!"

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"I mean, you have leave, I just hadn't realized it was a possibility."

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"I wouldn't do that without asking first."

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"Elves don't tend to share that scruple."

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"Elves didn't grow up on a taboo about using mind magic on other people."

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"And aren't sure we're people anyway. But yes."

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"I'm not sure if the elves you've met and the elves I've met have different opinions or if I've been treated more like a person because magic but either way your frequent assertions that elves think they're more people than we are worry me."

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"I like Elves fine but every one I've met considers them to be much more people than we are. It's also the justification for using us in the war - we die anyway, our lives matter less..."

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"And now ironically it matters less if they die because I can't bring back humans as easily. Well, the Feanorians haven't been using humans in battle, and they're who I've been hanging out with the most."

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"The secondhand account of the Feanorian position on Men is that we're not competent enough to be useful or interesting."

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"That's not what they told me."

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"I imagine not. And it wasn't told to me by people fond of them, though the speakers also didn't regard it as an insulting or damaging piece of information to relay."

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"Given all relevant circumstances I'm more inclined to take their word for it than their cousins'."

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"It sounds like they've worked quite hard to earn your trust, which wouldn't be meaningful in itself except that most Elves wouldn't even know how to not be condescending to Men."

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"Maedhros outright stated that the fact that local humans were illiterate and nomadic wasn't justification to be condescending to them but that it was entirely predictable that it happened anyway. I can't rule out entirely that he was only saying that to manipulate me but it seems unlikely."

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"No, that seems reasonable and sincere. If he were trying to impress you I'd expect him to have denied that it occurred."

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"Frankly given the tactics of the various groups of elves concerning treatment of nearby humans I think you got the most condescending bunch."

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"They did teach us a great deal. People frequently immigrated to Ladros from Estolad, which is in Feanorian territory."

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"Condescension can coexist with more positive features."

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"And it did, with many of them. I have the highest respect for the Elves I've known."

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"I think I'm glad I landed near Himring and not Nargothrond, when I first came here. I wouldn't have taken well to being condescended to."

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"I think m'lord King, judging by how well he gets along with Thingol and Melian and got along with the Valar in Valinor, does not condescend to powerful people."

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"I'll have to take your word for it until I meet him."

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"And I'll have to take yours on whether your Elves condescend to the less powerful."

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"Yep. Guess I'll have to work as hard as I can on teleportation so both of us don't have to take each others' words longer than necessary."

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"How long do you think it might take?"

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"I'm not sure. I was working on it a little at home, and I'm much better at Sympathy than Conquest and I can do Conquest teleportation, but I was working on a lot of things at home and none of it was a matter of life and death like it is here. It might take months if I'm unlucky."

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"As far as the Elves are concerned that's very immediate."

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"I know, it's ridiculous."

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"They sat there besieging Angband for four hundred years, and weren't decided if it was time to attack it."

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"To be fair I can sort of understand why one would be spooked about Angband but still."

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"I don't think they'd have won. But still, four hundred years is a long time to just wait and hope a magician drops out of the sky."

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"I'd be flattered if I thought they were expecting me. I don't know what in partcular they were thinking, tactically--my knowledge of military strategy boils down to 'so apparently I can kill balrogs and dragons'."

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"M'lord King expected that we would lose and all be killed."

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"That's not going to happen," she says firmly. "Whether it would have happened if my sister and I hadn't shown up I can't comment on."

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"Nor can I, but I think his assessment was warranted."

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"It's kind of weird that I'm actually really glad someone tried to murder me but if I hadn't fled in a panic I wouldn't have ended up here, so."

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"...you're going to have to tell me more of that story. Someone tried to murder you? Who were you back home, how did you learn all this magic?"

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"Oh, yeah, I haven't actually told you very much about this stuff. So I grew up in Genosha, which is basically a city centered on a university for magic. Most mages are, you know, limited in how much magic they do by the mental side-effects and the fact that it hurts. But--resistances vary, and people who have really high resistance to at least one of the kinds of mental side-effect and also a good way of dealing with large amounts of pain can do nigh-arbitrary magic and are called Great Mages once they get strong enough. I have a really fantastic Sympathy resistance and--mind magic leaves you open to way, way stronger side effects, don't use mind magic unless you have a really fantastic resistance or need to do something to your brain badly enough to completely remodel it. Anyway I do have a really fantastic resistance and I installed masochism and I'm going to be a Great Mage and I was attending the university and one of my teachers who doesn't think anyone should have as much power as a Great Mage does decided to try to kill me before I got that far and my sister because she was a witness. I grabbed her and teleported away blindly and ended up near Himring. She ended up somewhere in the general vicinity of Fin--Prince Fingon, I guess."

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"Does teleportation generally have that much spread?"

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"Not generally, but to the best of my knowledge the fact that we landed in what appears to be a completely different universe is totally unprecedented, so it's possible there's some interaction there."

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"Are there Elves on your world?"

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"No sapient species whatsoever save humans."

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"Sounds rather nice, in many ways. And - you still did fine, invented magic and complicated cities and your own laws."

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"Of course we did."

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"A lot of people seem to think that Men wouldn't, left to their own devices. Just wallow in the mud dying prematurely."

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"That's ridiculous. I will grant that Elves seem to have achieved a great deal more per generation, considering how long their generations are, but still. Humans adapt beautifully."

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"And they didn't have to worry about food and shelter and safety, when they were inventing all their nice things. No one invited us to the garden of the gods."

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"You have to survive before you can thrive," she nods. "I don't think an elf child would have much advantage if any over a human child if both were born in Genosha."

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"I think per-year they achieve less. They just get more years than we."

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"Yeah. Hey, do you want to see some stuff we've built? Elf telepathy can totally do that, and it doesn't hurt at all, it's awfully convenient."

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She grins. "I'd love to."

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Odette shows her the Great Pyramids of Egypt, the Step Pyramids of the Aztecs, the Shinto temples of Nihon and the Wall of Zhongguo. She calls to mind the great palaces of European and African kings and Hindi Rajas. Every time she thinks of an interesting bit of architecture she imagines it and pushes it as crisply as she can.

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She is delighted. "Oh, it's marvelous. Someday we shall have to figure out how to travel between worlds without a Great Mage ferrying."

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"Obviously things not done by Great Mages is nnnot my area of study, but I look forward to seeing how it's done."

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"Are most of those buildings palaces and music halls of various types? Those are the nicest buildings in any of the Elven cities..."

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"The pointy pyramids were tombs, and the stepped pyramids and the things with the red gates and the stairs and some of the other ones were temples, and the really long wall was a military fortification, and a couple were universities, but yeah there were a bunch of palaces in there. I don't think any of them were music halls."

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"...why would you build something that big as a tomb?"

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"Weird afterlife beliefs."

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"There's an afterlife for Men in your world?"

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"No one's been able to prove one but we have a wide variety of religions, most of which claim to provide one."

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"Huh. Do you think any of them are true?"

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"I was raised in one, so, you know, there's a level on which I think if any of them are true it's that one, but I'm not going to go around claiming it's true because I have no actual evidence."

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She nods. "I have seen no evidence that the Eru the Elves believe in exists, either."

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"I think the fact that the Valar demonstrably exist is at least weak evidence in that direction."

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"If you were a very powerful entity 'educating' the first species on a planet, and you were as self-serving as the Valar seem, are you sure you wouldn't claim that the creator of the universe sent you as his deputies?"

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"I did say weak evidence."

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"The Elves have never seen or spoken to him."

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"Yeah, I'm not at all sure that it matters whether he exists or not."

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"Well. Changes whether Men here get an afterlife."

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"Matters for practical purposes," she amends. "If he exists but doesn't do anything to prove it then as far as we can act on it's the same as if he didn't."

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"Yes, agreed."

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"I hope resurrecting human dead can be done."

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"No one's ever done it?"

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"Sssort of. The record for how long anyone's been able to get someone back after they've been dead is just under an hour."

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"Well, that's something, means it can be done at all."

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"The problem, really, is that it takes centuries to get that far. What worries me is the possibility that no one who's already dead now could come back."

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She nods. "We've been assuming that they cannot."

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"And that's a problem and I want to figure out how to fix it and it concerns me somewhat."

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"It's a good aim. It'd be wonderful if it were possible."

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"I expect it to take a very long time, if it is."

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"Well, once the war's over we'll have that."

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"Yeah. Lots of stuff that's waiting on the end of the war."

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"It's been a pleasure talking with you, Odette. I'd be delighted to accompany you on any project where I'd be of assistance."

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"Thanks. Uh, to whatever extent you may feel obligated to say that by the current political situation--I'm not saying you are, just that it would be a reasonable thing to do--anyway if you don't actually want to do any given thing please don't feel like you can't say it."

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"Understood." She smiles. "Very much. Good day and safe travels, Odette."

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"Should I give your people time to--get packed and things?"

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"Yes, definitely. Packed and food gathered and - you know, just warned about things. And it's probably worth thinking about how the city'll be defended, too, if you don't want to be glued to it."

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"I think that particular ball is mostly in Illia's court, but yes."

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"I expect she's getting well-advised on it. The Elves do know a lot about that."

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"They've been very helpful. I think they may be more interested in staying on our-particularly-my good side rather than extracting specific things from us."

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"Well, I wouldn't be complaining."

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"It's working."

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"They're on your good side? You know, I'd be so tempted to abuse that - just a little - just ask to touch someone's hair -"

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Odette makes a slightly squeaky noise. "You--I--that would be massively--you're doing this on purpose!"

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"I'm sorry," she says, "I'm sorry, you've been spending all your time with important serious Elves and it's totally unfair to tease you."

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Odette starts laughing. "You flustered me. You startled me! I'm fine. I like you. ...And I like that I've gotten you comfortable enough around me to tease."

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"You have good priorities here and a good path forwards. And you're not going to try to be adopted as an honorary Elf. And you're working on building a kingdom of Men. I am very comfortable around you, Odette."

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"Given my sister's opinion on your books I'm flattered by your opinion of me."

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"Oh, I could write better now that my eyesight's not failing and I have more time."

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"I look forward to it. ...Oh, hey, you're going to love the printing press."

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She does in fact, once it is explained, love the printing press. She hugs Odette. She might be crying just a little.

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Odette hugs back. "We're going to be great. We're going to do so much--we're going to move at a human pace--we're going to have two worlds to build on."

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"You have no idea how much human pacing is going to mess up Beleriand."

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"I look forward to it."

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"Me too. It'll probably take a little while to have everyone packed to fly away, what's your schedule like for that?"

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"I don't usually operate on a fixed schedule. If you let me know how long you expect to be I can be back then."

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"A week? I'd expect security at the other end to be more of a holdup but people will want to harvest a lot of food if we're moving."

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"The city's been built, and I am security until something better gets set up, so."

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"And you're willing to stay there until it does?"

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"I thought that was what we decided?"

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"I'm just worried about a scenario where, say, another dragon attacks your favorite Elves and you can't leave because the city's defenseless."

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"I see your point. I'll talk to my sister about it." She closes her eyes and tilts her head. "She says her plans inasfar as they currently exist involve the creation of weapons as yet undeveloped in Beleriand, training everyone possible with them, and as many mages as we can educate in a given span of time."

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She grins. "Lovely. Tell your sister I'm honored to apparently soon be becoming one of her subjects."

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"She says it's reciprocal," she replies after a moment.

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"And to make that day sooner, I should probably get to work. Thank you, Odette. It's my honor and pleasure, my lady Queen Illia." She smiles. Runs a hand through her hair, winks. And starts walking back towards the crowd.

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Well, that certainly went well. 

Odette spends the next couple of hours attempting to finagle Sympathy teleportation, and then goes to kill some more orcs, and then zips back to Celegorm and Curufin's fortress to spend the night.

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"Hey! House of Beor eager to join your sister's city?"

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"Wait, what? House of who?"

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"That's what the people you rescued from Ladros are called, the House of Beor."

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"I am so glad I didn't bring him up when I was bitching about things, then."

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"Really good decision, yes, he's their great-grandfather. I'm sorry, I know all these important politics things but I can't bring myself to actually remember that they matter and share them so people can make good impressions and so forth. What things were you bitching about?"

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"The Valar? Her ex-boyfriend's terrible life choices? The chronic inability of mages to raise human dead? I don't even know if I remember everything..."

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"Oh, you were talking to Andreth! Lovely! I mean, not that I've met her, but I've heard wholly complimentary things, and from a variety of people who don't usually have the same taste."

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"You can add me to the list, she was fantastic."

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"Lovely. She'll complement you and your sister well, I think, in terms of skills required to run a kingdom."

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"Seems like it! I am so, so glad I got to her in time."

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"I'm impressed with Nelyo, seeing that disaster, knowing how many people we'd lost, having just met you and not having you planned into any of our contingencies, and thinking - oh, I have about five minutes to get Odette to rescue everyone in Dorthonion, let's do that first."

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"Your brother is amazing. You're amazing. Andreth's amazing. I'm not sure I've actually met any non-amazing people in this world yet."

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"Time to send you to Doriath!" 

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She bursts out laughing. "Why are you so great, it's problematic, I'll probably meet perfectly nice people in Doriath and not think as highly of them because I've gone and gotten used to a higher standard." This is not the only reason it's arguably problematic that he's so great but he doesn't need to know that.

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"Or maybe your teleportation spell actually just dumped you on top of the best people in Arda. They do do that, you know, it's looking like Conquest will be my strong area so I'm totally the expert here."

