"But then I bet you won't pay me at all!"

"I could pay you to not tell me but I think I won't."

"Well, probably you won't think of it but maybe next time I think of a thing I could maybe help invent here I won't tell you about it at all, so there."

"...I will pay you forty eight circle coins to tell me if I have the same insight that makes it work or a different insight that makes it work."

"I don't have any idea how much one circle coin is worth, at least a fraction I can guess!"

"For that many circle coins, I could probably hire a wizard of carrying to make a machine go in circles forever, if I had a machine."

"- wow, then you'll probably have a huge head start on industrializing once you learn how. If you guess I'll tell you if it's what I'm thinking of, sure."

"So if you can do it with a wheel, the real problem with just having both pieces of cloth flat in a thing that holds them together and the needle spinning around to make the - thing that sewing is, the line that holds the cloth together - is that something has to hold the needle. I can... uh..." Dareni gestures horizontally with her left hand and then mimes holding a needle with her right hand. "I can hold this part," above the fabric, "and then this part," below the fabric, "but a wheel can't. You could have the hole in the needle be near the end and make it go like - " Dareni gestures. It's in fact the thing the needle on a sewing machine does. " - if something could catch the thread. Tiny bits of iron in the thread and a magnet bar and not an iron needle. Then just turn it and drop a second needle down through."

"- parts of that are close."

And here is a coin. "This is forty eight but if you want forty eight small ones I can give you those instead."

"I might later but this is convenient for now." It goes in her pocket.

"How do you make a sewing machine?"

"You were right about having the eye of the needle on the pointy end! And then you have a second thread, beneath, and you use that to catch the loop while the needle's down." She gestures vaguely.

"Hmmm. I don't know if I'm going to sell sewing machines but maybe I will." Shrug.

"It'd be a whole project to like, actually make them."

"Yeah."

"I think that's kinda true of all the - tech things, that I know about."

Shrug. "Something might still be worth it."

"Yeah. I dunno which ones because you're doing a bunch of stuff with magic and I don't know what magic can do."

"Magic... makes food plants grow more, makes things not change, makes things hot or cold, carries people and things between cities, lets us see and hear about things far away, makes buildings not burn, makes things clean, hides things, makes things not break, makes babies healthier, makes people not break laws..."

"Makes people not break laws?"

"It can make you not do things. We do it to people who kill people or steal things. Or people who can't learn not to do that yet, like babies."

"Oh. When do you take it off the babies?"

"When they can definitely follow all the laws. There's different ages because there's different kinds of people."

"I guess that makes sense."