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"You would not particularly want to do this if it would possibly not work and leave them with an interesting weapon to analyze."

"I am, on further reflection, unsure that taking out Awaiting Consumption is much of a useful thing to do, unless there's some reason they wouldn't just distribute the production process over a thousand other places we couldn't all hit at once.  As it happens, you misunderstood my original question; I was asking if a very very very large nonmagical explosion would kill or at least wound Urgathoa."

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"It'd take them some time to get millions of humans again if their existing population was nearly all killed, and if they do it outside Urgathoa's domain, which isn't that large, it'd be harder for them to prevent interference. 

 

A very large nonmagical explosion would significantly wound a god only if they had made themselves vulnerable for some reason; by default gods have no physical form that can come to harm."

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"Any obvious shenanigans you could pull that would trick Urgathoa into manifesting physically, if she wasn't otherwise warned of what happened after that?  Actually, pause, how secure are we from Urgathoa listening to this conversation somehow?  I've been assuming in the back of my mind that you would've stopped me if we shouldn't be talking about this, but that was a stupid assumption not to verify out loud.  There was an earlier event making it deducible that Nidal or Zon-Kuthon had eyes on the place the Project was then located, as in, immediate and ongoing monitoring."

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"Urgathoa is not one of the gods who appears to possess particular capacity to surveil humans, which is costly to different gods to different degrees. She will not learn of this conversation through listening in on it, and she does not have an organized Church like that of Zon-Kuthon to carry out large-scale missions on her behalf. There are not obvious ways to trick a god into manifesting physically. They are cautious of it."

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"Talk to me about how Iomedae turned into a god and why there aren't another hundred of her to back her up against Urgathoa."

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"She ascended via the Starstone after becoming extraordinarily powerful during the Shining Crusade, as a paladin of Aroden. Most who attempt the test of the Starstone fail. None among our number have the power that she did at the point where she successfully ascended. We do keep trying, though, in case someone gets through."

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"Was Cayden Cailean very powerful at the point he ascended on what I'm told was a drunken bet?"

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"He was a talented adventurer but nothing like Iomedae. No one is entirely sure how He made it but it's part of why we keep trying."

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"So if this were Civilization there'd be a huge ongoing research project to figure out how the Starstone worked.  Is this by any chance totally not the case here at all?"

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"The magical protections on it also make it very difficult to learn things about. The dead don't remember anything. Iomedae cannot tell us."

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"Talk to me about the magical protections."

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"The Starstone is on its own island in Absalom, behind walls that divinations do not reach. When anyone is inside, no entrance is visible; when no one is inside, an entrance is visible, and you can fly right in. Teleportation in doesn't work. Summons vanish on entering. Animals which are sent die when they enter."

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"How'd that all get there?  Starstone - just appeared one day, with all that stuff around it?"

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"Aroden built it before He ascended. He said that his intent was that the worthiest could ascend."

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"Chickenshit.  That's not how anything works when you're fighting Urgathoa."

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"A reasonable objection. Aroden was Lawful Neutral, not Lawful Good, but still. And even if His intent once made sense, it's possible it doesn't now that He's dead."

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"Okay, look, considering the Cayden Cailean thing - and wasn't there a fourth person Norwhatever who became a god of crime? - Aroden must have had a really weird definition of 'worthiest', leaving out how dumb that is to do in the first place - for that matter, did either of the Cayden Cailean or Norwhatever events happen before Aroden died?  This whole part makes no sense.  And other things I've been told about Aroden didn't sound like he was generally nonsensical."

"Is there a research project aimed at taking down the protections around the Starstone so that proper research can be done to it?"

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"There is not. I don't know how you would do it; no one exits the island alive."

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"I don't mean to sound like a one-note song, but, really large explosion -"

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"It seems like a lot of things might go badly wrong if you tried to explode the protections around the Starstone. I - suppose we can ask Iomedae whether to go ahead, though."

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"Any idea what size of explosion it'd take to blow out the protections?  Or, for that matter, the maximum amount you could probably use without damaging the Starstone?  In units of, say, one million million times the energy to lift your hand from waist-height to head-height."

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"I am not sure that the protections could be destroyed by an explosion at all, and not sure if an explosion would destroy the Starstone, and if it would I have no idea what size of explosion would do it. At that scale you would just destroy the city of Absalom and kill millions of people. I think that this is unlike Awaiting Consumption not really a problem best solved with explosions."

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"Oh right, Absalom.  Somebody went and built a city next to it.  Great.  Okay, tabling that until we have enough money to pay them all to move out, I guess."

"Zon-Kuthon's afterlife, what does that take to fix now that Zon-Kuthon is sealed."

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"We'd need to defeat the magical protections on the walls and take the place block-by-block and kill or rescue everyone in it. Lastwall could do it with a hundred thousand soldiers, I expect. - we do not have a hundred thousand soldiers and those we do have are at the Worldwound or aiding in Nidal."

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"What's your plan on, like - treating somebody who's been in Zon-Kuthon's afterlife for a while?  I'd expect that to be an impossible strain on your resources.  Do you have a way to suspend - however many people are in there - until Golarion's future Civilization has the resources to take care of them?"

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