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"Huh, really? I'd've pegged you for Effort, to be honest." She shrugs. "Of course, most people mistake me for a Conquest specialist. It's really not always obvious. Are you going more by talent or resistance?"

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"Talent. I seem to have decent resistance to Sympathy but I'm definitely weakest at it, and that'd drive me nuts if I were trying to practice."

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"Okay. Be careful, though, my mother had a strong talent for Conquest but shit resistance and one thing led to another and now she doesn't do magic at all. And by 'one thing led to another' do you remember that one time I told you that I had very good reason to sympathize with 'there totally exist people with good reason to hate my parent and I love them anyway'? That."

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"I will take that very seriously, thank you."

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"Dad was the same way for Sympathy but obviously this had less dramatic failure modes. Anyway, keep up with meditation or other exercises that do the same thing and don't get sucked into a vengeance quest and you'll probably be fine. ...On the other hand you're Doomed, so, yeah, care is the word of the day."

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"You can use Oaths to modify your personality, prevent certain failings. It's ridiculously dangerous, though."

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"Eesh, I can imagine."

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"Like, 'I swear never to be swiftly angered' will literally do that, you won't get impulsively angry - but you're really playing with fire."

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"Yeah, there are really good reasons behind the taboo on doing mind magic to people other than yourself, even if you have their consent. Similar principle, I'm guessing."

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"Oaths are - no one would do it, but they're incredibly easy to abuse. You could demand an oath of fealty from someone that demanded they take your ends as their own and your cares in their heart and that's - it, they'd just want whatever you wanted, from then forward."

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"I am so incredibly glad I'm human."

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"Yeah, when it doesn't come with the death it seems like a pretty clear win. I will maintain that we are generally prettier. Totally worth the horrible fates and the lack of free will."

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"You are indeed very pretty, but I'm pretty sure magic could close that gap too if we really wanted to." She taps a finger beside her copy of his silver-glowing eyes.

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"Can you grow hair long with magic? Back in Tirion that's all any of us would have used it for." He would definitely comment that she doesn't need magic but that'd be out of line, she's twenty-one and there's a war on.

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"What, really? That wouldn't even be hard. Way easier than re-growing your brother's hand." She touches her temple and grows her hair a couple of inches to demonstrate, incidentally causing her braid to hang looser than its customary plaited-tight-to-the-scalp.

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He is possibly blushing a little. "That's amazing. And, yes, would once have been peoples' favored use of magic, we're a little vain about that sort of thing." Canyourebraiditwithmagicyoushouldprobablydothat - no, he's not a child - "yours is very pretty, is that magic or did you grow it out?"

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Is he--

"I don't usually do magic to my hair. A little bit, sometimes, smoothing out split ends and stuff;"

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"Well. It's a pretty neat use of it. Regrettably no one will ever be able to ask you to do it for them."

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"Right, because it's--intimate."

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"I don't know what's analogous in your society - perhaps being naked? If there's a reason, then it's fine, but you wouldn't suggest it to a friend as a nice recreational activity. Which is a shame, it's a delightful one."

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"Nudity in the presence of others is usually but not always sexual, for assorted cultural reasons. It sticks harder on some people than others. Illia's genuinely embarrassed by it, but I don't really care outside of context."

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"And I have in fact engaged in lots of definitely platonic hairpetting, but it's good to know the principle so you don't accidentally offer it to someone in an awkward context.'

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"Andreth says elf hair is pleasanter to touch than human hair."

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"I suppose she would know, wouldn't she? Elf hair's probably pleasanter to touch than human-who's-been-malnourished-and-living-in-a-warzone-hair, I have no idea if between an healthy Elf and a healthy human there'd even be any difference - I'm not actually sure how much of the differences in appearance is just that, we didn't grow up hungry - and it might be that if you liked ours better you could tweak it. Seeing as you can apparently do whatever you want."

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"I can absolutely do what I want. But I'm pretty much restraining myself to copying traits from your species that have unambiguous practical benefit, since most of the point of Beth Miqlat--Illia finally named it, means 'house of refuge' in Hebrew--is the fact that Illia and I are human."

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"Beth Miqlat," he says, "she did well, that's beautiful."

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"My sister is not an elf, and could cope perfectly well without, but she does like beautiful things very much. I copied your eyes at her urging--she did the same with Fingon, first, and spent hours staring at the new colors."

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"The eyes are also an obvious strategic edge. If you can see Thauron coming that much faster, you have that much more time to do something. Hair would be purely cosmetic, and though personally the amount I'm willing to change how I want to look for political and symbolic reasons is 'none' I'm sure Maedhros will nod approvingly at you and possibly suggest other ways you can do design and titles and procedures to emphasize mortal-ness."

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"Well in my case it's refraining from changing, which is much easier. The eyes took some getting used to. So far the most obvious thing I can think of that I've been doing in terms of emphasizing species is wearing clothes based on designs from home, but then we don't exactly have titles and procedures yet."

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"That'd do it. Maybe also hairstyles, jewelry, a crown if you're going to wear one -" he shrugs. "I hated the court in Tirion and when Father was dead and Maedhros missing and Maglor had the crown I checked on him regularly, terrified he'd choke on his dinner and the bloody thing would fall to me. I'm really not the person to ask."

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"I've been wearing my hair like this since I was six, so that's not an issue. Crown I think we already talked about in passing. Jewelry--I'll leave that to Illia. I don't think I'm likely to get into melee for someone to choke me by a necklace but that doesn't mean I ought to risk it."

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"Magic jewelry can all be in the form of rings, I guess."

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"Magic jewelry would be another issue," she acknowledges. "The tradeoff I'm willing to make for pretty and the tradeoff I'm willing to make for magic are not the same."

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"That's itself pretty strong proof you're not an Elf."

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"True enough."

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"Anyhow, there's really nothing to improve on. I think you'll make a fabulous symbolic human princess. Have you eaten dinner?'

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"Nah, I missed you prodding me into it while I was away."

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"Dinner. Who's going to prod you when you've moved to Illia's city?"

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"Illia, of course."

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"Won't be busy Queen-ing? It settled on my family members' shoulders pretty hard."

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"We're pretty good at fitting taking care of each other into busy schedules. And we have less inherited drama to deal with."

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"That you do."

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"Oh, hell, people are going to try to pressure her into getting married and having kids, aren't they, so there's an heir. Well. I guess technically I'm her heir if anything happens. ...If anything happens I think I plan to appoint Andreth or someone my regent and run away screaming. Not literally screaming. That would be terrible for morale."

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"Elves at least will not pressure her about that during the war. It's not unheard of to establish a line of succession that's not parent-to-child, especially with all of the obvious candidates childless. If we lost both the High King and Fingon the succession'd be rather disastrously up for grabs, but no one's suggested to him that he marry, I don't think."

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"I was less worried about Elves than residents in that particular respect."

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"The House of Beor has an established succession and lots of children. Illia can appoint the ones who strike her as most capable. Though the people who were in charge there before the volcanic eruption will be twice her age, I suppose some of them might resent the position..."

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"Her problem," Odette says firmly. "Her problem, not mine, I have enough politics to deal with talking to your species."

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"Hey! I resent that implication! Saying 'immediately stop talking or I'll light something on fire' to anyone who even mentions politics is a quite successful strategy for dealing with my family, I successfully did it for centuries."

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"...I'm afraid that if I did that people might mis-estimate the magnitude of the fire under discussion or I'd be tempted."

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"There's a kind of flexibility that comes with not actually being the most powerful person in the room, yeah. Thus me being terrified Maglor'd get himself killed and leave me King."

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"For that among other reasons I'm glad that situation didn't last."

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"Yeah, five years of that was enough for a lifetime."

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"Nothing like that is ever going to happen again if I have anything to say about it."

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"Saving everyone isn't your priority; getting stronger so you can eventually win this thing is. It's at this point absurdly implausible I'd end up in charge of the Noldor but if I did, it would not be a good priority for you."

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"I meant 'people getting taken alive by Morgoth,' not 'you getting caught in the line of fire, I mean succession'."

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"People don't get taken alive by Morgoth anymore. Maedhros has everyone carrying very fast-acting poison."

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"That makes sense."

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"Yep. When's the House of Beor moving?"

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"About a week."

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"Congratulations. We'll miss you. Your new armor should be done by then."

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"Thanks. ...I'll still visit."

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"We'll still be here."

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"Andreth's looking forward to meeting you."

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"Oh? Delighted to meet her too, of course, but when's that happening?"

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"She agreed to let me cart her around for impromptu diplomatic advice. So probably not too long after everyone gets settled. Not that I think I need diplomatic advice with you."

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"I'd kind of expect it to be counterproductive. But I'd love to meet Andreth and you should have friends who can travel with you, that's a good idea."

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"I have no intention of listening to diplomatic advice about you if it's offered. And--yeah, definitely."

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"You should get some sleep, it's late."

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"...Yeah. Good night."

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He goes and finds Curufin. "They're founding a kingdom of mortals in Nevrast."

"Okay."

"I'm telling you because you should ask her about the languages now, there won't be time later. And because the armor needs to be done in a week."

"Okay."

"When did you last eat?"

He doesn't remember. They eat. 

"You," says Curufin, "are obviously not busy enough."

"Holding down the fort isn't really a full-time job until suddenly it is. I'm too busy to go to Nevrast, though."

"That is not what I was going to suggest."

"What were you going to suggest?"

"She's not Irissë."

"I have not mistaken her for Irissë." He stands. "I am going to bed."

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In the morning Odette's eyes flutter open before anyone comes to wake her. She notices something. She bolts for the washroom (she was pleasantly surprised by the modernity of their plumbing). After she's--dealt with things--she decides there's no point in trying to get a little more sleep, and heads down to breakfast, vaguely irritated and, to noses keener than a humans, smelling slightly of blood.

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"Are you all right?"

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"Huh? Yeah, why?"

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"Did you cut yourself or something?"

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"Nnnnnooooo..." she says slowly, suspicion beginning to dawn.

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"Bloody your nose in a fight with the bed? I've done that. It's drier here than back in Valinor."

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"No. I don't know if I want to know how you can tell I've been in--excess contact with blood--but. Um. Do you...remember when we were talking about the relative merits of elf and human soul-body relationships? And I...mentioned human fertility had gross side effects?

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"I do."

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"This is that."

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"At this point I'm mostly surprised there's not magic to fix it. There you go, another unambiguous Elven advantage. I was feeling pretty sad about having nothing more than 'we're usually prettier' to cling to."

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"If I didn't have magic I would have been bleeding for five days. I could probably figure out something better but it's not really a priority right now."

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"Kay. Plan for today?"

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"The usual, probably. Maybe inviting more people to come live in my sister's city, if that seems appropriate."

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"The people in Estolad? That's a good idea. I bet they'd be interested."

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"At least I probably won't be at risk of insulting any of their ancestors."

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"Were you going to insult Beor? I don't think he did anything wrong - under the circumstances I'd certainly have done the same -"

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"I think expressing the opinion that there was something wrong with Finrod for asking him to take that name counts as an insult, if only a tangential one."

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"Sure, that I'll grant you. Estolad's technically my territory, I don't think anyone there has grievances with Elves and if they do you're free to roundly condemn said Elves. Definitely no name changes."

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"Well, I don't think I'm likely to have reason to say anything bad about you, but--you prooobably heard the rule Maedhros instituted while I was talking to him about diplomacy stuff."

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"I did."

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"He raised good points as to the reasons for it. I'm going to keep a sharper eye out--although it does occur to me that you probably know more about that situation than he does, given that he didn't even know humans could have extramarital heterosexual intercourse."

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"He's rather singleminded about the war and also doesn't really realize that 'five hundred years of chastity, there's a war on' isn't workable for most people. I don't think there've been problems - unless you count people trading sex for favors and money as a problem, but it seems like the solution to that is to give them more favors and money, not to get them in trouble for trading for them."

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"Prostitution is known as the oldest profession, in my world. The other thing he didn't know that you might, besides whether anyone was in fact being coercive, was whether your failing-to-have-children abilities work when not both parties are elves or if I should be keeping an eye out for hybrid children running around. I know your species' policy on children in wartime and I don't say this meaning to accuse anyone of--negligence, or something, but it seemed important enough to ask."

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"I have not heard of anything like that happening, and cannot imagine anyone finding themself with child who wouldn't marry the other parent right away, human or no."

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"If your people are seeing prostitutes they wouldn't necessarily know," she points out. "Sometimes prostitutes get pregnant. Figuring out who the father is is usually non-trivial, if anyone even bothers."

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"In that case looking into that would be a very valuable use of time. I should probably go too, actually."

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"I should probably check first by myself. I can do it by magic and when people with more power go among people with less power demanding answers this can be scary. I don't know if it would be in this case, since I'm not familiar with the relevant relations, but." She shrugs. "...Also, um, it's not invariable that humans would want to get married just because a pregnancy had occurred; I'm not familiar enough with local cultures to know if there's significant bastardy stigma to pressure them into it, but..."

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"Elven children suffer spiritually, emotionally, and physically - some of them even die - if both parents aren't present for all of pregnancy. If one of the humans didn't want to, what I'd expect would be a panicked Elf showing up at my doorstep begging me to figure out how to persuade them."

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"You can hang around without being married. And who knows if half-elves would have the human soul thing or the elven soul thing; I'm not sure how you'd even go about hybridizing that."

