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"They'll clamp down harder if we start disappearing and the bodies start piling up and the trash doesn't get taken."

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"We have robots that could do your jobs. But we won't give them to any governments unless you all want to leave and there's a stable transition plan worked out."

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"It's hard to get unanimity on anything."

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"Understood. We're hoping we can make more people interested in leaving by describing some of the options available if you choose to."

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"And what are those?"

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"The planet I live on is called Endorë. We have eight different countries signed up to take refugees; they'll give you citizenship, provide housing, make sure everyone in refugee placement communities speaks your language, help with integrating and finding jobs, and pay for resurrections should anybody die. In all of those countries, every citizen gets a monthly stipend sufficient to cover living expenses; people can choose to work if they please, but the idea is that no one in a world as rich as ours should have to fear they'll go hungry or lose their home if they can't find work. All of those countries do meet the standards Tapa is having trouble with, the standards for consortium membership, which include no police violence and no laws which apply only to a subset of citizens - so there couldn't be any laws specifically about what reds can do, all law has to apply to everyone."

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"How do your police work if they don't use violence?"

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"They can stun people. The formal rule about police violence for consortium membership is that police have to wear cameras, there has to be judicial oversight of every single police use of force, excessive use of force by the police must be prosecuted as assault or if relevant as murder, the state has to pay for the medical expenses or if necessary the resurrection of anyone harmed by their police, and if incident rates exceed three per million citizens per a length of time approximately one of your seasons that triggers sanctions. In Endorë it doesn't come up because no one has suffered injuries from a confrontation with the police in decades."

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"This sounds a little too good to be true, I hope you realize."

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"We can take people for visits if you'd like."

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"That'd help."

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"Do you have any ideas about what else might help?"

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"Do you have a way to stop the authorities if they decide to go ahead and wipe us out?"

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"Tapa's authorities? Several. And if people died before we found out about it we'd resurrect them."

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"How does that work?"

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"Resurrection? The reason our society is so rich is because we know a world of aliens who can create arbitrary matter - so, anything that you can describe reasonably well and that is material in nature. This ability of theirs doesn't work on people - which is probably a good thing, because some of them might make people for personal amusement. Instead if they try to make a person they get someone who looks normal but is brain-dead. And we have some other, separate people who can wake those people up with all of their memories. if you know someone who died and you want to witness a resurrection I can arrange that."

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"I'm forty, I know plenty of dead people. We'd be here all day."

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"They do thousands in a batch, but I don't know that bringing back a lot of dead reds before we have anywhere to put them is a good idea. Usually people settle in and they have an arbitrary-matter alien make them an exact copy of their old friend's house and then they apply for a resurrection once they have friends and family and somewhere for the person to go."

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"You have enough space for this many people?"

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"The whole population of reds on your world is like 65million. That's a lot more than the population of my country but it's not really that many in the grand scheme of things, and we colonize new worlds whenever we start to feel like we're getting crowded."

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"I don't think you'll have much trouble selling all this to most people if it's real, you'll have some holdouts who like their work or have non-red friends on the Internet or something. It'd help if you could get on our Internet from there."

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"It would for complicated reasons be easy to check your Internet from Endorë but not vice-versa, so their friends couldn't hear from them as easily. We still have medical dissections, even if people don't die enough to sustain a funeral industry, and I'm sure some people could keep their jobs."

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"Their line of work is different from their job."

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"Okay. If most reds leave and the ones who remain vote in favor of the existing legal system so Tapa can join as a member, I suppose they might be all right with that?"

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"I don't think even the holdouts would tend to vote for what we get if we could vote."

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