That's not how anthropics works! It doesn't matter whether you were personally certain that you'd set up the suicide method properly, what matters is whether your sensory observations were compatible with a world in which you'd failed to set it up correctly.

An Ideal Superintelligence that looked at your observations prior to your death would conclude with an incredible degree of certainty that you were, in fact, going to die. In fact, it would conclude that most of the Celenes descending from you which continued to have conscious experiences must be in weird multiverses that contain things like isekaiing.

...Or at least, this particular Celene now has a bunch of anthropic evidence in favor of the assumptions underlying this line of argumentation. We, having not ourselves experienced death, have a ton of different schools of thought on the details here. We're mostly planning to just cryonicize everyone anyways.

"I did tell you, but under the circumstances totally valid you missed it. I'm Summer."

What does Summer think is going on? I mean okay it's totally an elaborate prank but she wants to play along so assuming it isn't that.

How does a girl end up with this set of beliefs? Maybe she was, like, gaslit from birth? But then what's up with the weird thing she had about not being sure how she knew Eifweni?

Okay she's tired of guessing she's just gonna ask more questions. "...Tell me about your life in Seattle, a little?"

Well, still, Earth is weighted so much more heavily than-

Wait, actually, she has no reason to think that's true anymore. She used to think that was true, back when she was having conscious experiences on Earth, but she has no reason to think that is the case. Discovering herself to be here, and not in a hospital room, should be a significant update. In fact, since she was apparently created ex nilho here, she has no reason to think that Earth is a real place at all.

If she was using the anthropic argument, that is.

Her head hurts.

Wait, is she still wearing the same clothes she was when she died?

What do you even mean by "real place"?

(She's wearing the same clothes she was on Earth, except now with a new grey sweatshirt on overtop of them. Her clothes didn't stand out that much.)

Oh gods, Summer wants to know personal details about her life. What does Celene even tell her. There really isn't anything she could say that would not be incredibly revealing/concerning.

Let's see.

"I am... unsure of how much it is appropriate for me to share. Hmm.

I only recently turned 18, and I was studying to be a computer scientist- 18 is the age of majority where I'm from, it might be different here? I know that many European countries have different ages of majority."

This is technically true, if a bit misleading.

"I had some friends I liked talking to online, some I hung out with in person.

I-"

What does she even say.

"...What is an 'age of majority'?"

"The age at which you are legally considered an adult?"

"...'Adult' isn't a binary legal category? How would you even..."

"Ok, so in the United States specifically," she'll gesture to the middle section of the American subcontinent, "which is the country Seattle is a part of, the majority of rights associated with adulthood are gained at 18, although there are some exceptions. You can begin driving (operating motor vehicles) at 16, although until you turn 18 there are some restrictions associated with it that I don't quite remember. You can't consume alcohol until you're 21, and there are some things that only expire at 25 although I think most of them are privileges that are not typically granted to adults. You can legally work for monetary compensation at 14.

When you turn 18, however, you can vote, have sex, and are no longer under the control of your parent or guardian. At the same time, your parent or guardian is no longer responsible for you and no longer legally obligated to provide shelter, medical care, education, food, etc. I think that's the main reason why the category of 'adulthood' is generally regarded to begin at 18? It's a very significant change, generally speaking. Oh, and mandatory public education also tends to end around that age. 

I guess it's technically true that starting at age 16 you can request legal emancipation if you can prove that you have your own income, manage your own finances, and are willing and capable of living apart from your parents."

Summer now has additional questions.

"Well. Okay. Where to begin. Let's table the question about why you would make specifically the middle section of North America a political unit for now. I think most, say, 14 year olds can be trusted around cars, but like whatever. The alcohol thing is kinda weird but I can see it I guess."

"You... cannot... work... until you're 14? Why not? No one has sex until they're 18? You can't vote until you're 18? Doesn't not allowing a population to vote mean... okay actually I guess that sort of explains why the rules are like that."

"Uh. But the part that really concerns me is the 'control of your parents or guardians' bit? What, exactly, do you mean by control?"

Wait, what?

Huh. She was worried about talking about her personal views on this issue. If Summer, and presumably all of Nucleus(?) is sympathetic to this view, then perhaps she could share more about her life?

"So the age of employment thing is because back in the day, there were a lot of children working hazardous jobs in factories, and the concern was that parents would push their children into being employed, instead of going to school, and so they made it illegal. Except for children working in the entertainment industry, because it's important for child actors to exist, and also children working in agriculture on their parent's farms, for... I don't actually know the reason for that one, I assume it's a grandfather clause. Oh, and also parents can just force their children to work for no pay anyways.

The sex thing, well, in Washington State which Seattle is a part of the age of consent is actually 16, there are typically laws where you can have sex with anyone within a 4 year age range and while Washington doesn't have it it age of consent laws aren't commonly enforced in these cases. It's considered a form of rape for someone to violate these laws, though, where the older person is the one punished for it, typically.

I agree that it's very suspicious that the class of people who have significantly fewer rights under the law also have no say in how they are treated under the law. The general worry is that children are easily influenced and would be pushed into voting for whoever their parents tell them to vote for. 

There's also a line of thought where children don't have the same amount of stake in society as adults do due to their diminished role and thus should not be making laws when they can't properly appreciate the impact. This also happens to be the same line of reasoning used to defend only letting property owners vote a few hundred years ago, before that was overturned.

So the obvious objection is 'Well it seems like most of the problems here comes from the authority parents have over their children,' and I'd agree with that."

She sighs.

"If it wasn't obvious, I don't have the same views on this as the rest of my society does.

So when- It is very difficult for me to explain this part from a neutral perspective.

