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The Valar announce that they've done as much as they can in Singularity (they can't bring back peoples' babies in that critical period either, but they can get them earlier versions) and are setting up portals between there and Sanity as soon as they are confident they've cleaned up the plague. A bunch of Elf architects have this wild idea for a fivedimensional city where alternating intersections are interdimensional portals between various Valinors and they get eagerly to setting it up.
dismissal
Yeah, Minor's world of origin is a bit behind the times. And he doesn't think that all of its children should be taken away and raised in Revelation.
What discourse even is there about slavery? It's horrible and Hazel will have to stop it immediately.
In Godspring they bought everyone out and then went around with demons drugging people who still hadn't released their slaves. There were a couple hundred deaths across the whole world, he thinks, and all but two had an afterlife. He thinks the Elves think they erred on the side of being too slow.
This seems like a good occasion to tell the story of how Alatess decided the Elves were going too slow and recruited a former leader of a slave uprising and equipped him and nearly caused a war but got a lot of slaves freed immediately.
...no, she just equipped Clerus and then supplied them while they were hiding out in a cave system. Are people just incapable of believing that demons might object to slavery for the same reasons they do?
... it is universally understood that sometimes when there's an unsafe binding or a emergency summons demons do not do any horrible things, right? What is the prevailing theory for why that is?
alicornucopia
The demons don't always notice loopholes and sometimes they're scared of the GCP or waiting for a better opportunity.
"...that's probably a nonzero part of it but a larger part of it is that most demons don't want to murder people for the same reason most humans don't."
" - do you believe that humans who grow up with abusive or neglectful parents all turn out to be murderers?"
alicornucopia
Well, not all of them, but people are much better now than they were when it was common to hit children. (Child abuse discourse!)
It seems likely that's because trauma is bad, not because parenting is the only way to acquire morals.
alicornucopia
They probably don't want them as neighbors even if they don't all go in for murder. They might, like, attack people's housecats.
- it'd be kind of funny if the civilization that produces people who cannot live in harmony with other species or people from other backgrounds is 2180. Maybe everyone else won't want to live with people from 2180 because they're so closed-minded and xenophobic because of their harmful upbringings.
" - look, if you haven't figured it out by now - people are people. Some of them do horrible things to cats and some of them beat their children and it is perfectly reasonable to discriminate against people who do those things, the problem here is announcing that even if someone has never done anything wrong, if they're a member of a society or a species that you've heard a rumor does bad things, then clearly they want to do bad things and are just biding their time, and no amount of not doing bad things could possibly convince you that they don't actually want to.
By all means don't live next to people who light cats on fire for fun. But if you could not even in principle be persuaded that someone hasn't done that and won't do that, then the bad person is you."