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"No idea. The people who might make that kind of mistake wouldn't know either, though. Anyway, do check. Obviously if there are children with Elven parents we'll take their parents off combat duty and send them south to somewhere safe and pay expenses and so forth."

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"Yeah, noted."

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"Idiots. Hypothetically. Hopefully hasn't even come up. But if it were to."

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"And that would be why your brother thought it worthwhile instituting a new rule. Anyway, I think I'm going to spend the morning killing orcs and check that out this afternoon. Can I get something portable so I don't have to stop back here in between for lunch?"

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"Definitely." And he sends her off with a sandwich and several bags of snacks and baked goods.

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And Odette spends the morning on boring, yet horrifying, yet necessary military activities, bolts down most of the packed food, and heads to Estolad.

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Estolad remembers her; some of them are making progress on magic.

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Oh good. She can help them with that. And make it known that Beth Miqlat exists and people are welcome to move there if they want and if they do so want then magical assistance can be rendered getting them there.

And, discretely, pokes around with magic. Does anyone have magically obvious elfy traits?

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There are in fact a couple of stunningly pretty, stunningly healthy, bit-small-for-their age kids which her magic notices as a little different.

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Hoo boy.

Well, at least the fact that they're remarkably healthy means the worst of Celegorm's fears were unfounded, right?

...She discretely checks for particularly unhealthy children.

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There are some of those, too, but they don't seem magic.

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Well, she can fix them just the same, children should not have to suffer from ill health.

Andreth, she sends via boosted osanwe, what do you know about Estolad?

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Everyone lived there for a time, then the King moved our people north and the High King moved his people west and now it's just those who didn't want to go.

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But nothing about how to delicately ask after suspected half-elven children.

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Oh no. The Elves are - they have laws about that sort of thing, usually - the Men won't take the question as as much of an insult. Unless the person is married, obviously. There's not enough food, people mostly wouldn't try having a child alone...

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Well, up here there isn't a lot of official contact, so there weren't laws. There are now.

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Good. The Elves are remarkably law-abiding, that'll work better than you're probably expecting. I'd join the family for a meal, compliment the children's wit and strength and health and so forth, see if there's an opening to ask if the family's doing all right financially, don't bother saying that the Elves will pay for the child because I can't imagine they don't know that and they might have a good reason for not having tried.

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Celegorm says that anyone who finds out that they've gotten a human pregnant is going to try to marry the mother. I have no idea if that is in any way a good idea.

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Bad idea. Though I guess in some ways less of one now that Men won't die. Still, eternal marriage to someone who you didn't want to marry sounds - not good.

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One of the Feanorians is married to a dwarf and they don't have the soul thing.

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Ah, Elf parents living with the mortal parents of their children for the children's lifetimes is probably a good idea.

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Well, except for the part where human doesn't mean inevitably going to die in a handful of decades anymore.

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Yeah. The Elves would probably be fine with eternal commitment, they're, uh, weird that way. I'd sort of expect that if I drunkenly slept with an Elf in the morning they'd have composed a mournful song about how we're now bound forever but they wouldn't try to get out of it. The Men, maybe not.

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I'll talk to the mothers, she mentally sighs, and work something out from there.

She locates an appropriate extra-healthy unusually smol child and ask if she can talk to their mother.

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Sure, she does laundry for a living and is probably doing that now.

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Okay, great.

"Hi, can I talk to you privately? Not necessarily right now," she says when the mother has been located.

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"Yeah, sure, it'll have to wait for this evening when the kids are down," she says. There are quite a few people at the shore doing laundry.

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"I can wait," she says agreeably, then goes to see if she can find a mother-of-probably-half-elf-child who isn't busy at the moment.

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Most people are in fact working during the day, including all single mothers, which appears to be most of the mothers of probable-half-Elves.

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Yeah okay fair enough. ...Only most? Not exactly surprising, but...

Celegorm? Not that I condone trying to marry human women who don't want to turn an unplanned pregnancy into an indelible commitment to the other parent, but how much does it complicate everything that children with noticeably elfy traits exist and not all of their mothers refrained from marrying other humans, after.

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Oh, for fuck's sake - why people can't just find someone of the same genderit's good that the kids have two parents. I think maybe better to let ones be. Are we sure it was after?

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I haven't asked, no I'm not sure, I'm giving people the benefit of the doubt--anyway some of us just aren't attracted to the same gender at all, but that doesn't actually stop you from doing the things that don't result in pregnancy--no one ever got pregnant from oral sex regardless of the respective genders of the participants. Anyway. I am completely in favor of seeing to it that people can have relationships with their children but trying to pressure the moms into marriage if they're not interested isn't cool. Do you have any ideas for handling this that seem unlikely to have us regretting our life choices horribly later on.

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We can just issue a decree to that effect.

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Okay. Um, I have issued a general invitation to these people concerning my sister's city. If any of the relevant moms say yes and the relevant dads don't alienate them then--I mean I guess I should ask Illia first but I don't see any reason she'd say no--they could come with. As opposed to just being sent south or whatever. It's supposed to be a human city but it doesn't have to be, like, perfectly homogeneous, species-wise.

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We can give people leave to go live there, we're not going to make them Illia's subjects.

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Right. I mean, I think there's a reasonable expectation that they'd help out with some things while they were there, but there's also a reasonable expectation that if Illia ends up with a meaningfully mobile military force it's going to be helping your uncle and Illia's sure as hell not swearing fealty to him.

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I expect they'd be happy to help and quite an asset, we're a hardworking people.

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Meanwhile we have to get that far. Any ideas on how to match up parent to child if it's not obvious one way or another? My magic can theoretically check but I don't know enough bloodworking to do it.

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I'll announce that it's a problem, suggest to people who think it could have happened that they go check with their former partners?

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Sounds like a plan. At least, I certainly can't think of any better ideas off the top of my head. ...One way or another, this is not going to stay quiet forever. D'you think there are going to be political repercussions? Should I be asking Maedhros that question?

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No, he wouldn't be particularly sympathetic to anyone in this mess, he thinks 'don't do stupid things' comes much easier to people than it in fact does.  I expect that people will declare that the benign neglect policy is unconscionable and we're guilty of the whole situation, which is true enough, and then Elves will be more careful.

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He thinks "don't do stupid things" is easy? Was he never an adolescent?

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Before I was born. But even then I don't think he did anything notably stupid. 

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I guess some people just don't.

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He'd handle it appropriately but without much sympathy, and it seems like maybe sympathy'd help here all around.

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Yes. But there's a limit to how much Sympathy will help. Problems that can't be solved with magic are the worst.

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The old-fashioned kind of effort, then, tracking down unknowing parents?

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I'm pretty sure that side of it is your problem. I get to talk to the knowing parents.

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What do you need from us?

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I don't know. I don't know that I need anything. These people are--well, I'm already making sure no one starves, and in terms of raising their kids everyone seems to be doing fine. Single parents are not the worst. The reason I'd like for your men to know they have kids where applicable is for their sakes. (Unstated but present as an undercurrent is that the idea of not being a part of one's child's life, not because you didn't want to but because you didn't even know or otherwise couldn't, is vaguely horrifying.)

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Yeah, his thoughts have that undercurrent too. I'm working on it.

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What a mess.

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Stupid people.

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Yyyep. Anyway no one's free to talk privately until evening, so I basically have to park here until then, so I guess I should probably copy complicated stuff in the meanwhile so I'm not wasting time.

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Have fun.

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I'll try. No promises.

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Do I need to insist on fun-having occasionally too?

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I enjoy many things which I frequently do, including talking to you on most topics, flying and writing in my journal. I just don't expect this afternoon to be very fun.

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Yeah, for me neither. Later.

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Later. And she takes out the list of complicated magical objects, picks one, reaches back to the fortress with Sympathy-senses to find an example to copy, and spends the next several hours working on that.

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They make the announcement that Elves can accidentally have children with mortals. It causes suitable horror.

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And eventually it is late evening and small children are in bed and Odette can talk to their mothers. Laundress first.

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"Hello, dear. How are you doing?"

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"I'm fine. Um. There's something I need to talk to you about but I can't really think of a delicate way to say it."

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She raises an eyebrow.

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"Elves can just--refrain from having children. When both parents are elves. It didn't occur to them that there might be accidental hybrids."

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"Did it not."

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"I couldn't swear that it never occurred to any of them, ever, but in general, no. It did not."

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"That's good to know. I suppose now they have been told."

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"Yes."

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"Are they going to come marching down here, take their kids?"

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"I wouldn't let them if they tried. And I don't think they're going to try. I do think that at least some of them are going to want to be involved. ...I may have had to explain that it was not in fact a given that every human woman would want to marry the parent of their child, if that were an option."

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"Don't know who her dad is."

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"I had to explain that too. If I were better at the relevant kind of magic, I could check, but I'm not and I can't."

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"I don't want her raised to fight in the Elf-war, either."

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"I don't think that's a particular risk. They were talking about keeping anyone who turned out to be a parent away from the front lines...look, I'm not trying to pressure anyone to move, it would be easier to look out for you and the others in Beth Miqlat, but while I would like for the fathers of the relevant children to be able to be part of their lives if they want to, if they try to push for anything you're not okay with--I'm not going to just let that happen."

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"Thank you. That is good to know. I don't know if it'd be good for her to introduce her to a very old temporarily unemployed-by-royal-order or something Elf."

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"...If I had a kid and didn't know about it, somehow...what I said earlier absolutely stands, and it is absolutely your decision...personally, I think you should talk to the guy, if anyone can figure out who he is, before deciding for certain. That's my opinion."

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"Sure. Is she going to be unusual in any way, does anyone know?"

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"She--and the others like her--seem to be a little healthier, aging a little slower. Apparently full elf children are negatively affected if the father isn't around during the pregnancy, but that doesn't seem to affect hybrids. At least not these ones. I don't know if there are any older hybrids to predict based on."

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"Huh. Yeah, I didn't have problems, though I know lots of people who've had a very hard time carrying an Elf pregnancy to term."

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"...Are any of these still around? All the ones I noticed were healthier than average, if there's anyone who needs particular healing attention..."

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"Once the children are born they seem to make it. I don't know currently - I could ask around -"

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"If there's anything I can do to help, I want to."

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"Appreciate it. We're - kind of used to making do. Attention doesn't make things better."

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"You shouldn't have to just make do."

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"I - guess it makes a lot of sense to think that way when you can fly and heal and say you'll just not let Elves do things you disapprove of."

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"Where I come from, most people can't do the things I can do."

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"And I bet you most people keep their heads down, ma'am."

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"Not really. I'm considered...exceptional, but not qualitatively unusual."

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"All due respect, would you notice?"

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"I know it's hard to believe, but back home, I was nothing special, socially. I had friends who poked fun at my abilities. I don't think anyone called me ma'am in my life before I came here."

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""I believe that being powerful doesn't make one important, where you're from, what I don't believe is that most people don't wisely keep out of the way."

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"I guess. ...Higher standard of living, though, which is kind of what I actually meant by shouldn't have to make do."

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"If the magic ends the famines, I'm all in favor."

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"Ash clouds're going to make it harder but magic can totally do that."

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"Thank you."

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"You're more than welcome."

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"Do you want to meet her? She's a good kid. She gets enough to eat most of the time."

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"Didn't you already put her to bed?"

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"Yeah. Are you leaving at night?"

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"I can see in the dark."

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"Right. Elves. I know you aren't one. Ah, safe travels."

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"Thanks. Safe--everything."

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"Yep." 

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And she heads back to--Celegorm's place, she guesses. How'd things go on your end?

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Some people are mildly panicked and I gave them a few day's leave to go check in with possible parents of their possible children. Yours?

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The one mom I talked to wasn't sure it would be best for her kid to suddenly introduce her to a random elf who was apparently her parent. The pregnancies are apparently sometimes more difficult than normal, but the kids are all fine if they don't get miscarried. They're--healthier than their fully-human peers.

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...if they don't die in the womb.

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Yeah, that happens sometimes. Even with fully-human babies. Not so much with mothers who have enough food and decent medical care, but.

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I do not think that happens to us, unless something bad happens to the parents.

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Well, we already knew that absent magic humans are fucking tragic.

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Dinner?

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I don't think I'm hungry right now. But I probably should.

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Yes. Yes, you should.

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I'll be there very soon.

 

They didn't know you didn't know it was possible.

 

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When she found out you hadn't known and do now her first question was if you were going to take them.

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There are people who would.

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I know.

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And I suppose you could fight them but you would, in fact, have to permanently disable them to stop them.

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I'm not saying this whole thing isn't a massive fuckup but frankly at this point I'm kind of glad that it was you in charge of the people who fucked up.

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It is my pleasure to have lots of experience governing fuckups.

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I'll certainly give you that, she sends with an edge like slightly hysterical laughter.

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It's going to be okay. I've cleared a bunch of afternoons to hear individual cases and figure out what compensation and arrangements make sense going forward. There's no punishment - well, no punishment that Maedhros would be okay with - worse than learning they have children they don't know. No punishments will be needed and misbehavior will be very deterred. 

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I'm not okay with people having children they don't know! I'm not okay with them continuing to not know their children! I'm not okay with disrespecting the mothers' wishes even when that involves the fathers continuing not to be part of their childrens' lives! There are no good solutions! I am kind of not okay! And I feel irrationally terrible for that because what right do I have to make any of this about my feelings, I'm not one of the parents involved.