The framing that would typically be used is:

When children are born, they are assigned 1-2 legal guardians, this is typically the genetic parents but not always. These guardians are responsible for looking after the welfare of the child, providing basic necessities, and protecting the child. To this end, they must often make decisions that are in the child's best interests but that the child may not want. For example, they might make a child get vaccinated, even if the child does not want to be, or to take bitter tasting medicine for a disease. Parents must establish structure and routine for their child, look out for their education, and teach them important life skills."

"To this end, parents must sometimes," Probably 'physically assault' is not the language they would use, "uh, to this end, parents are responsible for disciplining their child, and are granted the legal authority required to do so. This is all in the best interests of the child's safety and wellbeing, which is why when children attempt to leave the household without their parent's permission, they can send the poli- Ok, I'm starting to slip out of the neutral tone, my apologies."

"Yeah, uh, fuck the neutral tone, what the hell is wrong with your society? Sure, kids occasionally need to be forced into something, but you can't just give people the right to force them to do work and stuff???"

"Like, sure, before good legal systems were established, you often saw parents forcing their children to do things because no one could stop them? But like... did you guys just never fix nonconsensual slavery in general?"

Why do you think I died?

She's not actually going to say that, she has no idea what this place's right to die views are.

Uh, stronger evidence towards psychosis, probably? If she's transported into a society where everyone magically agrees with all her views, then that's more likely to be a delusion than something else.

"It had a lot of problems, yeah. We do have an agency for removing custody of children in cases of child abuse, but in my experience it is not very effective and doesn't really care what the child thinks about it.

I think in general the complaints of children are not taken very seriously? The argument is generally that children need to be taught life skills through experience, and that also they have an obligation to contribute to their household.

We... well, what do you mean by 'in general?' Even back when slavery was legal, it was still only legal to enslave certain types of people, and not others, so I don't think that would qualify as 'in general' based off of the context you are using? They'd only enslave noncitizens, or those captured in war, or in the more relatively recent notable cases it'd be based off of skin color. Or gender, arguably.

It's still legal in the US to enslave people who have been convicted of a crime, although I think that's not really used in practice? Mostly they just pay them very little for their labor, but I'm not an expert on the topic.

Children are arguably enslaved, oh, and non-human animals too, technically.

And of course slavery still happens as a crime although generally 'slavery' is used to refer to an institution and the criminal act of kidnapping someone for the purposes of extracting labor or other resources from them is referred to as 'human trafficking.'"

(Wait, did she say nonconsensual slavery? That seems like an unnecessary qualifier.)

(Is Celene sure she wants it to be an unnecessary qualifier?)

I-

Shush.

"Yeah uh. A lot of the details there are. Very concerning. I'm beginning to suspect I'm unqualified to say much on these issues other than 'wow that sure sucks.'"

...She's still pretty sure it's a prank. But she's becoming curious to see how far the prank holds up under scrutiny.

"Anyways. You're coming up with enough details on the fly here that I'm starting to find 'psychosis' to be a pretty unconvincing hypothesis? I don't know how psychosis works but surely not like this. Do you have any particular thoughts for how we can, like, verify whether your story is real? In principle we should be able to record you saying a bunch of things and then closely inspect how well it coheres..." Wait, she should be recording this conversation. She was so stupid why didn't she realize that sooner. Oh well. She pulls out her phone. "...Actually, is it okay if I start recording this conversation? Not swearing any oaths unless you really insist, but I intend to get your permission before just posting it on the internet or anything like that."

Hmm.

That does seem pretty risky, given that she didn't make any promises about it, but Celene is sensing the general pattern here and can guess that "oaths" imply something significantly stronger than "promises" did on Earth.

Still, better safe than sorry. For all she knows, she could be suffering from psychosis and accidentally give a full confession of her entire life story.

"Sure, but I will in fact insist that you promise to keep it confidential unless I give you permission to share it."

"I... okay I'm gonna start recording now and then I will just delete it if we can't come to a satisfactory agreement here." She does so. 

Summer's seen fiction about contacting civilizations that don't have as much Law, so she's not flying completely blind here. "So like, there's this whole formal rigamarole I can do if you really insist, I suppose the situation calls for it. I've never broken an actual formal oath, almost anyone else here could say the same. But really most of the time I prefer to just, like, bet at 215:1 odds about it? I'd offer to do that but you don't, like, have money?"

"Actually you know what I guess the part where you give me money isn't actually that important. How about I agree to give you, like... a week of my wages, if I fail to get your permission?"

She pauses a moment.

"No, this doesn't actually help much when the monetary incentive to break the agreement is this large. Well. Is my seriously considered assurance good enough or do you want to actually do the formal oath thing?"

"My main consideration is whether I'm still in Seattle and experiencing a severe delusional episode, I don't want to give permission to a hypothetical doctor to... well, actually given how confidentiality laws work in my society there's not really much point. Sure, your assurance is enough."

Celene observes she isn't feeling that bad right now, which is good. Well, it's not particularly unpredictable, being engaged in an interesting conversation with a novel person generally does that to her.

"Okay, great. Where were we... any ideas about how we can verify your story?"

"My story being that I'm... from a different version of Earth, apparently?

I don't think that's really possible to prove? I could give a bunch of information about what I remember and you could confirm that this information is entirely plausible but many people are very good at making things up."

"Nah, no way. The hypotheses have got to make meaningfully different predictions somewhere. Probably like a DNA test or something has to be possible? Or like... I dunno. I feel like having a bunch of experts scrutinize you really closely would be pretty uncomfortable but I'd expect them to come up with a reasonable answer at the end of it."