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"No, thankfully. Where I grew up it was very warm. The air carried a lot of water, you could cook on a black stone that faced the Trees, you could sleep without a tent or blanket..."

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"Then perhaps you are getting along fine in the absence of a sun, however odd it seems to me."

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"When we had the Trees, yes. Now we need a Sun, or something similar, because the Trees are dead and most plants don't grow under these conditions, which makes it hard to feed a city. And the Enemy likes the dark."

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"...Well. I cannot make a real sun but plants may like illusion light well enough."

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"...I expect they would. There are specific kinds of light they care about, I'll ask someone who knows things about agriculture. It's encouraging to think we can grow things on the other shore. That might even resolve -" he falls silent.

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"Resolve...?"

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"I'm concerned that if I muck up too much in explaining the situation we're probably going to encounter when we arrive, you'll decide it's not right to help us."

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"At bare minimum I will let anyone bring me a child to heal and heal the child."
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"That makes you the best person in this whole bloody mess, do you realize that?"

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"I'm familiar with the sensation."

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"So the people who left us here to die are on the other side. We haven't discussed it, but I think - I think Father probably wants to find them as soon as we've determined what we can do about the real enemy, and challenge his brother to a duel, which his brother would accept and which my father would win.

If we don't do that, I don't think they'll attack us outright but they'll be happy to let the Enemy do it, and alone and this weakened we'll be slaughtered.

If we go and - beg their forgiveness for whatever wrong we did in their eyes that justified leaving us to die, then they might give us food. I'm not sure. I think most of the people here would rather die than take that route. I'd rather die than take that route, but I can't choose that for the people under my command. But they want a fight. They want to take back the food that was stolen from us, even if it's now too late for that food to save our sisters and brothers and children. So -"
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"What exactly is the Enemy?"

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"Melkor. He's one of the Powers. He murdered our grandfather, destroyed the lights, captures Elves to enslave and torture and breed with other beings into his own races. That's why we left Valinor, because the other Valar won't do anything about him and there are people in the Outer Lands, and they can't stand against him for long."

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"That seems like a good reason to leave, if... not necessarily well thought out given your current combat readiness."

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"Thus the fight. The one in which I killed innocent people. We had everything we needed, we had a years' supplies, we just needed transport across the ocean. And the situation in the Outer Lands had yet to deteriorate as far as it has now - we expected to arrive as reinforcements for the local population, where now I'm afraid they've all been killed. And now we've used all our supplies. Anyhow, we begged for use of the ships, or aid in making our own, or access to their knowledge of shipbuilding, and they refused, because they thought defying the Valar in this was unwise. We were sitting on the shore, eating through the supplies we'd need for the journey and for establishing ourselves once we'd arrived, knowing that people were dying every single day, and the war was getting unwinnable -

So my uncle tried to steal some ships. And they fought back."
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"Of course," sighs Loki.

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"You say 'of course', but you have to understand - until Melkor murdered the King, no Elf had ever died by violence in Valinor. Until that fight, no Elf had ever killed another Elf. None of us had ever seen anyone die. We didn't - it was't even the sort of thing you think of as possible. It was unimaginable until it was already over."

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"...I see. Violence is more common at home - it seemed fairly predictable that if someone wants to leave a place and the boats and the information about how to produce boats are being kept away from them by others they might eventually come to blows."

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"My uncle was an incompetent diplomat. If he'd had the patience or the tact we'd eventually have found someone who would have been willing to explain how it's done." He shakes his head. "I'd like to believe it was inevitable, but it wasn't."

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"Patience is difficult under pressure, and from the sound of things it would be quite reasonable to worry more over the lives of persons outside of Valinor than within it among its rulers' favored. If theft seemed faster..."

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"And yet - the gods of the sea rose up in anger and drowned many of our host and many of the boats. The Valar Doomed us and our people to fail in every endeavor and meet our deaths on these shores. We committed mass murder on their shores! If you'd asked anyone how they'd react - honestly, it's astonishing they didn't kill us all on the spot. No, I don't think Fëanor was thinking that their deaths were worth it for the lives saved on the other side. I can't imagine even he'd be that ruthless, or that willing to provoke the Valar. I think he thought the owners of the boats wouldn't fight back."

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"Ah."

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"Anyway, fine for him to decide that he's willing to kill people for some larger plan. He didn't give the rest of us that choice. We just arrived on the scene to find our families being killed, and had to decide which side to jump in on -"

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"Sorry. He's also the one who abandoned us here. A lot of people decided, after that, that it was all his fault, the Kinslaying. I don't think so. I hate him, and I resent what he started, and if he'd been wiser or more capable he could have avoided it, and he's utterly undeserving of the title of King. But I don't think it was all his fault. I could have, and should have, stopped my people from joining in."

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