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We don't even have any cases yet where those principles are at odds, and they might not be, and - what does 'making this about your feelings' look like? Trying to do the thing you think is right? That seems like a pretty good idea. Having feelings? Dunno if that's a good idea but it doesn't really seem one within the scope of moral judgment.

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...Making this about my feelings looks like complaining to you about them in the same breath as complaining about the possibility of people not getting to know their children. And I did say irrational.

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Ah. The well known moral law that if there are bad things in the world, venting about personal anxieties is unvirtuous. Presumably not evil, right? Virtue is broadly enough defined that you can make it mean whatever the fuck you please but evil generally requires someone actually be harmed. 

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I don't really think I'm doing anything wrong by venting. I just. 

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Experience guilt that's not a consequence of actually believing your behavior to be wrong, yeah. What I've been trying to get at is what, if not the belief you're doing something wrong, makes you experience it, so we can stop that. Unless you like feeling irrationally guilty. 

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No, I just-- deep breath. Calm down. The guilt is probably--spillover from the rest of my negative emotions about this whole thing. Including the fact that there's a corner of my mind that wishes I had never raised the topic with your brother and didn't have to deal with this.

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You don't, we can handle it. You should focus on doing hard magic, there is no way that this is the most valuable use of your time.

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I have to at least check in sometimes because I promised I'd intervene if anyone was insufficiently respectful of their maternal rights. I mean, trust you, but they don't have so much reason to.

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Conveniently I am metaphysically completely trustworthy.

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Please don't swear an oath about this. ...If you haven't already. I don't think they know enough about the phenomenon to be impressed.

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It can be done very safely, and explained very straightforwardly.

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And they still have only your word that that's how it works.

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Huan can confirm it.

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'My friend, who is also a stranger to you, vouches for me,' is often not much more convincing than 'take my word for it.'

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You haven't heard Huan speak. Trust me on this.

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I'm still checking on them. Regardless of how much I or they trust you, I did promise.

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Sure, okay. In the future it is probably a bad idea to commit yourself to time-consuming tasks that don't use magic and that you find upsetting.

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I don't think scrying or boosted-osanweing someone every few weeks to make sure they're okay is time-consuming.

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Your lookout. It is surprisingly easy to acquire a hundred responsibilities of that type and then they tend to be both time- and attention-consuming.

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Thaaaat didn't occur to me. I will try to be more careful in the future.

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In general promising specific outcomes or specific deliverables is more sustainable than promising continued attention, and the best way to promise continued attention is 'I will dedicate a trusted subordinate to this'.

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I don't have trusted subordinates who can do the things I can do. Anyway I did not, in fact, promise to keep an eye on them, I promised to prevent any of your people from forcing them to do anything they didn't want. Maybe I could give them a way to get in touch if it looked like something was going to happen. Which it won't, almost certainly, but if it did I could do something about it without a significant time commitment otherwise...

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Yeah, it's a shame they can't defend a palantir. I can ask my brothers to invent summoning-rocks that you can give to people that they can use to distress-call you.

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Sounds useful.

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Regrettably it may take a little while and there's no known means by which we can speed it up.

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A little while by your species' standards or mine?

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Don't know enough to say. Even if it's trivial as an engineering problem it'll be a month, magic item creation is just slow.

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Makes sense.

Illia convinced me that giving someone osanwe isn't the kind of mind magic relevant to the Taboo but I'm still hesitant to hand it out to someone who lives in a society full of people who don't have it who I don't personally trust or I'd just do that and teach how to boost it.

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Can you have Illia appoint someone your diplomatic representative in Estolad and then just make sure that person knows where the nearest palantir is and that they have leave to use it to contact you?

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To the best of my knowledge there are a limited number of palantiri; are you suggesting we should have one in Beth Miqlat?

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Yes, definitely.

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How many are there, and how are they currently allocated?

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Eight, and Eithel Sirion, Nargothrond, Brithombar, Tol Sirion, Dorthonion - that's the one I'd suggest Fingon give your sister - Himring, Thargelion, here.

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I recognized all of those names except Tol Sirion and Thargelion.

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Thargelion is where my brother Caranthir lives, it's near where you built a pass through the mountains. Tol Sirion is on the northern border of Findaráto's territory and manned by his nephew.

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Findaráto?

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Finrod. 

 

Quenya's prettier, isn't it?

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So far all of the names I've heard in Quenya were prettier than their Sindarin counterparts. I think yours might be the narrowest gap, but that's because it's nice in Sindarin too.

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Odette's nice but not enough for me to judge Genoshan from. Elves care a lot about language.

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Odette's not even from Genoshan originally! I'm pretty sure it's, like, originally a Francish diminutive of the Francish name Odile. And anyway I was named after my dead grandmother, that's why it means so much to me, and she was Prussian, so it would have been Germanic or Ashkenazi if people were usually named things in their native languages.

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My father is going to explode when he hears all this.

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I'll get a mop. Is he going to spontaneously invent a way back to my original world out of sheer frustration that I don't know more than a handful of words in any languages beyond my five? I didn't even know until someone called me Odile, I looked it up and corrected them that my name wasn't short for Odile in particular.

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Wouldn't put it past him but I don't know what kind of state one comes back from five hundred years of being dead in.

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Oh, hell, and the Darkness thing sounds super boring--and based on what you've told me I wouldn't necessarily expect boring to go over well, comparatively speaking.

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We think he's in Mandos. Haven't failed at the Oath yet, we are in fact giving the Enemy hell. But yeah, it might be a while before he's okay. There'll be a lot of logistical work with everyone back alive but we'll have to figure out how to be what he needs from us.

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I wish you luck with that. The sentiment is sincere, and accompanied by a sort of nonverbal speculation on what her parents would need under similar circumstances. Raikel's pretty easy, really--she'd need to do some damage to the person who had killed her, and time. Karole...less simple.

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He'd need to feel like he left us with something good and meaningful and can be proud of the legacy he left and also is not a relic and has obvious and useful things to do. And that we still love him.

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Considering your family drama I can't speak to the first part--but you certainly seem to have the latter two covered. It is incredibly obvious that Celegorm loves his father, and it sort of gives her sympathetic warm fuzzies whenever it comes up.

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Yeah, if they want my cousins can make the first part harder. He'll be okay. I just want him to be okay right away. And he must have thought that was it for him for the rest of eternity, and -

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I do so love being a pleasant surprise. She sends a burst of emotion roughly analogous to a comforting hand squeeze. Trust me, I get it on the wanting someone to be okay immediately bit.

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Right. So, dinner and then bed?

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Yep. She crosses the last few meters, climbs in through a window, and heads down to dinner.

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Dinner is elaborate, again. He eats rather distractedly.

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Not like she doesn't know why. "--I should probably bring Illia up at some point in the next few days. I was going to do that at some point, and I haven't, and in about a week she's going to have queening to deal with, so..."

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"Bring her to visit?"

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"Yeah. I'd understand if now wasn't a good time, though, considering the bombshell that's just been dropped."

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"We can multitask. I will be unusually disinclined to flirt with her and that is probably not a negative."

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"I think she'd be more amused than anything by you flirting with her."

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"I make stupid choices but not that stupid."

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"I didn't think you would mean it, but I wasn't sure if you expected her to know that. Or find faux flirting offensive, or whatever."

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"You are the one who said your sister had already been advised to get a girlfriend so she could discomfit his grace my uncle. I was guessing she has a sense of humor. But I am not any less responsible for peoples' lives for having a dislike of responsibility, and I promise that her trip here will be productive and full of engineering questions and I will merely provide the food."

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"I apologize for underestimating you. She will want to properly meet you, though, at some point if not now, amusing fake flirting or no. I care about you, and she cares about me, so."

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"Don't apologize. That was a very mild way of raising an objection if you weren't sure if I was serious. And I want to meet her. I have brothers who are twins, I want to know yours."

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"I did not rationally think you were serious but I was sufficiently surprised by the suggestion--if you've been fake-flirting with me I can't tell--that I didn't fully reason it out. I want you to know my twin too."

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"I have not been fake-flirting with you because Maedhros would quite literally lock me in Hiring's dungeons for the next century. He just passed a law. Also I really like you and wouldn't find it satisfying to pretend to like you."

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"...I had been under the impression that the law was about sex, not teasing between friends who know better than to mistake it for something else, but okay..."

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"Well, yes, but - you're gonna be royalty soon, better learn this - appearances matter, lies travel faster than the truth, etcetera etcetera. 'Celegorm's flirting with Odette and Maedhros just announced a law that Elves and Men can't have sex penalty of Maedhros' personal anger' is a really predictable disaster of a rumor even to me and I think ll this stuff is stupid."

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"I don't know what annoys me more, the fact that people would make the obvious assumption or the fact that anyone would think it was their business in the absurd hypothetical instance of it being true. And the fact that those things annoy me doesn't make them any less true or you any less right. Great. Now to figure out if anything I've been doing could look like flirting to an oblivious third party..."

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"Stupid and obnoxious, isn't it? Politics should be replaced with a national acting troupe and they should keep the identities of the people making decisions a complete secret. And I've been being careful, I think you're fine."

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"I probably shouldn't have done the hair thing, but other than that I think you're right," she decides.

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"I thought about saying something at the time but thought that'd be making more fuss - anyway, if something comes up and if it's making your life way harder - the Maedhros approach to rumor suppression is for someone to ask me about it in public and me to say disgustedly that my Telerin cousins might at this point have quite a track record with mortal children but I personally like partners old enough to tie their shoes. 

 

Which is, for the record, a shitty thing to say and true only technically but would stop you from getting comments."

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"If someone decides to make my life harder by saying I'm sleeping with you I'm half tempted to haul out, 'my culture is sexually liberated and if I were having sex with someone I'd see no reason to hide it and do you really think that would affect my policy decisions, do you really think I especially miss either of the two guys back home I've slept with,' but that seems likely to be a terrible idea for reasons that aren't immediately obvious to me."

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"I mean, depends what you care about. I have actually manufactured sex scandals a few times to get people chattering about less hurtful things but -

 

I do think people'd take you less seriously and assume your judgment were compromised, and I have made sure there are always people within earshot, towards that end, when we interact but they're my people and anything else would be costlier and it's entirely up to you."

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"If you have to say shitty things about Andreth in public then I have to pretend to stop being your friend because if you said shitty things about Andreth and meant them I would stop being your friend, so if I fail at pretending not to like you anymore then I damage either my reputation as a person who has my personality or the credibility of your statements, and I'm not confident in my ability to pretend not to like people."

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"Noted. Nelyo might be able to come up with something equally inflammatory in a less offensive direction, if it comes up. Hopefully it will not."

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"I guess I could always just tell them the truth, which is 'you're a moron, he's way too old for me and there is a war on and I do not have time for a love life.' Delivered in a much more hostile and derisive tone. I can be pretty scathing when I put my mind to it."

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"Might work. If sufficiently scathing."

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"I can also imply that whoever's suggesting it is probably defective and misogynistic for thinking a woman can't be friends with a man without sex being involved!"

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"I dealt with this shit with my cousin. People are terrible."

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"I mean I sort of already knew that cousinhood doesn't stop this kind of rumor, especially if people are trying to discredit you. But--hm. I'm concerned that any artificial response runs a risk of being...not in character enough? Being scathing at terrible people is a thing I do. And will suppress in Doriath if I find its King terrible but that's a separate issue."

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"'mildly racist and condescending' is baseline for peoples' understanding of the Feanorian character. But if you're bad at lying and good at convincing truth then it's better to tell the truth."

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"I've never had to lie about something like this before and I don't want to bet anything important on getting it right on the first try and continuing to consistently get it right thereafter. By all means consult Maedhros, though, I wouldn't be surprised if he suggests something that we can both immediately look at and go, 'oh, that'll work.' Why d'you have a reputation for being racist and condescending? Frankly so far you've seemed to have the least disrespect for my sister and I based on our humanity. Well. I haven't met Finrod yet but Fingon warned me about him too."

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"We are not very polite to people who don't merit politeness. I have for example been heard in public to say lots of mean things about Thingol. That has nothing to do with racism, but if you already think we're the kinslaying madmen it's not a wild leap. And Caranthir puts his foot in his mouth a lot but all the people who, for example, think he's racist and contemptuous of Dwarves don't know that he's married to one."

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"Fingon seems to be under the impression that elf/dwarf crossfertility has never been tested. I don't have trouble keeping my mouth shut when people have negative opinions about you because of things you've actually done but if you don't tell me not to I may end up making sarcastic remarks when people decide to extrapolate from there to negative traits you do not, in fact, have."

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"I mean, I don't need you defending my honor but I'm not going to ask you to hold your tongue either. Uh, which ones are true - ice, true, kinslaying, true, says mean things about Elu Thingol and everyone who answers to him, true, sleeps with men, true, illiterate, true, condescending, honestly yeah, towards politicians - racist is kind of a question of opinion - disloyal to the King is kind of complicated but I sure as fuck will do whatever wins the war - is that a good litany of things you shouldn't scowl about, if I'm accused of them?

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"Says mean things about Elu Thingol because he's Sindarin instead of because he makes terrible life choices is a reasonable distinction, as far as I can tell you're dyslexic and if anyone wants to say that means there's something wrong with you then I'd feel perfectly justified in tearing them a new one on behalf of dyslexic people who are not you, and even lacking that a lot of humans are the more common kind of illiterate and I'd feel compelled to defend them, racist I expect I would respond to with pointed remarks about how respectful of my species you've been, and the disloyalty thing I'm not touching with a ten-foot pole because the less involved I have to get in your family drama the better."

