Lúthien in Rewind
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His people were really worried for him.

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...it sounds like you have probably already thought of the obvious comments on that. Anyway, I'm not endorsing Default Raine's life choices. They're fucked up. But she's mostly sweet and even in loops where she has a crush on me she's never tried to wish I'd fall in love with her.

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And it's not like anyone deserves to turn into a witch just because they like girls, especially if the girl didn't even like her back.

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Especially?

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I mean, even if she had done something wrong she wouldn't deserve to be a witch, but she didn't even do anything.

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I'm not sure I follow you.

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I guess if you've never heard of the Valar no one might have said? Like at Cuivienen no one'd told us? Girls aren't supposed to sleep with girls, you're supposed to just wait and get married. To a boy.

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It was really hard on a lot of people when the Valar told us.

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Is this an opinion you are sufficiently committed to that I should not argue about it.

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I am not really the person you'd need to argue with. If you want to come to my world and go argue it with the Valar after we've figured out how to stop the Enemy maybe they'd listen to you. Probably not though. 

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...I mean, where I'd start would be, 'okay, so somebody powerful told you that, why did you then proceed to believe them'. But I am capable of dropping it.

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They created the world, they know everything about it, even lots of things that are way beyond our understanding like how the stars stay in the sky and how to bring back the dead. If they say something it's likelier that it's beyond our understanding than that they just decided it with no reason. Also if two girls sleep together they don't get married and if a boy and a girl do, they do get married, that's just a fact.

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...by 'married' what are you referring to?

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...the soul bond?

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Humans don't have that.

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Really? Weird. It's supposed to be nice.

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It actually sounds kind of creepy to me, but at any rate we don't have it regardless of participant gender. Also, we know how our stars stay up, and the evil aliens know how to bring back the dead because that is a thing a wish can do but they're still, you know, evil aliens, and the thing they want us to do is have fuel-grade emotional whiplash between wish and witching so they can use us to stave off entropy, but the fact that they also have access to some information about resurrecting the dead doesn't make what they want right or even vaguely okay.

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No, it doesn't. The Valar are usually right though so when they don't make any sense it's likelier there's a reason. The Noldor might even know what it is, we kind of declined to learn things from the Valar.

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Isn't your mom, like, pals with the Valar? Or was it more of a purely professional world-creation-choir arrangement?

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They haven't communicated anything to her in hundreds of years. She tried to reach them when the war started, and only heard from them later that Valinor'd been destroyed and they were protecting it and the Sun and Moon. I guess she could ask them 'why is sex only for marriage does something bad happen or is it just wrong' but if she could get a question to them I think she'd go with 'how can we tell if an escapee of Angband will go crazy and stab everyone'.

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Not an unreasonable priority. But humans don't have the soulbond thing, or Valar, or a general sex-before-marriage prohibition that is built into anything except cultural scaffolding about wanting to avoid unplanned children, and here, thinking it's wrong for girls to sleep with each other - or boys - is associated with a memeplex that props up a lot of abuse and violence. I am sure you do not mean to sound like the sort of people who I am sometimes vaguely worried may throw rocks at me, but - if you wind up picking up English, you might not want to tell gay people they should stop that, or they will expect that you are the sort of person who would throw rocks at them.

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I'm sorry if I scared you. I'm not going to throw rocks at anyone. It should have occurred to me that just because it's wrong for us doesn't even mean it's wrong for you.

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You didn't scare me, I've got a fairly thick skin and time-stopping powers, just advising you on interacting with others. I'm not sure I want to just claim human exceptionalism on this one and have done, the Valar sound kind of dubious to me, but I guess it'll do for the moment.

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It'd be nice if they were wrong. About us. I just can't decide they're wrong because it inconveniences me.

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