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In Which Korvosans Rally & The Dead Envy The Living
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All this tells us is that they're being possessed by moderately competent demons with an unprecedented supernatural ability - itself hardly unprecedented.

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Well, in that case, can you please clarify how it's possible to be both Chaotic and Good? Wait! Let me finish. I know that, in theory, the two are unrelated. But in practice the largely-Evil Hellknights are a force for Good!

Look, unicorns are allegedly Chaotic Good aligned and that works fine for them because they're savage forest animals. But we live in a society. We need Law to keep us from trodding on each others' toes!

It's Good when contracts will be respected without enforcement, and, failing that, good when contracts are enforced! Even if a given contract is bad and a better legal system would have banned it (or, as some Abadarans of my acquaintance would have it, even if a better legal system would impose a tax). 

It's Good when people give their word and keep it, and it's Good to shame people who break their solemn oaths! Even though a given oath might be foolish and regrettable. 

It's even Good when people are Lawful in little ways - when people are predictable in their habits, I can rely on them without fear, instead of, say, learning from the slavey that they took off on a boating trip for the purpose of recreation and won't be back in a week. I'm not saying that no one should ever have any fun, I'm just pointing out that it's harder to avoid having fun in ways that inconvenience others than you might naively expect. Enjoying yourself is suspect, not verboten.

It's Good that everyone obeys when the Lawful government decrees stupid and aggravating things like that the Green Market in Southshore close at 4 p.m. all days save Fireday, because even though this was pretty much the second worst possible way to handle that dispute, the worst way would have been leaving us to bicker indefinitely. 

The Law speaks and all obey it, instead of pursuing their own interests or even pursuing their own consciences, and this is Good, because an imperfect peace is better than a perfect war!

I'm not defending Nidal, or even Infernal Cheliax. I can see why, if you pursue Good in Nidal without bias for Law or Chaos you'll end up Chaotic.

But in Korvosa? It seems to me that to be Chaotic is to make yourself an Evil foe of the peace

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Ileosa has always held in contempt Korvosans who feel the need to preface "Infernal" to Cheliax and this bawling baby is no exception. Also, that was a very long-winded way of stating the dead obvious. 

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This is an excellent objection!

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...Is it? To me it comes across as a long string of bucket errors presented in rapid succession.

(But then, that's alignment debates in general, innit?)

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I saw Alive-iya Madd walk into an antimagic field, which should have ejected any interloper unless Alive-iya is being possessed by Andirifkhu, in person or by astral projection, under the protection of Her own wishcast mind blank. Or unless - 

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Or unless the demons are invisible, and selectively immune to divinations, possibly by way of exiting their hosts ahead of any spells they want to spoof - 

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- or unless that, sure. I can't rule out the possibility of mind-blanked demon wizards of a breed unknown to science, or something in that vein. Nor, in fact, can I dismiss the dread that Andirifkhu is here with us in the Vault; there are gods intent on this place. As I am not, in this moment, prepared to force a fight with a demon lord or 8th-circle demon wizard, I intend to see what I can learn through simply watching before I escalate to more probative measures. 

If there are demons, and those demons are content not to fight me for as long as they don't know I know they exist, I'll avoid learning that they exist - or avoid learning it in ways they could notice.

I'd probably use my prepared limited wish on a commune (although I would like to keep it reserve for an emergency, after spending all my scrolls last night) if it weren't for the houserule in this thread that emulating a spell with limited wish doesn't reduce the casting time if it's longer than a standard action. (And if it weren't for the hole in the rules apropos who it is exactly that a commune contacts if you're not a cleric and don't have a god.)

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Hmm, well, Lyvina Mayyad at the least isn't possessed by a demon with mind blank; I checked just now with life sight. Do you want me to check the others?

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Please don't do things like that without warning me over telepathic bond first.

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Can life sight see incorporeal creatures?

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Yes. 

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Delmore, what was your plan for if there had been a mind-blanked demon wizard - likely, as I am, spellbuffed with permanent see invisibility - sitting there with eyes open to see you activate your life sight?

I shouldn't have brought you in on this.

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I'll be the picture of corrigibility going forward. 

 

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It's true.

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Bluff = 1d20+8 = 21

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To your excellent objection, I'd say: if you break a rule and that makes things worse, you've done a great job of being chaotic but a pretty lousy job of being good. 

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Then what use is Cayden Cailean in a civilized world?

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Friend. I say this with love in my heart.

This is not a civilized world. Y'all are barbarians. 

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Are we now. Which of our Laws do you think people should break, then?

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Where's your +8 bonus to bluff coming from?

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Maximum investment across eleven wizard levels. That's eleven skill ranks, baby - read 'em and weep.

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Sense Motive = 1d20+19 = 33

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