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"As you like."

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"Sometimes it bothers me that on an emotional level I honestly don't care about the Ice and Alqualonde. I mean, yes, those things were terrible, I know this, but when they're brought up my emotional reaction is 'ugh is this person going to try to manage who I'm friends with' instead of 'that sure is something awful the Feanorians did' and at the very least this is not remotely fair to the people who were genuinely harmed by those things and have every right to bring it up around me without risking my accidentally belittling their suffering."

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"Can't help you there. I have the same reaction, except with Alqualondë there's also everyone we lost and still miss and cannot talk about..."

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"...I sort of feel similarly about the collateral damage from when my mom went after the guy who killed her mom. If I have something in my head that just--turns off caring about terrible things when someone I care about did it, that's...worrisome."

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"Would you feel that way if you were reading a book and stumbled across a eulogy written for one of them? Or is it just that when someone confronts you with it as a reason you're wrong to love someone -"

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"--It bothered me the right amount when you told me about your cousin's wife missing her daughter's childhood. I don't have an off switch for empathy in my brain, thank Aten."

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"Just defensiveness when it's used against people you care about, which makes perfect sense."

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"Yeah. If--if you want to talk about the people you lost at Alqualonde--well, I think you might know me well enough by now to tell I won't mind at all."

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"I do. I - maybe when we're a bit closer to getting them back."

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"How likely is it that people are going to yell at me for bringing back those people in particular, and do you think it would be...politically expedient...to claim something like that I asked you for a list of soldiers and then didn't check to make sure they had all died in battles on this continent?"

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"think that most people realize their grievance should be with the people who gave the orders, not the ones who followed them, and of course lots of our dead at Alqualondë were children, so bringing back Noldorin dead from the fight wouldn't be bad-"

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"Children?"

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"What have you been told about what happened?"

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"People died, it was awful, it was you guys' fault, everyone who died on their side is probably alive again by now."

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"I certainly hope so. And expect so.

 

There's no way out of Valinor. I'm not sure if it's deliberate or an unintentional oversight - they forget the limitations on incarnate beings, they might not have realized that we couldn't cross the Ice. When Morgoth declared war, killed my grandfather, killed the Trees, and fled for the Outer Lands, we wanted to go after him. We wanted to go fast, because we figured he'd kill everyone here and if we arrived in time we could be reinforcements to them instead of having to get a foothold on a  conquered continent. Plus, you know, keeping anyone out of the Enemy's hands -

 

The Valar said no, bad idea, you can't take him and you'll die trying. My father said 'then we will fucking die trying' - it was more eloquent, actually, but. We went for the Ice. Scouted it. There was no way across. There was no light in the world and we were eating through our food supply and we went to the harbor city of Alqualondë and we asked if they would join us for the war. They said no. We asked if we could borrow their boats for the trip out of Valinor. They said no. We asked if they would help us make our own boats. No. Teach us how? No. 

 

They said if we waited our hearts would cool and we'd see the folly of our plans and we'd stop making trouble and go home. I think if they'd seen our determination only strengthening with time they might have changed their minds, but every week we waited was how many dead? We had no idea.

 

My father said we'd steal the boats. Go in, move everyone on and out, quickly and cleanly as possible. It went well for the first few boats - we were loading civilians and supplies on them, it wasn't a military operation, there were children on some of the boats - and then the alarm went up. They raced to the shore with bows and fishing spears and - I honestly don't know who opened fire first, no one does, I would tell you - they would have killed us all but Fingon arrived on the scene, saw a fight ongoing, and stepped in to help us, and by the end of it all of them and half of us were dead on the shore. And then the god of the sea, angry with us, swallowed some of the ships. And then the Valar Doomed us."

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"I don't really regret it. Or - only the way I regret every orc we kill out there. War is awful and this war is the awfullest of wars but I am going to save my regrets for situations where I had more choices than 'sit and do nothing' or 'try to do something'."

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"Yeah, no, that was not me being horrified at you, that was me being horrified for you." Her hands clench into fists. The Valar. Are going. Down.

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"Ice was actually our fault, that one I do regret."

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"Sometime closer to when I think I can pull off resurrection I should overfly the Ice looking for corpses. Repairing frozen bodies should be easier than constructing new ones."

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"Good idea."

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"Why did you do it?"

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"Having two factions that hated each other and couldn't coordinate seemed like a recipe for disaster. Theirs contained a bunch of members who had said they were only crossing so they could avenge Alqualondë by stopping us. So my father thought we'd cross, fight the war with fewer numbers but no politics - and you can't imagine how much he hated politics, and how much it distracted him from what he actually needed to do, which was invent something that could take down Morgoth - leaves them in Valinor, but defeating the Enemy mattered more - we did not expect that they'd attempt to cross the Ice."

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"Okay. That makes sense."

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"If we had we'd have - we didn't want them dead, we just didn't want them in our way. Maedhros is the only one who saw a way for them to not be in our way, and it was surrendering the crown and my family's claim to Finwë's line, my father could not have brought himself to do it..."

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She hugs him.

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"I couldn't have brought myself to do it either. It's a good thing we have Maedhros for things like that. I said to him 'you are asking us to give away our names' and he said 'I am asking of you anything that stops the Enemy and how do you argue with him on that?"

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"Is that why he specified only one name when he and I introduced ourselves to each other?"

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"The name my father gave him referenced our place in the house of Finwë. My cousins never used it and now he doesn't either."

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"I'm sorry. Losing a name--I agree with him, really, anything to stop Morgoth--but losing a name, that's terrible."

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"He was right to do it. They were wrong to ask."

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"Sometimes people who are hurting do things they shouldn't."

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"Yep.

 

Anyway, Maedhros choreographed it all very gracefully and insisted that even if there were no grievance between us Nolofinwë was the King of the Noldor by right - don't ask me what right - and then he moved us all east so we were in more danger and out of their way and we had a united front."

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"Do hugs actually, like, help, in the short term anyway, or is hugging you a thing I should feel okay about doing when I want one but not bother with when it's you who's upset."

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"Helps. You're pretty great. It's nice to not have to be so so careful to tell stories in a way that doesn't imply that, you know, they were painful for me, or that that would matter if it were true -"

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"Of course it matters. I mean. I don't--expect your cousins to be sympathetic. But. I'm not them."

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"Aredhel got it. But she was pretty special. Fingon gets it, though he's - I don't really understand what motivates him half the time, honestly. The other half the time it's wanting to kill the Enemy. At least that I get."

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"I'm so glad I landed near you guys. I--I need to stop judging Thingol. If I had landed in Doriath I might be sympathizing with his mistakes and condemning yours instead of the other way around and I am not okay with operating in a manner that means I would disliked you if some chance beyond my control had gone a little differently."

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"Very principled. And if you'd landed near the Enemy I bet he'd put up a friendly front, so, yeah, talking to the enemies of the people you're hearing from is a good idea."

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"I'm not talking to Morgoth. I have my sister's word that the orcs are all being tortured, that's more than good enough for me."

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"Yeah, obviously that'd be incredibly stupid. I just mean, if you'd landed with them you could check out us."

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"Yeah, just--mental images. Anyway. I think Fingon suggested to Illia that Doriath might not have let me leave, which. Kind of obviates any chance that I would like them better, probably, if it were true, but I don't know if I ought to think it is."

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"Depends, really. Thingol's impulsive as hell but usually his impulses are 'go away' not 'stay safe', I think."

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"I was imagining less 'stay safe' and more 'be our magic resource instead of anyone else's' but I do in fact not know these people..."

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"Yeah, and neither do I. Things are basically at the point where the people they're on terms with are by definition not people we're on good terms with, so I get everything third hand. Melian might in fact be able to stop you if she wanted to, I'm genuinely not sure of that either."

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"Gosh, I'm half tempted to do my absolute best to get along with them just to defy the idea that people get to stick me in broad definitions. I certainly hope she couldn't, but obviously it would be best not to have to find out."

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"I mean, Finrod's friendly with Maedhros and Thingol, it's certainly not literally unheard of. And yes, do try to not find out. If she's insisting you stay, playing along and sneaking out later is much wiser than having a confrontation."

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"I hope I can at least persuade them to allow some leeway in the Quenya ban for people who died before getting the chance to learn Sindarin."

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"Thingol will ask 'you mean the ones who were stopped while slaughtering my family at Alqualondë?"

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"I'd probably say something like, 'no, like the ones who died on the Ice, or alternately Finwe.'"

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"I bet Thingol will forgive Finwë for speaking Quenya. They were best friends, a very long time ago."

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"Maybe if we're very lucky Finwë can talk him out of the Quenya ban altogether when he's back."

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"Could be. Also once the war is over the Ban won't have any force, he can't use his status as the only safe place outside Valinor to coerce people."

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"I strongly suspect I'll be able to do resurrection before I can pull off killing Morgoth, and I am nnnot elf-patient. I want to learn Quenya and I can't until the Ban is lifted one way or the other."

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"Why d'you want to learn Quenya?"

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"Because I'm not allowed to and I don't like that and based on available evidence it's just plain prettier and it's your language and I would have been learning it if it weren't for the Ban and I don't want to vindicate it."

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"I would love to teach you once there's no Ban."

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"I look forward to it."

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"It's possibly not worth pushing for, not when there's still a war on - there's enough else at stake -"

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"I understand. I'm not planning to personally bring it up at all."

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"But it'd be nice if it happened. Fair enough."

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"Hope springs eternal!"

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"It means a lot to me that you want to, even if presently we can't."

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"Languages are important."

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"Yeah. It feels a bit like the war rips away everything that makes us people, a bit at a time - names, roles, languages - because the Enemy's more important than standing up to whoever has a demand. But."

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"But he's that horrible, that it's worth it." I'm glad I know your real name.

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"And I can't help but feel that people - borrow some of his horribleness, every time they ask others to make some concession to who they are because otherwise you know, the united front against the war might collapse -"

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Her arms tighten around him. "I'm reminded of sayings from back home--'take care when in pursuit of evildoers that you do not catch up with evil as well.' 'Paying evil unto evil is not goodness.' 'The ends don't justify the means.'"

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"They do, kind of, justify them. Just don't make them less ugly."

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"They make them worth it. That's not the same as making them okay."

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"Yeah. 

 

 

G'night, Odette."

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"Good night." She reluctantly un-hugs and goes to bed.

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He spends most of his free time in the week while the House of Beor gets ready to go helping Elves who are horribly distraught at the possibility they have children determine whether they even do. Most of them do not.

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Yeah this does not seem like the best time to introduce him to her sister. She can investigate dwarves, that was also a thing she's been meaning to do.

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"They send trade and collaboration teams over all the time in peacetime. Since there's fighting, they'll mostly keep them home. The location is here, they should speak Thindarin fine, don't be rude - not that I expect you'd be, but astonishingly many people are."

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"Is there a meaningful reason, or is it just 'people are pretty much terrible and sometimes specific bits of terrible become cultural habit'?"

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"They look very different from us. The Thindar thought they were animals and hunted them." His tone is very very emotionless.

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"What?"

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"The Thindar thought that they were animals, and hunted them. For sport. Kept their heads on the walls."

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"...What do they actually look like...?"

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"About this tall, bearded, humanoid - but that's scarcely the point, when you meet something you've never seen before we have osanwë you can check."

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"I have no words."

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"The Dwarves are a touch wary of outsiders."

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"I can imagine. If your brother's married to one will the fact that I'm on good terms with you guys help at all?"

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"I am hesitant to send you with my recommendation, I haven't known you long enough. You can mention that we found you charming."

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"Fair enough."

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"And show them the plastics."

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"That I can do."

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"Have a nice trip." He turns back to his work.

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This is entirely predictable if you know things about this man's personality!

She flies.

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To the place where she was told there are Dwarves.

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Yep. Hm, there don't seem to be visible cities or anything around, how odd.

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There is a road, paved and well-maintained.

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Might as well follow it, then.

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It passes a very neat, very metal, very closed door in the rock.

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That sure is a door. Probably no one is going to be offended if she knocks on it, she would have been warned, right?

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The door opens. The people at the door are armed, and bearded, and short, but they do not look necessarily unfriendly. "Hello."

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"Hello. My name is Odette Zavier. I came to this world by accident from a completely different universe and have a kind of magic presumably unfamiliar to anyone in this one who I or my sister haven't already told which has many useful properties including preventing people of dying of old age." Her claim of unusual magic may be supported by the fact that she is, as usual, hovering a little ways off the ground.

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"Okay. Are you trading with someone in particular or just offering to trade in general?"

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"...The latter, I suppose. I am very much in favor of people in general not dying of old age--or other reasons, for that matter--and am interested in distributing both de-aging directly and the mechanism by which it's done."

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"Very well, come in, perhaps you can do a demonstration and then someone can book an assembly room for you. Do you have poor vision? Do we need to light the place?"

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"My vision is fine and if need be I can enhance it further by magic." She floats in.

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It's very very large, and descends downwards in a way that suggests it's even much larger than that, and it's all very intricate well-done stonework.

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Odette carefully memorizes as much of the stonework as possible to show Illia later.

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Her guides explain things she looks particularly interested in. An assembly room, she is told, has been booked so she can give a talk.

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Great. It's definitely a good thing she's had so much practice explaining magic lately so this isn't totally impromptu.

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The talk isn't for a few hours, though, so they can show her around or leave her to prepare.

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This place is beautiful and she would love to be shown around.

