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"...words are made out of sounds."

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"Except when they're made out of marks or gestures, sure."

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"...yeah, okay. So how do you say a word without saying any sounds -"

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"I'm making noise, you wouldn't be able to hear me talk if I were magically inaudible, but I'm not making coded noise."

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"So if I wanted to teach you a new word for a concept you were unfamiliar with, how would that work -"

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"...then I'd know how to express the concept."

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"I would say a collection of sounds. Would your ability to learn that collection of sounds be mediated by whether I understood it - or whether it actually truly meant that in some sense -"

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"I'm not really paying attention to what sounds you're using."

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"If I say the same word in different languages do you hear the same thing -"

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"Probably? I'm not sure I'd notice."

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He turns Allspeak off. He says 'computer' in every language he speaks and then looks up a few he doesn't and says it in those languages too. "Those all sound the same?"

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"Mostly, yeah."

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"Mostly? What are the exceptions? What about false cognates between languages -"

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"They're sort of nuanced differently - I think you could probably get most of the same effect with tone of voice alone, if you wanted? - what's a cognate?"

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The French for a mythological heroine after which a planet in Warp is named is the same as the Quenya for 'downfall'. He says both words.

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The Bell can tell which he's referring to because one of them is a name and the other one means "downfall".

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"They're the exact same set of sounds - the only difference is what I had in mind when I said them - what if I wrote them both down on pieces of paper and then mixed them up and then you read them, would you be able to tell which one I was thinking of when I wrote the characters even though the characters look identical -"

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"Probably? I don't pay attention to exact lines any more than exact sounds."

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He makes sheets of paper with both in the tengwar and both in the Roman alphabet and offers them to her.

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She can in fact distinguish them.

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"So your translation magic encodes meaning at the time of creation and gives you that - what if someone else tells me the word and I write it down without knowing which they mean, and then you read it -"

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"I don't know, I - last talked to a mortal years ago and we didn't try that."

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"Do you know where that mortal is?"

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"Probably dead by now if she's lucky."

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"Can you send me a mental image -"

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