Yeah, probably. She's not giving them up, because they are hers, but the point's acknowledged.

Principles aside, we will need more resources than the two of us alone can conjure to properly analyze the workings of the Ourobouros. And this conflict is deep enough that until it is ended, neither side will spare us them.

No, they wouldn't, would they. She'd sigh, if that wouldn't make it more obvious that they're conversing than it already is. Occlus can have the mental impression of a sigh, instead. I still want to try to use the power of friendship diplomacy to end it, but I'll have to make sure we have the proper supplies guaranteed through it.

The Admiral is not lying about the extragalactic threat or its perceived scale. He may yet be mistaken, but it is something to bear in mind.

Are you doubting my insatiable and preposterous desire to fix the galaxy? I don't want to break the future just to get back to the - past, I suppose it is now. There's a hint of muted sorrow coming through the bond, despite the levity in her phrasing. She shoves it aside soon enough, anyway.

Even without the morals, it would leave me open to potentially becoming a casualty of the invaders. Which, screw that.

Just so. Approval filters through.

What do you make of this Skywalker? 'Last of the Jedi'.

Not sure what to think, really. There's a lot of what he's done but not a lot of what sort of person he is in the datacards. I'm sort of inclined to sit him down and have a chat, if he's one of the less, uh. Zealous Jedi. Because if he's just going to call her evil without at least having a conversation, she might be tempted to exterminate the Jedi and go found a better Force user system.

I would be interested in that as well. A Jedi that killed an Emperor. I wonder if he is like anything like the other one.

If we and he are indeed the last of our respective Orders, now may be an appropriate time to consider whether it would be wise to continue to propagate them.

Callida recalls her first meeting with aforementioned Jedi that killed the Emperor. You'll forgive me if I hope he's a bit less belligerent. The poor cereal bowl didn't deserve its treatment.

If anyone could make something sane and reasonable out of the Sith, it would be us. But I'd be worried about attaching whatever we make to the name Sith; it might open up prospective students to thinking certain teachings are allowed. I can't imagine that the galaxy's as free of Sith artifacts as it apparently is of Sith. Have a single eager student trying to earn some extra credit and taking an interest in archaeology, and then they find a Sith holocron and think 'Oh this is for me'... She mentally shrugs. And then it all spirals from there.

And my library has probably been scattered to all corners of the galaxy by now, containing the knowledge will be difficult... Easier to make proper respect for and treatment of infohazards a basic component of the new order.

Oh, certainly, I'm just considering the tenets we'd want to teach students, and the ones they'd get from studying their 'order's' history, and uh. The history of the Sith's a bit too murdery for my taste. Especially when a major part of being a Sith is about killing your teacher. Which Callida has always thought was completely and utterly insane. Callida has never had any notions about killing Occlus and usurping her position, and is pretty sure she literally never will, because that sounds fucking insane. She's worked hard to not be one of the crazy Sith, she'd like to keep at it.

Most of them deserve it. But, yes, I see your point. Occlus did kill her teacher, but she would be regretful if Callida forced her hand the same way. That will never happen, of course. Her apprentice is eminently sensible.

There will be no way to escape the fact that the history of the Sith exists, any students should be assumed to come across it eventually. But if they do not consider themselves Sith when they do so... Yes. It would be best to divorce ourselves from both orders if we are making such changes.

Yep. Unfortunately, because of this, we must think of a catchy four letter word to describe a third group of Force wielders. To fit the theme. She doesn't particularly think she wants to take the name 'Jedi' either, considering that history.

...scrap it all and start over. We'll stay Sith.

It's a good thing Callida has gotten pretty good at composure, because otherwise she might be tempted to laugh or crack a smile.

And now we learn of our true enemy. Naming things.

It is, thankfully, an enemy we can safely put off confronting. We have more immediate ones. Speaking of which, you have a list to make for our new friend the Grand Admiral.

Ah, yes. I do. Do you want to help with it, or is there anything we should discuss before I get to working on it?

You will do fine. If you develop questions, you may come to me with them.

Yep, thanks. Callida sends the impression that she would give Occlus a hug if Occlus would at all appreciate it, instead of just tolerating it with a mild amount of irritation, and then switches her meditation to one that helps with memory enhancement, to get to making the list.

Occlus breaks her trance entirely, and gets out the historical datapad. She wants more information about the fall of the Jedi.

Elsewhere, Grand Admiral Thrawn glances up from reading reports on Mount Tantiss to look at Pellaeon.

"Captain, I'm curious of your impression of our two honored guests."

"They're... not exactly what I was expecting, sir."

"Were you imagining that I would bring another coming of Darth Vader aboard your ship?"

"I don't have any other references for Sith behavior, sir."

"I am not reprimanding you for your caution, it's well placed, I merely wish to understand your perspective on the matter."