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People are mostly quite cheerful and they pass her, and she's greeted in heavily accented Sindarin. There are Dwarven children running around.

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Aww, children not inextricably linked to major drama.

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They have beards, too!

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...Species diversity! You learn something new every day.

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And then the elaborate stone amphitheater fills for her talk.

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Right then.

She starts out by explaining that magic as she knows it has three branches, and the difference in methods between the three, and the side effects, pain and mental both, and the differences in side-effect between the branches, and how resistance and meditation work, and what she's been able to accomplish with her magic so far while she was here, and a great many things magic was used for back in her original world.

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There is a lot of enthusiasm.

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Good.

At some point it comes up that learning magic has thus far required osanwe.

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Dwarves are immune to mind-affecting magic. Because mind-affecting magic is terrible.

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...Yes, yes it is. That...does complicate things, though.

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Presumably humans back home don't have osanwë?

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They do not! Unfortunately she has no memory of not being able to do magic, never thought to ask how it happens, and can't communicate with her original universe right now. If anyone has any ideas she would love to test them.

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Some people have ideas. They also have ideas for things she could effectively trade them for (magic weapons, most obviously, in exchange for gems and metals she can replicate easily).

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She can do that. She's not as good at prettying gems as her sister but making them isn't hard. She's also very interested in testing any viable-seeming magic transferral ideas.

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How is magic taught back home? How was it first invented?

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Magic is taught back home with the assumption that you're already familiar with the core sensations that are what osanwe is necessary for. The invention--or discovery--of magic happened independently in every culture on her planet and long before when historical records go back to.

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Hmmm. So maybe with enough background familiarity Dwarves will pick it up too? It must be derivable. They determinedly try.

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Odette will help with that as needed.

...The day before she needs to go to pick up the House of Beor the dwarf she's spent the most time magicking around picks up the sense.

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Oh, good! Just a matter of exposure, then! There is Dwarven rejoicing. It is made clear that she is owed lots of recompense for all this knowledge.

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Can she, hm, pay someone for advice on how to effectively use this recompense on behalf of Beth Miqlat?

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She could establish a local community of Dwarves there for all her community's metalworking needs, assuming that Men mostly don't have the expertise and it takes time to acquire? She could buy a lot of weapons, but magic changes the game in terms of which are useful weapons. The Elf-lord Maedhros has been pressing all his considerable credit towards persuading the Dwarves to join in an alliance of the free peoples of Beleriand.

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She might consider the first thing if it turns out that she and her also-a-mage much-more-knowledgeable-about-metal sister are insufficient between the two of them for the city's metalworking needs. What kinds of magic weapons are native to this world? ...Also, if she buys chocolate, is it going to be problematic if she increases the amount magically, should she be buying a licence to a particular chocolate recipe from a particular chocolatier, chocolate is not actually a meaningful priority compared to the war effort but if she can prevent small children from growing up without experiencing chocolate she should probably do that.

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Oh, licensing now that you can duplicate things trivially is going to be a mess, buying a recipe license is probably the way to go on that, thoughtful of her.

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She recalls very little about specific licensing laws from Genosha so she can't really help with the general problem but she would definitely like to buy a recipe license and accompanying piece of chocolate to copy from from someone. ...Creating matter hurts a lot, she can do it trivially because she just doesn't really mind pain but unless things go in a way she's not expecting it's probably not going to be trivial for most people. Not that you can't copy things without creating matter.

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Okay, that's useful because it means they won't have to invent tons of new distribution deals, but they weren't panicked. Obviously magic wouldn't make markets stop working.

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Obviously. Anyway she is short on time right at the moment and they have banks so aside from the chocolate thing if she can resolve that quickly she doesn't have to make any significant economic decisions right this minute.

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They will keep track of how much is owed her. Chocolate is licensed.

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Excellent.

And then the week is over and it is time to head down to the House of Beor again.

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They are packed and ready to go!

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Being flown really is much more pleasant with warning well in advance and no immediate crises.

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And to a beautiful city destination.

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Yeah.

Odette updates Andreth on the details of the Hybrids Incident and also describes her stay with Dwarves. Dwarves are pretty great.

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Andreth is glad to hear that there are efforts being made. Stupid thoughtless Elves.

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"Sure is a good thing Aegnor never knew for sure that accidental soul-bonding wouldn't happen."

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"i am absolutely certain he'd have married me if there'd been a child. I'm not even sure of 'with my agreement' as a caveat."

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"I promised the women there that I wouldn't let the Elves push them around about--what happens to them or the kids because of this. And I do trust Celegorm not to be that particular kind of horrible."

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"At least in our community it - wouldn't require much pushing around, a child outside marriage is a disaster and a marriage to an Elf would be a dream."

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"The woman I talked to wasn't even sure it was a good idea to introduce the kid. Estolad's different from here."

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"I have definitely heard that. An interesting approach."

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"I honestly find it kind of hilarious that Fingon says that they don't interact with humans as much over there but he didn't even know sex doesn't equal marriage for us."

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"It sounds like it was just a few people who knew that, and once the Elven command found out they reacted accordingly."

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"It's possible, if slightly hilarious. I was confused when Maedhros asked if I needed chaperones when I told him how young I was, mentioned that I didn't care about the opinion of anyone who refused to believe I hadn't been having sex with him..." she spreads her hands. "His reaction."

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"Elves. I haven't met the Lord Maedhros, is he as grim and ruthless and scary as everyone says?"

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"He's...I don't think that description is technically inaccurate? He's willing to do whatever it takes to see the Enemy dead, he's very very good at killing orcs and has a lot of scars, and he, um, I'm not going to comment on the grim part except to say that he certainly doesn't act like it all the time. I like him, he's not an inherently unlikeable person or anything..."

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"I'm not digging to get unkind things about your friends. Just trying to match the impressions with what we hear..."

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"Yeah, no, this isn't me suspecting you of that, this is me trying to figure out what I can say about him without being...gossipy about things I suspect he wouldn't want me to be, about him."

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"I don't need to know. Just curious."

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"I more than understand that."

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"We're trusting our lives to them and that does not entitle us to know them but it's nonetheless a difficult position, living off rumors and guesswork. And particularly if they have a reputation for ruthlessness and it's not entirely clear that you can't accidentally make a mistake that'd hurt your people - m'lord King at least wanted us around -"

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"...If you're giving us political advice I should probably tell you more than I would tell someone just idly...he was captured by the Enemy for a while, he is highly competent but I have seen little to no evidence that he gives what he wants any particular weight when it does not involve fighting Morgoth."

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"Okay. So the policy of benign neglect towards Estolad almost certainly doesn't reflect any strongly founded positions on the matter and furthermore if we present him with a solution that doesn't distract from the war he's likely to go 'lovely'?"

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"The benign neglect thing was according to Celegorm because they didn't consider themselves qualified to sufficiently account for the differences between Elves and Men while governing them. If you have an alternate solution that's probably a good thing at this point."

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"The problem is that Estolad doesn't - they can't grow enough food to survive, they're dependent on the Elves, and so ignoring them doesn't work very cleanly. I think we should convince most of the population to emigrate but if they don't, yes, the Elves need to govern."

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"I brought it up when I was there. They seemed interested but not convinced. I told them that regardless I could make sure that they had enough food and they were happy to accept that, at least."

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"Well, that should help. And if the Elves are easy to work with we can add improvements as we think of them."

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"I've found them to be so but I don't know how much of that is the fact that I wield awesome power."

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"I mean, you're going to continue to wield awesome power so for planning purposes doesn't really matter. I guess if I were giving a character reference I'd be curious how they act towards us when you're not likely to hear about it, but that's not going to affect this."

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"True enough. They seem to have fairly high opinions of you, through hearsay."

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"Do they. That surprises me a little. I suppose m'lord King is very complimentary."

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"I think it was from a variety of sources. Including me, but I only added my name to the list after it was mentioned."

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"I'm looking forward to the chance to meet them. It should be interesting."

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"I think you'll like them but I could well be biased because I like them."

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"It seems like you have good criteria for liking people."

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"I like to think so but I'm not sure how well some of the reasons generalize."

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"I probably won't like your Elves that much, true."

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"It's not just that I have a crush on one of them although I will grant that some of the reasons I'm thinking of are among the reasons why I have a crush on one of them."

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"You relate well to their particular failings?"

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"And the one I have a crush on had some profoundly helpful things to say when I had a mini-breakdown relating to my issues and how they interact with the current situation."

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"I'm glad."

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"I'd've been okay, mini-breakdowns are a thing that just happen sometimes and generally no one has anything particularly helpful to say and I'm fine."

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"About what? If I may ask?"

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"I periodically have problems with the fact that even if tomorrow I somehow managed to solve all of the world's problems people would still have to deal with the aftereffects of the time those problems spent unsolved."

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"People are pretty resilient. I think that'd be less - ah, tragic - than it must seem to you."

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"It's less--trauma--mostly, anyway--than things like dying while your children are young and not getting to see them grow up. And--people cope, I know that, but that doesn't make it okay."

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"Some happy future is going to find all of our lives horrifying. For reasons that don't even bother us in the moment. I guess I don't give them a vote. We get to decide what's tragic in our lives."

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"I mean I'm talking about the general case but most of what actually bothers me is some stuff that specifically happened to my family."

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"I'm sorry. In that case you do have the right to feel irerevocably injured, and that sounds hard."

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"It's not, except when it is. And it's why I'm as attached to my name as I am."

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"I do not think it likely even m'lord King will suggest you change it."

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"Apparently that's done for language reasons, sometimes, it's not always complete name changes, but I don't think anyone's going to try to outlaw any of the languages from my original universe."

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"You would have to pull some very interesting stuff for them to be tempted to try."

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"At least I can't get Doomed so it wouldn't be piling insult onto injury," she mutters.

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"I don't know if the Valar can Doom Men. Might be they could."

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"...The Elves seem pretty confident they can't..."

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"The Elves have a very weird theology because they knew their gods personally a while ago and I am sure it's nice for them but I'm not sure it's accurate. Also 'Men shouldn't be immortal' is one of its implications."

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"It has been suggested that if Men can be Doomed then I'm covered by their Doom for knowing about it and working with them anyway and if I'm Doomed then we're all fucked."

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"Doesn't seem like a reason to be sure that it isn't true."

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"Could be a reason to take action as though it isn't true, if there's nothing we can do about it if it is."

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"Fair enough."

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"If I see meaningful evidence that it is true I will try to think of something to do about it anyway."

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"Being independent of the Elves and not working for them should possibly help."

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"It's entirely possible, but I wouldn't want to bet our lives on it; the original victims were the Feanorians and it's been strongly implied that it's still expected to affect everyone else even though Fingolfin is High King."

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"Original victims' is an interesting phrasing."

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"Unless I have been badly deceived the Doom was way out of proportion to the crime it was punishing."

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"Can't say, but if your source is them -"

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"I don't...think they lied to me when I asked for the exact terms of the Doom..."

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"I meant more about the precipitating incidents."

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"They killed a lot of people. In Valinor. Where the Valar could bring them back like that. To which 'you're going to die horribly and fail at everything and we're not going to bring you back even if your victims tell us we're being too harsh' is disproportionate."

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"Never got the impression the Valar bring back the dead 'like that', even in Valinor."

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"I may have been exaggerating slightly for rhetorical purposes. Still. At the point at which you say, 'even if your victims intercede on your behalf we're not going to let up' you're probably doing something wrong."

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"Probably."

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"I actually asked about the Feanorians' victims in the context of people-to-resurrect and was assured that it had probably happened by now, whatever scale within that time was used."

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"Okay. It probably has happened by now, it's been four hundred fifty years."

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"Yeah. Not that I have any real understanding of how Valar ideas of time compare to elf ones, let alone human..."

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"I find the Valar wholly incomprehensible."

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"I don't know if I know enough about them that I ought to comprehend them if it's possible."

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"I think they're different from us in more fundamental ways than values and sense of time. And even the Elves seem bad at predicting them."

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"Well, I already knew Morgoth doesn't make sense based on human mental architecture."

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"Why's that?"

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"Because he acts like a villain in a storybook, not someone who's using unsavory means to ends other than 'be gratuitously evil'."

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"I...think he is a villain in a storybook, sort of, the way the Elves conceive the music of creation, their concept of fate..."

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"I think that makes a lot of sense but the way fate seems to work isn't, you don't choose to do these things but do them anyway, so if you have someone who actually is a storybook villain then they probably have a psychology consistent with storybook villaining in a way the human brain generally isn't."

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"Yeah. 

 

 

Do you really think you can kill him?"

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"I think my magic doesn't have a cap on how strong it can get and unless he's actually some form of omnipotent I will at some point be able to tear him into atom-sized pieces of whatever the fuck Valar are actually made of and scatter them across half a dozen galaxies."

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"Good."

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"Yes."

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"How much farther?"

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"'Bout an hour and a half."

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"Excited?"

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"A bit."

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"Thank you for building the city."

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"It was my sister who designed it. It's...very pretty, and mostly not in an elfy way, she borrowed from a bunch of architectural styles back home. Back where we came from, anyway, I guess I should stop talking like Beth Miqlat isn't home now. Anyway I'd never built a city before, it was an interesting magical challenge, and I'm thrilled by just about everything about this project."

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"I bet you are. Do we get to meet our Queen?"

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"She's actually still hanging out with the Elves right this minute because they convinced her there was safety in numbers and it would be more effective to bring her to the city after I had gotten you there rather than leaving her in an empty city while I got you, but I'm going to fetch her as soon as you've gotten settled enough."

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"That's reasonable. Though it's more safety in you than safety in numbers, we couldn't hold a city."

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"I can't be everywhere at once," she sighs. "I--suppose I could have gotten her first and brought her to get you, but I didn't think of that."

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"It'd make people nervous traveling with our Queen."

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"Oh, good, my thoughtlessness is validated."

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"I am eager to meet her though."

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"I think you'll like each other."

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"I am sort of betting quite a lot on it, so I hope so."

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"She likes your books, so I think it's a pretty safe bet."

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"I'm glad the books survived. I was worried they wouldn't."

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"Printing presses make that less of a concern."

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"Those are a brilliant idea. But - I was honestly expecting everyone in the world to die, there'd be no one to preserve the books..."

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"Oh. Yeah. That's not going to happen now."

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"So we've been told."

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"Sorry if I'm--belaboring points."

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"No, it's just hard to revise overnight assumptions you've had your whole life."

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"Fair enough."

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"We grew up in the shadow of Angband, we were - t's not that w weren't optimistic, m'lord King thinks Men are inherently so by temperament, but we also knew very well that those walls weren't going to fall by any effort of ours."

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"Effort, along with Sympathy and Conquest, will do a lot more now."

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"Can't wait."

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"So far I've gotten--mm, no, never mind. I was going to say I think the people I've specifically checked with were disproportionately Sympathy but then I realized I was counting myself and if I was going to do that I'd have to count Illia too and that makes it more even. And the sample size wasn't great to begin with."

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"Does it say something about personality? What are the Elves?"

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"It's personality-based, yeah, both talent and resistance, and the two aren't always correlated. Celegorm is specializing in Conquest based on talent, Maedhros is going into Sympathy probably based on talent, and Fingon seems to be going into Effort based on Illia didn't ask which reason."

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"Sympathy seems obviously the best.  I guess everyone feels that way about their specialty."

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"Pretty much. Depends on why they're specializing; really. People who specialize for talent are more likely to feel that way than people who specialize for resistance--although there are certainly exceptions, I don't know how some people get things done without the lovely fiddly-bit-handling Sympathy can do."

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"Bet people in your world specialize more for resistance, less to lose from not being strong enough."

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"Well, yeah. There are exceptions, but...yeah, pretty much."

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"We can hope for the same for our children."

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"...For the record, magic can do birth control, and anyone who doesn't have kids right now also doesn't have a ticking biological clock anymore...or well they do but it can be reset fairly easily so."

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"Think we should change to the Elven perspective on childbearing?"

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"I think I want people to be aware that it's an option."

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"What's the Queen's policy going to be?"

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"To be completely honest? Probably something like, 'If you want to learn how to do birth-control magic I will go out of my way to teach you, if you want to learn fertility magic I will go somewhat less far out of my way to teach you unless the reason you want it is because the person you want to have kids with is the same gender as you because I want to make a point, if you have kids I will make sure you have the resources to raise them, now here learn some more magic.'"

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"What... point would be made by - if the person you want to have kids with is the same gender -"

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"Elves don't like homosexuality and she wants to make it clear that we don't have a problem with it. Unless it would present intractable diplomatic problems, I guess, in which case she'll grit her teeth and drop it."

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"Don't think it'd cause intractable diplomatic problems. I am not sure they'll be paying much attention."

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"I guess not."

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"They mostly think of us as children."

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"Well, Celegorm says he doesn't, but Fingon called my sister a child to her face, so it may vary."

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"I suppose."

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"Celegorm," she sighs, "has also warned me that if people decide the fact that I'm friends with him means that we're sleeping together one possible method of deflection is to say disparaging things about your erstwhile relationship with his cousin. I don't think it's particularly likely as a tactic at this point but of course if it did even if you took my word that he had acknowledged it in advance that it would be a shitty thing to do you'd have every right to be extremely offended."

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"Saying specifically -"

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"Uh, I don't remember if I'm getting the exact words right, but, 'My Telerin cousins might have quite the track record with mortal children but I prefer partners who are old enough to tie their shoes.'"

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"That is exceptionally consistent with everything I have heard of the Feanorians. Are you saying they do it on purpose?"

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"I guess? It seems kind of massively out of character for him even apart from the fact that I don't think he's that much of a dick but I have not in fact met all of his brothers."

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"I'm not offended, and wouldn't be if he said it publicly. If anything it'd probably make other people stop saying milder versions of the same thing, since they wouldn't want to sound like the Feanorians."

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She giggles. "Well, it'd offend my sensibilities enough if he meant it that we'd stop being friends and I am not sure how convincingly I can fake not being friends with someone which is why it's probably not going to happen. Though as much for the dig at my maturity as at the implied insult to you."

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"Easiest way to avoid rumors - and usually I'd also say 'and avoid being coerced', but you can fly, that changes a lot of things - is to not be alone with them."

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"Maybe I shouldn't have been so dismissive when Maedhros asked if I needed chaperones. In my defense the look on his face when he found out what chaperones were for was legitimately hilarious."

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"Elves. I - don't know if you do need to be careful. It depends who you want to take you seriously and why."

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"It would probably make my life more difficult if anyone thought I was sleeping with a Feanorian considering how much most people dislike them."

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"I'm terribly sorry about literally all Elves. Nothing to be done for them. Men wouldn't care."

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"Well, I'm glad to hear that, at least.

 

"Complicating the issue further is that Celegorm is actually the Elf I have a crush on, which made the bit of that conversation about how it was completely ridiculous that we might be flirting sort of hilariously ironic."

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"A Feanorian?

 

Your life is your business, I am interested in offering advice only when it's solicited."

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"If I were going to have logical crushes I wouldn't be crushing on an elf in the first place and he's actually been really great to me. If you have advice I'm interested in hearing it."

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"Crushing on Elves is very logical, they are really hot and utterly devoted to the war in a very ageless weary way and it is entirely reasonable to find those traits attractive.

 

Most of the House of Finwë hasn't married. The explanation I got was that their first obligation is to their people and their second to their King and their third to their family and it is not many who want to be fourth in a lover's life. For the Feanorians add the Silmarils."

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"He is stupidly hot," she agrees. "I really shouldn't be arguing in favor of doing something about this but both my previous relationships failed when I got it through my boyfriends' heads that they were never going to supplant my sister in my priorities."

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"It'd probably work better if it were at least mutual."

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"When I confronted him on the subject of whether or not he considered me a child he basically said that he didn't consider me the equivalent of a twenty-one-year-old elf, he considered me the equivalent of a fifty-year-old-elf, which is basically newly come of age, which is pretty much accurate all things considered--and still too young to date someone in his age group, which came up when he specifically mentioned that he wasn't going to suggest setting my sister up with lesbian elves because of the age differences. I'm too young and there's a war on, which means that I specifically am too busy attempting to achieve ultimate cosmic power for a love life, came up when we were discussing hypothetical rumor deflection. Neither of those things are going to be true forever. I don't know if I'm still going to be interested when those things are no longer true or if I'm going to try anything if I am but I'm really not succeeding at talking myself out of it, am I."

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"I am probably not the person to talk you out of it. Though one other consideration is that they - 

 

Aegnor's supposedly going to pine for me forever. I don't want him to pine for me forever. I am not going to pine for him forever. But it's an Elf thing; they fall once, and hard, and forever."

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"I won't do anything if I'm not willing to deal with that level of commitment."

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"In that case I think your priorities are very sensible."

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"If I still want him after decades-at-least of not doing anything with it when I'm not too young anymore I'm probably not going to balk at Elf Hypermonogamy, though."

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"Do you expect that you will still want him in decades?"

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"How should I know? I'm only twenty-one. Maybe I will, and maybe I won't, and maybe if I do and I decide to try he'll turn me down, and however it turns out I expect to enjoy and value his friendship."

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"You're the one who knows him, but he'd be very foolish, politically speaking to turn you down. That's another consideration."

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"If I don't think I can try anything without incidentally pressuring him then I definitely won't."

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"I believe you. And being a really advantageous partner isn't inherently pressure-y, or something. Just can be, during the war."

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"Add that to the list of reasons to wait until the war's over, I guess."

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"If you needed any more."

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"I didn't really."

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"I'm sorry. It's a hard spot to be in. I think you're doing everything right."

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"I'm honestly not all that bothered by it? I like being friends with him. ...The worst part is that having a crush on him is doing non-elf unhyper monogamy to my brain so I can't deal with the sexual frustration elsewhere, but I can deal with that."

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"I sort of figured magic societies would have invented some good solutions to loneliness."

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"Yeah for some reason no matter how fancy you get it taking care of the problem yourself isn't as good at long-term frustration relief as the cooperative version."

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"Shame you couldn't have picked, like, a not-famous Elf, then you could just ask him and maybe have company while you save the world."

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"I mean the actual interpersonal reasons still apply it's not like I'm only refraining for political purposes."

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"If he weren't, you know, a Feanorian, I would tell you to go for it. The interpersonal reasons being that he thinks you're too young - I'm not sure Elves mature, honestly - and that you're busy? Stay busy, have a warm bed. I think the Elves are wrong not to wed in wartime."

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"Interpersonal reasons also include 'I don't want to risk getting Elf Hypermonogamy on me and then finding out I don't want it.' And, you know, what with the Doom they're justifiably concerned about getting their soul glued to someone else's and then never seeing them again if they die."

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"Don't they come back?"

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"Normally they do. Part of the sentence of the Doom is that they won't."

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"That makes Aegnor's commitment never to return to life so he can mope over me less exciting."

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"I will grant you that, but the fact remains that once the war's over and I've re-established contact with my original universe I'm going to see how many Elves I can talk into seeing some fucking therapists."

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"Talking Elves into growing up is really hard."

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"Maybe they'll eventually make that its own specialization within the field of psychiatry."

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"Your world's poor psychiatrists."

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"Well, you notice I'm not volunteering for the job."

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"Me neither. And I like every Elf I've met."

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"So do I, so far, but then I haven't properly met very many as opposed to just sort of seeing them around."

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"They keep pretty busy."

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"There is a war on."

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"Yep. And they coordinate rather seamlessly, they have known each other for so long..."

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"The advantages of experience, though maturity be lacking."

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"They've very lopsided. Impressive in some ways, so limited in others."

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"We might seem the same from their point of view. Well. With limited and impressive reversed for relevant things, of course."

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"We do. But they're used to valuing the things they're good at."

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"There is that."

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"Your city's going to be interesting."

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"I don't see how it could avoid it, given that the queen and the vast majority of the inhabitants are from separate universes."

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"And it's human-ruled and has magic."

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"Is it going to cause cultural problems with the residents if the queen goes around being publicly bisexual, do you think."

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"Everyone here's been raised and taught Elven values. But they've also been raised to respect their betters. I am not sure what problems there might be."

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"Lovely. Well. It's not like she has a girlfriend right now so maybe there'll be a chance to acclimate to how bizarre we are before it comes up."

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"Is she also planning lonely celibacy for the whole war?"

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"She doesn't consider herself too busy to have a love life if one drops in her lap but I doubt she's going to go out and look for one anytime soon."

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"Makes sense. Ah, who inherits? If something happens to her?"

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"Probably me by default, I guess, since for immediate practical purposes I'm her only living relative, but my plan for if that happens is to appoint you or someone else if someone better comes along as regent and go back to acquiring ultimate cosmic power just with a veto in case something goes unexpectedly horribly wrong."

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"Wow. Okay. it might be wise to have a more formal procedure."

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"Yeah, definitely, but we've been moving kind of fast and we're hard enough to kill that 'what happens if Illia dies' hasn't been near the top of the priority list."

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"I noticed. It's not just relevant in that contingency, for the record, it's also relevant to how other kingdoms interact with you and with her."

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"True. Well, I'm highly opposed to any solution where I have to spend enough time running a city that it seriously cuts into my acquiring-ultimate-cosmic-power time, and Illia's highly opposed to any solution where someone she doesn't trust very, very highly ends up with the final say regarding how the city is run."

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"What you have makes sense to me, just write it down and formalize it and have a way to frame it when people ask."

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"Sounds like a plan. ...You may be consulted on the formalization part, I don't know how well we picked that up. Illia probably better than me, she might not need help."

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"Happy to help if it's needed."

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"She was hanging around the High King absorbing statecraft and I was rotating between killing orcs, teaching people magic, and a handful of other things while mostly eating and sleeping at the home of someone who despises politics."

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"The High King is by all accounts a good and capable one."

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"Is there a story behind the combination of those words with that facial expression."

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"Oh, I - he's a very hands-off king of his various relatives, if the Kingship's not entirely a fiction, and sometimes I think that it is. Goodness that does not actually reach anyone in need of it isn't particularly a thing to sing of, but on the other hand I'd expect most people doing the job to do worse at it."

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"Given the sheer amount of drama going on with said relatives if for no other reason, I think you're right."

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"That too. I - you'd think the war would give them all reason to cool it a little, but I think they remember every wrong they ever did each other as if it happened yesterday."

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"Maybe if I'm very lucky it'll cool down after I've resurrected the relevant dead persons. Or, more realistically but still optimistically, people might decide to leave me out of it."

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"Good luck with that."

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"I'm not actually optimistic."

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"Think we'll be that bad in a couple thousand years?"

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"I think at worst we'll get differently-flavored drama because I love and trust my sister more than anything in the world and both my parents are only children."

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"m'lord King loves and trusts his brothers wholeheartedly. The lack of cousins might help you."

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"That and the lack of evil gods whispering wicked, wicked words in my parents' ears, yep."

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"Let's hope the evil gods are all very thoroughly dead by the time we're as old as the Elves."

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"Yyyyep. If it takes me that long to kill them I will be disappointed in myself."

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"How long are you expecting?"

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"I don't know exactly but I'm pretty sure some of these guys are multiple millenia old and and if it takes me as much as one millenium I will be substantially frustrated."

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"They are. They used to count the years differently, but m'lord King is nearly three thousand and King Thingol of Doriath is at least six."

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"If it takes me six millenia to kill Morgoth I am going to devolve into a frenetic bundle of rage and magic."

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"I bet. That'd be a long time to wait to flirt with the boy, too."

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"I am not going to wait six millenia to talk to him about my feelings," she acknowledges.

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"Would not expect you to."

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"Frankly even if it weren't for all those other reasons I have I'd want to wait, though, considering the hybrid thing."

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"Oh, right, you mentioned Lord Maedhros put a rule in place. That was probably wise, even if it makes your life less fun."

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"Yeah, I'll live."

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"Is that it up ahead?"

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"I think so but my eyes are better than yours so I'm not a hundred percent sure if you're seeing what I'm seeing."

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"White dot is all I can see."

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"I don't know if the particular white dot you see is the city but I can see the city."

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"I'm pretty excited."

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"We'll do our best to live up to it."

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"Can't wait to meet the Queen, either."

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"I do think you'll get along very well."

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"I am very impressed with her already."

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"I'm glad."

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"An independent human kingdom."

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"Considering we've got nothing but humans back home it's going to take me some time to really get that this is a big deal, I think."

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"It's a big deal."

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"I do know that. I just--keep forgetting."

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"I can keep reminding you."

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"That'll probably be useful."

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"An independent human kingdom!"

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"Independent human magic kingdom. It's going to be so magic, it'll be great."

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"So magic, the Elves will feel like they're being shown up."

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"Possibly except Maedhros."

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"Oh?"

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"So when I first showed up I was very close to Himring and once I learned about the Enemy I promptly started teaching people magic and Maedhros is scary good at it."

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"And you think he's a comparatively safe person to be scary good at it?"

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"Yes."

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"Alright. In that case I'll be glad we have a backup."

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"None of the shit the House of Feanor pulled struck me as the kind of thing that would have gone worse if they had more resources and he's very, very committed to seeing the Enemy dead."

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"...I see what you mean. And I do trust your judgment."

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"Thank you for not assuming it's compromised because I happen to like them."

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"I was rather assuming you liked them because of your judgment of them as people worth liking."

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"I do. But I might like them even if I didn't trust them."

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"I feel that way about some people."

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"I do trust them. Mostly, anyway, and I have plans for the most likely situations under which things are likely to go south again..."

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"Oh? What's that?"

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"What if anything do you know about the Oath of Feanor?"

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"Nope. I - know Elves can make oaths, and I know the Feanorians are reckless..."

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"They literally made an Oath to retrieve the Silmarils at any cost, which is fine as long as Morgoth has them, but if he decides to hand one over to--say for example Doriath--and Doriath declines to hand it over--well. I get to either steal it anyway or physically restrain my friends from invading."

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"How astonishingly stupid."

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"I'm sure it seemed like a good idea at the time. Most things do."

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"How could that ever possibly seem like a good idea."

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"Under circumstances where it hadn't occurred to anyone that someone other than Morgoth might be in a position to withhold a Silmaril, I can only assume."

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"Elves."

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"Elves."

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"I can see the city better now."

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"It's not all the way finished, I should probably mention, but it's habitable and defensible and that seemed like the important bits to have done before inviting people to live there."

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"I was not at all worried. What's unfinished?"

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She describes some of the things Illia wants to have put in later and left room for that has thus far gone unbuilt.

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"This is going to be great. Your sister is a thoughtful planner. Ambitious, but she has you, so..."

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"I think it's possible she would be less ambitious if she wasn't in the habit of thinking bigger to keep up with me."

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"Influencing your sister into being the first ruler of a mortal kingdom seems like being a good sister to me."

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"I take full credit for this despite the fact that it would never have come up back when I was doing it."

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"Because all the kingdoms already had mortal rulers?"

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"Exactly."

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"I think it'll be good for you both that that was true. You won't have the - humility - associated with feeling like it's a privilege just to be talked to."

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"Sheesh. Seriously?"

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"They're so much more than us, and they know it, and they were in charge."

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"That is both completely ridiculous and not really surprising in retrospect."

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"It would have taken a lot of effort to avoid."

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"People."

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"Elves. Mostly."

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"Humans seem to have less opportunity to be self-important and jerks about it here but trust me, that is not an inherent psychological difference."

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"Suppose not. The Elves might cut it out if they realized humans were like that."

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"What, out of a desire not to be tarred with the same brush?"

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"They like to think they're more morally sophisticated, they'd hate the idea we all have the same failings."

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"If they were actually more morally sophisticated they wouldn't have the homophobia problem," she snorts. "They can learn to deal."

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"The Valar told them that. I think most people take what their gods say very seriously."

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"That's true. One would think the Doom would have gotten them over it, but, religion." She shrugs. "Homophobia still isn't actually more morally sophisticated than not that."

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"Obedience to the whims of deities does not strike me as particularly morally sophisticated even when the deities are right."

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"Also a good point. Sound, maybe, sophisticated, no."

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"M'lord King thinks that it's halfway to being the Enemy to discard Eru's moral teachings."

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"That's how the Valar see it too, I think. I take it whoever offended your sister did not say she was halfway to the Enemy."

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"That would not have ended as well."

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"They're good. They're not good enough, not all the time, and they're wrong, but - I would very deeply regret it now if, when I'd been younger, I'd had the power to hurt them for mistakes."

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"I don't think she would have hurt them. I do think she would have done something less diplomatic than deciding that traipsing into their culture and trying to change things would do more harm than good and dropping the subject."

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"Good for her. On doing that, I mean, and I wouldn't blame her for having made more of a fuss."

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"Making a fuss will be much more effective with established leverage and a greater familiarity with the culture in question."

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"Yep. Know where they're coming from, then change them."

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"So far they seem to be coming from, "the Doom did not teach us that the Valar are fallible.'"

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"The Valar get excessively angry about evildoing. I don't think they'll get from there to 'the Valar are wrong about the nature of evildoing'. And I'm not sure how to get them there."

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"The Doom was evildoing and I'm not sure if it's possible to get any farther on the subject with someone who doesn't get that yet."

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"No argument here."

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"So far I've been going consequentialist--totting up the damage done by the Doom and by the crime the Doom was punishment for and pointing out how much more of a negative effect the Doom has than the thing it's supposed to be punishing."

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"Think to the people who weren't Feanorians and were involved in the Kinslaying saying they didn't deserve the punishment feels like trying to minimize the wrong they did, and they don't want to do that."

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"Yes, because stewing in guilt is so productive. And of course only people who participated are going to suffer as a result of the Doom."

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"Public guilt reassures people you won't do it again."

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"Personally I would rather risk a repeat of Alqualonde than have the people between me and Morgoth be doomed to failure."

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"People don't see it that way. Killing Elves in self-defense seems a greater horror than the Enemy."

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"Elves."

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"Yup. 'Kinslaying' is a fascinatingly loaded word."

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"Can you unpack it for me?"

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"I mean, whatever happened in Nargothrond to the petty Dwarves wasn't a Kinslaying. If some Elves shot a whole tribe of Men like the Laiquendi occasionally threaten to, that wouldn't be a Kinslaying. It's Elves killing Elves."

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"I was assuming it was just self-interest and maybe a defense mechanism that had the Feanorians less upset about Alqualonde but they also were less--patronizing about my sister's and my humanity than Fingon was or I've been led to believe most Elves would be."

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"Think it's probably self-interest and a defense mechanism, plus the political sense to notice that patronizing you is unwise. And inexperience with humans so less occasion to have adopted habits of conduct towards them."

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"I guess. It would be nice if someone didn't think killing elves was worse than killing people with a less convenient resurrection mechanism."

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"Other way around, we die anyway. At least that's how everyone saw it until recently."

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"I can sort of see the logic since there's a Doom on and before me the dead were less than retrievable but now the logic does not work anymore because a new premise has been added."

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"And they did promptly offer your sister a kingdom. That's something."

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"It is, it's true."

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"I'm honestly pretty impressed, I wouldn't have expected them to do it."

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"I liked Fingon--Prince Fingon--when I met him. ...Not that that's saying much under the circumstances but I got the impression he has a good head on his shoulders."

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"I am very glad to hear it."

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"He's also close friends with one of the Feanorians. Maedhros, I'm pretty sure, which honestly speaks well of both of them in my opinion."

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"Prince Fingon's the one who rescued the lord Maedhros from Angband. When they hadn't reconcilated, after the Feanorians betrayed everyone."

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"And had to take his hand off to do it."

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"That would take - I'm not sure what the word for it is - they call him the valiant, you know, Fingon the Valiant, and maybe that's what it is."

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"The rescue, or the cutting his hand off part? I mean, I agree with you either way..."

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"I was thinking of the hand. The rescue I'd call stupid, except it worked."

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"Sort of like the attempt to keep the palantiri uncompromised by rescuing the one in Dorthonion? Because that was Fingon too. And Maedhros. And me for a little bit but when Thauron--Sauron? I'm not sure how I'm supposed to be pronouncing that--showed up Maedhros told me to run and I did."

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"I guess a track record of 'that seems stupid but you pulled it off ' might be what extraordinary competence looks like. He fought Glaurung, too, you know."

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"I don't know who that is."

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"Scary dragon? Word was you killed it..."

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"Ohh, that thing. It didn't live long enough to introduce itself."

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"Congratulations. Do you want us to call you 'the valiant ' too?"

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"Hah. I never got close enough that it could have touched me. I'm sure there are all kinds of more appropriate flattering adjectives if you want to give me that kind of appellation."

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"Dragon-slayer doesn't really even need complimentary adjectives attached."

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"I'm still implacably opposed to changing my name but I do not mind flattering nicknames."

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"Odette dragon-slater of what's-the-city-name. I like it."

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"Beth Miqlat. It mean 'house of refuge' in a language from our world."

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"I think your royal title should be "dragon-slayer".

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"I am concerned about setting a precedent to expect other princesses to slay dragons."

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"That's a bad precedent? Better than earning it by birth."

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"But what if there aren't any other dragons around to slay?" she asks innocently. "Besides, I'm the one with the dragon-killing skills, and Illia's the one with the running-a-city skills. They're not necessarily correlated."

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"Prince Fingon seems to do all right. But fair enough."

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"Well, he didn't actually kill it."

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"He did not! Oh, the city's lovely."

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"My sister is not an elf but she does like things pretty."

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"As she should! We don't have to let Elves claim prettiness."

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"Naturally. You should see what she came up with for our crowns."

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"I can't wait."

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"Don't have to, come to think of it."

Crowns! Pink star sapphire in gold etched to look like stems and leaves and thorns; Blue opal in steel circuit damascened to look like leaves ad stems and thorns.

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"Aaah! They're stunning."

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"My sister is good at what she does."

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"Reassuring, since what she's going to be doing is ruling."

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"Admittedly she has less practice at that than she does at making pretty gems. Did you know diamonds aren't even valuable back home? They're so easy to make."

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"Magic is pretty cool. And the Elves will take her more seriously, which really is a reasonable policy priority under the circumstances."

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"True. Not that she really needs the excuse. Do you want something pretty, I'm sure she'd be thrilled to make you some kind of advisory circlet or something."

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"Might send an odd message. I'll wait until she's got things more structured, I think."

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"Or, you know, something that's not official but just pretty. She likes making people things."

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"That I cannot think of a single reason to refuse. My Queen can make as many pretty things as she has time for."

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"I have no idea how much that'll be but that's her problem, not mine."

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"You gonna focus on blasting things?"

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"I'm going to focus on magic, most but not all of which is non-blasting things."

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"Fair enough. Running a city does not seem something you'd be unusually suited to."

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"I could probably do it if I didn't have overwhelmingly more important priorities but my primary talent in that area would be listening to people and not assuming I know better than them just because I have a nicer hat and chair."

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"You underestimate how difficult that is! The hat and the chair go to the brain, I think."

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"Sympathy magic usually goes to the brain too. The traits that make me so good a mage are also useful elsewhere."

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"Wouldn't resistance to Sympathy be a resistance to becoming excessively agreeable and non-difficult?"

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"Yes, it's not the Sympathy resistance doing this directly, it's--I don't really know how to describe the internal architecture of my brain. The reasons I'm resistant to Sympathy and the reasons I refuse to let these things go to my head are linked but I'm not sure how to describe it..."

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"I'll take your word for it. Internal difficulty to push around, or something?"

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"Something like that. Refusal to compromise my principles without a damn good reason, maybe."

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"It's a good trait to have."

And they land.

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Finally here, yay.

Odette explains the residential system and the warehouses and the fountains so people can acquire food, water and shelter.

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And people go about acquiring those.

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And once that's settled...

Odette glances at the sun and decides that she probably has enough time to go grab her sister, and if not she has enough time to go to her, spend the night and bring her back in the morning.

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They watch her fly off and wave.

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When she reaches Tol Sirion, she decides that it's late enough that it would be better to set out in the morning.

Hey, Illia, coming in.

(Odette joins Illia's thread here)